Ancient Wheels Spin? - Motor MythBusters - S01 EP104 - Car Show
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2024
- Dive into a world where prehistoric tech meets modern-day ingenuity! 🚗💨 We're bringing a Flintstones car to life and debunking the odometer rollback myth. Join us for an adventure where cartoon cars aren't just for TV and learn if you really can turn back time on your dash!
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despite weighing 2 tons, the flinstone car still tips over when served with dino ribs on one side..😂
That is a lot of dino ribs.
That proves the wheels were hollow.
Maybe grey colored wood.
@@anathardayaldaryup, they were really dirty.
Brontosaurus ribs . Dino was the size of a big dog
That would mean the ribs weighed over 2 tons!
They completly forgot about the live action Flinstones 1994 movie with John Goodman, Rick Moranis, Elizabeth Perkins, and Rosie O'Donnell. Which already made a car. They just had more special affects...
Woah... sweet :)
They did it wrong. It was made out of prehistoric pumice stone and balsa wood. The power to weight ratio was like nothing seen before. 😊
not to mention in the cartoon it appears that the whole thing sits higher from the ground, meaning your legs are more at a 135 degree angle than a 90 degree
@@bigfrankfraser1391 that's a good point. The range and angle of motion would have definitely been a factor to consider.
@@JasonRayShute exactly, i always hated mythbusters when they missed the obvious
and they should drive on dirt road, not asphalt road..
How to say your an engineer without saying your an engineer
What people don't realize is Fred Flintstone was strong. He works in a rock quarry and his foot power is off the scale. Also, remember he could pick up the car and turn it around
The three toes were the result of driving a car with stone wheels, barefoot lol, he had five when he first got his license
😂😂😂
One question for you, when you mentioned the sentence "he had five when he first got his license." Wouldn't it look better if we wrote the same sentence like this: "He was five years old when he first got his license"? We say age in English using the verb "To Be". Greetings and I really liked your comment, it made me laugh a lot.
@@juancarlossoto3748 I think missing the point or tow/finger of what was being said, it cartoonist thing to only draw three finger on a hand, (like drawing 25 frames a second, you only the absolute minimum needed
it could really eat their feet if it rolls back
@@juancarlossoto3748 'He had five toes' not 'he was five years old'
So happy I found this show. It scratches an itch that hasn't been scratched in many years. Must have more!
but sadly it ended though.
Grant is missed.
We live 6 miles from the Bedrock park 30 miles from the Grand Canyon. The park was sold several years ago. Due to copyright restrictions they changed the name to Raptor ranch. Still really cool now includes live raptors and stays true to Bedrock. Debbie and Troy the owners are wonderful people ready to show your family a great time.
Live raptors?
@@MaxBrix Yes, live raptors... birds.
Hearing Tory does bring back some good memories
In the cartoon those seats were made stone too. They would add a lot of weight to the Flintmobile.
At some point someone should have told her concrete is composed mostly of limestone. She literally spent that whole time testing limestone to limestone to see if they were similar.
Why wasn't it tested on a soft dirt road like it would have been in the flintstones. Of course the wheels broke, there was no give in the road.
actualy it's arguable that asphalt has more give than a packed down dirt road would have.
That road would have been compacted due to the stone rollers going over it all day long.
I had a similar experience to Tory. I had a 73 Dodge Challenger with a standard dash which I changed to a Rallye dash, but I wanted it to display the correct original mileage. I got the same result after changing the mileage on the new odometer, it changed by 1000 miles at a time. I took it back apart and upon further inspection discovered it was a simple reassembly error. I fixed the error and it worked perfectly, and bingo I had the original correct mileage and a working odometer.
"scratches at level 4, deeper grooves at level 5" oh was it just me?
You got it my Man. 🤣
Why 666 in your name? It's sad that so many people decide to indulge in the bad side of life. Lost souls....
@@RighteousnessWillPrevail The number 666 is a positive and transformative message from the celestial realm, representing self-discovery and spiritual essence.
@@RighteousnessWillPrevail The number 666 is often associated with the number of the beast and is commonly misunderstood as a negative or evil omen. However, in the realm of angel numbers and spiritual symbolism, its significance is far more positive and enlightening.
Jerry
It is theorized that the Jetsons predates the Flintstones, and some cosmic event knocked society back to the Stone Age. This is why the recreation of "historical" objects is being attempted with the tools and equipment readily available.
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I feel like i read another theory that they existed at the same time, half of society in space and the other half still on the ground
They should have made Barney's car if I remember right it had wheels.
That is true,...not as iconic but accurate. It also makes more sense to make a car like Barney's sinse in the end it's just gonna be Rubble......😊
@@skeetermcswagger0U812
*since
It was powered by a little dinosaur on a tread-mill in the trunk.
When I was a kid I used to think the Flintstones steered like a tank but using there feet! You “pedal” both feet (to go straight) and when you want to turn Right that means your right foots stops, digs into the ground to pivot & left foot keeps “pedaling” Hahaha 🤘👽👽👽
"Flintstones meet the Flintstones!"
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Tori making the wheels by Hand is very much like Jamie hand making many of the parts he did during the original run
If U look carefully, the Flintstone car drove on compacted dirt roads, which I think it could handle.
Plus I've always thought that the wheels were made out of wood rather than Stone. It would weigh a lot less and be easier for Fred to replace should one of the wheels break rather than carving a new stone wheel every time.
@@cyclops8238 Sorry, no. those wheels were made of stone.
Since the wheels of the cars were stone rollers, yes, the roads were compacted dirt.
I love the Flintstones. I grew up watching them and saying Yabba Dabba Do! To see the Flintmobile built for real is cool. Too bad you can't power it like Fred did, or stop it like Fred did. lol
Remember the episode where jewel thieves hid the diamonds in their wheels? Those rollers were hollow!! Also, they had engines in other episodes. Barny built an "Indy 500" car powered by a mid engined dinosaur. You have to take cartoons with a grain of salt.
WHAT?! That can't be done? I'm totally disillusioned....
Shocking information that cartoons arent real
Didn't expect a whole segment on "Fred's girth."
HIS' probably wasn't a small mushroom
The problem with the odometer is what was the build specs on the Ferrari of that year. So you would need a Italian odometer from the 1960’s
That's why Fred sprung for the solid stone wheel.
What's funny is that they never once addressed the fact that it would be impossible to steer the thing, haha.
Grew up a massive fan of The Flintstones, and still a fan to this day.
They would have to have a split wheel design where you could just apply brakes to one side to steer like a tank steers.
No you wouldn't. I don't know how to explain it but you wouldn't. You could make it steer even if the wheels were one solid piece of stone. I also think Stone is truly more durable than concrete. Concrete is n
More susceptible to water damage.
@@RighteousnessWillPrevail
The ONLY way you MIGHT be able to steer such a vehicle (outside of a fantasy world), is by varying the distance between the 2 axles inversely. That is to say, by increasing the distance on one side, while simultaneously decreasing it on the opposite side.
The problem is, rotating 2 such massive rollers, around twin, centralized, vertical axes equal amounts and simultaneously, would require vast amounts of torque.
It's sort of like the difference between vehicles with and without power steering, but to the Nth degree.
Fortunately, Fred and his fellow cavemen were Neanderthals, and would have been naturally far stronger than modern humans.
I was thinking the same. They also didn't mention the fact that some episodes showed Fred getting gas for the car, implying there is an engine in there (somehow) somewhere. Still a fun build, though.
They did mention very quickly about steering. I think it was avoided on purpose.
Obviously they took odometer out of another car that had less miles no one trys to spin them backwards they just replace them with one with less miles
Yup, pretty common on older vehicles, have done the same to my 99 Tahoe
You can actually take an old mechanical odometer apart and reset it to whatever you want.
There were cases that went to court of unscrupulous used car dealers that would use an electric drill to unwind miles off of odometers. This created laws that the auto manufacturers had to make it harder to modify mileage.
The technique was to disconnect the cable from the transmission and chuck it into the drill. Run it in reverse for awhile and watch the miles come off.
@@johnmcleodvii - Old tale. An electric drill runs the speedometer about 15 mph. To remove 1500 miles would take 100 hours. That is 4 days continuously running. To remove 15,000 would take 1000 hours. Do you have 40 days to wait?
@@tommissouri4871 A couple quick internet searches. Speedometers have 1000 or 1280 rotations per mile. Electric drills can run at up to 11000 RPM for some models. That's 11 miles a minute or 660 MPH for the 1000 turns per mile version. It will be something on the order of 500 MPH for the 1280 turns per mile version.
I can remember $0.75/gal. Fuel used to be very cheap.
My father use to pay $0.25
HIS father paid $0.05.
Thanks Joe burden
I remember when my car got " 40 rods to the hogshead "
@@ralanham76 i used to ride with a bit older friend. The price was only at the pump. If the tenant was distracted, you pump a full tank, reset it and pump a buck and a full tank was a buck. I was always too honest. But it was surely a funny trick
I also remember low gas prices, 39.9 cents a gallon and my dad never drove to his carpool again, he rode a bicycle.
It's not a Historic moment, it's a PreHistoric moment.
The wrong thing I see in their deliberation of the Flintstone mobile. 1 Fred Flintstone was not sitting when he was moving the car. He was standing while pushing the car. I think the MythBusters need to bring back this to rethink their thoughts about them standing and pushing instead of sitting and pushing.
Also wish that they would of gotten like a bodybuilder type that is more used to dragging heavy objects. I also think while her leather and lard option was rather clever. And did deserve to be used for the first test, i still would of liked to see if modern bearings would help as with all the other things they do in the show The show i don't think it's that big of a departure to think they had some better equivalent for the bearings than leather and lard.
What an incredible prop to have as an attraction in a park.
Fun episode would love to see a revisit with different and lighter wheels see how fast they can go and stop with less weight.
Barney's Logging Continental would've been much easyer. LOL!
Who Else Was Like OK Lets get it to highway speeds and watch it violently rip Apart... They Missed Such An Opportunity there!
Fred flintstone will be physically stronger than the modern man.
Something to consider, you guys tested this on modern paved roads. If i recall the show the roads were not yet made from concrete or asphalt. I would imagine that concrete wheels would hold up a lot better on a dirt road.
Excellent video :) I know person made Fred Flintstone car but did with rubber tires on 14 sizes 4 each on front wheels also back , put Snowmobile motor size 440 2 cylinders motor with 2 carb , belt drive be was gears on chain instead also Brakes also headlight and brake light! Was so cool design to and driveable and turn too by steering wheel!
The best way of figuring out if your mileage is genuine is looking at the steering wheel. It is in your hands whenever the car is driven and there will be significant differences in the expected wear even between 50,000 to 100,000 miles.
Cant beleive mythbusters is back !! so stoked and the new format is awesome 👍
Modern odometers read the same speed sensor as the speedometer. It's measuring the frequency generated by gear teeth passing a hall effect sensor. That gear has a fixed gear ratio with the wheel speed. It's just calculation based on time.That frequency will look the same forward as it does backward. It's just a frequency and a clock and math.
The Flintstones takes place in the future because they celebrate Christmas making it AD not BC.There's an Internet theory that it's simultaneous with The Jetsons who live in the sky.
I had a 2003 Mitsubishi Magna with a digital odometer that has 211 000ish km's on it. I had problems with the instrument panel/cluster and went to replace it to find the odometer reading was over 360 000 km's on the replacement one. Not sure with newer cars if they fixed that but the odometer reading was saved on a chip within the instrument cluster and not on the main computer which makes it very easy to forge your km's. In order to get my new display to read the correct km's, you would send it to a workshop that had the ability to access the onboard reading and then change the values.. So there is 2 ways of rewinding the clock on the early 2000's and older cars. Just replace the instrument cluster with one that has low km's or have a device to plug into the cluster to reprogram it.. It's very dodgy and I'm sure many people have done it sadly.. Makes me look at the engine, running gear and the joints a lot more now to tell if if the odo was forged when looking at a new car.
Edit: There is a big difference and easy to see if they have shaved off a 100k looking at the components but very hard if they have only wound it back a little..
Odometer reversal is easy. They replace the instrument panel with a lower mileage one
You have to remember Fred Flintstone was an old man and obviously had been driving for a many years so has developed calluses on his feet but when he was a learner driver obviously it was harder for him to drive and stop because of his baby skin feet😊😂😂
Not only was he middle-aged, but he was a smoker: ua-cam.com/video/NAExoSozc2c/v-deo.htmlsi=Dn65xYs3H6A12dVM
I can't help but imagine the safety risk to do this. Like the old fashion cartoons of getting run over by a steamroller
Scammers just get the instrument panel out of a wrecked car with low mileage and swap it into the scam car.
If you watched carefully, the back wheel split at the point between 2 pourings. Also, did you notice that the FRONT wheel didn't show nearly as much damage as the back? It looks like the back wheel cement wasn't mixed correctly. All that said, what a FUN experiment!
Guys as a retired auto mechanic breaking into a odometer is only one of the ways on a digital one they reset the computer or cps system.
They referenced Ferris Bueller's day off. But this was actually done in Raymond Burr's Perry Mason. The killer had created an alibi using his old car [this was a 50's show]. He jacked up the car's back wheels and ran it backward. His car could not have driven to the scene of the crime according to the odometer.
the odometer drill thing was also done in a short scene in Matilda. her dad was a used car salesman who would scam all of his customers, and using a drill to roll back the odometer was one of his preparation tactics
plus i also remember a scene from a Tiny Toon's special of Hampton's family trying to record their odometer, and they had to back up and do it again
This is so silly but awesome
The funny thing about the Flint Mobile is that Fred gets it going with his feet at the beginning and then it just keeps going forever on its own (unless he needs to do an emergency stop with his feet!). They never do explain how it turns and I don't think we ever saw that happen in any of the cartoons.
As an injury epidemiologist, I was so pleased to see you had dummies when pulling it. Nice experiment. Looked fun. Thanks for sharing.
Using pumice for the wheels would have made it slightly less ridiculous. It is lighter than water.
Read my mind 😊
I read someones comments like yours i think using the pumice stone and the cedar wood wouldn't make it to heavy
1:46 Settled. Even way back then, they knew what side the steering wheel should go on - Thank you bows and curtseys from, Australia, Japan, UK, Ireland, Singapore, India, Pakistan and the 69 other countries that drive on the correct side of the road.
Should have used a hmmwv 60mph speedo. That one goes in reverse when driving in reverse.
I am positive that the limbs would have been hogged out for lightness and the wheels would have been
probably diorite or granite. Also, they probably hogged that out too in order to lighten the weight. If you had done it
with a lighter inside but kept the wall thickness you probably would have had a greater deal of movement
at that speed. The weight would also wear less on the wheels. Not only that but, Diorite or Granite is probably better
at driving because of it's ingenious nature. Meaning that it's really, really tough. More than your concrete mix.
Faye made it on mythbusters?! Wow.
AND Bisi?
The fact that the axles were spinning in the side logs indicate that the lard/leather "bearings" were not being tested. This fact should have been mentioned.
A while ago (I forget when) there was a scandal in Detroit that was discovered when a traffic cop pulled over a speeder. The speeder was an automotive exec and said he didn't realize that he was speeding because the speedometer/odometer was not connected yet.
Turns out the executives were 'borrowing' new cars from the factory and driving them for hundreds if not thousands of miles without the odometer advancing, then they would return the car, hook up the odometer, the factory would sell them as new vehicles, and they would 'borrow' a new one again.
He only modified the in dash module odometer reading, a competent mechanic can find the actual mileage stored in the computer system and display it on his scan tool.
20:20 An odometer is an estimate of miles. Your miles will increase as your tires wear. My wife recorded her miles to work and back daily which were the same everyday. Then we got new tires, and the miles reported by the odometer were suddenly less because the tires got wider and we went further with each tire revolution ... but the actual miles were the same. Maybe a GPS map is a more accurate way to measure miles.
YABBA DABBA DOO!!
Translate to English?????🤭🤦😁🤗😬😜
They didn't overthink this at all...MUCH...!!! 😁😂🤣
Bringing the vehicle up to 25 mph is improbable. The best a Flintstone vehicle would best actually do would be maybe 10 mph as the roads were more like gravel roads, not flat asphalt. Also, Tory was pushing BC on good surface to no more than 9mph, so normal speed would be 10, not 25mph.
Hey, its Faye, yay!!
Checking the tires of a used car is not that reliable.
If the car is old enough that the mileage question arises, chances are the previous owner was simply sensible enough to replace the tires due to their age rather than their wear.
Now I'm interested in making one that *looks* similar, but with lighter material. "Wheels" that are not perfect cylinders and can steer when the frame is twisted slightly.
Back to the Future 4 should be about Doc and Marty in prehistoric times trying to get a Flintstones car to reach 88 mph.
They forgot the lubrication for the axles. Plus they could have nade smooth leather bearings for the axles and frame to run on with a film of grease between .
It will be more fun while running the flintstone's car, theres a background theme song of it. Awesome made!
Ferris Bueller’s Day Off taught us about odometers. 🤣
Isn't Tory the OG Mythbuster? Glad to see Faye on the team :)
But Fred was standing up. Wouldn't they run the car and then sit for a bit?
Would have used the lightest hard wood plausible, and old style wooden bearings inside the wheel well. That way you don't see the bearings from the outside. What if the Flintstone Mobile wheels were made from a wood that looked white? There were 2 support beams installed front and back in the show. I would have gotten rid of those, and just used the hard wooden seats and front dash as the supports to reduce weight. Then tested it on a hard compact dirt road.
44:44 That was insanely dangerous, if the rollers came off and it got under the truck, it would flip the truck and the two of them in the back might die.
You people need to be more cautious with such experiment.
27:28 and 27:31 - Different dashes in the GTO. Oops on the editor.
While the old mechanical odometers would usually rewind and lower the mileage, it is terribly inefficient. To reduce 60 miles, you'd have to drive in reverse for 60 miles. At 60 mph, that is an hour, plus the fuel used. But since most cars run less than 30 mph in reverse, it could take several hours. Also since the gearing for reverse is usually lower than first gear, fuel mileage will be very low. 60 miles could take 10 to 15 gallons of fuel easily.
Although, the 1961 Ferrari in Ferris Bueller's Day Off did not roll miles off when put into reverse. Seems Ferrari was ahead of the curve on odometer tampering!
I never thought that Fred was as tall as six feet. His stocky build suggests a shorter person, not more than five, or maybe even less. Probably the whole stone age cast was short.
Fred was on dirt roads so the "tires" wouldve lasted longer
You can go to a junk yard and by a odometer that matches your vehicle and has few miles on it, that's one way they do the fraud. The other way is by disassembling the odometer and manually altering it's readout.
OK, so replace the pedal pads when backing the odometer, got it!
Wow, Tory is almost unrecognizable these days.....He must have had some hornet cereal this morning........lol.
Actually, The Flintstones wasn't set in the past, but actually in the future. It takes place at the same time as The Jetsons, but while people like the Jetsons managed to escape earth before the cataclysmic event and lived in a futuristic world, those who were not so well off were basically set back into the stoneage in terms of technology, but still had the knowledge of at that time modern day. Hence things like garbage dispolsal, plumbing, bowling and cars existed.
That theory gets thrown out the window by the canon movie where the Jetsons and the Flintstones meet through the use of a time machine.
The time machine DMT also the wormhole.
It was already mentioned about the time machine, but there was an episode where the Grand Canyon was a very small stream. The comment was made that some day, it will be the Grand Canyon of today. So your theory has pretty much turned to rubble.😅
@@GuyPipili
Would that be BARNEY Rubble. 😂🤣😈
@CerberusTenshi
Patently, you didn't grow up watching BOTH of these shows. Otherwise, your theory wouldn't have so many faults.
I love the fact that you are in Ventura, California. I used to live in Ventura.
The reason for the failure is because of axial shear where torque is moving in opposite directions. This is easily forseable however you are busting myths technically.
Correction at 3:09 you mention Fred uses his feet but I will bring up this this is a inconsistency as in one episode we do see there is a "breaking device" used in the car like a Emergency break type thing the joke/gag being the break obviously does not work. Also the Yabba dabba do thing was priceless.
Another way yo find a tampered ofometer is to have the dealer check it. On many cars, the odometer displays the miles tgat it cobtains. But the mileage is stored in other kodules as well, such as rhe body control module, the transmission control module and the piwerteain control module. I dont know dotr a fact, but I bet they independently calcujate it. For example, the ABS control module monitors the sleed of each wheel and moduleds the brakes when it senses a wheel slip. It could easily calculate the mileage from the abs wheel sensors. The transmission control monitors input shaft speed, output agaft dpeed, what gear yotr in and probably is the source of the data that gets sent to the instrument cluster. It can also independabtly track and store the mileage. The body control module habdkes atability contril which means it needs to monitor wheel speed sensors and communicate with the abs, transmission and powertrain control modules. So it too has multiple ways to determine the vehicle mileage. Finally, the powertrain control module needs to communicate with the transmiasion and be aware if the gear and it knows the engine rom, so it too can independently calculate the mileage. But regardless of whether they independently calculate it, or just store a copy, if the cluster is changed, they rerain a copt of the original data and the dealer diagnostic system can detect the tampering. I bet this has nothing to do with sellers faking tgd odometer. Its probably more to do with preventing people from taking high mileage vehicles, like say, a car thats used to drive Uber or Lyft 400 miles a day, 5 days a week, and thus has driven 280,000 miles in the first three years, rolling the odometer back and then taking it in and getting a new engine and transmission and probably half of the car replaced ubtder warranty.
Fred Flintstone had a lot of leg strength to move that car, but Wilma Flintstone also moved that car, so my theory doesn't work. However, there is a way it works and that is for the city to have pure downhill streets like San Francisco, that way it works and pretty well. Greetings to all.
Insanely dangerous vehicle to destroy their feet and legs if that back wheel catches them.
Full marks for creating the memories of flinstone
Dodgy car sellers don't actually turn the odometer back, they simply buy a far lower mileage speedometer, from a breaker's yard wreck and use it to replace the high mileage original. (I've done it with motorcycles in the past).
The other method, that I used, was to reach in through the light bulb hole with a piece of stiff wire and click the far left reels all the way around back to zero.
Flintstones wasn't really pre-historic. Listen to the theme, and you would hear modern-day family. Flintstones dates to the future. Jetson with wealth moves out the earth while the Flintstones stay on a falling earth.
Great fun . Thank you guys ❤ I enjoyed it
The tool to reset ODO readings can be downloaded for many cars. On mine the mileage is stored in the dash unit (speedo) AND in the computer. If your gauge goes bad, you need to buy one that has lower miles than the one you replace. You can set to a higher mileage but not a lower mileage, assuming you don't want to replace the expensive computer as well. To set mileage back on *some* 90's cars you couldn't pull it apart. You'd use a drill and roll the ODO spindle forward 1M miles or buy a speedo with lower mileage.
The like is for FAYE ✌️✌️
Best way to "cheat" an odometer is to run the odometer system forward until it "flips".
Flintstones the movie built a bunch of cars they should have tried to find one of them
Then it wouldn't be Myth Busters!!🙄
Who wooda thunk cars had flat tires 30,000 years ago??🦧
did anyone see what state the front wheel was? there was nothing wrong with it after the 18mph, the back wheel got damaged when that buster fell and caused imbalance/uneveness
In The Flintstones movie in 1994 all the wood and stone prop didn’t even look real.
Would love to see you guys make a video on the Gilligans Island car made from bamboo, vines and coconuts.