Sega Scope 3D - OutRun 3D, Space Harrier 3D, Zaxxon 3D !!
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
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The Sega Scope 3D was a technology that used shutter based glasses to convey a sense of 3D space. Not many games were released for it, but I take a look at them here.
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Episode Notes:
1. I used a combination of real hardware, emulation and FPGA to capture this episode. I used the emulator Kega Fusion to capture the Missile Defense 3D segment at a super high framerate so I could slow it down to show you how each eye would see different things.
2. As far as I know, the 3D Glasses do work on a power base converter since it has the card slot.
3. This has been known to give some people headaches and motion sickness, but I had no trouble with it at all.
4. These glasses and the transmitter box retailed for $49 in the US and 39 Pounds in the UK.
5. Fragile doesn't begin to describe how the hinges on the glasses were. If you buy a pair that is still together, you'll need to baby the hell out of them.
6. I dropped a Back to the Future reference in there for the heck of it.
7. Sega's entire Super Scaler lineup needs to be on VR.
8. You will notice the screen shifting right and left during the gameplay segments. This is a side effect of the way I took every other frame and broke it down so you would only see one eye at a time.
9. This project has been on my PC in various forms since 2017. It has undergone numerous edits, display settings, and voice overs. - Ігри
As a student, I recall working part time to save up for the Sega Master System I so desperately wanted... and by the time I had enough, the price had dropped and I picked up the 3D version with gun and glasses for about the same price! I was stoked!
Missile Defense 3D was totally fun, and I feel Space Harrier 3D is almost always underrated - great graphics, all the fun factor and gameplay BUT totally original enemies/stages/graphics. Truely an overlooked gem. 👍🎮
Thanks! I didn’t realize Space Harrier 3-D had different enemies! I’ve a copy of each (controller 2 “start” will Un-3-D it).
Perfect timing, Sega Lord. Just settling down with pizza and beer! You are the best.
No problem. Glad I could add to your evening.
Man . Now I want pizza 🍕 . I do have the beer 🍺 . Lol .
@@SegaLordX bought these on ebay with a crt tv with the fm sound. Had Zaxxon and Space Harrier 3D. Impressive results. I did sell them and got rid of the tv. I got a scart cable and a converter for it to plug into hdmi on a smart tv. Great picture as the unit did not have to work to hard to upgrade the picture from the native RGB signal with no noticable lag. As good as it gets withoutbthe frameister. Thanks for all SMS content bro!
Cheers!
I love his videos too!
This is exactly what I needed tonight. Hope everyone is staying healthy out there.
You too man. Strange days.
Yeah I can’t wait for Bigfoot to take this thing with him back into outer space on November 5th either!
My Sega Master System was the 3D kit - it was amazing for its time. I still have the interface card but my glasses are shot. Somebody should try to make an emulator for VR headsets to recreate this given the hardware is difficult to find.
It's worth mentioning that the 3D Master System versions of Outrun and Space Harrier were also included in the Japan-only "Sega 3D Fukkoku Archives" for 3DS, which was their first compilation of "3D Classics" ports. They play pretty well, too!
I had Outrun 3D. I remember the headaches the glasses induced. Still kept playing it, though.
Funny, my friend who actually owned the glasses growing up was the same way. 10 minutes in and he was done.
So in other words, it seems like it would be cool, and the idea is in all respect, but it's actually shit. Cool. Saved me hundreds.
I really like the 3D effect, it still is pretty convincing. I can play it comfortably too (unlike VR). I like Maze Hunter best.
Much respect to you for getting such great videos out there so consistently! I always look forward to seeing your stuff in my feed.
Glad to hear it. Thank you.
In 1988, we got a SMS with the 3d glasses, Space Harrier 3d and Missile Defense 3d (along with Thunder Blade and Double Dragon). It was so dope
Surprised there was never an After Burner 3D, that would have been ideal. Also a nice platformer or puzzle game too.
But will say be careful of the 3D Glasses, the arms can be incredibly brittle, to the point its almost pure luck to buy a pair with the hinges still intact. Also if you don't have a small head, it might be worth getting a broken pair for that reason. mine are held onto my head with a rubber band.
Well, the regular SMS version of After Burner was pretty choppy and a far cry from the ultra smooth and fast arcade original, making a 3D glasses compatible version would only have made it even worse.
I'm sure they would break on my head heh, Asus made some shutter glasses that are compatible with the SMS adapter. Some others too but can't recall the companies.
You can play After Burner II in 3d on "Sega 3D Fukkoku Ākaibusu 3 FINAL STAGE" on the 3ds. That's the 3rd and final game in the "Sega 3D Classics Collection". For some reason, only the second game was released outside Japan. All three of the compilations are just phenomenal and extremely underrated in my opinion. It does contains some of the Master System 3d games, but most of the classics are reworked from the arcade versions (including ABII), so they're much more impressive with smooth frame rates and better graphics. They also remade a bunch of Genesis games along with lesser known arcade games. If you're a Sega fan, it's worth buying a 3ds if only to play these. Especially the super scaler games, which honestly feel like they could only reach their full potential in 3d. It's that good!
the 3-d in those 3-d glasses looked amazing back in 1987~1989 IMO. Missile Defense, Space Harrier 3D and Zaxxon all looked amazing in 3-D IMO
Thanks Sega Lord X. I've never commented on YT videos before but I had to say thanks for all your hard work and great videos. They've kept me entertained and informed all the way through the lockdown and now you're easily my favourite channel and it puts a smile on my face everytime you upload a new one.
Thanks again dude!
I wish there was a way to emulate this on a VR setup.
github.com/mamedev/mame/issues/3492 sorta..
I wish there was a way to emulate the 90's in it's entirety on VR, lol
We need some retro vr ports
Or on my 3d vision monitor, like I can do with the dolphin emulator.
@@shanekelley3064 I've got one of those set ups, too, but I haven't messed with it much since getting an Oculus.
Well done. I don’t remember these 3-D games even though I grew up in the 80s.
In 1988, made a pact of good grades with my dad and got a huge birthday gift: the Master System along with another gamepad, the Light Phaser gun and the 3D Glasses.unfortunatelly, my dad "forgot" to buy any game and I got stuck with Hang On, Safari Hunt (was that the name???) and (the secret) Maze "Anything" for months until a rent shop save my life!! Some friends of mine and a cousin had Nintendo clones back in the day, so we could play games from both sides, but gosh, i love those Sega gems, even they were so few and rare. Late got the wireless controllers and even Alex Kidd im Shinobi World and Phantasy Star. In 93, finally move over to Genesis (with Sonic 2, SF2, MK2 six-button controllers, Activator...) and latter to Saturn, my last Sega and overall console for years at that time... Until i come back at the Xbox 360 era. Man, what good memories! P.S.: I'm from Brazil, where TecToy made a good job representing Sega at Master System lifetime.
Man, back in the days I was so curious about those 3D games. I remember to look for the Master System flyer wondering those games and I never had a chance to play and time goes on and this video came out and the nostalgia was huge! ♥️
when I was a teenager i got this whole kit and the 3d thing was just a novelty. But im glad i got it for all the regular games
I had the complete Master System kit and the Missile Defense and Out Run 3D games. However, wearing the 3D glasses over my normal glasses was quite uncomfortable and ended up playing very little.
I was at a computer show in London (I think it was the personal computer world show 1987 at Earls Court but could be wrong, twas a lifetime ago) when they released these in the UK. Sega had a booth with a chair, biggish CRT and that 3d missile defense game and light-gun set up. I was very impressed with the 3d effect and the light-gun was pretty accurate. Ended up buying an SMS and the light-gun but couldn't afford the 3d glasses or the pack with everything included. Microprose (remember them?) had a full on hydraulic flight simulator pod set up in their booth and I briefly chatted to Alan Sugar on the Amstrad stand.
Bro you never run out of ideas for videos. Love your content my man.
I played this at Freeplay a few years ago it is a pretty awesome piece of videogame history way before the Nintendo 3DS.
My friend had the glasses and games. It was fun for about one day.
Nice vid. I still have my original glasses as well as my cousin's slightly broken ones. These were always mind blowing to me.
I remember this so well as a kid. Thanks for posting this video
i had this as a kid and loved it. it used a similar technology to what is used in movie theaters.
I have all 8 games and wouldnt get rid of any 1 of them. I got this to work on an old big screen CRT TV and it was awesome!
CRT is always the best way to play.
Wow. The memories. Totally forgot about Missle Defense
My buddy Rob was the Sega kid in my group at that point. We all had the NES but him. I was grateful for that though, because he got lots of games for it. Sitting down with Missile Defense 3D the first time blew me away.
@@SegaLordX In my Junior high school, there were only a handful of SMS owners. We used to rotate games between us. It was like a secret club, and still have those friends today. One of the best decisions of my life was buying an SMS rather than an NES.
Missile Defense 3D was my first too! Then Gangster town with the light phaser auto switch.
I have that 3D maze game on the Sega 3ds collection, it's okay and the 3D effect is nice
That's the best way to go these days for those games. Japan even got 3 whole volumes!
I loved that game. Sega needs to do the other volumes for PSVR.
Dude, several of the 3-D games just need you to press “start” on control pad 2! Even Space Harrier!
Pressing button 1 on my SMS does nothing for Space Harrier 3D. You need a code to do it after scoring enough to get on the leaderboard.
Did you know Nintendo made 3-D glasses for the Famicom? They were never brought over stateside but they sound pretty neat. Especially if they were anywhere close to Sega's 3-D glasses.
The glasses was an amazing piece of kit. For the time it provided an impressive 3D effect using a simple technique. I believe games that used the glasses used the NTSC timing signal (in North America) to synchronize its shutter with each refresh of the image. It was playable for the first half hour but it did get uncomfortable.
One thing I noticed is that in the games shown, you can hear FM sound playback. I believe the north american version of the Master System never had that support added.
I'm having an almost perfect evening, my dinner was hamburguer, i played a lot of mega drive games and slx released a new vídeo, if only i had a girlfriend this day would be 10/10!
Haha, hopefully you take care of that in the near future.
It's not all that it's cracked up to be
Be carefull, your wishes may come true.
If you had one, she'd force you into being vegetarian, forbid you to play video games and rather spend a 3-digit number of bucks on tickets, so that you can watch an ancient babylonian-greek opera with her. And once you are married, it gets a LOT worse.
@@frankschneider6156 Second that
I absolutely LOVED Zaxxon 3D, but Outrun, Space Harrier, & Missile Defense were THE BEST! I wish the 3D glasses hadn't been so fragile - we broke ours within weeks, had them repaired, then broke the 2nd pair shortly after that.
Fun fact, the 3d effect uses the same lcd shutter effect that some 3d tvs brands from the past few years used. Certainly updated, but the moment I started seeing them, and setting them up (used to install tvs for a living) I realized it was the same tech.
Another superb episode from THE Sega Lord X!
The 3d system is what I would showcase to my friends when comparing my SMS VS NES debate.
I've played missile defense so much when I were young.
Modern 3D displays can also use the shutter technology. Some use polarized lenses, others use the shutter technology. The PS3 Sony 3D monitor used the shutter tech. Using the shutter tech, it is possible for two people to be looking at the same screen and see two totally different images. Two people can be watching playing the same racing game, full screen, each seeing their own view of their car a position in the race. They just rapidly alternate the image for player 1 and player 2, and the shutter glasses are perfectly synced for each image. Pretty cool!
Yes, that's true. I actually use the PS3 Sony monitor as one of my computer monitors, and it still works great after all these years.
Just came back from work.
And watched this episode.
Stay safe Sega Lord X.
Man, I was just playing Outrun 3D... in 2d, mind you, I don't have the glasses but I have a weak spot for that FM soundtrack (which is far better than the original, at least for the one song they just had to port over)
It also appeared on the 3DS as a hidden bonus in 3D Outrun (confused yet?), I have it on a japan-only collection cartridge.
I was about to call it a night and bam! Some Sega lord awesomeness compels me to stay awake!
SEGA LAWWWD!
I was an Atari 2600 , NES and SNES kid . I just got my first Sega Master System a few years back and bought the glasses . I was impressed with how good the 3d looks even today .
Did you have Zaxxon on the 2600 ? If not, look it up and compare it with Zaxxon 3D, you'll be in for a surprise.
Thanks for the vid. I had no idea that Space Harrier 3D was a sequel. Always thought it was just Space Harrier in 3D. Might give it a whirl some day.
Thanks for the video! I've always wanted to play the 3d games sinxe I first saw that TV ad. There was a local drugstore that sold SMS games and even the glasses, but they didn't have the actual console to play it on. So I went my whole high school years with just a NES and my Atari computer. There is a way to play these games on an emulator but it requires an older version of MAME that lets you one side or both but it's at half the frame rate. Someday there will be a way to play them with modern VR displays...
I gotta say, the 32X version of Super Space Harrier no matter what will always be my absolute favorite port but the 3D version back then was pretty impressive.
Many games could be happening right now as we speak for the Playstation VR,like all those modern rail shooters close to ocean hunter,house of the dead,jurasic park etc.Accompanied also with those sega 3D games.Instead we only take it to see the virtual room on the genesis collection rather something spectacular happening with the VR technology! Yeah yeah i know we have RE7 and skyrim yes it is a fat fact,but imagine how many other classic games like those i mentioned above could be remastered in HD to have them in a super bundle for VR games.Back in the day a VR system close to that one would be exploited to the fullest like we see in this video with that cheap technique that was those older 3D style blurry graphics.But nowadays not that much,sega was from the companies that literally juiced out to the mast drop a system with all those add ons they worked up as we witnessed over the years!
Great episode brings back memories of outrun 3d
Line of Fire is the only one I don't own and honestly, didn't know about it. I love my SEGA 3D glasses and have had them since release and they still work. Great video as always.
The Sega 3D glasses were awesome back in the day! I had a friend who's grandfather worked for Sega of America so he always got the latest and greatest Sega stuff.
I love my Sega 3-D stuff. So advanced for the time, and such a unique experience
Goddamn some great memories of everything featrured in this video!🖤🖤🖤
Great and really interesting video- funny as soon as I hear any version of the Space Harrier music I feel instantly happy !😁 - that FM sound module makes such a difference...........
slx: it was never released in North America.
me: or japan
I had Missile Defense 3D, Space Harrier 3D and Maze Hunter as a child.
I always wondered about those 3d glasses and you have answered a lot of questions I had. Thanks for sharing your thoughts
This kind of thing is pretty useful, I think. Telling people they can get the 3D mode by holding 1 and 2.
Editing the video for the games that didn't have a 2-D mode must have been a real pain.
It presented a challenge in the beginning. I eventually edited it to just draw certain frames to keep the image stable. I hope the end product was watchable.
Sega Lord X It worked out fine, Brother.
@@SegaLordX Some master system emulators convert the 3D effect to an anaglyph one, maybe that could have been an option to record gameplay that way ?
I rented Zaxon 3D as a kid i didnt even know what the 3d glasses were, now i know why it looked so weird.
Great informative video. Thank you so much. Great video.
Love the 8bit sound shower intro and content review was amazing keep up the dedication SLX stay awesome!!
Thanks Jake. Always appreciate the positive feedback.
Sega Lord X, I have had almost all of these games since the late 1980s and I was very fond of playing Poseidon Warrs 3D. In addition to the good 3D effect and the epic soundtrack, the game provides freedom of movement on the screen and the lack of fuel and proportional sonar, a very interesting degree of strategy. For me the most amazing of all is Space Harrier 3D.
Did you have Zaxxon? In my experience, the 3D on that game was pretty good except for your own ship which seems to stay as a double image. Was wondering if that is how it is for others.
@@dtester Yes I have Zaxxon 3D. In 1990 I bought practically all these Master System 3D games. I agree that the 3D effect is very good, but I didn't have this problem with the ship. I still have those games to this day.
I own one of these full sets in box. It's really cool. I wish I had more 3D games! All I have is the pack-in Missile Defense, but that's pretty cool.
It's funny what we think is cool when you are young. I thought those Sega Scope glasses were soooooooo cool! 😎
Yup. Blew me the heck away immediately. I thought gaming was evolving into that style of design.
@@SegaLordX It seems like 3d has always been trying to be the next big thing in both video games and movies and always fails but has produced some good examples. I think were done with seeing 3D now that VR exists how it does.
I remember seeing this in the catalog that you got with some games but never saw it in stores.
Another fantastic video! The Sega Scope 3D Master System bundle was MY introduction to the Sega Master System and boy did it leave a lasting impression. I LOVED Missle Defence 3D, Maze Hunter 3D, and Space Harrier 3D. Sega was way ahead of the time with this tech. To this day I often thought it was a wasted opportunity to not have more of these games ported over on the 3DS. To that end, I think another missed opportunity is from Nintendo themselves for not porting over their Virtual Boy games to the 3DS. Thanks for the memories. Truly a magical time where games were made to be fun and were not concerned about making political statements.
I love the 8 bit content, keep them coming SLX.
Outrun and Space Harrier 3D are both available on the Japan only Sega 3D Fukkoku Archives. If you have any way to play Japanese 3DS games, it’s a must buy.
I proudly own a boxed set of 3-D Glasses and the complete library of games. I remember my best mate getting these back when they were released for Christmas.. he found them and we had a sneaky play before Christmas Day!
Pretty much agree with all the points made by SLX in his review. I never understood why Line of Fire had the 3D option hidden (just a mention in the manual). It’s not like there were loads of games so surely if they went to the effort of implementing a 3D mode it should have been marketed as a 3D game.. at least stating it has a 3D mode on the box?!
The glasses probably also work with the MasterSystem converter as it has the card slot.. not tested this though.
Great episode :-)
there is a patch to remove the 3d from Missile Defense 3D to play it with just the light phaser. There aren't many games to choose from in the light phaser selection so its a very welcome addition, IMO.
didnt even know this existed until now! :O
Someone needs to make a master system emulator for the Oculus Quest! I have a Virtual Boy Emulator on it, I'd love to play the Sega Scope games in a VR headset too!
Yup, that’d be awesome.
The 15 fps is a tough sell these days but I can't say it bothers me personally. There is always that halving aspect when you can only render one screen, not much credit ever goes to Virtual Boy but it did have dedicated horsepower per eye.
Worth mentioning if you can only find the SMS adapter, ASUS and others made some compatible shutter glasses, that's the route I'm taking for my enormous head lol. Also recommend "jim_64's 8-Bit Projects" who made VR64 goggles for the C64.
Like most past fads we can do that effect much better now as those 3DS arcade ports showed, especially in frame rate.
From the look of the Japanese master system, the card adaptor isn't needed because it has a preassigned jack for the glasses which is convenient to say the least.
Did you know you can play Sega Master 3D games in 3D on those old Virtual iO I-glasses? I’m sure you’ve heard of them. The 3D looks cleaner and less dark on them
Tip for people trying to get into the Sega Scope 3D today. Assuming you have the TV for it...there is still a big problem in that people are trying to sell Sega Glasses for an arm an a leg. Also, many tend to be broken (fragile hinges) and were designed to smaller heads.
What you really need is just the module that plugs into the card slot and people sell those for a much more reasonable price. Then you can buy a "modern" pair of LCD shutter glasses because they all pretty much use the same technology and as long as it has a 3.5 stereo plug it probably should work. These are usually much cheaper than genuine Sega glasses.
Currently the Asus VR-100G seems to be the easiest to buy at roughly $20. You can also get the Nintendo 3D glasses from Japan (yup, Nintendo also has this!) which are not as cheap, but probably cheaper and easier to get than Sega Glasses as least (and looks to be less fragile since it uses straps).
I had Zaxxon 3-D for the Master System when I was a kid, and let me tell you. The music and sounds are much better in the FM version. Unfortunately, I had the PSG version, which really hurt my ears every time I played it. The title theme music, to me, is like nails on a chalkboard every time I hear the PSG rendering of it.
Most of the FM soundtracks sound much better in this video.
Amazing content
"we can only hope Sega realise this"
*10,000 years pass without Sega realising this
The only thing Sega has realized is that Sonic sells. The rest is still a crapshoot for them holding on to many blissful ips and not doing anything with them...thankfully we have those Alien games...lol.
Great timing! Just bought one of these the other week.. didn't realise how small they were and def for kids :|
I forgot about missile defense 3D. Total deja vu!
When I found out about the 3D glasses for the Master System I had to get a pair. Overall I think the games are enjoyable and a worthwhile addition.
Awesome
It's strange that OutRun 3-D wasn't released outside of Europe, but had the option of an FM soundtrack...
Damn, that game over screen for Missile Defense is kind of harsh. "You let one get through. Millions are dead. Thanks, jackass."
Thanks to videos like this I remember why the master system bombed so hard.
3D was a nice feature, but not the system's main focus. OutRun and Space Harrier are still fun without it.
I wouldn’t let games for a peripheral like this dictate your opinion on the library. The snes was much better than the games on the Super Scope for example.
@@SegaLordX I remember playing Yoshi Safari with no issues, but the cart made for the Super Scope was a pain, especially navigating the main menu of games. It didn't last, and me and my family were back to playing stuff like DKC.
Funny how history repeats itself. Walk into a game shop in the late 80s, and you see Sega re-releasing some of their MS games now with a 3D enhancement. Walk into a modern day game shop, and you see PS4 games being re-released with VR enhancements.
Heh - the Zaxxon thing looks like the Atari 2600 version with better graphics.
Which I had and played the sh-t out of and loved despite it being so barely like the arcade version, btw.
Neat vid - thanks for showing this thing I missed completely but would have been wanting big time if I'd known about it way way back!
The zaxxon version is just like the one I had on my coleco
I had this it was great it bugged your eyes out but still was great
This is dope🔥 asf bro the Nostalgia♡sega♡3d😎🔫🕹🎮 1987' is my year too... 😏wow 33 years ago
Interestingly, the Zaxxon 3D version looks exactly like the ports of Zaxxon to the Atari 2600 and the Intellivision (without the 3 D of course), as those systems weren't strong enough to display the arcade game's isometric view. Not sure if this was just coincidence, or some of the people a Sega recalled that.
Wouldn't be surprised if the 2D mode in Space Harrier was only meant to make the development easier
Thanks for the video, I always learn something new about sega, i was wondering, will you make a video about that fishing rod for the dreamcast, i really would like to know more about it
I had Space Harrier 3D back then and felt it was such an improvement over the original SMS game.
Makes me wonder what the Genesis could have done with the 3D glasses (getting them to work with the 16 bit console is another thing altogether).
I still have my working 3D glasses and a pair of good Light Phasers (you have to have 2 to do co-op Gangster Town!), and many of these games. I was quietly hoping that there were more than I knew about out there, but I suppose not. Still, I very much agree about Maze Hunter 3D being the showpiece, though I definitely like Zaxxon 3D more than you did. I like Space Harrier as well, but part of that may be bias toward the series. Missile Defense 3D is a good time, and while not as fun as other gun games on the SMS like Gangster Town, Rescue Mission, and Rambo III, it's still a must for anyone who has the glasses.
Also, if anyone is curious, the Sega Scope 3D glasses do work with a power base converter on a Sega Genesis. That's how I've always played, since my Master System is a Master System II.
Yeah man, Maze Hunter has the best effects I thought. It looks so convincing.
Were all of those 8 games also available on the mark 3? Because I own some of them on the mark 3, plus the boxes look much better in my opinion :-)
14:14 actually UA-cam does support 3d stereoscopic videos. But I guess capturing or editing the footage from an emulator as side-by-side 3D is the problem.
Aye that’s the console from Regular Show!!!!
Great video, the 3D glasses were the pride of my Master System collection when I was a kid and I like to play it every once in a while. I waited anxiously for 20 years when 3d games started coming out in order to the feel the same thing again. I only disagree with your Zaxxon analysis. It is a fairly simple game, but a very good one if you get beyond the learning curve. I spent countless hours playing this one.
I love gaming in 3d. Never tried the Master system attempt. I wonder if there is a way to play them on modern displays.