My favorite thing about shotguns is that literally anything that will slide through the tube can be used, batteries, dimes, bearings, marbles, peppercorns, whole nutmeg, rock salt, granulated bleach, gum, putty, sand, pulverized metal, chunks of wood, and just about anything works. Shotguns are wonderful
The definition of desperation is when your Red Dawn scenario involves repurposing lithium batteries as ammo. Also, the California Ballistics shirt is awesome!
@@erikdeeNOSPELLSNO well idk. Lithium batteries are better served as explosives. Your bigger Lithium batteries like 18650 or 21700(the stuff people use for vaping) will blow up like a grenade if shorted. Then ones like in this video can be taken apart and used to forge something. If you need bullets just use some rocks or metal or something. There's literally an endless amount of hard things you can shoot. Using batteries just seems very ineffective in many ways
In a human body, that black stuff would be exceedingly damaging and virtually impossible to clean out. Long term pain would likely last until it was all out of the body, not to mention the schrapnel damage in many different directions. The shock of the pressure wave would be devastating as well. That battery would be among some of the worst nightmares you have shown to date along with the likes of Dragon's Breath and some others. Just makes me shudder, which as a deactivated Marine, doesn't happen very often !
I don't think much pain would be felt - There is very little chance of surviving that kind of impact unless hit in something that will fly off the body anyway and at that point just amputate further up the wound to ensure the lithium is gone. But I wholeheartedly agree one nightmare of a load!
That would be a wretched experience, especially if those contain elemental lithium, which I'm pretty sure would react with the water in your blood to form highly alkaline lithium hydroxide, adding *internal* chemical burns or worse to the list of injuries.
Brings back memories of growing up my brother and I making different 12 gauge loads. Who knows what we would have got into with UA-cam in late 70’s and 80’s. Thanks guys
I was just wondering how those 123a batteries would fly. Damn soothsayers.😆🤙🏾 Thanks for the testing. And thanks to Brianna for the shooting, Jeff for the filming. Congrats on the medal, Doug.
Oh man I've been waiting to see you guys shoot one of these! These would be horrifying to be shot with. You'd end up with internal chemical burns on top of the shrapnel.
I have to wonder if a surgeon would be able to remove ALL the chemical dust and components of one of those batteries in an effort to save a shooting subjects life (notice I didn't call them a "victim." If they got shot on purpose, what are the chances they were just moseying around somebody's property in the middle of the night trying to break into your car or sneak into your 11 year old daughter's bedroom window?). They'd have to remove HUGE hunks of muscle and other tissue to prevent infection or chemical burns. IOW, O.U.C.H.!!
I think you, H ? and M just missed the last test shot where it created a 9 inch explosion inside the ballistics gel ...seriously doubt there would be any "saving" being done at all.
A thing about hard drives, the platters are circular and offset from the side with ports, and those platters are actually the "hard disks" in there. The shot in here only penetrated the case and controller board. So, just info for the future. Thanks for great content!
@@robertchapel2245 The platters of a hard drive are not plastic. They are typically made of aluminum or glass and are coated with a ferromagnetic material.
Those would be actually pretty lethal rounds. No overpenetration and massive energy transfer. The kinda remind me of those ARX bullets where they can transfer a lot of energy.
Thanks for testing those out Jeff. What a treat to have Breanna on this shoot. We all really appreciate the amazing content you gift us with. It's awesome how well your channel is doing after all these years and YT tribulations. My GF and I can't think of a more genuine and deserving guy.
BTW I'd love to see a return of the test tube torching if you have any inspiration with that again! Maybe it has run it's course, but I loved that back in the day.
Always great to see Breanna back. And we even got a gratuitous snort laugh in the blooper reel at the end! It's part of why she's so awesome! Wonder if those batteries could detonate a can of butane...
@@jakehildebrand1824 Well, if it's a case full of jars of nitroglycerine, you could set that off by throwing a rock. Many high explosives are very stable and you'd never set them off by shooting them. Besides, we don't want to blow up Breanna, and she'd have to be way too close to shoot the crate of high explosives. But I'm sure she'd be fine shooting a can of butane.
I remember reading about how riot police in South Africa would sometimes load D batteries into their grenade launchers along with smoke canisters and rubber bullets.
"the ballistic gel is so expensive" They've been saying that for at least 5 years now and have yet to come up with a way to keep it from flying off the table.
Taufledermaus isn't concerned with such petty things as clean ballistics gel. Just a tarp, four long .nails, and the gel would probably stay pretty clean.
I think its on purpose so you can get an idea of the energy transfer. If the block just sits on the table and doesnt move much then there was little energy transfer compared to if it goes flying 6ft in the air.
@@izzyplusplusplus1004 its more for the camera work that he probably doesnt do it, but a encloser can be made for less than 100 bucks, out of clear materials and still allow an open window for the high speed shot. 100-150 bucks now, would go a long way in the future. We generally understand the energy transfer with the gummy bear where as the ballistic block for high speed is better suited for showing penetration and after 2 shots in the current let it fly everywhere setup, you really cant show it that well. a clear enclosure will provide that and make the gel last more than a handful of shots and in the long run cost less money. More Bang for Your Buck as it were.
Lol yeah, thats been going on for centuries, way back in the day actual lead shot was rare and expensive for many people, they loaded old nails, gravel, broken glass or whatever other small and semi-dense material they had on hand that would fit inside the barrel. The internet has made it a fad again lol.
My first thought as well. Lithium is toxic in much smaller doses, causes acute and then complete kidney failure, GI tract malfunction (both ends + stoppage, but irrelevant here since it wasn't taken orally), heavy muscle spasms, central nervous system failure (it crosses blood-brain barrier), severe hyperthermia, coma and death, and most importantly, there is no "antidote" - it cannot be neutralized, bound and flushed, and if quick hemodialysis doesn't help, it's code: ART. So not only recipient would die, but it will hurt whole time its dying. From all the things I wouldn't want to be shot with that's firmly near the top.
A key part of TFM culture at 11:22 - "I didn't see any dust... Is the barrel clear?" Good question. Better to check than to find out the hard way. For all the weird loads and strange experiments, everything you do is built on a culture of safety. Always has been. Every round, every video. Keep going with 0 incidents.
Pretty sure this would be the end for anyone, no matter where it hits, as lithium in that amount, in that manner of distribution would be so poisonous you wouldnt even last long enough for an ambulance to show up, even if hit in the leg or arm.
Lithium isn’t particularly toxic. It used to be a component of “7up” (Lithium is element 3, atomic weight 6 to 7). The other chemicals in the batteries - that’s a different question. The batteries have a lot of copper, aluminium and manganese oxide as well as a stainless steel case that all turns to splinters.
I'd love to see this against ballistic torso, how it damages the organs etc This would be the best ammunition for a post apocalyptic world if you can't really craft slugs and such
@@trippaturtle can't you recharge batteires tho? Otherwise I guess they'd make good shotgun ammo but you could probably harvest the metals inside and repurpose them'
@@vladpintilei6204 Typically, rechargeables come in more common varieties such as AA and AAA. Any rechargeable 123s would be extremely valuable and wouldn't be used for ammo, since tougher flashlights commonly use them. Regular 123s would be good for powering tech, but then once spent would make terrifically effective anti-personell slugs, requiring even a poorly placed shot to the victim's foot to require amputation or risk death. Battery chemicals don't typically behave nicely in the bloodstream, so they'd almost be better and cheaper to use than reloading ammunition regularly.
@@pyrosweets better maybe, but I definitely doubt cheaper. You can load anything into a shotgun casing and i'm sure stones or skateboard bearings could produce similar effects. On top of that, the metal poisoning is cool, but what does it matter if your opponent is not down and out immediately from the fight (he probably would be anyways though because it's a fucking shotgun lmao but it wouldn't be because you shot him with a battery), the poisoning is irrelevant if the guy can get back up and blow YOU to pieces, just to die after.
I was impressed how thoroughly these batteries came apart regardless of what they were shot into. These are regular disposable photo-type lithium batteries, right? If new and fully charged ... well let's do some math. If your 11 gram CR2 impacts its target at 400 m/s, that gives us 880 J if the energy transfer is complete (no external shrapnel or pass-through). The velocity could be considerably higher but you didn't chrono ... Now, something interesting: A fully charged 800 mAH 3V battery contains 8640 J of stored energy -- almost 10 times what you get in a target by shooting it from a shotgun. Or perhaps 5 times if it's actually traveling at 600 m/s. TNT is ~ 4000 J/g for reference, so these things contain around 20% of the energy of TNT by weight, including the inactive bits like the case and terminals. This shouldn't be too surprising, as, how much powder did you use to get the battery to its target? 5-15 grains? Smokeless powder has ballpark 75% the energy content of TNT, one gram is ~15 grains, while the battery itself is 11 grams total of relatively energetic material (equal to 3-4 grams = 45-60 grains SP), so it shouldn't be surprising that the battery actually contains more power than the shell propelling it. That will definitely account for a little extra excitement at the terminal end, which you can see in the burst of flame where the lithium is melted/vaporized. With discharged batteries this will be less of a thing, as the metallic lithium has been mostly reacted and there's not a lot of remaining chemical energy. As far as the effects of being shot with one of these things: Wow. The chemicals involved are relatively nontoxic and could probably be tolerated by the body after some chemical burns, but the fragmentation is horrible. Basically like being hit with a frangible projectile. Infection? Depends; the inside of the battery is certainly sterile, but if tiny shrapnel enters externally you have tattoing and danger of infection in the dermis etc., which can be extremely dangerous.
Love your videos! Keep it up! Just a quick definition for Jeff: Accuracy is hitting what you're aiming at. Precision is being able to hit what you're aiming at repeatedly.
It's great to see Breanna back on the range, I've missed her giggle/snort. That's sure a pretty Gatekeeper ring on BB's right hand.. With charged batteries, that would make a perfect home defense round, not over-penetrating and providing at least 2 stage damage; namely direct trauma and the then chemical action follow up. Thanks for sharing, God Bless and stay safe.
Excellent shooting and camera work. Glad to finally get a retest on batteries. Been a really long time since the last battery test. Great way to recycle old batteries. I shoot our old drone batteries and get a flame/fire show so no surprise to see the flame.
Lets not forget, that even if you survive being shot, your going to have to deal with the fact that you now have a bunch of toxic heavy metals all over your insides.
Cool, thanks for showing this. I’ve always wanted to see what would happen. We all have these laying around from our lights. Lately I’m been loading all my spent reloading primers in target wads for a messing around target load.
Lithium is supposed to explode in contact with water. Did you get any fire reaction to the gel off camera or later? I’ve no idea how much lithium is in a lithium battery but guess it’s quite a bit.
Jeff, I some videos, you say "it's getting better" and I hear "there's Eddie Vedder". Next thing you know, I got Jeremy playing in my head for three days
I would like to see you try this: 12 gauge slug, drill a hole in the front end of the slug, fill cavity/hole with mercury, wax seal the front. Fire that into various thickness steel plate. In theory should get some good armor piercing. It is very difficult to overcompress a liquid (the mercury). This is very similar to many anti-tank weapons, though they use molten metal as their “liquid” of choice.
i think what you're intending to refer to are HEAT rounds, which use a stream of metal behaving as a liquid (molten or not) to punch through armour. However, the energy to form the penetrating jet comes from explosives in the round itself, not from the rounds kinetic energy. liquids are usually easier to compress than solids.
Nice! Although, I'm not sure the epa would approve of your recycling methods! 😂 I wonder how the old hard drive would fare if you hit it higher up, through the platter section? Another great video, and it's nice to see your yougin Breanna! 👍
@@Stevie-J As long as it isn't glass of course. How would those fare, just a puff of glass powder/shards on the way out? *edit See IBM Deskstar "deathstar" and Ultrastar series :)
Great video, Great job Ms. B, thank you for getting out to the range. That may be the correct shape for a slug made of a solid metal construction, Love to the crew
That was a great view. The batteries sure carried alot of energy on the initial impact,that was a blast to see the slow motion action of the ballistic gel, we sure enjoy watching your videos. Luv&Peace Cheers! 🤝🏼✌🏼
I'd love to see another vid with these using the double-sabot exclusively. See how accurate it can get from further away, different targets, that sort of thing. Can it split timber? The clay block perhaps?
Careful shooting someone with those, you could find yourself charged with assault and battery. 🤣 Welcome back Breanna, just blame Jeff for the mono sabots. 🤣
Just saw a video of lithium e-bike batteries exploding. They burn ferociously. Would there be a way to ignite that dynamic as a tracer round? Or something. Lithium burns hot, like sodium, and magnesium.
By far this could be one of the most horrible things to be shot with. Can’t imagine the energy dump and battery crap left inside. I’ve not been well lately and only do my experimental shoots after Jan when it’s much cooler but enjoy repeating some of these and some I haven’t done or seen done here. Glad I was able to catch this one after missing it 👍🏻
True, but you are not even taking into account the reaction it would have with ant water would be very volatile AND creates a very alkaline solution. It would be like slightly explosive bleach in the body.
@@Stevie-J there's no -ish about it, if it hits flesh and the bleeding from tissue loss doesn't kill you in seconds or minutes, the lithium poisoning and caustic burns in your veins will kill you at the most a day or two later.
Great to see you back on the range again BB. Love your laugh 😊 Hope you and your family are all doing well. It was interesting that the CR123s only gave off a fire ball when they hit the lead.
Very surprised at how good they are wow .the first double sable round had a odd reaction by sending the sparks or mini explosion down and right. Awesome.
An interesting and fun, although very messy video. There's some nasty, very nasty stuff in lithium batteries, all that black stuff is horribly toxic and will have cobalt from the electrodes mixed in there. I have a question: were the batteries bullets charged up before being shot, or were they drained? Reason I ask is that I expected a bit more fire, as lithium is very reactive with oxygen. If the battery was charged, the lithium would be in its elemental form, which is unstable and wants to be oxidised. When the battery was charged, the lithium in the battery would react almost explosively with the air to oxidise to lithium oxide. But if the battery was flat, then the lithium is already oxidised to something stable, so it can't react with the air. Maybe when Taufledermaus revisits battery bullets in the future, you could try charging some of the cells up and seeing if they're any more spectacular than the others?
@@HugoHugunin why would you expect that? It makes no sense. The lithium was inside the block and they poured the water on the OUTSIDE of the block lmao. It's not gonna seep down into the wound channel, it's a dense, self sealing gel...
i've always wondered about a battery as a projectile. makes sense though, it's heavy, it's already pretty bullet shaped other than no point, seems to dump a whole lot of energy on impact
I only just recently noticed that ring she is wearing. That's one of the splayed out rounds they have previously fired. The fact that they turned it into a ring for her is awesome
Something I always was told while deployed with the CG… Don’t toss Lithium batteries overboard… Salt water and certain mil-spec (BA-1372 or 5372) don’t play well *edit* Same with used/expired OBA canisters (pre-SCBAs)
My favorite thing about shotguns is that literally anything that will slide through the tube can be used, batteries, dimes, bearings, marbles, peppercorns, whole nutmeg, rock salt, granulated bleach, gum, putty, sand, pulverized metal, chunks of wood, and just about anything works. Shotguns are wonderful
Don't forget wax!
OoOooh granulated bleach. That's a good one.
its amazing how versatile they are
I think ball bearings would work awesome.
@@jimwjohnq.public They do. They forgive no weakness.
Well kids, what did we learn today?
- The mono sabot is something of a failure.
- You don't want a supersonic lithium battery in your meaty parts.
"nice ,neat, little package"...welp, she made it personal!
You don't want a supersonic anything in your any parts to be truthful.
Engage the rifling ?..... in a shot gun?.
Chokes and custom rifling can be made for shotguns...
It helps when you run a variety of different loads and other varieties of sells.
They should get to real work instead of making clowns everywhere.... When n word became banned? Damn..
"Sir you've been charged with battery assault"
That's a serious charge!
I was only shooting BB's
- 'forgets' to clarify: Battery Bullets
Battery assault and battery.
Assault with a battery
@@331SVTCobra 🤣
She still has the 12ga ring she made from a slug she shot on the show.
The expansion on those slugs was unbelievable. Never forget that video.
Which episode?
@@amichiganboiwhosereallazy1544 “the best 12G slug you never heard of”. About a year ago
@@amichiganboiwhosereallazy1544 It was the ARM Gatekeeper slug
@@yaimajerk hope it's not lead..
@@beargillium2369 no, I think it's copper, but it might be brass. Impressive either way
The definition of desperation is when your Red Dawn scenario involves repurposing lithium batteries as ammo.
Also, the California Ballistics shirt is awesome!
One would think you'd need batteries as batteries, but sure better shoot them than get shot
I thought that shirt said "California Balls!"
@@engelbert42 Batteries only last a certain amount of time: But the need for Bullets will almost Certainly last Forever!
@@erikdeeNOSPELLSNO well idk. Lithium batteries are better served as explosives. Your bigger Lithium batteries like 18650 or 21700(the stuff people use for vaping) will blow up like a grenade if shorted. Then ones like in this video can be taken apart and used to forge something.
If you need bullets just use some rocks or metal or something. There's literally an endless amount of hard things you can shoot. Using batteries just seems very ineffective in many ways
@@engelbert42 they die eventually. And most can not be recharged.
In a human body, that black stuff would be exceedingly damaging and virtually impossible to clean out. Long term pain would likely last until it was all out of the body, not to mention the schrapnel damage in many different directions. The shock of the pressure wave would be devastating as well. That battery would be among some of the worst nightmares you have shown to date along with the likes of Dragon's Breath and some others. Just makes me shudder, which as a deactivated Marine, doesn't happen very often !
Right! I don’t think they’d survive the battery shell. That thing is brutal. Let me correct myself I don’t think they’d wanna survive it.
I don't think much pain would be felt - There is very little chance of surviving that kind of impact unless hit in something that will fly off the body anyway and at that point just amputate further up the wound to ensure the lithium is gone. But I wholeheartedly agree one nightmare of a load!
The long term effects of all those toxic chemicals in your body, bad stuff.
Thanks
It’s like a hollow point with a side of horrible chemical burning
Please never change the way y'all film and produce.. it's the raw footage that hits the gold for me.
I truhope these folks are victims of their own shenanigans
That would be a wretched experience, especially if those contain elemental lithium, which I'm pretty sure would react with the water in your blood to form highly alkaline lithium hydroxide, adding *internal* chemical burns or worse to the list of injuries.
You mean the list of injuries that include the NINE INCH DIAMETER SPHERICAL HOLE that it just blew into your chest?
Your knowledge and the sharing of it is appreciated good sir.
@@transtubular Lol, you've got some small inches. Don't worry lad, I'm told that technique can make up for that.
@@AtlasReburdened Hahahaahaaaa...k ...nice.
The fragmentation is just brutal. Plus chemical burns and you should call this the Assassin Round.
Finally a useful and concise introduction from someone who don’t only know their stuff - they also know how to shoot it. With precision, that is.
Brings back memories of growing up my brother and I making different 12 gauge loads. Who knows what we would have got into with UA-cam in late 70’s and 80’s. Thanks guys
I always wondered about this.
I did just nobody got to watch it
I was just wondering how those 123a batteries would fly. Damn soothsayers.😆🤙🏾
Thanks for the testing.
And thanks to Brianna for the shooting, Jeff for the filming. Congrats on the medal, Doug.
Imagine having to explain to your doctor why there's a AA battery stuck in your spine...
"I fell on it"
You're an Energizer bunny?
When i first read this comment for some reason i thought about a Anti air battery
Oh man I've been waiting to see you guys shoot one of these!
These would be horrifying to be shot with. You'd end up with internal chemical burns on top of the shrapnel.
Almost as bad, or maybe worse than the legends of people dipping arrows or bullets in excrement to cause infections.
I have to wonder if a surgeon would be able to remove ALL the chemical dust and components of one of those batteries in an effort to save a shooting subjects life (notice I didn't call them a "victim." If they got shot on purpose, what are the chances they were just moseying around somebody's property in the middle of the night trying to break into your car or sneak into your 11 year old daughter's bedroom window?). They'd have to remove HUGE hunks of muscle and other tissue to prevent infection or chemical burns.
IOW, O.U.C.H.!!
I think you, H ? and M just missed the last test shot where it created a 9 inch explosion inside the ballistics gel ...seriously doubt there would be any "saving" being done at all.
@@Grabthar191 Mercury filled is faaar worse than that.
@@lmfao5411 Would that actually work and not either just punch through or dissipate upon distortion?
Well, I won't be throwing those batteries away anymore now that I learned this. Great video
thank you!
Looks like 123 batteries. 3 volts. Commonly used in AEDs
I'ma save them and make shot gun rounds out of them
A thing about hard drives, the platters are circular and offset from the side with ports, and those platters are actually the "hard disks" in there. The shot in here only penetrated the case and controller board. So, just info for the future. Thanks for great content!
The platters are plastic…would make little difference to penetration.
@@robertchapel2245 The platters of a hard drive are not plastic. They are typically made of aluminum or glass and are coated with a ferromagnetic material.
Those would be actually pretty lethal rounds. No overpenetration and massive energy transfer. The kinda remind me of those ARX bullets where they can transfer a lot of energy.
Energy transfer is dependent on the amount of charge in the battery.
@@sgthop Looks like these were charged enough to not hurt the shooter. :P
Even dead batteries would still leave a shit load of fragments. Just nasty.
If CR123As were any cheaper, they wouldn't make a bad choice for an alternative defense round lol
Well if the shit hits the fan batteries will be free so.
Thanks for testing those out Jeff. What a treat to have Breanna on this shoot. We all really appreciate the amazing content you gift us with. It's awesome how well your channel is doing after all these years and YT tribulations. My GF and I can't think of a more genuine and deserving guy.
Thank you. I try not to be someone I am not, for certain.
@@taofledermaus best of the no BS channels, no doubt.
BTW I'd love to see a return of the test tube torching if you have any inspiration with that again! Maybe it has run it's course, but I loved that back in the day.
This is just such a great comment. Made my day to see genuine appreciation like that. I completely agree with everything said.
The “cancer shot”
Thanks for shooting these batteries. Really unexpected results. Its cool to see Breanna and Doug again. Great video 👍
thanks
@@taofledermaus if you need something to shoot I've got useless hard drives motherboards let me know where to send it
Always great to see Breanna back. And we even got a gratuitous snort laugh in the blooper reel at the end! It's part of why she's so awesome!
Wonder if those batteries could detonate a can of butane...
A can of butane? Boring
Lets see if it can detonate a crate full of high explosives
@@jakehildebrand1824 Well, if it's a case full of jars of nitroglycerine, you could set that off by throwing a rock. Many high explosives are very stable and you'd never set them off by shooting them. Besides, we don't want to blow up Breanna, and she'd have to be way too close to shoot the crate of high explosives. But I'm sure she'd be fine shooting a can of butane.
@@halfcirclehranch6877 my point was that explosions are fun
@@jakehildebrand1824 Well, when you need a Hiroshima bomb explosion to have fun, you're asking a little too much! ;)
@@epluribusunum6898 I'll have you know that my voice is NOT squeaky.
Love the thought that someone was like "Wonder what would happen if someone shot a battery out of a 12 gauge shotgun."
Good to see Breanna and Doug enjoying a day at the range. The fireball on the lead plate was cool, not something we normally see.
Love the inclusion of Doom E1M1 during the ballistics gel block shot lol.
Yes that was awesome!
I remember reading about how riot police in South Africa would sometimes load D batteries into their grenade launchers along with smoke canisters and rubber bullets.
Source?
"the ballistic gel is so expensive"
They've been saying that for at least 5 years now and have yet to come up with a way to keep it from flying off the table.
Taufledermaus isn't concerned with such petty things as clean ballistics gel. Just a tarp, four long .nails, and the gel would probably stay pretty clean.
I think its on purpose so you can get an idea of the energy transfer. If the block just sits on the table and doesnt move much then there was little energy transfer compared to if it goes flying 6ft in the air.
@@izzyplusplusplus1004 its more for the camera work that he probably doesnt do it, but a encloser can be made for less than 100 bucks, out of clear materials and still allow an open window for the high speed shot.
100-150 bucks now, would go a long way in the future. We generally understand the energy transfer with the gummy bear where as the ballistic block for high speed is better suited for showing penetration and after 2 shots in the current let it fly everywhere setup, you really cant show it that well. a clear enclosure will provide that and make the gel last more than a handful of shots and in the long run cost less money.
More Bang for Your Buck as it were.
it actually gets dirty just being outsize because dust sticks to it. It takes a fraction of the time to wash it off than it would to lay out a tarp.
Reminds me of the old times where there were tons of videos of people shooting literally anything out of a shotgun 😂
Lol yeah, thats been going on for centuries, way back in the day actual lead shot was rare and expensive for many people, they loaded old nails, gravel, broken glass or whatever other small and semi-dense material they had on hand that would fit inside the barrel. The internet has made it a fad again lol.
Breanna looks great shooting at anything!
Too much fun with Breanna pulling the trigger! 👍
Good to see her and her fam again!
by far one of the most damaging rounds , if the target lives through that shot they wont be alive much longer
plus getting battery acid in their wound
It's basically a poison explosive round, I'll keep the video in mind if the apocalypse starts and I need to fashion myself some improvised shells
My first thought as well. Lithium is toxic in much smaller doses, causes acute and then complete kidney failure, GI tract malfunction (both ends + stoppage, but irrelevant here since it wasn't taken orally), heavy muscle spasms, central nervous system failure (it crosses blood-brain barrier), severe hyperthermia, coma and death, and most importantly, there is no "antidote" - it cannot be neutralized, bound and flushed, and if quick hemodialysis doesn't help, it's code: ART.
So not only recipient would die, but it will hurt whole time its dying. From all the things I wouldn't want to be shot with that's firmly near the top.
@@Vatharian So basically, Battery loaded shotgun shells would be a war crime if used seriously?
@@maritimeyoutubeengineer3354 actually, yes.
Why are you shooting hunters laptop hard drive? Lol
A key part of TFM culture at 11:22 - "I didn't see any dust... Is the barrel clear?" Good question. Better to check than to find out the hard way. For all the weird loads and strange experiments, everything you do is built on a culture of safety. Always has been. Every round, every video. Keep going with 0 incidents.
Thank you: The way things are going with the (JB) squad ; We may need it
Very interesting! Never would have thought they would fly that well. And bring her back more often. Her laugh and enthusiasm is infectious.
If you shoot someone with this, he will get the battery, but you will get charged.
Lol 🤣 that's genius!!
"Smells like cancer." That got an actual snort out of me. Nicely done.
thanks Drew
Pretty sure this would be the end for anyone, no matter where it hits, as lithium in that amount, in that manner of distribution would be so poisonous you wouldnt even last long enough for an ambulance to show up, even if hit in the leg or arm.
That's if the energy being dumped doesn't almost immediately tear off the affected limb to begin with
For real, it's highly toxic. Wish they would have taken some precautions instead of just handling it bare handed after shooting.
Lithium hydroxide conversion!
Then I will gold plate the gun. (The man with the golden gun.)
Lithium isn’t particularly toxic. It used to be a component of “7up” (Lithium is element 3, atomic weight 6 to 7).
The other chemicals in the batteries - that’s a different question. The batteries have a lot of copper, aluminium and manganese oxide as well as a stainless steel case that all turns to splinters.
Thanks for all the variety of materials and shooters; mixing it up keeps things fresh!
Glad you enjoy it Steve!!
"Ooh, it smells like cancer!" ROFL
Holy crap these are brutal. That wound channel and debris. . . Looks like a war crime 😅
As if they're not going to be gassing us in the first place.
Hahaha yeah, looks like a Geneva nightmare
@@Alext0250 Uh, hello? They're just Geneva Suggestions!
@@Serahpin Your reply made me lol. Geneva suggestions 😂
Wonder if the Ukrainians would be Interested to see how these loads would perform for Orc hunting
Imagine surviving a shotgun wound but dying of cancer a few weeks later
Good to see Breanna back in action, I definitely would not want to get hit with one of those. 👍🇺🇸
I'd love to see this against ballistic torso, how it damages the organs etc
This would be the best ammunition for a post apocalyptic world if you can't really craft slugs and such
Those batteries could probably be way more useful in tech than being fired out of a shotgun in an apocalypse.
@@vladpintilei6204 dead batteries can be repurposed to ammo though.
@@trippaturtle can't you recharge batteires tho? Otherwise I guess they'd make good shotgun ammo but you could probably harvest the metals inside and repurpose them'
@@vladpintilei6204 Typically, rechargeables come in more common varieties such as AA and AAA. Any rechargeable 123s would be extremely valuable and wouldn't be used for ammo, since tougher flashlights commonly use them. Regular 123s would be good for powering tech, but then once spent would make terrifically effective anti-personell slugs, requiring even a poorly placed shot to the victim's foot to require amputation or risk death. Battery chemicals don't typically behave nicely in the bloodstream, so they'd almost be better and cheaper to use than reloading ammunition regularly.
@@pyrosweets better maybe, but I definitely doubt cheaper. You can load anything into a shotgun casing and i'm sure stones or skateboard bearings could produce similar effects. On top of that, the metal poisoning is cool, but what does it matter if your opponent is not down and out immediately from the fight (he probably would be anyways though because it's a fucking shotgun lmao but it wouldn't be because you shot him with a battery), the poisoning is irrelevant if the guy can get back up and blow YOU to pieces, just to die after.
dang guys i hadn't watched you for years, and you guys are killing it! Fun content, thank you for uploading!
It's so good to see Bullseye Brianna back on the channel!
Awesome shootin Breanna 👍like the outtakes especially Breanna laugh snorting 😂👍
I was impressed how thoroughly these batteries came apart regardless of what they were shot into.
These are regular disposable photo-type lithium batteries, right? If new and fully charged ... well let's do some math. If your 11 gram CR2 impacts its target at 400 m/s, that gives us 880 J if the energy transfer is complete (no external shrapnel or pass-through). The velocity could be considerably higher but you didn't chrono ...
Now, something interesting: A fully charged 800 mAH 3V battery contains 8640 J of stored energy -- almost 10 times what you get in a target by shooting it from a shotgun. Or perhaps 5 times if it's actually traveling at 600 m/s. TNT is ~ 4000 J/g for reference, so these things contain around 20% of the energy of TNT by weight, including the inactive bits like the case and terminals.
This shouldn't be too surprising, as, how much powder did you use to get the battery to its target? 5-15 grains? Smokeless powder has ballpark 75% the energy content of TNT, one gram is ~15 grains, while the battery itself is 11 grams total of relatively energetic material (equal to 3-4 grams = 45-60 grains SP), so it shouldn't be surprising that the battery actually contains more power than the shell propelling it.
That will definitely account for a little extra excitement at the terminal end, which you can see in the burst of flame where the lithium is melted/vaporized.
With discharged batteries this will be less of a thing, as the metallic lithium has been mostly reacted and there's not a lot of remaining chemical energy.
As far as the effects of being shot with one of these things: Wow. The chemicals involved are relatively nontoxic and could probably be tolerated by the body after some chemical burns, but the fragmentation is horrible. Basically like being hit with a frangible projectile. Infection? Depends; the inside of the battery is certainly sterile, but if tiny shrapnel enters externally you have tattoing and danger of infection in the dermis etc., which can be extremely dangerous.
I didn't even read your comment.but I respect you and your knowledge. this comment is underrated .true chad 🗿
Silly question:
If you shoot a completely charged vs a depleted one, would that make a difference?
If its charged there will be some amount of explosion
If its charged then it will electrocute the target
It might be a shocking experience.
Sorry I couldn't resist.
@@samueladams1775 The results might be either POSITIVE or NEGATIVE. Couldn't resist lol
Being hit with a discharged battery will leave you drained.
It's nice to see a father and daughter sharing memories together ❤
Love your videos! Keep it up! Just a quick definition for Jeff: Accuracy is hitting what you're aiming at. Precision is being able to hit what you're aiming at repeatedly.
Didn't OG once have a band named "lithium battery bullets" ?
It's great to see Breanna back on the range, I've missed her giggle/snort. That's sure a pretty Gatekeeper ring on BB's right hand.. With charged batteries, that would make a perfect home defense round, not over-penetrating and providing at least 2 stage damage; namely direct trauma and the then chemical action follow up. Thanks for sharing, God Bless and stay safe.
thanks Doug!
Excellent shooting and camera work. Glad to finally get a retest on batteries. Been a really long time since the last battery test. Great way to recycle old batteries. I shoot our old drone batteries and get a flame/fire show so no surprise to see the flame.
waste lithium to the surroundings? stupid and pointless.
As a weapon these batteries are effective, lodge's in a body or energy transfer on body armour or disintegrates on hard surfaces. The perfect ammo.
Lets not forget, that even if you survive being shot, your going to have to deal with the fact that you now have a bunch of toxic heavy metals all over your insides.
@@jakehildebrand1824 and normally acid burns
@@denismorgan9742 indeed
Cool, thanks for showing this. I’ve always wanted to see what would happen. We all have these laying around from our lights. Lately I’m been loading all my spent reloading primers in target wads for a messing around target load.
GOD Bless America: Please give us a real leader again.Before it's too late.
Lithium is supposed to explode in contact with water. Did you get any fire reaction to the gel off camera or later? I’ve no idea how much lithium is in a lithium battery but guess it’s quite a bit.
I've purposely cut these batteries apart and threw them in water and all they did was fizzle a little.
The lithium in batteries is bound in pretty specific chemicals, the videos where it explodes in water is with the much more reactive raw metal
@@AVUREDUES54 Thank you! Am glad to know it. Is it still poisonous?
@@jackjones9460 it would at least be alkaline and extremely irritating, like bleach, if not worse
@@jackjones9460 Yes.
Bullseye briana new ring looks great. Awesome use of old ammo. Great video as always
thank you
Impressive "terminal" performance!
Would you say they reached terminal velocity?
That gummy bear would have had a toxic wound from that Lithium powder release inside...
Jeff, I some videos, you say "it's getting better" and I hear "there's Eddie Vedder". Next thing you know, I got Jeremy playing in my head for three days
Clearly I remember, pickin on the boy
@@Kalashnigoon seemed a harmless little f&$#
Seemed a harmless lil f…..
@@Kalashnigoon seemed a harmless little
I would like to see you try this: 12 gauge slug, drill a hole in the front end of the slug, fill cavity/hole with mercury, wax seal the front. Fire that into various thickness steel plate. In theory should get some good armor piercing. It is very difficult to overcompress a liquid (the mercury). This is very similar to many anti-tank weapons, though they use molten metal as their “liquid” of choice.
i think what you're intending to refer to are HEAT rounds, which use a stream of metal behaving as a liquid (molten or not) to punch through armour. However, the energy to form the penetrating jet comes from explosives in the round itself, not from the rounds kinetic energy. liquids are usually easier to compress than solids.
Mercury wouldn't be doable due to laws. But he could do gallium.
0:55 wait a minute, the battery travels through the air? WTF MIND BLOWN............
Nice! Although, I'm not sure the epa would approve of your recycling methods! 😂 I wonder how the old hard drive would fare if you hit it higher up, through the platter section?
Another great video, and it's nice to see your yougin Breanna! 👍
@@Stevie-J As long as it isn't glass of course. How would those fare, just a puff of glass powder/shards on the way out?
*edit See IBM Deskstar "deathstar" and Ultrastar series :)
Great video, Great job Ms. B, thank you for getting out to the range. That may be the correct shape for a slug made of a solid metal construction, Love to the crew
thank you Kim
This is the kind of irresponsibility that is enjoyable to watch and makes my morning
Reminds me of the anti-lycan silver rounds from Underworld. Great video.
I wonder how an 18650 would fly.
It’d probably hit like a truck
I've also shot full slugs at a cast iron skillet, from a range of about 30ft. and it went straight through.
Thank you for keeping an open mind and bringing to us another great idea for end of times ammo options🤠
That was a great view. The batteries sure carried alot of energy on the initial impact,that was a blast to see the slow motion action of the ballistic gel, we sure enjoy watching your videos. Luv&Peace Cheers! 🤝🏼✌🏼
Glad you enjoyed it
Lithium batteries... Those look pretty fun to shoot targets with. Thank you peko!
You guys put those rounds through a full *battery* of tests! 😛
AWESOME video !
From going old school " sorta clear" Ballistic gel gummy bears to Brianna's showmanship and marksmen ship ! 👍
Again I appreciate ya'll taking care of that hard drive for me
I'd love to see another vid with these using the double-sabot exclusively. See how accurate it can get from further away, different targets, that sort of thing. Can it split timber? The clay block perhaps?
Careful shooting someone with those, you could find yourself charged with assault and battery. 🤣
Welcome back Breanna, just blame Jeff for the mono sabots. 🤣
Dad joke police here, you need to come with us sir.
@@Tekdruid Aww crap, I'm going to get life, I'm positive. Hopefully the jury declares the case negative.
🤣
The mono sabots were clearly a conspiracy to make Breanna look bad.
If you add some salt to the round, then the charge becomes a salt and battery.
Just saw a video of lithium e-bike batteries exploding. They burn ferociously. Would there be a way to ignite that dynamic as a tracer round? Or something. Lithium burns hot, like sodium, and magnesium.
Today's lesson: Don't mess with Brianna, she aims for the heart....even on cute gummy bears 😄
This is one of the coolest concepts I've seen in a while! Adding the Doom Theme song in just put it over the top for me!! Great job y'all!!
thank you
By far this could be one of the most horrible things to be shot with. Can’t imagine the energy dump and battery crap left inside. I’ve not been well lately and only do my experimental shoots after Jan when it’s much cooler but enjoy repeating some of these and some I haven’t done or seen done here. Glad I was able to catch this one after missing it 👍🏻
True, but you are not even taking into account the reaction it would have with ant water would be very volatile AND creates a very alkaline solution. It would be like slightly explosive bleach in the body.
C-123 is the new defense round. Frangible and high energy transfer.
No overpen either lol.
and probably caustic too.
@@Stevie-J there's no -ish about it, if it hits flesh and the bleeding from tissue loss doesn't kill you in seconds or minutes, the lithium poisoning and caustic burns in your veins will kill you at the most a day or two later.
Great to see you back on the range again BB. Love your laugh 😊
Hope you and your family are all doing well.
It was interesting that the CR123s only gave off a fire ball when they hit the lead.
I was hoping for a gun that shoots electricity or something, but this will have to do
I'd be interested in seeing a new vs. used battery comparison, curious if it increases final volatility.
Man.... those are just utterly devastating.
Wow, the cavitation on that gummy bear and the ballistic gel was crazy.
Very surprised at how good they are wow .the first double sable round had a odd reaction by sending the sparks or mini explosion down and right. Awesome.
LOL at the radio tower falling! 😆
Great to see Bre again! 😎👍
Glad I'm not the only one who caught the Easter egg on the intro! 👍👍 😆😁
Rifling and spin from a Shotgun?
Okies, retract last.
You finally talked about it.
This is going to be awesome, interesting how the flu and how dirty their wound channel would’ve been
I didn't expect this fragmentation. Really a nasty home defense round!
and a war crime
@@demogod4955
Reminder that America never actually formally agreed to protocols I and II of the Geneva convention B)
RIP Danny, but still good to see one of my favorite channels back in my feed. :-)
An interesting and fun, although very messy video. There's some nasty, very nasty stuff in lithium batteries, all that black stuff is horribly toxic and will have cobalt from the electrodes mixed in there.
I have a question: were the batteries bullets charged up before being shot, or were they drained?
Reason I ask is that I expected a bit more fire, as lithium is very reactive with oxygen. If the battery was charged, the lithium would be in its elemental form, which is unstable and wants to be oxidised. When the battery was charged, the lithium in the battery would react almost explosively with the air to oxidise to lithium oxide. But if the battery was flat, then the lithium is already oxidised to something stable, so it can't react with the air.
Maybe when Taufledermaus revisits battery bullets in the future, you could try charging some of the cells up and seeing if they're any more spectacular than the others?
Water + Lithium? Doesn't that generally cause flames and explosions?
If you notice they did not do the standard water jug test, I am assuming there was a reason for this
@@malelpn37 good catch! I did notice them spraying the ballistic gel and kept expecting molten, flaming gel to spray all over their faces. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@HugoHugunin why would you expect that? It makes no sense. The lithium was inside the block and they poured the water on the OUTSIDE of the block lmao. It's not gonna seep down into the wound channel, it's a dense, self sealing gel...
@BoscoBob, I think you are thinking about the effect of Water + Sodium (Na on the periodic table)
@@jimlelan4906 No lithium and water don't mix.
Officer greag thats weird crazy stuff.glad your testing this type of stuff.so we wont have to .great show it's appreciated.thank you.
Definitely good to know they might be decent SHTF/EOTWAWKI rounds
EOTWAWKI?...
@@lmfao5411 End Of The World As We Know It…
@@ETC_Rohaly_USCG Ahhh, Ic Ic.
I've got REM in my head now. Ty
@@lmfao5411 You’re welcome, and LMAO!
Same here…. Gotta love some REM… lol
*your name* I’m dying 🤣
One added advantage/disadvantage to this round is that you also leave toxic material inside the person you shot.
If they were alive long enough to feel the adverse effects that is..
It’s always great to see OG or Breanna as guest ballistic managers.
I wondered what kind of damage an alkaline AA battery can do and ill say this is an excellent subsitute!
i've always wondered about a battery as a projectile. makes sense though, it's heavy, it's already pretty bullet shaped other than no point, seems to dump a whole lot of energy on impact
I only just recently noticed that ring she is wearing. That's one of the splayed out rounds they have previously fired. The fact that they turned it into a ring for her is awesome
Something I always was told while deployed with the CG…
Don’t toss Lithium batteries overboard…
Salt water and certain mil-spec (BA-1372 or 5372) don’t play well
*edit*
Same with used/expired OBA canisters (pre-SCBAs)