California Tweed / Fillmore Series Comparison
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2020
- On the fence trying to decide between our California Tweed and Fillmore Series? Watch Doug West and Kris Dilbeck walk us through these traditional voiced amplifiers, sharing a variety of tones and essential features that may help you determine which amp best suits your needs. For even more on where we’ve taken these vintage-voiced amps, please visit us at mesaboogie.com!
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I give this demo bonus points for using a lot of chordal playing vs the typical endless pentatonic blues noodling.
Kris is the real deal. Total player.
Amen to that! I get very tired with "demo videos" really being all about showcasing someone's need to show how many notes they can play and how fast they can play them...ugh.
I concur. Chords express the character of the amp
The boomer is heavy in this comment
@@firemarshal2629 boomers ( folks born after World War II through 1964) are notorious noodlers.
My goodness, what a refreshing demo. It's rare to have a demo where the guy doesn't play as many notes as possible.
Mesa boogie makes amazing amps and has the best customer support, amazing people. Thank you mesa team!
I so much agree with customer support. When I was looking at getting my S O B they gave me great advice about these amps but did tell me it ain't that high gain stuff Rectifers are know for which is exactly what I was looking for. My favorite amp would be a hot rodded Fender style. Even a Rivera amp. But didn't run into 1 of them. When I got my S O B I couldn't found anything better. Wood and wicker, 100w ,all the options. And pretty cheap for an awesome Boogie. These sound pretty damn great too. Let's just hope Gibson doesn't screw up a great amp line.
Doug West.. !! You look that young in 2020 ? Excellent you've got a long way to go thank goodness..at least another 25 years before retirement. : )
Awesome video! Really handy for helping me dial in those tones with my new Cali Tweed!
Kris Dilbeck has become one of my favourite guitarists, I love these demos!
I agree, his demos are always really terrific.
Thanks. Never understood the differences between these amps til now.
terrific playing from Kris! Love my Fillmore 50. Really want to pair it with a Cali Tweed.
Mesa never disappoints. Such beautiful amps!
WOW that California Tweed sounds absolutely amazing!
Bought a Fillmore 2x12 cabinet and the R2 on my Mark IV really came to life on it.
Damn good pickin Bro! Loved that jazzy/blues/Hammond organ sound and vibe on the first solo. 👍
Ah amazing I get asked this quite often so now I know where to direct people!!
Purchased a Cali Tweed recently but unfortunately had a single bad 6v6 tube. Support put me in touch with Kris on my issue, and he was extremely helpful. A new set of 6v6s were sent promptly to me which solved my issue. Thanks to Kris and the Mesa team for the support! Awesome product, fantastic service. I look forward to my next Mesa which will most likely be the Filmore.
That super jangly intro sounds so great, glad they made an amp for more than just metal heads!
Jordan Peterson sure plays great guitar
Right? Who knew John Cleese was such a looker too!
Plays great guitar, and ONLY eats meat. ❤️
Definitely the lesson to be learned here.
And David Soul is an accomplished amp tweaker
I wish the Fillmore came out years ago... I bought a used simul class mark 3 back in 2014 and I love it.
I had a simul-class mark iii red stripe. One of the best amps I've ever owned.
Great playing Kris.
That tweed is one of the best looking (and sounding) amps I’ve ever seen. 🍁🍂🍂
Fillmore is amazing as well wow!
Love that Filmore amp!! Reminds me of Robert Crays tone
Love the Fillmore
sounds terrific
I have a California Tweed. I run a Wampler Mini Ego, Tumnus, and Xotic RC boost pedals in front of it with a Strymon Brigadier delay in the effects loop. Sounds amazing. I ride the gain knob depending on the song at our gigs. This works very well. Wonderful amp! I mostly play a Schecter USA Custom PT as my main guitar. Its a great match with this amp. :)
Finally got my Fillmore!
Dang I was really sold on the California Tweed until I heard the Fillmore 50! What is super versatile amp that just has such an organic sounding breakup and distortion2 it. My only complaint is that just so damn expensive! I presently own a tone king imperial mark one that I absolutely love and would love to pair it with one of these amps running stereo! That would be glorious!
Amen
Bought a Mark V in April. Boogie amps are the beat. USA made 👍
Sounds very good. I like it a lot.
I'd love to have both of these, and run them in stereo with an AB switch for combining the two, or running them independently with separate signal/effect paths. I believe that would be an outstanding combination.
I love the tube rectifier setting on my dual recto. I wish these amps could switch to a tube rectifier.
Ok this video basically answered my volume question with the Badlander. I just saw a pinch of volume increase bring this thing up loud lol saw Doug's face right after. It seems it's a normal thing.
Fillmore for the win! But jeez... smile Kris!!!
great demo! monster player!
Personally I watch any demo video that has Chris playing... flat out amazing player and great person to demo your amps! I also play Tele's and his examples are fantastic!
I have a Mesa TC 50 watt heas. It sounds great with a Stratocaster as well as my LP version made by Kiesel-(which blows away Gibson. The prices are very good, when considering all the bonuses Mesa gives you . I love the fact the there is an FX button on the floor switch.
Agreed
Kris’ tele is magic.
A friend has an original Princeton that was modded by Randall.
I noticed that for your dirty tone at the end, which as killer, the tone knobs were ALL well below noon. This is so counter-intuitive for most players, but I've often found that you have to think really different with mesa amps when it comes to settings. On my Mark V, most of my best sounds have all 3 knobs slightly below noon, and for awhile I thought I was crazy... but if anybody knows how to do it, it should be Doug and Kris!
Best amplifiers in the world ! 100% American hand made quality 👌
I bought the Cali Tweed 4:40 a year ago and have no regrets.
Kris is tha Man! Soulful playing... And please give me this Tele!!!
Fantastic demo of a gorgeous sounding pair of amps! Can someone tell me this - Does the Fillmore have much more clean headroom than the Cali Tweed? Said another way, is the Fillmore able to maintain super cleans in a band setting? I came up playing a Mark IIB combo through the 80s and 90s so I'm really spoiled when it comes to clean headroom. I realize this 50 watter isn't going to compete with the Mark IIB 60/100 available headroom, but would love to find something that gets me in that territory.
Have and love my Mesa California, but long for some nice drive like the Fillmore. California Tweed is very versatile as each wattage setting sounds and feels like another amp. What Mesa drive pedal would you recommend to give you similar amp driven lead tones in front of a Mesa California Tweed?
I want one of each!
I really dont understand why mesa doesn't have more videos of their products as this one. videos with good quality helps a lot when looking for an AMP and why not a mesa boogie.
I bought the Fillmore 50 head version first, enjoyed it so much that I had to get the 25 head version also! Great, versatile amps!
Could you help choosing 50 or 25? difference or particularity of each one? thanks mate
Why not just use the 50 in 25 mode? Just curious
Eddie Huante 6L6 on the 50 and 6V6 on the 25 version
Hi...How do you like the Filmore so far?
There’s a big difference in the 25 and the 50. The 50 is wider and has some other differences. The 50 sounds a bit fatter or basey and more compressed in my opinion.
I like your amplifiers
Especially the Tweed Calfornia and the Filmore Series
Any of these I want to have by my side always.
I'm from São Paulo Itaquera / Brazil
do you guy plan to make the Triaxis again ? it would be very cool !! like an update triaxis with sounds like the jpc2 , mark V etc ? thank you!!
That's some DAMN good playing
Similar to the Mark V:25 that has 2 channels with 3 mode for each channel, it would have been interesting to have a Cali-more version to have the 3 modes of the Fillmore in the second channel and have the first channel with modes of the Cali-Tweed, with multi-watt for each, maybe reduced to 3 choices only like 40/20/2w so it could be on a 3 position toggle switch. I know, a lot of people like simple amp with basic functions, but I personally like Mesa boogie amps because of the Mark V (I used at the studio) and the Mark V:25 (for home).
Great demo. Just curious why the Cali is about $800 more expensive in Australia? as from this demo it seems it has less features than the filmore which seems to do the Cali sound and more but is cheaper!?
Thank you for this demo!
Can you comment on how the shallower cabinet dimensions in both the CA Tweed and Fillmore impact the bass signature of these amps? I'm wondering if the deeper cab of the Lone Star, for example, fosters a larger bass sound? And by comparison, is the shallower cab of these two amps more lean & tight in bass frequencies? Thanks!
I have a Fillmore 50. No problem producing more than enough bass for my needs. Just IMO.
Sempre mto top
Abracos e bends
Great demo, but man Kris looked ready to growl like a bear! 😂😨😐. Appreciate Doug's good mood as usual!
Would you say if you stuck a blackbird speaker in the Fillmore and put it in Clean mode, it would sound very siimilar to the Tweed? Recognizing some different tube wiring options on the Tweed, but...Seems like one of the biggest differences in the sound between the two combo amps is just the speaker, the Fillmore having the C90 and the Cal Tweed having the Jensen Blackbird. And of course the Fillmore has the two additional gain modes, and two channels.
Are those Brooks Ghost shoes that Doug's wearing? Love those shoes! I'm a big fan lol.
I've had one of these amps for two years now and I've yet to be disappointed. I have it clean on ch 1 and I use a Mesa Grid Slammer for a little over drive. Then I'll flip over to ch.2 where I have the drive. It's great to go from super clean to drive. I can go to the high gain what I can do is kick on the Grid Slammer while in ch 2 for a more saturated overdrive. That tone is similar to using the high gain circuit. It's a great amp and had the umph I need w/o needing a big amp. I may get an extension cab for more sound..........or I may not.......
That Fillmore amp? Thats a Mesa Boogie Amp i could buy. That thing sounds Amazing
In person they sound noticeably different from each other! Never been a fan of bluesy-circuits like Blues Deluxe or California, but the Fillmore can do pretty much everything quite a bit better. JUST MY TASTE but my local music store pals tended to agree
The Filmore has brought me back to using Boogie. Keep the secret of the small OP transformer a secret 😉 Just the right amount of iron. I do miss the “Solo” feature though.
Clean boost in the FX loop can solve that pretty easily :D
I love mine. Changed out the stock V1 12ax7 with a NOS (probably not absolutely New) US made Tung-Sol I got off eBay. Took me a couple of tries to find the right one, but now it plays, sounds, feels like the Blackface of my dreams.
@@MEDiumInc That’s a great idea!!!
@@MEDiumInc I have the Fillmore 25 head on the way. If you put a boost in loop, would you use the boost's buffer or turn it off? I'm using the Fender Engager Boost and I can run it either way. Thanks for any tips.
They all sound a bit better when pushed a bit. I am in love with my TC 50 watt head. Mega versality. The price is great for all that is provided. I can not imagine buying something like a DR.Z or some of the "Botiqu" stuff. he great thing about many of the mesa amps is no reverb pedal or over drive really required. That is 200.00+ right there.
Which pedal was used with the Telecaster? 6:37.....Great sound.
Mesa amps are killer. Already owned Dual, Triple, TA30, and Mark IV. Can’t wait to buy Fillmore and play it through my iRig HD.
You must have a huge wage, Lucky you ! :')
what crunchy pedal would you guys suggest for the Tweed? I know, it's personal taste but: some of you have a real favorite....thanks!
Just when I think, man, great vid, but I wish they'd show off amps with different guitars... they whip out the Les Paul then the Strat. I've got a '04 Road King but you know I almost don't care what Mesa amp you gave me, I'd be able to a learn a bunch from it. I always like the minimum of talk in an equipment demo and this is a pretty good vid by that measure too. I've got 20 guitars and if I got a tattoo of a brand it's more likely to be Mesa than Fender or Gibson :-D
Hi, are you still making amps for Europe? For once I have some money to get a new Mesa , but nowhere in EU has them anymore.
Great video guys, I have a question though. Where does the Lonestar fit in the "clean/traditional" range of Mesas? Is it closer to a Cali Tweed? Was it supposed to be a take on a D-style amp or a Twin/Super Reverb? Was it a completely new design? Every time i hear a Lonestar (especially the 100w version) it just blows me away. Definitely one of the best clean amps in the market.
I would also be curios to learn more about how the Lonestar compares to these. I actually have a Lone Star Classic, I love it, people often describe it as a twin on steroids but it can do so many different things, 10W-50W-100W, tweed lower voltage option and tube rectifier sag and a very nice low gain drive channel (it is the ultimate "transparet" drive, if you want it to be). Based on the videos, I think it is more similar to the Fillmore and that is why I am leaning more towards the Cali as it would bring in a new flavor.
Lone Star was intended to get fender blackface cleans in one channel (recognizing they gave some additional tweakability to it) and MK I tones in the second channel.
Would be a lot closer to the Fillmore but still different
The Lonestar is a much darker sounding amp.
Why don’t you guys demo 100w Fillmore 100 head with 2x12 cab
HI, thanks for the good review , question > Mesa/Boogie Mark Five or Mesa/Boogie California Tweed 2:20 for santana tone ? or should i say closer ?
Whao Amazing
The tweed sounds much darker than the fillmore. I haven't played many actual tweed amps from the era, but I have played a few tweed bassmans including an actual vintage one. Those sounded much livelier and percussive to me than the clips I've heard of the Cali tweed. Though the bassman is hella loud, and not near as portable as the Cali tweed, I'd rather have one of those. The fillmore sounds nice though. I think it might be more versatile an amp for most players in 2023.
Sounds really good man
Can't find the fillmore 50 in Europe... seems to be discontinued. Tried o buy one from a US shop... they can't ship to Europe it's apparently forbidden by Mesa... on top ofit we use 220v and US use 110v... too bad...
I played the Fillmore and tweed.
I love the tweed, sounded amazing at low volume.
Fillmore seemed to have more mids.
My goodness that Fillmore sounds good...
The Fillmore 50 is the best amp I’ve played to date. Still rolling up my nickels.... some day... some day...
lonestar classic would wipe the floor with a fillmore
Sounds 👍
50 years of tweaking and building amps!! I’ve got to try a California tweed…
I see the Royer, but is the second mic a Heil Pr30?
I like it
What's the cost? Fillmore and Cali Tweed?
Can anyone tell me how the master volume affects the tone on the Tweed? Since the "attenuator" also affects the tone, I'm hoping the master volume can boost or reduce volume without much impact to the tone. Thanks.
Great sounding amp, I played one at GC today and the Filmoore. I actually liked the Fillmore better but they are def different sounding amps. Great playing too, very bluesy.
The REAL question remains. Why has no one commented how much Kris looks like Rick Grimes?? Holy cow 😊😊
Is the ill-fitting gray t-shirt part of the uniform at Mesa?
😂 these guys are electrical audio engineers not fashionistas
Dam think the Fillmore is the way to go
the 50w fillmore combo is the way to go......that and the Mark V 100w head and cabinet.....................period.
Makes my phone speaker sound amazing
The Fillmore sounds smooth and musical all the way. The tweed thing stops sounding musical when driven - then it just sounds harsh.
🤟
Before Haight, Fimore, Sausalito, Monterey or even LA surf. Before any rocker picked up a strat or an LP.. Before you started wetting the bed. Before PAFs. There was Gibson and Gretsch, and they were hollowbodied electrics. And there was rock 'n roll, rockabilly, jazz, swing and nothing else. And without gretsches and gibsons thru fender amps, you'd still be listing to the Tennessee Waltz. So, if it's true Mesa and Gibson are now 2 peas in a pod, then after 55 years, put down those solidbodies and prove an amp is once again voiced to handle a hollowbody. Thank-you.
Okay. Black Filmore Fiddy did the trick. The other amp can take a rest now.🙂
I still don't know if the California Tweed can play clean at volume, because it seems as though they were always pushing it to that edge of breakup sound. How about showing some versatility if the amp has it.
Looked like they had the master down super low. I'd imagine with 40 watts on tap it should keep up fine.
Shick...The boogie Gillette...
What if i want one side california one side Fillmore 🙂
I know, right??
Exactly what I was thinking
@@RambleTone call it CaliMore
Nice amp, but you can get a similar sound from a Mesa Boogie Marv V 35's clean channel with a tube screamer type pedal. This amp seems like more of a one trick pony than the Mark V.
I’m just now starting to research Mesa boogies that past few weeks and is it fair to say that Mark V pretty much does all this and more ?
@@fattymatty2x4 it’s much shorter to list what the Mark V can’t do. It covers really everything. Just takes the right player.
Nice to hear Mesa moving beyond their high gain roots a bit.
I miss Kris’s porn ‘tache. Great playing. Love Mesa. 👍🏼
MONSTER tones out of this Tele/Mesa. I´m amused.
I am looking at the Tweed but asking anyone why would someone choose the Tweed if the Fillmore has 2 channels and an overdrive where the Tweed is just 1 channel?
Tweed uses 6v6 while the Fillmore(50 and 100) uses 6l6 tubes, different sound, the Cali is voiced thicker for more tweed style breakup with more mids while the Fillmore is more like a blackface, more scooped, really different sounding. (plus some of us just want one simple great sounding channel to work with pedals😉)
I like the California Tweed, however it’s too bad you did such a wide head. I wish it could be a more narrow head so we could have it on top of a Vertical 2x12” cab with the Jensen Alnico speakers. It’s always good to have all at normal height and not have to bend over to the floor to adjust settings. And Vertical 2x12” cabs are also great for sound projection. My 2¢
Hey Phil - A California Tweed should fit a 2x12 Vertical cab just fine. The California Tweed Head is 22 3/4" wide while a 2x12 Vert is 23 5/8" wide. Happy playing!
I was really close to buying the california tweed, but i bought a tone king imperial mk II instead.
I don't understand; what's with the grumpiness on the left?
Well something is missing in your demo. For me to choose between Cal Tweed and Fillmore to be my 4th Boogie... Love both clean sound. Probably like better the OD setting of the Cal Tweed but as single channel, the only way to switch from OD to clean would be to roll off the vol pot on the guitar while your setting is high gain low master... but that is not in the demo...