Led Zeppelin took from other musicians just as virtually everyone else did. Except where Jake Holmes was concerned. They flat out mugged that man. Led Zeppelin apologists are ridiculous when saying "they made it better" implying that its ok that they took another man's work. Imagine being okay with, say, car theft because someone put on brand new tires, a new engine, and gave it a beautiful paint job.
Not every one realizes that "Boogie With Stu" is really a cover or at least a reworking of Ritchie Valens song "Ooooh, My Head" It is credited to "Mrs Valens" which is odd, he was only 17 when he was killed in that plane crash and he wasn't married. I think maybe they were referencing his mother?
I fucking love Led Zeppelin the more i hear and learn about them. I think its just about love and music. Thats all. And sharing. Thats life @@LouiePlaysDrums
They did the same with Memphis Minnie as she was dying in a Louisiana care home when they recorded 'When The Leavee Breaks' and the royalties kept her in the home until she passed. Nobody mentions that either. Page wrote 'Beck's Bolero' and gave it to Jeff. The rest you are saying is bullshit. How Many More Years is not How Many Mire Times. LedHed Pb 207.20 🎶 🎸 🎹
@@TJRtheOriginal thanks. Sounded great for 1929. I wondered why they don't give credit to Kansas Joe McCoy also 🤔 I have the original CD release of Led Zeppelin IV and I hear slight distortion just passed 1 minute in on the track "Four Sticks" . I think I need to get the 2014 remaster.
Great video. I wonder what Hendrix would have thought of Led Zeppelin from the fourth album to In Through The Out Door? Heck, my favorite album of theirs is Physical Graffiti!
Regarding the Rolling Stones - On most original copies of "Beggars Banquet", the song "Prodigal Son" was credited to Jagger / Richards instead of Robert Williams. However, this may have been a mistake made by the record company when they changed the cover from the original by the band which they found unacceptable.
Music is meant to be shared. You think blues artists didn’t heavily borrow from each other?! Please. Anyone is free to try and copy Led Zeppelin too… good luck.
Funny -- I was just watching Prince do "Whole Lotta Love" live in 2002. I know this argument: "Robert Plant made liberal use of Willie Dixon's lyrics, therefore Jimmy Page is the world's biggest copycat." Never made sense to me, but I have ears.
This framing is disingenuous. *Blues* was a posthumous release from 1994, not an official band effort. The back of the CD also gives credit to the songwriters for the covers, which Zeppelin didn't until they started receiving lawsuits Zeppelin definitely put their own spin on the songs they covered, as did Jeff Buckley for the covers featured on *Grace* , though Buckley credited the original songwriters. It's an issue of accreditation, not of who influenced who Even if it were, taking influence from another artist =/= reworking someone else's song without crediting the original artist(s), as though they wrote it themselves
@@spec-fict There are a couple of "reworking" songs "Catfish Blues"/ "Rollin' Stone" are similar to his "Voodoo Child". And "Lover Man" is indeed a re-write of "Rock Me Baby". Interestingly, Jimi Hendrix had covered "Catfish Blues" and "Rock Me Baby" earlier on. There's also "Red House", which borrows from both John Lee Hooker and Elmore James. And I'm sure there's others. But none of these, except maybe "Lover Man", are way too close to the originals. Also, Jimi Hendrix didn't release "Lover Man" in his lifetime. He may well have credited B.B. King, as well as himself, had it been his call.
You are correct. I was thinking about another video and made a typo....then I cut and pasted the typo LOL....and then the rest is internet history LOL.
@@TJRtheOriginal that’s cool, no problem. It did catch my eye, though. I was thinking, why would Jimi hate the Beatles? He played Sgt. Pepper 2 days after the album came out. lol
True thats rubbish that Hendrix hated Zeppelin ! I've read that he gave very positive remarks for them and particularly Bonham with the power he played with.He was impressed.
That is what you call thinking about another project while I was doing the finishing touches on UA-cam.....Not everyone, but a lot of people know that Zeppelin Stole a handful of songs. What is news is the revelation that Hendrix felt that way about them back in the day.
Honestly this ‘ Led Zeppelin stole my song’ Is such bullshit. It’s certainly true that a few of the Led Zeppelin songs were strongly influenced by other tracks for which they didn’t pay royalties for them at the time, but they did in the end. But of course, an entire generation of black musicians played each others songs and never paid any royalties either. None of which diminishes the fact that Led Zeppelin wrote stupendous full original material. Including the great rock song ever. The whole point of Led Zeppelin wasto be the ultimate performing rock band, which they were. If anyone doesn’t get that I’m sorry for you but that’s the fact. As an expression of musical brilliance theres never been a band their equal nor never will.
On the very first pressing of "Led Zeppelin 1" back in January '69, thru all the album's re-printings and re-releases over the decades, "You Shook Me" was ALWAYS credited to Willie Dixon and J Lenoir. It was a cover song. There's no law preventing Zeppelin from creating their own arrangement of this blues song. The people who griped that Zeppelin "stole" this from Jeff Beck are ridiculous. Beck didn't write the song either, but nobody said he stole it! This is just one example of people holding Led Zeppelin to a different standard than they hold to other groups at the time. I suspect it's because Zeppelin was such an overnight success story (even though each member had paid their dues in other outfits up to that point). In any case, Zeppelin's version of "You Shook Me" is superior in both performance and production, and I can also say that about all the other songs they allegedly "stole."
I feel they were merely influenced other musicians, however, they flat out robbed Jake Holmes. Also, my copy of LZ1 credits only Willie Dixon for "You Shook Me".
@zlonxman : You are correct they did credit Willie Dixon on that one. And that was a poor example that Hendrix gave and not one that I will defend....but (and as I said in the video), Page didn't credit the use of The Hunter by Albert King and How Many More Years by Howlin’ Wolf in their track How Many More Times….Page outright stole Dazed and Confused from Jake Holmes. the original credits for Led Zeppelin II (1969) didn’t credit Willie Dixon’s original lyrics for You Need Love, nor did it credit that The Lemon Song was a re workin of Killing Floor by Howlin’ Wolf and that Bring It On Home was a cover of a Willie Dixon song. Yes, you can cover a song but you have to credit the original writer and pay the proper renumeration). They also never acknowledged Blind Willie Johnson for Nobody’s Fault But Mine. Doing it the right way one time does not make up for doing the wrong way all those other times.
Most of the songs LZ "borrowed" were given totally different arrangements and formed into something new. However, "You Shook Me" sounds extremely similar to the Jeff Beck Group version. I was stunned by the similarity when I first heard the JBG after knowing the LZ song for years. Of course, they did credit the authors of the song for this one, but the arrangement by the JBG could be said to have been stolen.
I really don't care to much for Hendrix. He has mediocre songs at best. Zeppelin is the greatest. I'll take Zeppelin every day of week and twice on Sunday.
Black dog, which was on LZ IV was taken from fleetwood mac's oh well. Page also stole directly from Bert Jansch guitar tunnings and his renditions of the folk ballads "she moved through the fair" And "Blackwaterside". And named each one something differnt so the "steal" was real.. He Is a plaguerist there is no hiding it he knew what he was doing.... The band was shameless Today with all the info and algorithms on the internet they wouldnt have made it by pub band level.. But being the manipulates that they were. They most probably wouldn't even have tried it anyway ... Well not to such a blatant degree... Probably
@@Slotnikoff it was not the tuning I making the point on. It was the actual rendition of the exact tunes/songs using the exact same tuning..... That was the point.
This is an old ridiculous argument. Zep played a few covers over the years, just like any band. For most of those covers, Zep used some of the lyrics but changed the songs so drastically, without the lyrics, you'd never be able to recognize the original. Go listen to the originals: When the Levee Breaks, I'm Gonna Quit You, and Nobody's Fault But Mine, just for a few examples. Then listen to Zep's renderings of those songs. Night and day, so let it go.
This is such a petty argument against Zeppelin All rock music stole from blues and jazz music before it! Zeppelin’s catalog is filled with songs based off blues and even British folk songs but they make it their own All good artists steal
First of all, I have never agreed with or liked the expression "All Good Artists Steal".....but that is a topic for another day Second: It's one thing to take influence but Jimmy outright stole either entire songs or what could be called a considerable portion of a song without giving credit (not to mention renumeration). That crosses the line.
The information age? No, the indoctrination age. All of led Zeppelin's interviews gave credit to who they admired growing up. John Paul and Jimmy were both studio artist... What does that mean? ?? Well they worked with a lot of bands, and their notes 🎶 were on a lot of bands albums.😅
Honestly this ‘ Led Zeppelin stole my song’ Is such bullshit. It’s certainly true that a few of the Led Zeppelin songs were strongly influenced by other tracks for which they didn’t pay royalties for them at the time, but they did in the end. But of course, an entire generation of black musicians played each others songs and never paid any royalties either. None of which diminishes the fact that Led Zeppelin wrote stupendous full original material. Including the great rock song ever. The whole point of Led Zeppelin wasto be the ultimate performing rock band, which they were. If anyone doesn’t get that I’m sorry for you but that’s the fact. As an expression of musical brilliance theres never been a band their equal nor never will.
Led Zeppelin took from other musicians just as virtually everyone else did. Except where Jake Holmes was concerned. They flat out mugged that man. Led Zeppelin apologists are ridiculous when saying "they made it better" implying that its ok that they took another man's work. Imagine being okay with, say, car theft because someone put on brand new tires, a new engine, and gave it a beautiful paint job.
Exactly! That is pretty much what I always say in response to this.
Killing Floor - also used by Otis Redding in "Tramp" then borrowed by The Blues Brothers in "Messin' With the Kid"
One that never gets mentioned is trampled underfoot which is basically the same as the dobbie brothers long train runnin, relesed just a year earlier
Not every one realizes that "Boogie With Stu" is really a cover or at least a reworking of Ritchie Valens song "Ooooh, My Head" It is credited to "Mrs Valens" which is odd, he was only 17 when he was killed in that plane crash and he wasn't married. I think maybe they were referencing his mother?
Mrs. Valens was Ritchie Valens mother. Led Zeppelin gave her songwriting credit so she could receive all the royalties from the song.
I fucking love Led Zeppelin the more i hear and learn about them. I think its just about love and music. Thats all. And sharing. Thats life @@LouiePlaysDrums
@LouisPlaysDrums: I found this interesting article on the subject: faroutmagazine.co.uk/led-zeppelin-song-credits-ritchie-valens-mother/
They did the same with Memphis Minnie as she was dying in a Louisiana care home when they recorded 'When The Leavee Breaks' and the royalties kept her in the home until she passed. Nobody mentions that either.
Page wrote 'Beck's Bolero' and gave it to Jeff. The rest you are saying is bullshit. How Many More Years is not How Many Mire Times.
LedHed Pb 207.20 🎶 🎸 🎹
"When the Levee Breaks" was written and recorded way back in 1929 by Memphis Minnie and Kansas Joe McCoy.
My CD of the album gives credit to all four of the band members & Memphis Minnie . I always wondered who that was.
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here is the Memphis Minnie version ua-cam.com/video/WSlt8-fmvas/v-deo.html
@@TJRtheOriginal thanks. Sounded great for 1929.
I wondered why they don't give credit to Kansas Joe McCoy also 🤔
I have the original CD release of Led Zeppelin IV and I hear slight distortion just passed 1 minute in on the track "Four Sticks" . I think I need to get the 2014 remaster.
Well the two version sound nothing alike, but Plant uses MM's lyrics, so a cowriting credit is in order.
@jessejordache1869 : You hit the nail on the head!
Yikes!!
I hear it now!
And yet ....🎉
Really interesting stuff. I'm also familiar with why they can be disliked, but still love the music anyway.
Me too!
Great video. I wonder what Hendrix would have thought of Led Zeppelin from the fourth album to In Through The Out Door? Heck, my favorite album of theirs is Physical Graffiti!
One of my favorites too.....If not thee favorite.
TJR, i just got done listening to Physical Graffiti just before watching your video. It's the first time i ever heard it too .
Rock on! Did you enjoy it?
@@TJRtheOriginal - for the most part , I did enjoy it ! I have 1, 2, 4 & Houses of the Holy on CD.
Regarding the Rolling Stones - On most original copies of "Beggars Banquet", the song "Prodigal Son" was credited to Jagger / Richards instead of Robert Williams. However, this may have been a mistake made by the record company when they changed the cover from the original by the band which they found unacceptable.
You are correct. It was the label who incorrectly credited it Jaggar and Richards
Music is meant to be shared. You think blues artists didn’t heavily borrow from each other?! Please. Anyone is free to try and copy Led Zeppelin too… good luck.
I think ? ......
Funny -- I was just watching Prince do "Whole Lotta Love" live in 2002.
I know this argument: "Robert Plant made liberal use of Willie Dixon's lyrics, therefore Jimmy Page is the world's biggest copycat." Never made sense to me, but I have ears.
Picking on Zeppelin for "appropriating black culture" at that time is a bit like picking on children for liking candy.
Anyone who has the Jimi Hendrix comp "Blues", knows that he also borrowed from many blues singers. Especially John Lee Hooker and Buddy Guy.
This framing is disingenuous. *Blues* was a posthumous release from 1994, not an official band effort. The back of the CD also gives credit to the songwriters for the covers, which Zeppelin didn't until they started receiving lawsuits
Zeppelin definitely put their own spin on the songs they covered, as did Jeff Buckley for the covers featured on *Grace* , though Buckley credited the original songwriters. It's an issue of accreditation, not of who influenced who
Even if it were, taking influence from another artist =/= reworking someone else's song without crediting the original artist(s), as though they wrote it themselves
@@spec-fict There are a couple of "reworking" songs "Catfish Blues"/ "Rollin' Stone" are similar to his "Voodoo Child". And "Lover Man" is indeed a re-write of "Rock Me Baby". Interestingly, Jimi Hendrix had covered "Catfish Blues" and "Rock Me Baby" earlier on. There's also "Red House", which borrows from both John Lee Hooker and Elmore James. And I'm sure there's others. But none of these, except maybe "Lover Man", are way too close to the originals. Also, Jimi Hendrix didn't release "Lover Man" in his lifetime. He may well have credited B.B. King, as well as himself, had it been his call.
Hey Joe, i mean Jimmy.
TJR, the video description says ‘Hendrix hated the Beatles.’
What is that? That’s not the subject of the video at all.
I think he may have had the Beatles on his mind for some other video when he wrote the title
You are correct. I was thinking about another video and made a typo....then I cut and pasted the typo LOL....and then the rest is internet history LOL.
@@TJRtheOriginal that’s cool, no problem. It did catch my eye, though. I was thinking, why would Jimi hate the Beatles? He played Sgt. Pepper 2 days after the album came out. lol
LOL. Very true!
Hendrix played a lot of covers. Hey Joe!
And he also didn't slap his name on those cover as if he wrote them. Recording covers is not what Jimmy Page gets criticized for.
Yeah 'Spirit', who stole from 'Michelle' by The Beatles, for their intro to 'Taurus'.
and tried to claim a simple progression was copyright
This is just click bait. Hendrix didn’t hate Zeppelin; they played blues like him.
True thats rubbish that Hendrix hated Zeppelin ! I've read that he gave very positive remarks for them and particularly Bonham with the power he played with.He was impressed.
I think you meant Hendrix hated Led Zeppelin, not the Beatles.
Think that's what's called ye old click bate.
Everyone knows LZ stole to a ridiculous degree that ain't news to no one
That is what you call thinking about another project while I was doing the finishing touches on UA-cam.....Not everyone, but a lot of people know that Zeppelin Stole a handful of songs. What is news is the revelation that Hendrix felt that way about them back in the day.
You are correct. It was typo...and then I cut and paste the typo. Then I took a nap, and then I noticed the typo LOL
Honestly this ‘ Led Zeppelin stole my song’ Is such bullshit. It’s certainly true that a few of the Led Zeppelin songs were strongly influenced by other tracks for which they didn’t pay royalties for them at the time, but they did in the end.
But of course, an entire generation of black musicians played each others songs and never paid any royalties either.
None of which diminishes the fact that Led Zeppelin wrote stupendous full original material. Including the great rock song ever.
The whole point of Led Zeppelin wasto be the ultimate performing rock band, which they were. If anyone doesn’t get that I’m sorry for you but that’s the fact. As an expression of musical brilliance theres never been a band their equal nor never will.
On the very first pressing of "Led Zeppelin 1" back in January '69, thru all the album's re-printings and re-releases over the decades, "You Shook Me" was ALWAYS credited to Willie Dixon and J Lenoir. It was a cover song. There's no law preventing Zeppelin from creating their own arrangement of this blues song. The people who griped that Zeppelin "stole" this from Jeff Beck are ridiculous. Beck didn't write the song either, but nobody said he stole it! This is just one example of people holding Led Zeppelin to a different standard than they hold to other groups at the time. I suspect it's because Zeppelin was such an overnight success story (even though each member had paid their dues in other outfits up to that point). In any case, Zeppelin's version of "You Shook Me" is superior in both performance and production, and I can also say that about all the other songs they allegedly "stole."
I feel they were merely influenced other musicians, however, they flat out robbed Jake Holmes.
Also, my copy of LZ1 credits only Willie Dixon for "You Shook Me".
@zlonxman : You are correct they did credit Willie Dixon on that one. And that was a poor example that Hendrix gave and not one that I will defend....but (and as I said in the video), Page didn't credit the use of The Hunter by Albert King and How Many More Years by Howlin’ Wolf in their track How Many More Times….Page outright stole Dazed and Confused from Jake Holmes.
the original credits for Led Zeppelin II (1969) didn’t credit Willie Dixon’s original lyrics for You Need Love, nor did it credit that The Lemon Song was a re workin of Killing Floor by Howlin’ Wolf and that Bring It On Home was a cover of a Willie Dixon song.
Yes, you can cover a song but you have to credit the original writer and pay the proper renumeration).
They also never acknowledged Blind Willie Johnson for Nobody’s Fault But Mine.
Doing it the right way one time does not make up for doing the wrong way all those other times.
Most of the songs LZ "borrowed" were given totally different arrangements and formed into something new. However, "You Shook Me" sounds extremely similar to the Jeff Beck Group version. I was stunned by the similarity when I first heard the JBG after knowing the LZ song for years. Of course, they did credit the authors of the song for this one, but the arrangement by the JBG could be said to have been stolen.
When the levee breaks is also another cover that they mastered. And they always gave credit.
No. They did not always give credit ua-cam.com/video/efuOELImxAc/v-deo.html
I really don't care to much for Hendrix. He has mediocre songs at best. Zeppelin is the greatest. I'll take Zeppelin every day of week and twice on Sunday.
Black dog, which was on LZ IV was taken from fleetwood mac's oh well.
Page also stole directly from Bert Jansch guitar tunnings and his renditions of the folk ballads "she moved through the fair" And "Blackwaterside". And named each one something differnt so the "steal" was real.. He Is a plaguerist there is no hiding it he knew what he was doing.... The band was shameless
Today with all the info and algorithms on the internet they wouldnt have made it by pub band level.. But being the manipulates that they were. They most probably wouldn't even have tried it anyway ... Well not to such a blatant degree... Probably
Did not hear any resemblance to Oh Well in Black Dog. Completely different.
"Black Dog" was inspired by it. Not the same thing as a rip-off.
You can't "steal" a guitar tuning anymore that you charge a guitarist for theft if he or she holds a pick the same way another musician does so.
You can't steal drop-D tuning any more than you can steal open-G tuning.
@@Slotnikoff it was not the tuning I making the point on. It was the actual rendition of the exact tunes/songs using the exact same tuning..... That was the point.
This is an old ridiculous argument. Zep played a few covers over the years, just like any band. For most of those covers, Zep used some of the lyrics but changed the songs so drastically, without the lyrics, you'd never be able to recognize the original. Go listen to the originals: When the Levee Breaks, I'm Gonna Quit You, and Nobody's Fault But Mine, just for a few examples. Then listen to Zep's renderings of those songs. Night and day, so let it go.
Nobody sounds like Led Zeppelin. Not even close.
You mean like Plant's vocals? You think he was totally original? I think you need to listen to a lot more music.
This is such a petty argument against Zeppelin All rock music stole from blues and jazz music before it! Zeppelin’s catalog is filled with songs based off blues and even British folk songs but they make it their own All good artists steal
First of all, I have never agreed with or liked the expression "All Good Artists Steal".....but that is a topic for another day
Second: It's one thing to take influence but Jimmy outright stole either entire songs or what could be called a considerable portion of a song without giving credit (not to mention renumeration).
That crosses the line.
@@TJRtheOriginal and who wrote eric claptons Layla - hint it wasn't eric clapton or Jim i'm a psycho murder Gordon
The information age? No, the indoctrination age.
All of led Zeppelin's interviews gave credit to who they admired growing up.
John Paul and Jimmy were both studio artist...
What does that mean? ??
Well they worked with a lot of bands, and their notes 🎶 were on a lot of bands albums.😅
ua-cam.com/video/efuOELImxAc/v-deo.html
Honestly this ‘ Led Zeppelin stole my song’ Is such bullshit. It’s certainly true that a few of the Led Zeppelin songs were strongly influenced by other tracks for which they didn’t pay royalties for them at the time, but they did in the end.
But of course, an entire generation of black musicians played each others songs and never paid any royalties either.
None of which diminishes the fact that Led Zeppelin wrote stupendous full original material. Including the great rock song ever.
The whole point of Led Zeppelin wasto be the ultimate performing rock band, which they were. If anyone doesn’t get that I’m sorry for you but that’s the fact. As an expression of musical brilliance theres never been a band their equal nor never will.