The Wests & Sydney Cooke - Jon Wedger And Ron S - Crime Theory 5
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This has become my favourite channel for a podcast...Just brilliant...Love Jon Wedger could listen to him all day so much knowledge and great guy.
I've read that book called Playland by Anthony Daly. It was a horrifying read and I feel for all of those poor boys abused at the Dilly as it was called. I won't call them rent boys or prostitutes as it's impossible for children to be those things in my opinion. They cannot consent. I believe them, having been sexually abused as a child myself, I know how far evil adults will go to abuse and destroy someone weaker than themselves. It never leaves you.
I read the book too, it was heartbreaking .
I'd safely say that a lot of us listening to JW are survivors and thrivers of csa! Hope life is kinder to you from hereon in.
I'm sorry that happened to you I hope your life is good now ❤
Well said: "child pr9stitution" is impossible word-wise. It's allways allways slavery and rape.
I wonder what people knew about Cook at the time. My dear late mum always insisted, made me promise on my life not to go near the fairground on my own when it was visiting our town!! She was clearly on the money bless her.
Yes..i always remember the real dodgy characters hanging around near the toilets in porthcawl, my father hsd a caravan in trecco bay so i was always going over the fair on my own and being aware of perverts they stood out a mile.
@@chrisnewton9081 Dont confuse gay cruising with the child predators on fairs, sea side, swimming pools, holiday camps, under 16s coaches, centre parks, fun fairs, amusement arcades... actually thats a fair list.
Bless your mum ❤
So, I'm a psychology student and I was recently horrified to find out two things about police officers. The first, is that there is a cap (limit) of how intelligent an officer of the law can be. At least in America, you can be disqualified for having an above average intelligence. The second was learning about psychopathic traits- specifically the lack of guilt, remorse or compassion. If one is high in those traits, they are HIGHLY ENCOURAGED to join the police force or become doctors, specifically surgeons. That leaves a systematic loophole for dumb and remorseless individuals to be in higher concentration amongst the police force. That seems counterproductive to what a good cop should be. Yes, they can quickly save 20 by sacrificing one at the blink of an eye, but the likelihood for greedy, power-hungry, bribable cops to look the other way is high. Jon, you are so smart and doing great work. I wish more cops were like you.
Do you have sources for that please?
@@hereiam587 Two of my college textbooks and one hour long talk from a professor and expert on psychopathic traits, look up Eysenck and the P-scale. He's still referenced in college criminal justice courses, it's basically from the personality trait theorists. Unfortunately he had some very biased research regarding race and IQ but H. Eysenck brought us a way to measure psychopathic traits and other professionals and experts have expanded on the information. More recently Jordan Peterson has talked about the traits regarding extroversion and disagreeable personality traits overlapping with Psychopathic traits, but that's also challenged. I also read, watch and listen to a lot of professors and experts regarding forensic psychology. A big factor in what I have read and researched is when these traits are identified, it's important to guide the individual to where they will succeed and cause the least amount of harm while playing into their strengths.
If you would like a quicker reference, a recent WIRED interview with a forensic psychologist backs me up on the presence of psychopathy in law enforcement.
the word "hero" gets flung around far to easily... not in Jon Wedgers case....
Rip Jason swift, Barry Lewis and the unknown others who lost their lives to the hands of these excuses of human life and the establishments that did little or nothing to ensure justice was served.
Unbearably sad that adults abuse children in this way. Their lack of humanity is frightening.
abomination
My favourite two men, Jon Wedger and Ron S, so much knowledge. Great listening, thank you for all your work to protect our children.
Thanks for listening
If only more coppers were like you Mr Jon Wedger, massive Respect to you man you certainly know your stuff…
Protecting these scum.. shielding this filth from prosecution is as evil as the crime itself .
Years ago, I spoke to someone who used to be a local journalist who reported on the case & they said that there was a lot more that could potentially come out about their crimes & about people in the community that may have witnessed or taken part in illegal activities at their house etc. Wasn’t it said that he was about to spill more info just before he killed himself? This case always gets to me - I went to school not too far away & remember when it happened. I even once went to see a mate in Gloucester years after and we were walking back to her house and she said ‘Do you know where you are right now?’ Turns out we were walking right over where 25 Cromwell St. used to be. Gave me chills that did. 😐
Unfortunately Rose West now 69 and Sidney Cooke now 96 are both still alive! 😡🤬🤢🤮
Wow I didn't know Cooke was still alive I hope he's miserable .
It's happening in any street, your street, all the time. It's terrifying
Thankyou Shaun for providing this shocking, eye opening content. As a parent it is grim viewing but vital to be armed with the knowledge of how these creatures operate so we can do more to keep our precious children safe. Ron S, top man! Jon Wedger is a true saint. Thankyou gents.
Hey mate /Shaun after hearing your story I am blown away how tuff you had it and yet you pulled through . You really are an inspiration to us all and a lesson as well . As you well know we all don't make it through the shit you have and I really hope your finding some peace after all . I can very much identify and have a lot of respect for what your doing now .
All the best to you . ❤
@@joeytorrey6293 hahaha I was talking about Shaun aha . All the best to u too!
Stop interrupting Jon
He always does it
Jeez is that what the annoying background noise is, he sounds like he is educationally sub normal as we are taught not to do that. Why have guests on a shoe if you can't stop speaking over them. I know never to watch anything of his again.
I've read so much about these vile men.. Poor Jason never stood a chance.😤.. How could they abduct Mark and Barry, in daylight 😢.. So sad for these poor kids.. 🙏
Jason Swift had a horrific death. I remember one of the killers saying he had a single tear rolling down his cheek as they killed him. That poor poor boy, that detail really broke my heart. There will never be enough justice for the Dirty Dozen's victims.
Brilliant and eye opening podcast. Thank you both. Lots I didn't no. Fascinating. May God Bless and protect you Jon and Ron. ❤
Thanks for listening
I don't know how Jon manages to sleep at night knowing everything he does, it's a deeply disturbing thing just to listen too not alone be there see evidence and listen to first hand accounts
Brilliant comment
or makes up
Hes had an awful lot of training but if an average person was to see it no doubt they would lose their lives.
The more you hear about something the more desensitised you get to it
Jon has said before, his faith in Jesus has protected him and seen him through! God bless and keep you Jon.
It's quite stressful and disturbing hearing about these evil perverts. I watched a terrible programme on ITV X last night, the ' Secrets of the Bay City Rollers ' outlining the abuse they suffered at the hands of their manager Tam Paton and others. I loved this group as a young girl and all this was going on in the background.
Next The Sound of Freedom is being released in the UK next month will it get an airing in mainstream cinemas who knows. When will it all end .
Bay City Rollers, Les the singer ran a child over drunk driving. hit n run. finished them off as a group.
@@SuperLisalis I remember it was reported as an elderly woman who was hit and killed. It got relatively little publicity and the group had continued success after that. Unless of course you're talking of another incident not reported in the press.
I'm referring to the shocking sexual abuse outlined in the programme.
Les the singers brothers is a well known grass in edinburgh.
I watched The Sound of Freedom on YT
@@annychest718 can you send link please
I remember having nightmares about Sidney Cooke when I was a kid... I must've been about 6 or 7 and remember overhearing the 6 o'clock news that this serial child killer was going to be let out of prison, and housed somewhere in the country. It absolutely terrified me. I was scared to go to sleep, convinced he was going to break in through my bedroom window.
Sorry ❤️ xx I was abused too I still get fearful am 58
Are u getting any help support
@Pinkcandy777 I didn't mean to give the impression I was an abuse victim. Just that hearing this monster would soon be let out of prison terrified me as a kid, and I couldn't understand why anyone would let him out of prison.
@@bluesrocker91 Absolutely. Some are just too dangerous
Just watched another mind blowing episode full of information I had never heard about before 😳 Great job boys and can’t wait for next one……There has to be people in positions of power that must be held responsible for the shambles of investigations and ridiculous sentences!
That was years ago and things are worse now 🤷🏻…….
I never fail to have my knowledge increased and my views expanded listening to Jon Wedger! His broad understanding of the underlying influences of society and the attempts to tackle issues as consequence!
I read one of the West children’s accounts of her childhood and she recalled things like Fred West saying ‘the first baby you have should always be your dad’s’ or calling his female children lesbians if they told him to get off when he was groping them. Completely messed up.
I actually lived in Gloucester when this was discovered . There was a shop in Barton Street called the Candy Shop , ran by a Jamaican Gentleman called Les Grey , a lovely mixture of people . This was obviously a hot topic in the Candy Shop , it was common knowledge that the Police frequented 25 Cromwell Street . RIP all victims 🤍
Hey! That's really interesting! Would you like to be a guest in my audio only podcast? I would love to hear your stories/memories of Gloucester. Sincerely, Patrick
@@LOLFIELDANDLOVE yes that's great .
Hi Ron and Jon, great to listen to this from Jon albeit the people he’s telling us about are utterly horrendous. Just touching on Jon’s stories regarding the sort of people Police are employing now. Back in the late 80’s In the British Army, I was mates with a PT instructor. I always remember about some point in the late 90’s early 2000’s he said to me that he had been incredibly busy of late because he was having to revise the whole physical entrance test to get into to the regiment. When I asked him “what do you mean, revise?” He said they were having to make it so much easier because the lads that were trying to get through it weren’t making the grade and the entry level was so low they were struggling for numbers. I immediately realised that the generations now by and large are not strong willed enough or have the heart in them to get through it.
Kudos to Jon for persevering in his quest for information into these horrific crimes against humanity, past and present. My immense respect for him in bringing darkness into the light.
The bit at the beginning was an eye opener for me. Having been brought up in council estates I always thought that there was a certain 'attitude'. The tie between young men going to war and coming back traumatised and living on the street was a bit of a light bulb moment and gives insight into the areas of deprevation and the attitude. Its behaviours caused by trauma passed down generationally. Very insightful, will try and look up the mentioned study.
In the first world war, all those young men were fodder for the enemy on both sides. War is money for the arms companies and our politicians have shares or own these companies so they're always hungry for war. They're piling arms into the Ukraine. All Zelensky seems interested in is joining NATO but that won't happen until the war is over.
Ron, don't f***ing talk over Jon, don't interrupt him.
Agreed. The silly sausage!!
Its a podcast not an interview, both people speak.
Some excessively and over the other person (in bad podcasts).
The most horrific book I ever read was Lambs to the Slaughter. Those evil child abusers and killer should never have breathed Gods air again. The description of sexual abuse and murder haunts me to this day. 😞
me too..those innocent children..what they went through before they eventually were killed 😭
even the police and media softened the extent of torture and abuse inflicted on these children
I was reading that book in work and my female boss asked what i was reading so i gave her a brief description so she asked if she could borrow after i finished it so i said sure...i do not know how much she read but it affected her terribly and that knocked me back a bit but i never realised how material like that can really disturb a reader.
Hi, who is the author of that book?
@@bdouglasholder6172 two blokes - ted oliver i think was one, ramsey the surname of the other. second hand paperback copies are like hens teeth and about £40.
here it is in a paragraph. the 'dirty dozen' were 'known' about from the late 60s. i've found it in a crime cypher i cracked. never just a dozen and not always the same members. their apparent lack of personal hygiene is a reference to soap (the lack of it). Cussens (imperial leather!) was the surname of the man who got off scot free in the ruth ellis murder trial in 1955. they are here because we no longer have the death penalty but the main characters are u.s. 5 families. cooke even looks like one of them, same sallow complexion, inward and slanting teeth. giancana. the mob involvement stems from murray the hump, the mobs treasurer through prohibition who got very rich. he was from caersws, mid wales (lennie smith territory) he bought a ranch and was well liked locally as he flung money from his car in the local townships and bought presents for local children. (nothing criminal about it from what i can gather). u.k. toy shop chain called Zodiac in the 50s/60s/70s and those are the ciphers i am working on.
Such monsters in this world.
You 2 are my both favourite podcasts when you get together. 🎉🎉🎉
Sidney Cook was put into our local police station in Bristol years ago, the whole estate turned up outside demanding to move him out, it was uproar, but we succeeded, they couldn't find anywhere to put him, ill never forget that.
Which station was that may I ask ?
Evil at its worse
@abigailgrady9931 as a Bristolian myself, I’m intrigued to know what police station?
Amazed he never received any prison justice one of his rats called catwesel was dealt with in prison
@@FulhamboyH I remember him, leslie Bailey, and the other one in the ring Robert Oliver..disgusting s bags.
Thank you Mr Wedger
I always get goosebumps thinking about all the abuse and murder etc that happened back then....U never know
I love true crime, and this certainly delved deeper. My love and prayers go out to all those effeted ❤️
Keep them coming Shaun as i really think the way we are in this era is absolutely soul destroying. making individual's that this happens every day of every year ( it's like its normalised) and it disgust me to the core, that is a cover up of so many horrors!
I remember ( and i spoke to my mum several years ago about it) and she said yes that happened..
So was around 1987 i was 8 years old, and lived in a ( what i thought was a secured close) i was in the garden with my brothers and a man with a bald head popped his head over the fence, 1 2 3 times, and i told my mum about it and she said i kid you not( oh maybe his from the mental health hospital a field away from where we lived)
1 week later.. we was on our roller skates with a friend over the road, and was skating up and down the close and a white car stopped in the entrance, a man with a bald head and boiler suit, tried to grab us, my friend was older and bigger then me and she screamed, screamed so loud!
And they drove off...
I remember skating back and told my dad, he was in the front garden cutting the grass. He ran down to see if anyone was there bless him!
My mum called the police and i swear in my life ( nothing happened) no visit... No investigation! Zilch
These swanson wedger series are good shaun, 👍
God bless John
I think he does
Per New Horizons, Adam Ants father was part of the Sydney Cooke ring. Makes you wonder.
Yes, I can't remember his fathers name though but Adam Ant was abused though I'm not sure if it was by him.
@@idiotsimulator8055 Adams real name is Stuart Goddard. His father was Leslie Goddard. 🌼
@@tooth8551 Thank you so much! I shall dig into it tomorrow.
@@idiotsimulator8055 🌼
Wish i knew Jon when I was a kid...so greatfull for your sacrifice to protect our children ❤ we need more men like you to save humanity greatfull for you Jon beyond measure ❤
very interesting stuff lads ,don't know if you caught it but on "appropriate adult" (the west's story) Fred illuded to the "barn" stuff , couple of times, even saying, "the barns were filled, but I never went in there" meaning it was Rose and others, you fellas are the only other time I've heard this mentioned, great work uncovering this stuff
I thank the Lord for people like Shaun, Jon and Ron S who speak out about these horrific things, and give a voice to the victims. This stuff CANNOT be ignored, and we must all do our best to not only honour the bravery and grit of these folks that are exposing evil, but also to bring justice for the abused/murdered/sacrificed and make a hell of a noise in order to stop anyone else from going through this abject horror. Great work guys and gals, God bless you all day long. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I think we all know who profits from having policemen who are sub-par.... it sure as hell isnt the vulnerable public out there. I despair at the evil man is capable of.
Definitely need to hear this one !!!!
Very interesting, soundquality sucks.
I grew up in the 60s and 70s. I would say the uk was a lot safer place then than what it is now. Oh don’t get the impression we had it easy. I was born in the early 50s. For the first 9 years of my life we had no electricity, although we did have gas. No hot running water. We had a tin bath. Which my mother had to boil the gas copper. No indoor facilities. No flushing system (my father had to empty the toilet at the bottom of the garden. My dad didn’t earn a lot of money. I had a special needs sister (in those days they would call her mentally handicapped. We also had two pair of clean underwear. One change of clothing etc etc.
60’s and 70’s 80’s in the uk was the worst place in the world to live in , Belfast :)
We were safe, and rapes and murders were rare.
Lol thanks for sharing, and we think we have it tuff now god help this lot if we get a power cut or even a war
@@DamiansweldingshortzI would say the same all over the world as these politicians all get their heads together and work their dirty deeds
Yep your right I’m from England with Northern Irish parent , I blame the government for the whole mess with the troubles
I found a book at a car boot sale written by one of the detectives on the west case, it was the most disturbing read ever, the things the wests did to these poor girls u couldnt imagine in your darkest thoughts. At the start of the book , he said...if ever the devil was walking amongst us and had a face it would be Fred West. I had to keep stopping and having a break from reading it, as it was too disturbing. when id finished the book i passed it on to someene who couldnt read it, he burnt it
Yes, I've read a couple. I'm thinking of reading some by their children. One of the daughters has given an interview which is very upsetting. Considering what she went through she's absolutely wonderful as a person and a mother. I'm sorry but I can't remember her name at the moment.
Rose was the real Evil.
Always a pleasure listening to Ron 😍
What a great series. Crime theory👍 ive been obsessing like many people over the IDAHO 4 case in AMERICA the last few months. Nice to take a break with these👍
Thanks for watching
I'm thinking of getting into that case. There's some people who think the chap who's the one being charged might be innocent 😮. Would you be so kind to tell me who I should watch please? No rush.
You guys are amazing love your chats so interesting and thought provoking grate work
Thank you so much!
I saw a santised documentary about Cooke, I think it was called the wolf pack. Even that one was horrific & lots of information was glossed over.
There’s another boy - Vishal from Putney I can’t remember his last name. He went missing never seen again they say it was Syd and his people
I recommend the podcast, ‘Vishal’ which delves into the case. The police were absolutely negligent both at the time and subsequently.
@@CalloCallay Thank you
Vishal Mehrotra and yes he was suspected to be another one of Sidney Cooke's victims. I absolutely believe we don't know about even half of the children those vile beasts killed.
@@gerileeradford1041apparently a woman seen this young boy on the under ground on the day of the disappearance with Leslie who was on of Sidney’s gofers!!!
The criminal justice system, take out the justice and that's what you have
Great podcast Jon and Ron, I love listening to you two and you make a great team working together ❤️
Glad you enjoy it!
It’s all linked
R,I,P jason swift 😢😢😢
😢❤ poor baby. Really upset me his case.
Its so weird. I find a case and read up about it and next thing Jon is talking about it. Call it a coincidence 🙈 much love to you always Jon x
Very good video. Just one thing puzzled me. Napolinic Wars were 1803-1815. Jon might mean Zulu War or the two Boar Wars which could be the Generation before WW1 which is 1914-1918.
Interested to here about cooke and the wolf pack! Been researching that recently
West head injuries come from a bike accident and a fall from a fire escape!
Rose was horribly abused.
His head injuries were extensive
@@celticmist14 yes they were. Think he was in a coma for few day's on one accident. However it doesn't give him the right to do the things he did.
He was booted off that fire escape by a young girl when he stuck his filthy mitts up her skirt
he had a head injury? i haven't got to that bit yet but i'd be interested to know medical details. 'they' try from time to time to create 'aquired savants' by causing or faking head injuries to the left side of the head. to create someone that can find or create codes in crimes.
I think you ought to look into the case of Thomas Hamilton, the Dunblane shooter, whose records were sealed for 75yrs by the Scottish courts, he was allegedly supplying child porn to the great and notso good of the Scottish hierachy, his post mortem found two headshots from a revolver in his "apparent" suicide. There's the owner of the large silver sloon car that was seen dropping him off at home on the morning prior to the shooting who has never been traced and the missing period of around 45 mins between leaving home and arriving at the school.
There's a lots of unanswered questions, including the boat he bought cheap from a police auction, which later blew up in what many think was an attempt to silence him, though officially put down as a leaky gas bottle on board.
Hamilton was refused by the local Police to have a gun yet authourities higher up allowed it........If i'm right he had some sort of connection with Gordon Brown (ex prime minister) who was one of the People the McCann's somehow contacted or a friend/family member contacted when their Child went missing in Portugal.........It could all be coincidental so not saying anything is connected
'think i'm going to have to look into scottish law. the obscene publications act 1959 is england and wales. most of these pervs seem to spend some time in scotland and commit crimes there.
I really enjoy this channel the stories are heartbreaking but I love your place
Ron your sound my friend is crap!! I love Jon he is a great man! Thank you both! 🏆🏆
That photo behind is very telling if you know the whole story.freds expression lots like he knows he has hit the jackpot and rose is wide awake.
The barn that Jon mentions with occult is in Berkeley, I went there earlier in the year after watching something else about the West's. It is derelict with the usual 'keep out' signs.
Also the fields inwhich Fred buried the Women are well out of the way of any traffic
I went to Berkley Mill to would have loved to go inside sure is creepy
Dont go to-places of Evil, because it will get to know you and follow you.
Listened to this today , great show , disturbing to know these rats live amongst us
Im absolutely horrifyied the extra information ivr learnt, thanks for the podcast
Why can't i find Ron S channel anymore , i loved watching him
Yeh..i looked too..I can’t find.
Project rooq is his channel 😊
@@carolwardropper5521project rooq is Rons channel 😊
The lack of humanity , not only lies with the serial perpetrator , but more so it lies at the feet of those who aloud the few to get away with there crimes and those who covered it up . For me the worst of it comes from the cops and courts who set up the innocent and never chased down the guilty..
I read somewhere Adam ants father was a member of Sidney cooked dirty dozen
I saw Adam ant acting a part in a show where he purchased a virgin girl the show was in the 80s wish I could remember the name. It disturbing
Could it have been a film called Spellcaster?
@@mayaluzerna5134 not sure I’ll look it up
@@mayaluzerna5134 no it’s not but I don’t even remember this one
2:03:06 hahahahaaaahahaaaaaaaaa the officer brought his dad in lmao 🤣
I think I read somewhere Fed got away with running that boy over cause he was working in a icecream van at the time so he blamed the boy for running out.
Yes, he was chased out of Scotland though for getting away with it.
Just managed to jump aboard ❤❤
im sure i got off lucky in around 66 from that twat cooke, back then you felt safe as this shit wasnt much talked about.. i was 6, wandered off to the fairground, which was 10/15 mins away. this scruffy looking fooker came up, started chatting and paying for me on kids rides, he went on one that i was to small to go on, fortunately my older brother was sent to find me, and he did waiting of this fooker on the ride, said hes come to take me home.. wasnt till i saw a doc on this twat cooke, i had a massive flashback and thought fook me that was that geezer on the fair. now i could be wrong but mmm i dont know. and wtf is it still alive inside prison..? goes to show there in some cases no justice.
Blooming hell, so glad you had a lucky escape thank goodness your bro came when he did . Sounds like Cooke for sure that approached you. Shame for the other young lads
Sounds about right. Trust your gut instinct. He had proper stary eyes. HIssing sid.
Something else I have to correct there were no videos in 1957. Videos and players were no manufactured until the end of the 70s early 80s.
The videos they are talking about would have been recorded in the 1980's ...In 1957 Rose would have been only 4 years old ,
Jon,
I've a lot of respect for your work however could you reconsider some of your perspective and use of words...
Eg..no child accepting 'help' from any dangerous person 'seals their (own fate).
The perpetrator did that.
Also
Saying someone has a big 'sexual appetite' does not necessarily drive rape or sexual torture.
Children are not 'broken in' .They are sexually assaulted/kidnapped for the purpose of.../raped.
Please be clear, truthful but kinder in your terminology particularly here and there where you almost describe victim suffering from a perp's perspective...
A shift towards understanding the need for delicacy of more appropriate words for survivors or victims you refer to and also any who might be listening.
I've heard you speak more respectfully about survivors, victims, women, people with intellectual issues etc
In the past. This is rougher than I've heard you speak before.
I'm so glad you are speaking though.
The 'dots' you make are so important and thank-you for your speaking.
Thank you for highlighting that. I admire Jon’s dedication but yes at times the terminology, especially when speaking about Jason seems a bit off. ❤
Maxims: he who seeks equity must come with clean hands.
Equity imputes an intention to perform an obligation; suit for specific performance.
Will you stop interrpting when jons making a point, Jon about to make cameparison to the wikerman movie the other fella interrupts..just listen and dont interrupt. No offence
Listen to "To the Gallows" by Celtic Warrior if you're raging. It's about this.
Good evening guys
Mel Gibson: Google "Polygraph test of Ella Gareeva"
what does this mean?
Your dad and a land snail! I shake my head!
The one on itv one recently in llantwit fardre is just down the road from me this guy chopped up an old woman's body and put the parts in xmas present boxes😖😖😖 horrible😣😣
Don't forget my Jimmy Mac! James McElroy
It wouldn't surprise me that a cult was in the middle of this....and yeah its just awful.
order of 9 angles
Thank you for this because I recall learning that one of their victims was a relative of a well known writer or intellectual? And I had always been curious about all the police the Wests entertained and then that victim's background ... were they being used to kill certain people? Were they hired?
Ever heard of Programmed To Kill by Dave McGowan? These monsters are rarely working in isolation?
@@lextalonis839 I have but have not read it. I really think that's true. Get ppl like West to take the fall while those in power benefit. I have always thought that the daughter they killed must have witnessed someone and it was feared that she would tell on that person(s). They came from a whole family of incest, why suddenly kill one?
It was Martin Amis’s relative, I believe
Im so glad you shaun and Jon thank you they dont make em like jon 🎉😊
Try the south of England , the village of Overton near Basingstoke, and a family called ( in Basingstoke) Parsons and Onions who ended up in Liverpool and the north west
Can u tell us more
Clicked on this hoping for a link between the wests and sidney cooke 😅 ah well can't win em all 😂
I really appreciate the discussion re trauma, insightful and true. I read commentary everyday by people who judge men and women who struggle in this world. My grandad fought in Operation Ironclad; he was sent into battle with the Vichy French. He ended up with what we now call PTSD and he had difficulties being a father to his large family. By the time I was born he was a transformed man and I worshipped him, but the impact on my father and aunts and uncles was undeniable. Sending young men to be brutalised like that, then acting surprised society goes off the rails, it’s crazy, I hope for a more compassionate time.
Love jon + ron ❤
The mind is like a parachute, it only works when its open. Question everything. Sound advice to take note of. Wests, Cooke were tip of a leviathan of a iceberg. RIP to all those unfortunate unknowns in unmarked graves. May they find the peace they seek.
Sounds as if someone's running an industry!
Sorry all had a paint spillage 😮. Thanks all 😊
Cameron got rid of Cook for Ken Clark
None of this information is untrue!!!! But authorities have done nothing!!!!
Does anyone know the name of the UK social study that Jon refers to around 11'30 mins into the video?
Was a tiger keyring also the link in the boot of a car to msrk tildsley? Got a lot of boxes opening in my head after watching this
Is that a Shining/Doctor Sleep reference?
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No cctv mate makes me laugh sounds a bit like the place in Lancashire where nicola bulley disappeared from what a load of shit more holes in that than a teabag
brought my mum on the ship,to do my ironing for me in the Royal Navy!!!lol