Full GH6 Leaked Specs Analyzed - Is Panasonic Back in Action?
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- Someone has leaked nearly all of the specs on the new Panasonic GH6! I've analyzed the video and official white paper and the GH6 definitely is a beast of a production camera. But is it good enough to bring people back to Panasonic or has Sony won out as the best all rounder?
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TIMECODE 🕐
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0:00 Intro
0:31 New Sensor
0:53 Video Auto Focus
2:18 V-log Analysis
3:32 New Dynamic Range Mode
4:16 New Noise Reduction
4:41 Low Light High ISO
5:40 Int. Prores Thoughts
8:34 MOV vs MP4
9:51 Int. Custom Lens Settings
11:04 Anamorphic HDMI Output
11:43 Baby S1H Body Design
14:12 Bad Battery Life?
15:22 GH6 vs A7iv
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Wow, you channel popped back up. Been a sub a long time and I never saw it. UA-cam's weird algorithm. I love your content and straight forward approach. Keep up the good work.
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That darn youtube algorithm haha, glad this video popped up and you got to see it! I will definitely continue to do my best with my content and reviews!
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Same. Been subbed a long time and never saw a single video in my subscription list until this. I thought this channel was dead. I don't understand what the point of subscribing is if UA-cam hides their newly uploaded videos.
The gh6 is everything i wanted. Its better than my gh5 in any way, even in autofocus. Instant buy.
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Awesome to hear! For anyone that hasn't left the MFT eco system, the GH6 is definitely a upgrade. For hybrid creators that work between self filming and client work, it might not be enough unfortunately, but we'll see as the embargo lifts tomorrow!
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Honest in depth reviews are rare to come by 👍🏽
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Happy you enjoyed this video, not sure if I will get ahold of this camera to do a hands on review. But if I do, I will do my best to give as much meaningful information as possible!
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Thanks again for taking the time to make these! I have the Gh5s, Gh5, and G9, but I also switched over to the a7siii. There are situations where I still miss the Gh series on my shoots.
Hey hey again Tim!
Glad you enjoyed this analysis! I hear you on that one, when I'm on a cinema shoot I much prefer the feel and performance of the Panasonic, it was magical. But the last project I was on was meant to be a reality TV show with a lot of smash zooms. Couldn't use the Panasonics because I couldn't smash zoom and focus at the same time, thus the movie was shot on Sony cameras.
Terrific work - thank you.
Hey hey again Steve!
Glad you enjoyed the analysis! Let's see what happens tomorrow when the embargo lifts and we see more user tests!
Thank you for your explanation, which is very clear and to the point, which I like a lot!
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So glad you enjoyed this analysis! I will continue to do my best with my content and reviews!
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Great analysis
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Thanks for the straight talking video, just subscribed 😊
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So glad you enjoyed this analysis! I will continue to do my best with my content and reviews!
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very interesting video thanks brother .
Hey hey again Kala!
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Oh for crying out loud! The ONLY THING any GH5 user wanted fixed is the autofocus. All the other stuff is nice, but that autofocus is a pain in run and gun situations. I have learned to live with it, but I was really hoping the focus in the GH6 would be their main goal. I would happily keep everything about my GH5 the same and they fixed the focus in the GH6, and I would buy one in a heartbeat.
The autofocus has greatly improved the last two years with the firmware updates.
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We'll find out more tomorrow when we see more embargo reviews, I think the AF is probably ok for non-fast moving subjects in video mode. But anything that can be slightly unpredictable might make the Panasonic hunt more versus phase detect systems is my guess. All that being said I really did wish they'd leave the DFD system or at the very least make it a hybrid AF system.
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Hey, good take on the leaked video. I'm sure there is more to be shown from the camera despite the leak
Hey hey again Lee!
I'm sure there will be too, the GH5 had some "a ha" moments. We'll see soon enough tomorrow! Hope you are well my friend!
Nice run through! If you check there seems to be another tally lamp on the back at the top on the right hand side!😎🙏🏾
Hey hey again Eugene!
Ah yea there is one in the back as well, I did read about it but forgot to say its on the front and back haha! Thanks as always for stopping by!
17:38 that was awesome!
Hey hey again SB Films!
Glad you liked that sequence! That movie was a lot of fun to shoot. Had to memorize so many fight scenes and follow the stuntmens timing, it was crazy, I was exhausted each day moving with them lol.
@@TLDR_filmmaker the bit where the camera span with them and the velocity and force of that final punch, seriously so well done!
Great pre-view, the AF looks like it could be the achilles heel of the panasonic m4/3 system. And I'd definitely like to see an external ssd option for high data rates as cfexpress cards are so expensive.
The cost will obviously be an issue as FF cameras are available for reasonable money now, so m4/3 needs to be cheaper or offer something outstanding, and that certainly won't be AF, DR or D.O.F. and if some m4/3 lenses arnt compatible, I'd fear for the gh6.
I forgot how great your channel is! l’ve listened to a lot of waffle on the gh6 and you cut through to the important stuff :) I sold my pair of gh5’s a while back when I realised the added flexibility of high ISO performance and nicer images generally on the S5. I’ve since bought a bunch of L mount glass, another S5 and an S1H. Clearly I don’t give a fig about autofocus. IF the gh6 really does have improved high ISO perf and really does acquire better images then I’ll jump back in a heartbeat!!
Hey hey Doug!
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Glad you enjoyed this video leading up to the launch! It does seem they've improved it, from the initial tests that came out its somewhere inbetween the GH5 and the S-series. Not sure how much further they can take MFT after this generation, we'll see!
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Look at that backdrop son!!! So clean! 🧼
Its... Unreal.... ?!?!
The linear MF mode is already available for the GH5M2, GH5S and the G9. It was released via firmware update a few months ago. Currently 12 Lumix lenses are supported.
This is also available for the L-mount S series, there all Lumix cameras and all Lumix lenses are supported, and now most native L-Mount Sigma lenses are supported also.
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Ah gotcha, that's great to hear. I have to admit I haven't paid much attention on the Panasonic Firmware front for the older GH5 / G9 series, seriously curious why they did not give it to the GH5 mk1... I would love to try it. I'll have to check out what lenses are on the list and see if I have any of them.
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Good God I hope I can get this rolled out to my m43 Sigma primes because that nonlinear focus by wire is the absolute WORST.
@@TLDR_filmmaker Apparently there is a hardware limitation for the GH5, because it's using and older generation processor, while the G9, GH5S are newer and the GH5M2 is the newest (or the same as the previous two). Either this is true, or Panasonic just wanted to save more features for the M2, which would be also understable as the GH5 is a 5 year old camera which received plenty of fw updates already.
I really hope that they will fix the auto focus issue. I’m getting tired of manually focusing my anamorphic lenses
Dude, Great video! So, Canon actually started using something called Dual Gain Output which is actually what Arri uses for the there cameras. This is actually why I am VERY impressed with this camera. The problem with the Canon's is they are rolling shutter so that Jello effect is still there. The Arris use a global shutter so that doesn't have any jello effect. Now, since this is actually a MFT sensor it will most likely not have any Jello effect in this camera. The DR is impressive with this GH6 because it actually has the same DR as the S1H!
I agree with everything you say except that Arri have global shutter. I don't think they have a global shutter or if you can specify which Arri model has global shutter. Alexa mini has faster readout than a7Siii, that I know.
Well done again, you forgot to mention very very important thing that was break it or name it for many, IS THAT GH6 WILL BE A BEAST IN LOW LIGHT., Also no mention of IBIS?
Hey hey again Neon!
I talked about Low Light in the ISO performance section, though I didn't necessarily say Low light haha. I think at this point people know Panasonic has great IBIS, so I didn't mention it as a breaking feature to note.
I'm in the process of moving to all Sony as well. I will still keep my BMPCC 4K for my narrative and high-end work, but for UA-cam, The ZV-E10 and the ZV-1 seem to be the perfect fit for the UA-cam space.
Hey hey again Steven!
The Sony ZV series definitely the perfect youtube creators camera, hands down. Panasonics G100... that was an embarrassment when they said it was a content creators camera.
I’m still perfectly happy with the duo GH4 and GH5 + Nokton 10.5mm and 25mm f0.95 for the video work I do. For my personal use in photography I will buy the OM1, and maybe I will use the OM1 for video and stills professionally and sell the Lumix cameras.
Very good and thoughtful review. Thanks so much. I knew you would have good commentary on this new camera.
It really looks impressive. I, like you, like shooting video, and really am a fan of MFT cameras.
The linear focus, pro res, and audio with their XLR attachment, plus better dynamic range make this an ideal camera for my purposes.
Two things are of concern.
I like to shoot manual focus most of the time. So, first, how good is the peaking?
It's, at best, mediocre on the S1H, and practically useless on the S1---and none of these cameras, including the GH5, allows you to punch in to get critical focus while recording.
in contrast, the Fujifilm X-T4 has state of the art peaking---the best I know of, period, and you can move the focus box, punch in, and achieve critical focus while rolling---anytime. It's fantastic. But fuji has almost no lenses with linear focus.
My quandary would be which to pick, the GH6 or the XH2---a camera I've waited for for a LONG TIME. The XH1 was and remains the most ideal camera body---I loved shooting with it.
From a practical point of view, I'm probably going to buy the GH6, because of the XLR feature for youtube videos. But we'll see. The XH2 won't be shown until a few months later, so I'll have time to think about it.
If the GH6 AF is better it's the top candidate for shooting youtube talking head stuff. I use the S1H and for talking head it's really very good---and the GH6 improves I think there will be little to complain about for filmmakers and those who are primarily video oriented. Just wish the Panasonic had Olympus colors...they are excellent. Which leads me to my last concern: I wonder if the GH6 will have a color science that will match the S!h??? Hopefully, that will be addressed this week.
I like the low light of the S5 too much to switch but it looks nice for those still using MFT!
raw camera on the go awesome
Panasonic Out-Of-Focus system never stops trying to find something to focus on. Even in a well lit scene with a static subject in the foreground, focus breathing will never stop.
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It is unfortunate. The GH6 with its focus limitation area may work for some youtubers who need it in a pinch for talking heads, but at that point other cameras would still be the better bet for hybrid creators. Panasonic, in my opinion, is just a powerhouse operators camera rather than a self creator camera.
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Waiting for your review after the 22nd of February
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It'll definitely be a busy day looking and analyzing all the pre-embargo reviewers. I'm not sure if I will maybe eventually rent a GH6 to do my own review, but we'll see!
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good review...liked your thoughts at the end. i.e. is it worth it given money is tight. again ALL depends on AF, which this upcoming week we will find out about in real tests. thnx MARTY SENDER YOU TUBE.
Technically, it IS a "Hybrid" Autofocus System: You got your DFD autofocus, and you got your totally blurry autofocus. Put 'em together and you got Panasonic Hybrid Autofocus (also called "PHA" which I am told is pronounced as "Fuh".) And I own both an S1 and an S5, so no, I am not just a Sony Fanboy.
Hey hey again Merin!
Haha the true hybrid focus right there.
@@TLDR_filmmaker With Panasonic NOT putting PDAF in the GH6, I really don't know how much longer they are going to be making cameras for. I keep thinking of getting an a7 IV, and if it had 4K 60p in full frame I probably would, but I guess for now I will just stick with the S1 / S5 and invest in a decent follow focus system. I still have my Sony a6500 and a few aps-c lenses if I absolutely need good autofocus (although Sony 8-bit colors make me sad).
@@marinrealestatephotography Nikon could be a solid contender if they chuck the Z9 processor in all their 3rd gen bodies. Seeing they have no A7S3 or cine line to protect, who knows, maybe there will be a Z6iii with full frame 4k60p.
Re the 4 channel audio aspect, does the GH6 allow you to record 2 channels from the XLR add on & the built in 3.5mm (2 channel) input simultaneously?
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Yes, you use the 3.5mm simultaneously. At the moment there is no way to change the Gain on each channel (3.5mm) not sure if they will give you that option in a future firmware update or if you'd have to add your own passive preamp to it for more finite control.
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I’m pretty sure all of the Leica lenses and the 2.8 zooms are supported but idk about much else. The GH5mkii had this feature so there’s a list out there!
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Ah that is true, I honestly didn't not pay much attention to the GH5ii as I didn't know why Panasonic went that route until the GH6 came. Someone did confirm that there is a official list of lenses that are capable with that feature, I have yet to check it just yet.
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@@TLDR_filmmaker I was pretty underwhelmed but the longer time goes on the more I appreciate that camera, might even pick one up mostly for the 4k60 10bit
Is the screen any nits brighter? Will it be easier/possible to see in sunlight?
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I have no idea, my guess is its probably about the same as usual for these screens.
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I would like to be able to shoot 5.7K. But being able to capture through the USB-C to a Samsung T7 drive like the BM 4K and 6K is a big deal to me. Also BRAW to USB-C or HDMI to my Video Assist 12G would be great. I currently have BRAW over HDMI with my GH5S's. I also want to know if they will come out with another version of the GH6 like they did with the GH5S. I wish Panasonic would have let people know the GH5S was coming when I bought my Gh5. I would have waited.
There are adapters where you put a card in the slot but the wire comes out. Not ideal but can work
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That is the question if there will be a GH6s, if there is... I'm not entirely sure what they would do to differentiate the two systems. Probably more codec options at minimum, not sure if they would drop the megapixels in that sensor, and hopefully they don't take away IBIS.
As for the Card with a wire that comes out, that has some limitations in terms of what bitrate you are recording at. The higher the bitrate it won't be able to keep up because the Cfast B port does not supply enough power to the M.2 SSD. This was confirmed by a couple review. I was sad to see that, I thought a company finally cheated the system haha!
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Same here! Everything you said I feel! My GH5S looks bmpcc4k good to me.
“Leaked”!
Leaked my arse that was a deliberate marketing move!
Sooooooo blatant. It’s done to create “buzz”…
😂💀
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Orrr... someone done messed up, and his name is A-A-ron 😆
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Panasonic really needs to add hybrid AF so Lumix cameras could focus properly with Olympus/OM lenses.
It would also be nice if OM did the same but the need is not as pressing.
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I agree. Panasonic still not making a change after years of people wanting a truly hybrid creators type of camera, I think it's safe to say that if people were wanting to switch they can go ahead and switch. For filmmakers that are purely behind the camera all the time, Panasonic is still the best camera for those needs as Sony seemingly refuses to give us more pro-video tools even in a Sony A7Siii... which I'm not particularly happy about, but I can make do.
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@@TLDR_filmmaker Heck, they don't even offer pro video tools in the FX3 which can't even hardly take stills! It's so unbelievable.
I'll probably pick this camera up because I haven't actually migrated away to full frame because I really don't shoot nearly that much and my go to DoP has two c70 bodies and a mountain of glass I can borrow just about any time I want. But yeah, if I was doing most of my own shooting I think I would've left m43 because it just took WAY too long for them to release anything new in the format. And that just bums me out. But hey! Yes to a TL;DR livestream tomorrow! 😁
Also +1 on ProRes LT. Looooove that codec. Like hell am I doing anything in h265. 😣
Hey hey again Kit!
It seemed like they said something about more prores codecs, not sure if we'll get LT. I think they just mean more Prores Resolution options instead of just opengate.
Better low light was all I wanted tbh
Hey! It’s been a long time! As someone who used to have the Panasonic cameras like the GH5, GH5s and the S1H and now moved to Sony ecosystem, I’m very impressed with the specs for the GH6. Sure, I do miss the Panasonic video quality, but I’ve made the decision to stick with one mount, which is the E-Mount. I may not go back to Panasonic but I’ll be waiting to see what artists will do with the GH6. I might rent the camera in the future since I still do have few M43 lenses.
Big fan of your work 👍
Hey hey again MohdFikree!
It has been a long time! Hope you're doing well! The specs are definitely a huge step for someone thats still in the GH camp! I am genuinely excited for people still in the eco system. I too would rather just be in one mount, the E-mount is just too versatile across the entire Sony lineup. However I will be keeping my eye on how the GH6 performs after incoming firmware updates, something tells me they may not have shown everything just yet. If I use MFT for cinema work, it will be the BMPCC 4k (mk2?) and GH6 working together. One for tripod and supported shots, the other for handheld run and gun shots!
@@TLDR_filmmaker I just had this amazing idea if owning the Panasonic GH6 for production uses, if I'm to get all IRIX Cine EF lenses with the Fotodiox ND Throttle (EF-MFT) and also with the Atomos Ninja V+ to record up to 4K 120p in Apple ProRes RAW, it'll be the best compact cinema camera, even beating the Blackmagic Pocket 6K Pro.
Really great thoughts? Braw internal might just seal the deal but everything else just seems ok compared to what the GH5 did to the camera market when released. As you said there are other cams like the Sony which would work just as well. I think the S5 is a better deal second hand than the GH6 right now.
Amen! I have both the S1H & GH5, as well as Canon R5. The S1H mostly sits on the shelf. I love that camera, but as a run & gun shooter, AF matters... a lot. I shoot a lot of moving subjects and I can't manual focus those types of shots. I'll wait to see how it works in the real world, but this could be the end of Panny for me. Sad, because of love Lumix in every other way.
@@stevemiller9852 preach! Couldn’t have said it better, AF is such an important factor!
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Internal Braw would be awesome. But yes, agree with everyone about AF. I know I got dunked on when I was considering switching over to Sony because of AF. It is such a great tool for many reasons and some people just refuse to think a "real filmmaker" would use it. I say a "real filmmaker" uses tools that works for their needs and not fuss about trying to get 10 takes just to get it right, money is tight these days. For me AF works great for narrative scenes where the actors are somewhat confined in a small acting area, with AF they are free to rock back and forth all they want to let their character move. Much more organic of a scene when you let them get into it.
Look forward to see this new Panasonic Beast, I really hope Panasonic sorts their AF this time 😊
Hey hey Qippy!
Long time no chat on the CH! It is quite impressive that they made this big of a jump in features and codecs from the GH5, I'll be curious to see if there are any surprise features coming in firmware that they did not talk about.
@@TLDR_filmmaker yeah man, been a while 😊 , something tells me if AF isn’t a super big thing then then is the only achilles heel of this camera, albeit it has been much improved 👍
Hopefully once the embargo lifts, we'll finally see if the GH6 solved autofocus. This year could be the year of the crop sensor cameras, but the OM-1 was already disappointing, the GH6 is promising for the most part, Fujifilm dual X-H2 releases would be the last exciting thing for crop sensors for a while. Waiting on the Fujifilm summit in May before I pull any triggers on lens/camera purchases since there is a chance that one of the two new X-H2 models could be a global shutter sensor. If they all disappoint, I might have to end up going with the A7iv :(
Hey hey again Professional Potato!
Definitely, I think we'll see some promising ish results and another firmware update may get it closer. Really we just need the DFD system to stop Guess Checking so much and use more AI movement recognition. I haven't looking as much into Fuji since their XT-3 I think? I love their color and they do have a lot of things going for it, I think I was waiting for them to give more video centric features. Not entirely sure if I would ever jump into fuji as my primary working camera, but I do want to see them shake up the video market and get other companies to give us more of what we want in a video camera.
Honestly, as much as I love Panasonic. Sony in my opinion is the overall winner because the E-mount system is just not rivaled. The fact they have kept just one mount this entire time across their whole camera lineup makes so much sense why they have the most 3rd party lenses on the market. It also makes your upgrading path in their eco system so much easier.
@@TLDR_filmmaker I was really really hoping that Panasonic was going to figure out how to make the GH6 an L mount camera. Doesn’t seem like it’s going to happen. Even if it’s through an adapter/speed booster similar to how Canon made adapters for their new mirrorless line.
Being able to use L mount lenses on the GH6 would be fantastic because you could finally mix and match their camera systems. I prefer a full frame look, but I’d definitely be interested in a m43 for other things if I didn’t have to have a whole set of different lenses.
If Panasonic did that, and maybe even figured out their own version of the drop in ND filter adapter like Canons, it would do so much to unify their system the same way Sony has with E-Mount.
Wishful thinking though. Wishful thinking.
@@TLDR_filmmaker Totally agree. Fujifilm feels like something in between Panasonic and Sony. Like they realize their mistakes and they're trying to implement more video features, but they have a lot of catching up to do especially in terms of autofocus, and lenses. I hope their next generation is much better. The current quirks are similar to the A7iv, like a crop in 4k60p down to 1.77x crop factor, or 1.94x with Digital IS Boost (similar to Panasonic's "handheld tripod" mode). I'm currently testing the Viltrox speedbooster to see if having a parfocal Sigma 18-35 is worth the sharpness loss.
I can't bear to leave Fuji, especially after seeing how close Fujifilm can look like a Black Magic in terms of colour and rendering. While Sony may not have my favourite colour out of camera, but if I'm going to use something for work, I think Sony has a rather neutral look that is easy to grade. The issue with the a7iv is that I pretty much need both APS-C and FF zooms as a hybrid shooter which means carrying more lenses. That is making me second guess a move to full frame.
I'm also keeping an eye out for the 3rd gen Nikons where I think that's where they will start shining, just like how Sony only took off from the 3rd gen. The new Z9 processor can bring some crazy magic and the affordable f/1.8 primes look great.
In the leaked Emark video, he was also shooting AFS instead of a continuous mode. It would have been better to actually see how it performed with that simple test in AFC mode.
I heard someone mention that in video mode, tracking works even in AFS. Apparently it's the same as the GH5ii
@@professionalpotato4764 yeah but tracking wasn't activated. The box around his face would have had a different design. It changes as soon as you press down the AF joystick to start the tracking in AF-S
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Hmm interesting catch, hopefully as initial reviewers come out of embargo tomorrow that we see a AF-C mode test and cross our fingers that what we saw in the leaked video is just user error. We shall see!
Cameras usually are able to record prores while making less heat than other codecs, since it is not processor heavy. I've personally tested this on my zcam cameras.
Yes. The less compressed codecs like Prores, Braw, and all-intra formats require less internal processing, so use less battery and create less heat. But they do create larger files needing more storage.
Most modern cameras are even capable of saving full uncompressed video raw. Why don't they? The most logical reason is market segmentation. Protecting their higher priced cinema cameras.
@@Trevellian Not sure about that part. Even compressed red raw is massive. Completely uncompressed raw at just 4k 60fps is 8Gbps, which is already above the capably of usbc. These days cameras are recording up to 8k at 60fps equaling over 30Gbps. Doesn't seem possible
Matt Frazer of Panasonic has mentioned in the past that recording to XQD and CFExpress cards causes a lot of heat, which is one reason the Panasonic S1 doesn't record prores internal (despite having an XQD / CFExpress card slot). The S1H, while having a more robust active cooling system, only has two SD card slots, and no XQD / CFExpress card slot.
@@hufman9807 The cameras are already handling that data rate at the beginning of their imagine pipeline, before debayering and compression.
The data rates of the storage medium may not be allow recording raw continuously at all supported frame rates and resolutions, but they certainly have the capability to output raw video at lower frame rates or with a crop. Yet none of them do.
My smartphone can output RAW video. Not for long, and not at maximum resolution, but it can do it.
And with USB 4.0's 40Gbps, direct writing to NVME SSDs would allow 4k 60 raw and more. But again, none of the major camera makers with the exception of BlackMagic permit USB saving.
@@marinrealestatephotography .
Frazer is usually a straight shooter, but that Prores heat comment sounds a bit like marketing spin. CFExpress, XQD, and SD cards all use the same NAND flash chips. And while the process of writing to them does create heat, it's all just data for the chips. They don't get more hot when writing one codec over another.
It's possible that flash being written at its maximum sustained bitrate might get slightly hotter. And some of less compressed ProRes codecs do have higher bitrates. But if that's what he's saying, it wouldn't prevent Panasonic from allowing the use of the lower bitrate ProRes codecs on cameras like the S1.
I´m still more than happy with my GH5, the GH6 is tempting, 600Mbit/s sounds like great quality, but if I use it I would need to buy 3 times as many harddisks per year for it... So for me it´s not the right time now.
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The hybrid LCD tilt/flip screen is amazing! I was really hoping for it when they announced the GH6 last year
they need to release a BGH-6 with built in ND...
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Man... I would looooove me some built in ND in any camera this size. I thought after BMPCC 6K pro added it that some companies will start to do it haha.
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Was hoping the GH6 would give me a reason to keep my M43 lenses. But DFD autofocus for a video camera in 2022? C'mon Panasonic, use phase detect.
Waited a year for the GH6 before going to Sony. Glad I didn't wait any longer.
to think they had like 5 years at their disposal to perfect their af system. do they really think people will wait another 5 til 2027 when they just might switch to phase? 700$ zv e10 probably has better af and dynamic range than gh6 at 2500. even a6300 from 2016 seems to be better (or at best the same) in terms of strictly af/lowlight/dynamicrange than gh6 in 2022...
i saw somewhere they said gh6 is for content creators. isnt that youtube and vloggers? how is that af suitable for them? how is prores at 1900mbps suitable? nice for them to include 1900, but who's gonna use it? from what i see, there are people (maybe not most, but probably many? not sure, though) that use 150mbps on their gh5 even with the all-intra 400 available, because its too much data and doesnt make a much difference. how exactly are they gonna use 1900mbps? if it's a cinema camera, then they should not call it content creator camera, and they shouldve included nd and other options inside.
i dunno, but this af thing has gotten really frustrating, and especially the nerve they have of not acknowledging that it sucks and needs to be replaced.
Yeah same boat here. Been waiting for them to fix the Autofocus on this great camera and after 5 years, still the same BS.
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It is true, Panasonic not just getting ride of DFD or at least make a hybrid AF with Phase points or use LiDar tech just SOMETHING to give us more hope that it can be better... it is frustrating. I do feel the GH6 autofocus will be "good enough" for certain situations, but it won't be a tool I would trust unless I was in a very specific situation. With Sony I know I can freely jump to AF if I need to as its such a viable usable tool. At the end of the day, Panasonic is a great operators camera, not a youtubers camera where they are in front of it. If I never showed my face and was always behind a Panasonic camera, I probably woulda never switch to Sony. But alas, I need the ability to jump between MF and AF freely.
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I'm waiting for Blackmagic to release a new camera that will blow all cameras out of the water. :)
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I believe it, their 3rd gen cameras are really something. Their 4th generation is probably going to make most switch over if they primarily work in commercial or film (without AF). If they do have decent video AF...well that will really be something. Cmon LiDar!!
for me the 120fps 4k is what is attracting me
Dual native iso plus IBIS for me. Perfect for my video and photo shooting style with ultrafast glass
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120p is definitely a great feature for those special shots. Panasonic IBIS is just magical, its what I miss the most going over to Sony.
Power delivery seems 100% possible
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I do believe that PD over USB-C is possible, pretty sure the S5 had this feature. I so hope that SSD recording is in the cards, otherwise I have no idea why they are using a USB-C 3.2 gen port.
The autofocus should be about as good on the one on my Panasonic Air-conditioner.
me, the s5 has good af using the same system in 1080p. Lots of big reviewers pointed out that the 1080p af was great. If they managed to improve on that performance and what modes it is in here on the gh6 then we should have a much improved AF system. Not that I care, I don't own any af glass anyways.
@@cheeeeezewizzz I think, when people say that Panasonic autofocus is good, it’s not really that is particularly good, it’s just because peoples expectations are so low now. It won’t even be at Canon 70D level, which is 9 years old.
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On a serious note, the only odd thing about Panasonics AF system is that it is just not good when face-eye detect is activated. The only mode that produces decent results is the "1-area" mode. I have used this for very basic b-roll shots and it works and sticks to whatever I put in that focus box. However if a face is in that box, it won't work...smh.
Very true, Panasonics AF is still not anywhere near the 70d... which is just crazy.
At the end of the day, for hybrid creators who do solo youtube and film work. The Panasonic just doesn't fit the bill, Panasonic is a great behind the camera tool.
Can anyone recommend a fullframe lense for the Panasonic S5 that has OIS. Is the any third party lenses that still play with dual OIS?
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Unfortunately I have no idea what lenses are around aside from Panasonics alliance with Sigma. You'll need to understand what focal lengths you need for the type of work you want to do as everyone has different ideas of what is a recommended lens. I have an older video that walks through what I believe are the steps you need to take to know what lens to buy: ua-cam.com/video/XzHW45n_XqI/v-deo.html
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@@TLDR_filmmaker Thanks for getting back to me love the channel I've been following you for a while. To be honest I was just looking for any lens with OIS. Preferably a zoom. But there seems to be literally nothing around which is surprising to m with the L-Mount alliance and all. This is what will kill the Panasonic S5 IMHO. It's a really great camera and the AF is even decent. At least I've been getting good if not consistent results. But for some I think a lack of lens choice regarding Dual I.S. without having to pay funny money will I suspect be a deal breaker for most.
gh7 will be full frame sensor m43 mount lol
If the AF is as good or better than the S5 it will be good enough for most.
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I think so too, we'll see how well it works when the official firmwares are out and we can see how they tweak their algorithm further. The biggest problem is that the AI needs to constantly check and recheck all the time, giving us that wobble. If they can figure out a way for it to just trust whats going on and get close enough until the subject stops or slowed down in the frame, it may be good enough. That being said, I look forward to seeing 3rd party companies that are not tied to a camera company to develop a stand alone LiDar wireless and wired focus module. DJI Ronin 4d is think is proving it works, now we just need another company to sweep it and make it work for any camera that has a lenses with linear-wire or mechanical focus!
I already do have a dual ISO 800/2500 in my GH5s. So it looks like a downgrade to me😬 😁 And noise? I never had issues with noise. Does the new sensor need this? Than it‘s a downgrade also. So let‘s wait and see…
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The GH5s is a much lower pixel sensor compared to the GH5 and now the GH6, so its ISO performance is going to be much better in this regard. Not sure how well the GH6 will match in ISO performance against the GH5s. The v-log ISO 250 and 2000 is actually not the same as the GH5s dual ISO stages, the GH6 only has one stage for its ISO.
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Still has ibis, no braw, no sdi... it has some great stuff going for it, prores raw is better than nothing, but i'll stick with the gh4 until the gh7.
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No b-raw... yet. I know the launch video they said they don't know, but I have a good feeling it will be coming. This camera is essentially a MFT S1H, so I'm sure Blackmagic will work to get it going with Panasonic.
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@@TLDR_filmmaker thank you for the kind words and i'll be happy to stick around. The gh5 was hardly a bad camera and nor is this. The updates are just a bit "meh" for me. Keeping ibis is just a killer, though. Still, it could be a great first camera for someone before they move on to more pro models.
Once again, will it or won't it AF?
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We'll find out tomorrow and after their first firmware update to "tweak" the AF algorithm. But at the end of the day, it'll AF 75-80% of the time probably. Sigh.
I thought the GH6 would be something like an update for the GH5S wich turns out... is not? It is kind of a weird camera to make after the release of the GH5II. I sincerely think that, at this point (with all the full frame thing going on), the best camera to buy for making video/shorts/narrative/whatever (in a low budget) is the BMPCC 6K (+ nice lenses), if not, just rent whatever the production may need,it has amazing image quality with a APSC/S35 sensor (the best in my opinion, a nice middle point), great dynamic range, weird but workable form factor and the great black magic ecosystem.
I'm a GH5S user and I've been working with the camera for personal and professional video/narrative/photography/youtube/having fun/ enjoying a well made camera. I still think is a amazing machine, it works and never fails, which is something important.
Also, the Netflix approved thing I think is more a marketing thing that anything else, but still great to have I suppose.
Nice video, I enjoyed your talk.
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Glad you enjoyed this analysis video! I agree that the BMPCC systems are probably the best cine like cameras that punch so hard at their price point. I too loved my time with the GH5, my team shot 4 features films on that camera and it performed like non-other in every way. AF of course was not a concern since we were all behind the camera with decent lenses that made pulling focus easier (non fly-by-wire). I did use my GH5 for youtube for a couple of years and it was ok, but I could never move my head otherwise I'd get out off focus haha. If I never started youtube, I probably would have never switched to Sony, but alas I like the flexibility of the AF for me to freely move around compared to my old videos where I looked trapped.
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Anamorphic shooters rejoice!
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Its mindboggling to think, that panasonic STILL cripplehammers their amazing cameras with this dumb autofocus... yeez... why the heck do they stick so stubborn to it? Its literally the ONLY reason Canon and Sony are completely taking the field... why panny? Your cams are amazing, why cripple them? WHY?
The autofocus has gotten pretty good on Panasonic cameras. It might not be as good ad Sony but Panasonic also had a lot better stabilization and less rolling shutter.
@@CheapCharlieChronicles i know, i have started filmmaking based on a GH5 and loved the thing. The issue is, that its very inconsistent, it cant be trusted, and it rly. struggles in shots with little or fast movement. For me its just absolutely not understandable, why panasonic wont just add in a few phase detect points to make a hybrid af that would solve all the issues.
Rolling shutter & IBIS are currently exceeded/matches by Sonys a7s3 (in „active“ mode). Yes, its more expensive, but also Full-Frame, better Lenses and so on…im NOT a Panasonic hater, quite the opposite, but they hamper their cameras so heavily by this, it blows my mind.
Yes. If Panasonic's full frame cameras had competitive autofocus, would never have moved to Sony. Would have purchased an S1H and probably the GH6 as well.
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At this point I think it's just safe to say that Panasonic is only going to focus on DP's who are behind the camera primarily and operating it, Canon is going to be more photo centric on their non-cinema lined cameras. Sony will be the best hybrid content creator / cinematographer camera but will never give you the video exposure tools that Panasonic gives, even though it is so easy with a software update. As frustrating as this is, at this point Sony knows it's winning the market because they went after the largest group of people, youtubers and live streamers. Panasonic either doesn't want to really enter that space or there is some long term DFD vision they are trying to reach but technology hasn't caught up to it yet for us to see what its truly capable of.
Either way, if AF is a tool that someone needs, they gotta look elsewhere for now.
I hope it is Netflix approved.
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I feel it is. The only things that are required is generally C4k and high bitrate uncompressed recording formats. The C4K requirement in my opinion is very odd as netflix has plenty of shows in UHD 4k for delivery, weird.
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@@TLDR_filmmaker thank you! Timecode is a requirement as well.
300 fps at 1080P!!!!
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Yes yes! For that suuuuper slow motion!
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480FPS? NO? :(
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No, no 480fps. Just up to 300fps in 1080p.
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No autofocus. Again.
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Sadly, yes :( . But I do have some hope when we see a couple firmware version later. Because of the internal high sensor readout, we may get closer to a "usable" AF but probably still not a sticky as Sony or Canon.
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Hmm. After The release of the Komodo. Might be a wrap for everyone else.. As far as for filmmakers…
Sure... if you've got the money to invest in the Red ecosystem. But it's kind of pointless to pretend anyone can.
@@thesurfacelevelgamer oh. Yes. I definitely don’t have one. Im still on Black Magic myself. But the Komodo is within reach for the real hungry people in the business. Just had to pass up a film gig. They wanted Red. I only have Black. Black Magic. Great camera though.
I hate RED but it's a brand thing. So it's Canon Cinema Cameras when I have to rent a more "Pro" cam for me
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RED is definitely up there in price range, once you get into that tier of cameras's its most likely you are working in a much larger production team that either contain an off site CGI/VFX house. Otherwise I would say that Black Magic is probably the cheapest cine-level camera out there, the quality and features they have at that price is killer. If I went back to MFT as my primary mount, then the GH6 and BMPCC 4k makes sense (I need IBIS for some action sequences).
No DFD is there. Maybe means no. Phase detect even if you have to steal it from someone. Hey Sony, Canon, heck even OM labs. Daft Focus Detect. Keeps from me wanting one. Contrast Detect in 2022. I here what is old still is. Panasonic disappointing result. A camera with so much more more intelligence. Computational photography maybe? What are these guys waiting for. MFT could kill it if Computational photography is used, you know like smartphones.
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Agreed. I think at this point Panasonic is only wanting a camera that is strictly for camera operators and not for hybrid creators that move between self filming and film jobs. This unfortunately kills their potential market that they created with the GH3 - GH5. At this point everyone has moved over to Sony and some to Canon that are hybrid creators, which is a large large market because of youtube and live streaming.
I love m43 for video, but I truly believe that once 8k becomes more popular m43 will be officially dead. I wouldn’t invest in m43 at this point.
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That's a good point, unless they have a really efficient processor in the camera to handle the megapixels, it might not be able to handle much. MFT is getting to its last leg it seems, even though I think its the best cine camera sensor next to the APS-C. Full frame is nice and all, but I don't believe its the end all be all.
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@@TLDR_filmmaker Excellent video and channel, I agree that m43 has advantages over full frame. Full frame isn’t the only way. However, I think (but could be wrong) that it is likely impossible to produce a m43 sensor with the 33-35mpx of resolution necessary for 8k. Even if it is possible, the pixel density of an m43, 35mpx sensor would be insane. Unlike anything we’ve seen in the industry so far and image quality would likely be poor.
I think the only limitation is technology. Sensor size has nothing to do with it. I believe we will see 8k even in smartphone sensors, which are much smaller.
@@TITAOSTEIN possibly, but there is a limit to how small you can make a sensor pixel. If you extrapolate the density of a m43, 33mpx sensor to full frame you would have a 125mpx full frame sensor. At that density, the noise would be bad on a full frame camera. Even if m43 can accommodate 8k it won’t be ideal. I think APS-C has a brighter future than m43, but if you are a hybrid shooter looking for a future proof solution, full frame is probably the way to go.
Hahaa.. I wished proress from panik sonik sometimes ago… but I ditched the brand sometine ago and changed to voodoo aparat. So nooooo panik sonik again.
Mainly ditched it bekause h.264 only..
only beef I have with this voodoo kamera is the form faktor.
And it aint gh5 2, its gh5s
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It is interesting that prores is showing up in a GH camera now, not sure what this means for the future in the S-series and potentially if there is a GH6s?
@@TLDR_filmmaker maybe box shaped gh6 (maybe even s) and maybe braw, like in those FF panik sonik kameras. Or mebbe not if its preserved only those FF versions.
But personally Im excited about the box kamera that voodoo kompany is supposedly building… I sooooooo wait for interchangeable lens mounts and s35 sensor like in that 6k kamera.
Before I've even watched your video... My opinion... The GH6 is 2 years to late to mean anything - not enough to justify itself... The dynamic range trick it does is a gimmick. No low light. No 13 or 14 stops dynamic range. I give up on Panasonic. We're still gonna be craving better low light. ISO 2000 is trash for daylight... Don't cuss me out... But I'm in this for the image quality... Bmpcc4k it is - I don't care about AF. After watching your video... Lol... No change in opinion... Not that you were trying to convince me - but overall... Panasonic just ain't even considered catching up to what's out there - low light, dynamic range, auto focus, raw... Looks like they tried to go sideways. A7S3 is what the GH5S was.
the channel is called tldr, yet the content is long. you need to shorten it. btw im new here.
watch the others :) he does a great job giving the break down and all you need to know in the first 30sec, then elaborating for the rest of the video. this one was unusual. have a great day!
It is only this video. And i am glad that he took his time here, best analysis of the leaked specs on UA-cam!
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The old style on the channel was extremely frantic in the first 30 seconds, the past few months I have started trying to condense my review videos without a crazy TLDR section. Reason being is that youtube is finally punishing me for having viewers leave after 30 seconds. Whenever I do a video that is a deep discussion piece like camera analysis or creatives philosophy, I take away the TLDR because there isn't a way to relay a depth of complex multi vantage point information without completely confusing the viewer.
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