As a aircraft model maker I would be interested if you were to find information on the type of aircraft, crew and unit related to this and other instances where fairly specific aircraft and units were involved in ship sinkings as part of the story
Hi! I'm a student that draw warships a lot and I have many questions about the visual aspects and fine details of WW2 naval warfare. I'll just dump them here for you to read through! Thank you so much for your content! 1. Were artillery shells visible in the air and would they glow? Similar to the depiction in world of warships? Would there be any warning before shells land? 2.. What did the Japanese colored shells look like? Did they really explode with gigantic plumes of color, or was it more subtle? 3.. Did the Japanese have flak or not? I've heard many conflicting statements about this, some saying Japan never had flak and instead only used beehive shells for all ships with 100mm guns and above, some saying only the battleships had beehive shells, etc etc... 4.. What was the average visibility range on a ship? Would a ship 15km away even be visible? At what ranges would you be able to clearly tell what type of ship you're looking at? 5.. Of all the Japanese carriers, which ones actually had the big red circle on the flight deck? I've seen several different interpretations of them, all drawn differently. 6.. Why did Japan never get radar? It seems like so many of the Japanese losses were due to a lack of a decent radar. Why didn't they just borrow radar technology from the british before war broke out? 7.. Intensity of battle and ease of aiming? On fast-firing ships like clevelands and fletchers, did the crew ever try to aim for certain parts of the enemy ships, or was there not enough time for that level of precision? Generally, what was the mood of naval warfare? was precision a big concern or was it more like "just hitting them alone is already very lucky, can't ask for any more than that". 8. On small ships like destroyers who can't outright sink capital ships, I'd imagine there would be attempts to "blind" them by specifically aiming for the radar sets and rangefinders. Did that ever happen? 9. What's it like in the turret of a destroyer? It must've been horrendously chaotic to try to aim with the constant pitching of a destroyer at flank speed. Did the gunners manually compensate or were there computers to do it all for them? Were there any stories of crew trying to aim the guns with all the machinery and rangefinding knocked out? 10. Really curious about the akizuki class! Did they see any action at all? 11. Did any of the Japanese destroyers get into gun fights with bensons/fletchers? Who came out on top? 12. Realistic fire rate of naval guns in WW2? Did tired/injured crew play a part? Were destroyers really able to fling shells once every 4-5 seconds? 13. Torpedo dodging? How visible were torpedoe wakes anyways? 14. Was armour angling a real thing in naval warfare? 15. How often did the secondary battery of a battleship ever see action? Were they effective in WW2
There were a lot more Greeks at the Hot Gates than the Spartans "Thermopylae is primarily known for the battle that took place there in 480 BC, in which an outnumbered Greek force probably of 7,000(including 300 Spartans, 500 warriors from Tegea, 500 from Mantinea, 120 from Arcadian Orchomenos, 1,000 from the rest of Arcadia, 200 from Phlius, 80 from Mycenae, 400 Corinthians, 400 Thebans, 1,000 Phocians, 700 Thespians, and the Opuntian Locrians)"
Always liked the medium and small sized cruisers, still hoping one day to see a goodly guide to the Eclipse class HMS Doris and her adventures during the Boer war and the great war. Her fun with the Turks always remind me of the stuff T.E. Lawrence got up to, still a great film by the way and looks beautiful on Bluray. Anyway, I hope you have a good day, whom ever may be reading this, and perhaps even though she is named after the first, perhaps a video on the second HMS Queen Elizabeth would be nice, may she rest in peace.
Personally for me the story of this ship shows, how dangerous and unforgiving a naval warfare is. We all know stories about heavy cruisers and battleships managing to withstand dozens of hits, but those vessels are expensive and rare to be seen, and the frontline duty lays on a much more vunerable mass produced ships which sometimes simply have no chance for a mistake. I was always curious about fates of the light cruisers from european axis powers, which managed to silently go to the bottom of an ocean. Appart from big glorious and rare battleships fights, an everyday warfare of destroyers and cruisers appeared to be a very cruel thing.
My father served in HMS Bellona during World War 2 so it was of great interest to me to view this video. Interestingly I served in HMS Diana, a Daring class destroyer, in 1968/69 and would imagine she punched as much anti aircraft weight as did Spartan.
"Within an hour the ship had been sunk with 46 killed and 42 wounded from a crew of 530." Usually I feel a bit of sorrow hearing that the fate of the ship was "sold to the breakers". I have to rethink that.
A consistent weakness on the Dido class and their sub-classes. Boiler rooms flooding very quickly, most Dido's that were sunk during the war did so with frightful speed so I've read.
I’m sure that Louis Le Bailey mentions that they became more susceptible to foundering from damage when they became “lighter” from firing off ammunition and when fuel bunkerage was reduced. It’s been a while since I read his autobiography (well worth a read - not very complementary about certain RN departments) but I’m sure that’s what he said.
Makes sense given that they represented the classic problem of compromise. The Royal Navy had a choice between making a bunch of destroyers or a handful of cruisers of 10,000 tons to meet a need; They chose the middle ground by procuring sixteen ships around 6,000 tons. The result was basically a bunch of very large destroyers with all the survivability problems inherent in very lightly-built ships. Really, as much as I want to like the ships, they were a seriously questionable investment at a time when the USA was commissioning ships like USS Brooklyn with fifteen six-inch guns and eight five-inch guns at under 10,000 tons!
@@genericpersonx333 Well the U.S. Navy had much more resources. And sixteen 6000 tons ships do much more work than six or eight 10000-12000 tons ships (at a higher attrition rate unfortunately, but this was expected). And despite magnificent hulls and guns and all the armour in the world , this was of little use against such new weapons. HMS Warspite was gutted (and only partially repaired) by a hit and a near miss of the Fritz-X, RN Roma (two hits and a near-miss) was sunk and RN Italia damaged, and these were battleships! Savannah (Brooklyn class) was gutted pretty well and left idle in the water by one hit of a guided bomb (took 8 months to fix the ship) . There are dozens of such examples.
@@sandrodunatov485 For sure, there were arguments for the Didos, which is why they were built, but they still lacked the versatility for the tonnage, which somewhat defeats the purpose of having more cruisers to cover more area. They basically were no good against other cruisers, a lot more expensive than destroyers, and proved not much more durable than destroyers as well. Since protection of commerce against enemy cruisers was a critical mission of the Royal Navy, investing in so many ships that couldn't viably engage enemy cruisers on their own was a questionable use of resources.
Thank you for the way you broke the news about the passing of Her Majesty. It was very dignified, and quite cushioned the blow for myself and no doubt some others who first learned the somber news first here.
Congrats on reaching 300 of these, it was the shorter-form vids that initially drew me to this channel. Kind of miss the old machine voice narration...with Bruva Alfabusa off of 40K these days I feel like I'm not getting enough of the TTS Emperor any more. :)
I've been using a lot British vessels in my War in the Pacific campaign here on UA-cam, primarily in the Bay of Bengal to keep the Japanese from moving on Burma.
If they were off Anzio ... I don't know what the hell they were doing at anchor ... Those German Radio Controlled Missiles were deadly. They sank an Italian Battleship that was changing sides with them and really caused a serious problem off Anzio. The thing is - the Allies figured out how to jam their radio signals and that was the end of that. .
The Italian battleship Roma was actually sunk by a Fritz X glide bomb, an unpowered by radio-steered 1400 kg (3000 lb) armour-piercing bomb meant specifically for use against armoured targets. A Fritz X also put Warspite out of action for months. The Henschel 293 was more of a missile in the sense that it had a rocket engine that propelled it for the first ten seconds and actual wings that allowed it to fly on a lower trajectory than a steered bomb like the Fritz X. It was meant to be used against softer targets and its bursting charge was a regular 500 kg bomb. Most warships sunk by the Henschel 293 were destroyer size or smaller; Spartan was the only cruiser.
Could you plesse reveiw the RN submarine service from 1900 to 1945? This may include notable boats and captains and interesting patrols by such warships.
Drach, can you do a guide about the U.S.C.G. cutter Mohawk wpg - 78? My father-in-law served on her, and my wife would be thrilled to see a video about the ship her dad served on during WWII. Thank you!
Well....At least the captain got most of the crew off. And hey, the beach is right there! I think we need a comprehensive list of all ships taken out by smart weapons since 1944.
What captain would go cold iron at an at sea anchorage with the threat of enemy air action likely? That sounds like a serious error, as indeed it was, as it cost the ship.
The idea the RN had of creating a cruiser/destroyer that became the Didos and the Tribals had merit(decades ahead of it's time). Had the RN created in 1939 as was possible a ship armed with 8 4,5 inch dual purpose guns plus decent AA it might have changed things a lot
Excuse me, the first AA cruisers were the converted Kaiser War C class vessels. The Didos (and the Atlantas) were the result of the Second London Treaty which limited cruisers to 8000 tons, which meant 6 inch guns were out. They were intended to be small conventional fleet cruisers, analogous to the Kaiser War C class, not as AA cruisers. The 5.25 inch with its 80 pound shell was much more oriented to surface than AA work.
The RN invented it when they Kaiser War vintage C class. They were the first step towards the cruiser being part of a task force screen rather than operating indepently
Man, did I mess that up Anyway, here goes again The RN invented the AA cruiser when they converted Kaiser War vintage C class. They were the first step towards the cruiser being part of a task force screen rather than operating independently
@@colbeausabre8842 you can delete and edit posts. Thank god you can !!! Jeez, some of the bollocks I’ve typed in a hurry. And auto-correct doesn’t help either. Anyway, thanks for that. I’ll look that stuff up.
"Rumor has it the Free French have already turned you down. If those wine-lovers and cheese-eaters have found that kind of nerve, of course the Royal Navy has its reputation to consider."
If ever you needed an example of the Proverbial Pen being mightier than the Sword, I think HMS Spartan and her sisters make a good case. We forget just how different "cruisers" would looking to be before the treaties were penned, completely changing the nature of cruisers going forward, skewing our perceptions of what cruisers should look like for decades to come. The idea of a cruiser in 1918 being viable with a mighty eight weapons of 5.25'' caliber would be laughable as battlecruisers packing 14'' and bigger guns looked set to became the dominant ship for performing traditional frigate/cruiser missions on the high seas. That by 1939, HMS Spartan was considered a viable cruiser worth the tonnage despite being only marginally better-armed than some destroyers shows how the pen can make the apparently weak appear very mighty, if only by arbitrarily keeping the common denominator much lower.
@@rohanthandi4903 True, but most were usually early ships already being phased out of frontline service. Mind also that there was still going to be a need for small ships to do small jobs, but the average size of warship was going up in the 1910s. Not unlike in the Age of Sail when frigates kept getting bigger and bigger until they were effectively bigger than some Ships of the Line had been in the earlier days.
Well yes, the name. If you take into account the huge impact the film 300 had on the greek tourism industry and speaking of tourism combined with heroism and the number 300 we should be hearing about the museum ship GEORGIOS AVEROFF instead of a common Royal Navy light cruiser that managed to get itself sunk anchored in a harbour. It may be Spartan by name, but not by deed.
I’m assuming she was broken up on the quiet. You find that nobody has ever dived her and more pertinently I can remember reading an official document that mentions her specifically in regards to wrecks that were in the territorial waters of other countries.
Pinned post for Q&A :)
As a aircraft model maker I would be interested if you were to find information on the type of aircraft, crew and unit related to this and other instances where fairly specific aircraft and units were involved in ship sinkings as part of the story
What was the ancient Spartans primary port and is anything left today?
did the royal navy use 50 brownings or 50 vickers during WW2?
The frying pan mounts on the QE's and Illustrious, what are their official names?
Hi! I'm a student that draw warships a lot and I have many questions about the visual aspects and fine details of WW2 naval warfare. I'll just dump them here for you to read through! Thank you so much for your content!
1. Were artillery shells visible in the air and would they glow? Similar to the depiction in world of warships? Would there be any warning before shells land?
2.. What did the Japanese colored shells look like? Did they really explode with gigantic plumes of color, or was it more subtle?
3.. Did the Japanese have flak or not? I've heard many conflicting statements about this, some saying Japan never had flak and instead only used beehive shells for all ships with 100mm guns and above, some saying only the battleships had beehive shells, etc etc...
4.. What was the average visibility range on a ship? Would a ship 15km away even be visible? At what ranges would you be able to clearly tell what type of ship you're looking at?
5.. Of all the Japanese carriers, which ones actually had the big red circle on the flight deck? I've seen several different interpretations of them, all drawn differently.
6.. Why did Japan never get radar? It seems like so many of the Japanese losses were due to a lack of a decent radar. Why didn't they just borrow radar technology from the british before war broke out?
7.. Intensity of battle and ease of aiming? On fast-firing ships like clevelands and fletchers, did the crew ever try to aim for certain parts of the enemy ships, or was there not enough time for that level of precision? Generally, what was the mood of naval warfare? was precision a big concern or was it more like "just hitting them alone is already very lucky, can't ask for any more than that".
8. On small ships like destroyers who can't outright sink capital ships, I'd imagine there would be attempts to "blind" them by specifically aiming for the radar sets and rangefinders. Did that ever happen?
9. What's it like in the turret of a destroyer? It must've been horrendously chaotic to try to aim with the constant pitching of a destroyer at flank speed. Did the gunners manually compensate or were there computers to do it all for them? Were there any stories of crew trying to aim the guns with all the machinery and rangefinding knocked out?
10. Really curious about the akizuki class! Did they see any action at all?
11. Did any of the Japanese destroyers get into gun fights with bensons/fletchers? Who came out on top?
12. Realistic fire rate of naval guns in WW2? Did tired/injured crew play a part? Were destroyers really able to fling shells once every 4-5 seconds?
13. Torpedo dodging? How visible were torpedoe wakes anyways?
14. Was armour angling a real thing in naval warfare?
15. How often did the secondary battery of a battleship ever see action? Were they effective in WW2
Spartan never sank, she's just missing in action
Wait, "Guide 300" I see what you did there, drach
Ah a man of culture I see
Of course, she's finishing the fight by herself🤷🏻♂️
Luftwaffe: Our anti-ship bombs will blot out the sun.
HMS Spartan: Then we shall fight in the shade.
You had to say it. . . Say what. . .fight in the shade
*THIS*
*IS*
*BRITANNIA*
@@proactiveomnipresentvessel6569 She did fight in the shade - one of the reasons she got sunk
What a fitting ship for guide 300! Here's to 300 more🍻 hope your health has improved drach
There were a lot more Greeks at the Hot Gates than the Spartans "Thermopylae is primarily known for the battle that took place there in 480 BC, in which an outnumbered Greek force probably of 7,000(including 300 Spartans, 500 warriors from Tegea, 500 from Mantinea, 120 from Arcadian Orchomenos, 1,000 from the rest of Arcadia, 200 from Phlius, 80 from Mycenae, 400 Corinthians, 400 Thebans, 1,000 Phocians, 700 Thespians, and the Opuntian Locrians)"
High ABV alcohol does have antibacterial properties. 😉
This is...DRACHINIFEL!
Here’s to Alastair MacLean’s HMS ULYSSES!
Well played Drach, well played.
I can’t imagine anchoring like that without steam up for maneuvering in such a position.
My grandfather was on this ship when it was sunk. Luckily he survived
My grandfather was also on this ship when she sank. He was in one of the main front turrets when the bomb hit. He was very lucky to get out.
Always liked the medium and small sized cruisers, still hoping one day to see a goodly guide to the Eclipse class HMS Doris and her adventures during the Boer war and the great war. Her fun with the Turks always remind me of the stuff T.E. Lawrence got up to, still a great film by the way and looks beautiful on Bluray. Anyway, I hope you have a good day, whom ever may be reading this, and perhaps even though she is named after the first, perhaps a video on the second HMS Queen Elizabeth would be nice, may she rest in peace.
My Condolences Sir!
May God Bless and Save the Queen's Soul,
May She Rest In Eternal Peace.
And God Save The King!
Personally for me the story of this ship shows, how dangerous and unforgiving a naval warfare is. We all know stories about heavy cruisers and battleships managing to withstand dozens of hits, but those vessels are expensive and rare to be seen, and the frontline duty lays on a much more vunerable mass produced ships which sometimes simply have no chance for a mistake.
I was always curious about fates of the light cruisers from european axis powers, which managed to silently go to the bottom
of an ocean. Appart from big glorious and rare battleships fights, an everyday warfare of destroyers and cruisers appeared to be a very cruel thing.
My father served in HMS Bellona during World War 2 so it was of great interest to me to view this video. Interestingly I served in HMS Diana, a Daring class destroyer, in 1968/69 and would imagine she punched as much anti aircraft weight as did Spartan.
THIS IS SPARTA!
THIS IS LESBOS!!!
Guide 300, the guide to the Spartan. Well played. How long have you been planning this one?
This I want to know
"Within an hour the ship had been sunk with 46 killed and 42 wounded from a crew of 530."
Usually I feel a bit of sorrow hearing that the fate of the ship was "sold to the breakers".
I have to rethink that.
Drach must be feeling better. Because he clearly has his sense of humour, with HMS Spartan as guide 300.
Congrats to 300 episodes, Drach!
I knew a native of Barrow in Furness who remembered Spartan sailing from the Vickers yard
I like that someone decided, "Let's make mounts for Lewis guns and put some in the armory, just in case".
A consistent weakness on the Dido class and their sub-classes. Boiler rooms flooding very quickly, most Dido's that were sunk during the war did so with frightful speed so I've read.
I’m sure that Louis Le Bailey mentions that they became more susceptible to foundering from damage when they became “lighter” from firing off ammunition and when fuel bunkerage was reduced. It’s been a while since I read his autobiography (well worth a read - not very complementary about certain RN departments) but I’m sure that’s what he said.
Makes sense given that they represented the classic problem of compromise. The Royal Navy had a choice between making a bunch of destroyers or a handful of cruisers of 10,000 tons to meet a need; They chose the middle ground by procuring sixteen ships around 6,000 tons. The result was basically a bunch of very large destroyers with all the survivability problems inherent in very lightly-built ships. Really, as much as I want to like the ships, they were a seriously questionable investment at a time when the USA was commissioning ships like USS Brooklyn with fifteen six-inch guns and eight five-inch guns at under 10,000 tons!
@@genericpersonx333 Well the U.S. Navy had much more resources. And sixteen 6000 tons ships do much more work than six or eight 10000-12000 tons ships (at a higher attrition rate unfortunately, but this was expected). And despite magnificent hulls and guns and all the armour in the world , this was of little use against such new weapons. HMS Warspite was gutted (and only partially repaired) by a hit and a near miss of the Fritz-X, RN Roma (two hits and a near-miss) was sunk and RN Italia damaged, and these were battleships! Savannah (Brooklyn class) was gutted pretty well and left idle in the water by one hit of a guided bomb (took 8 months to fix the ship) . There are dozens of such examples.
@@genericpersonx333 Atlanta class.
@@sandrodunatov485 For sure, there were arguments for the Didos, which is why they were built, but they still lacked the versatility for the tonnage, which somewhat defeats the purpose of having more cruisers to cover more area. They basically were no good against other cruisers, a lot more expensive than destroyers, and proved not much more durable than destroyers as well. Since protection of commerce against enemy cruisers was a critical mission of the Royal Navy, investing in so many ships that couldn't viably engage enemy cruisers on their own was a questionable use of resources.
Only 700 guides to 1 thousand. LETS GO
Thank you for the way you broke the news about the passing of Her Majesty. It was very dignified, and quite cushioned the blow for myself and no doubt some others who first learned the somber news first here.
Very interesting information thank you. My grandfather served on this ship but it was something he didn't wish to speak of.
Awesome dude!!! Love the 300 reference!!!! J
*Guide 300*
*THIS IS MADNESS*
Madness?
@@typehere6689 THIS IS SPARTAN!
You do so much to honor all the people in these ships who served. Thank you.
Good to see a regular vid after your recent incapacite🙂
Best Video and Ship Combination yet. Molon Labe!
Good to see you up and active again
“Guide 300”
HMS Spartan: TONIGHT I DIE IN HELL!
Die.....or dine?
Dine :P
Congratulations on reaching 300!
Congrats on another milestone Drach.
Congrats on 300 warship guides
Thank you,Drachinifel.
Congrats on reaching 300 of these, it was the shorter-form vids that initially drew me to this channel. Kind of miss the old machine voice narration...with Bruva Alfabusa off of 40K these days I feel like I'm not getting enough of the TTS Emperor any more. :)
Making my Saturday morning the best it can be I watched this late to day due to being at a reenactment all morning
a most agreeable video to “Meet the Spartan”
Ah Drach, making the little things a geeks paradise. I hope she didn't ground off the coast of Thermopaly!
It's a ship, it should probably have been swarmed by aircraft and torpedo boats at Salamis for true authenticity...
"Guide 300" I see what you did here
This is madness!
THIS IS SPARTAN!
Play the epic Sparta Remix
Loving the 'in' joke.. and the good history
Congrats on 300 drach!
300 of these guides! Congratulations. Let me add my own wishes for your improved health. Please take care of yourself.
Done in by an enemy that came across the mountains.
"Fair Winds and Following Seas" Brothers on your eternal patrol.
Congratulations on your 300th video!
Since this is #300, I feel Drach should kick a Patreon into a pit yelling "ThiS Is Sparta!!!"
I have a reproduction of the plans for Black Prince on my study wall. Beautiful ships
I've been using a lot British vessels in my War in the Pacific campaign here on UA-cam, primarily in the Bay of Bengal to keep the Japanese from moving on Burma.
I love the late RN cruiser designs - they're all very handsome. Hope you're feeling better, Drach!
"Our bombers will blot out the sun."
"Then we will fight in the shade."
If they were off Anzio ... I don't know what the hell they were doing at anchor ...
Those German Radio Controlled Missiles were deadly. They sank an Italian Battleship that was changing sides with them and really caused a serious problem off Anzio.
The thing is - the Allies figured out how to jam their radio signals and that was the end of that.
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The Italian battleship Roma was actually sunk by a Fritz X glide bomb, an unpowered by radio-steered 1400 kg (3000 lb) armour-piercing bomb meant specifically for use against armoured targets. A Fritz X also put Warspite out of action for months. The Henschel 293 was more of a missile in the sense that it had a rocket engine that propelled it for the first ten seconds and actual wings that allowed it to fly on a lower trajectory than a steered bomb like the Fritz X. It was meant to be used against softer targets and its bursting charge was a regular 500 kg bomb. Most warships sunk by the Henschel 293 were destroyer size or smaller; Spartan was the only cruiser.
@@jarmokankaanpaa6528 Thanks! I wondered about that.
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Ironic demise for an anti-aircraft ship.
Thank you drach. Great work Sir 👍
Could you plesse reveiw the RN submarine service from 1900 to 1945? This may include notable boats and captains and interesting patrols by such warships.
Guide 300, or guide 117 are the only 2 places for this ship. And given that guide 117 has sailed, I'm glad that HMS spartan docked up here
Guide 300, the almighty Spartan.
Hope you've recovered fully, Drach !!
🚬😎
Congrats on the 300.
Drach, can you do a guide about the U.S.C.G. cutter Mohawk wpg - 78? My father-in-law served on her, and my wife would be thrilled to see a video about the ship her dad served on during WWII. Thank you!
Thanks
Congrats. Looking forward to Guide 420
I'm guessing that will either be about the Liberty ship SS Nick Stoner or one of the six ships that have been named HMS Jamaica.
Wow! Three-hundred episodes. Not bad. Not bad at all.
Well....At least the captain got most of the crew off. And hey, the beach is right there!
I think we need a comprehensive list of all ships taken out by smart weapons since 1944.
Awesome!
Guide 117 would also work for a reference to common media 👌
HMS Spartan, guide 300, hmmm
La Galisonniere class Montcalm would be interesting to review
I'm hoping for a guide on all of La Galissonniere class but individual guides are welcome too.
So like her namesakes, she died providing cover for her fellow combatants so they could slip away.
Sounds like she lived up to her name
With enough Air Attacks this Ship could fight in the Shadow.
pirate walk the plank:🥱
hms Sparta * kicking every mutity off the ship:😎
It's amazing the crew fatalities were not greater in number
This is Spartan!
👍
Lack of significant ground targets at Anzio? Like Annie?
This is madness.
What captain would go cold iron at an at sea anchorage with the threat of enemy air action likely?
That sounds like a serious error, as indeed it was, as it cost the ship.
The idea the RN had of creating a cruiser/destroyer that became the Didos and the Tribals had merit(decades ahead of it's time). Had the RN created in 1939 as was possible a ship armed with 8 4,5 inch dual purpose guns plus decent AA it might have changed things a lot
Excuse me, the first AA cruisers were the converted Kaiser War C class vessels. The Didos (and the Atlantas) were the result of the Second London Treaty which limited cruisers to 8000 tons, which meant 6 inch guns were out. They were intended to be small conventional fleet cruisers, analogous to the Kaiser War C class, not as AA cruisers. The 5.25 inch with its 80 pound shell was much more oriented to surface than AA work.
@@colbeausabre8842 The C lass conversions came after the original design that led to the Tribals
Stranger , when you find us sinking here , go tell the spartans we followed their orders
Wow, so it took longer to build HMS Spartan than it did for her to get sunk. At least most of her crew was spared the same fate.
Long live the king! Now good old boy Charles gets to strut his stuff as ruler of the realm. Too bad he’s doing it at age 73
Well played, Sir. Well played!
Hey Drach, I hope you are feeling better- I also hope you had some blood work.
Love the gag. ;)
I hope Lysander would be proud.
The whole concept of anti aircraft cruisers is fascinating.
The RN invented it when they Kaiser War vintage C class. They were the first step towards the cruiser being part of a task force screen rather than operating indepently
Man, did I mess that up Anyway, here goes again The RN invented the AA cruiser when they converted Kaiser War vintage C class. They were the first step towards the cruiser being part of a task force screen rather than operating independently
@@colbeausabre8842 you can delete and edit posts. Thank god you can !!! Jeez, some of the bollocks I’ve typed in a hurry. And auto-correct doesn’t help either.
Anyway, thanks for that. I’ll look that stuff up.
Is there a video or dry dock segment on Jackie Fisher's early 1900s Royal Navy reforms?
Hope you're feeling better, Ol' Bean.
Well I guess drach is alive then unless Mrs. Drach took the helm
I wonder if trawlers in admiralty service would be a suitable subject?
"Rumor has it the Free French have already turned you down. If those wine-lovers and cheese-eaters have found that kind of nerve, of course the Royal Navy has its reputation to consider."
If ever you needed an example of the Proverbial Pen being mightier than the Sword, I think HMS Spartan and her sisters make a good case. We forget just how different "cruisers" would looking to be before the treaties were penned, completely changing the nature of cruisers going forward, skewing our perceptions of what cruisers should look like for decades to come. The idea of a cruiser in 1918 being viable with a mighty eight weapons of 5.25'' caliber would be laughable as battlecruisers packing 14'' and bigger guns looked set to became the dominant ship for performing traditional frigate/cruiser missions on the high seas. That by 1939, HMS Spartan was considered a viable cruiser worth the tonnage despite being only marginally better-armed than some destroyers shows how the pen can make the apparently weak appear very mighty, if only by arbitrarily keeping the common denominator much lower.
@@rohanthandi4903 True, but most were usually early ships already being phased out of frontline service. Mind also that there was still going to be a need for small ships to do small jobs, but the average size of warship was going up in the 1910s. Not unlike in the Age of Sail when frigates kept getting bigger and bigger until they were effectively bigger than some Ships of the Line had been in the earlier days.
My father served on HMS Dido in WW2 and he pronounced it as written or “Die-doe” if that’s clearer for you.
Drak has already explained his pronounciation of Dido. We ex RN ratings pronounce her as you say.
As it should be... dido, pronounced dy-do or die-do.
Well yes, the name.
If you take into account the huge impact the film 300 had on the greek tourism industry and speaking of tourism combined with heroism and the number 300 we should be hearing about the museum ship GEORGIOS AVEROFF instead of a common Royal Navy light cruiser that managed to get itself sunk anchored in a harbour. It may be Spartan by name, but not by deed.
Didn't he already do the Georgios Averoff?
Can you review the Atlantic Conveyor lost 25 May 1982 during the Falklands War?
That seems like a remarkably large crew for a rather small ship.
It's a spartan cruiser then ;)
SPARTANS! WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION!?!?!?
ANTI-AIRCRAFT FIRE SUPPORT!!! HA OOOH
I’m assuming she was broken up on the quiet. You find that nobody has ever dived her and more pertinently I can remember reading an official document that mentions her specifically in regards to wrecks that were in the territorial waters of other countries.
Wreck removed 1952.
@@MattVF I thought the wreck was still there. What happened to the removed wreck? Scrapped most likely?
@@Aelxi www.bailii.org/uk/other/UKTS/1952/TS0002.pdf
I believe scrapped 1952 onwards
God Save the King!
I hope all is well with you in this trying time for the United Kingdom, Drach.
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