Why people think she is broken?!? All my friends and I agree that she is basically the weakest dps. If you lose against her, you just have a skill issue and if you die by her slow ult like you kinda deserve to have lost.
@@jaydenjayden3778 sadly people confuse easy to you with broken rather than what the hero can objectively do even more so at the high end is what's broken
@@Nyehhhhhh most broken characters are easier to use because when they are overpowered or broken, they give too much value for too little skill. High skill characters are rarely called broken because the value should scale properly with skill. And broken characters can also depend at what avg skill/rank the lobby is. Hence why there can be tier lists for character at different ranks.
That probably will change once people learn the game better. It will be a problem at some point when ranked gets big. But rn no one cares cuz its fun and I can barely tell if people are op cuz everything is so crazy
@@zacharyhg ALL of them are powerful, (apart from black widow) and that is what makes the meta so good and diverse, something that alot of games struggle with. This is the BEST thing in marvel rivals
It’s a marvel hero game nothing needs patching everyone is OP in their own way and it’s as balanced as it gets . We want to feel like super powerful heroes that’s why this game is fun!
Psylocke doesn't compete against Ironfist, Spider-Man, and so many others. Granted she's AROUND S-Tier. It's just some characters are insane compared to her.
In all honesty, there really aren't any broken characters. Each hero has a counter, and all the ones that feel broken have some really hard counters. Just gonna know the match ups.
Dude iron fist when he ults hitting that 7 page Muda. And i love it haha. But my main in winter soldier and that ult reset is busted in the right hands 😂
One Web from Penny, Parker and Wanda’s ultimate is completely gone same with iron man and hella and as for iron fist whip him up, keep your distance and he’s pretty easy to take down
I’d say Hawkeye should be up there and Spider-Man and iron fist should be tied because spider man can one hit combo any squishy while iron can brawl for longer
Imo, the only characters that need changes and their respective changes are these: Wanda: reduce or get rid of aimbot and reduce charges of that vanishing ability and give it a short cooldown. Her ult is powerful but avoidable, it's fair imo Iron Fist: reduce mobility, hes powerful and all but the only way he doesn't die is with a healer or his ult, but yeah his ult can be very problematic because he can chase pretty fast characters and that should not happen. He's not that broken, but has brainrot gameplay and that needs to change, low risk high reward character. Hawkeye: fix arrows hitbox, there are tons of videos of how sh!tty they are. Other than that, he's ok. Namor: reduce "turret" projectile speed, it counters characters like Spidey or Iron Man cause they're too precise and force these characters to run every time, making them really hard to play when a Namor is in the other team. One thing is countering a character, but it's a different thing when aimbot and AI does it for you, specially for Spidey who struggles destroying those little Namor buddies Venom: just redice damage, he's the only Tank character who can do way more dmg than DMG type characters with little effort, all the other are tanky but do decent or low dmg. Maybe Peni Parker does a little too much dmg too but Venom's is way higher. Moon Knight: his ult requires too little energy, it's really spammy, other than that he's ok, high skill ceiling (yesterday I saw a Moon Knight use 4 ults in 5 minutes) And lastly, of the ones I've tried is Spidey. Right now hes kinda ok, but let's remember he has a 15% damage boost this season and can barely kill 250 health characters before they get healed or retreat. When eventually this boost is no longer, Spidey will struggle like no other. Oh and maybe some healers' ults shouldn't make everyone almost invincible. Maybe their users should be really tough while using ults, but make it so their entire team are sponge bullets? It's just too much. Anyways, I've been playing for just a few days, maybe my opinion will change but this is what I think, and these are changes that would balance characters without making them unplayable. And Hela is fine imo, she's a dmg beast but her ult is easily avoidable considering how many buildings and walls there are in the map, and how many healers can help even without ults. Her shots are too fast though, she can spam them like crazy and just hope she hits a head, which is not that hard considering how many enemies there are in a team and how much they move, most of the time luck will help you in getting headshots.
Psylocke is by far the strongest in the game imo, if you get good at her she wins every game. Also starting to think Mantis might be overtuned but could be crazy 😭
Hawkeye is insane at the higher ranks. I've seen people take over the entire lobby with him if they are good. Tbh any character can cook if they are in the right hands which is what I love about this game.
@@chuyyoupersonally I think psylocke is stronger but hela is a close 2nd, hela is alot easier to pick up which is why her being strong feels more noticeable
@@alexjats4036 totally agree, seen people cracked on just about every character, except storm and rocket who I think are definitely on the weaker side of characters
Iron fist may need to be adjusted a bit more. Im a healer main and used him once cus we were lacking a dps and still did well and wiped their backline most of the time. I dont know if he really is a high skill character or I just understood his kit well as someone often targetted by ironfist mains
Any character can be broken, when the game is that new if you have hundreds of hours on a character it will feel like its broken for anyone playing against it. Like i have currently 200 hours on Psylocke and every game people says nerf Psylocke but she’s not overpowered, people just dont communicate so i can get 2-3 kills in the back before they realize im there
If u got to say right hands they probably not over power but there’s a lot of very strong character which is good. Only people like need a slight tuning is moonknight a insane damage, iron fist ease of use and survivability, sharks healing and ult and Wanda’s damage for how easy it is to hit someone. But very slight changes and some buffs will probably level things out
I have not seen a single person talk about how underrated Magik is, so I will. She has a oneshot combo for all non tank heroes in the game, which isn’t even that hard to pull off and is almost impossible to get out of because of how fast it happens and because you’re locked into her uppercut ability. Not to mention her ult, which makes you capable of killing any non tanks with ease and making you a huge threat on an objective that either forces people off or kills them. I’ve even won some 1v1s on site with tanks with this ults. Magik is BUSTED and I hope nobody else realizes so she doesn’t get nerfed and I can keep playing her.
magik is definitely solid but busted is a stretch moon knight ,hela,hawkeye and winter soldier are more overtuned than magik can ever be since it’s not hard to counter dive
@saviourofdreamlandz4099 Moon Knight isn't busted though, he's just strong because people don't pay attention for his Ankh. Hela is just the server admin, and Hawkeye is easily dove.
As a Magik main while the combo won't one shot a tank it will take most of their health, it's not hard to finish them after that if given the opportunity.
@@saviourofdreamlandz4099 after playing more of the game and other dps heroes, i agree. not busted, and not better than any of the heroes you listed, but still definitely stronger than people give her credit for
Wanda is probably like bottom 5 in the game imo. Luckily, the game is well balanced and even the bad characters are still playable and winnable on. Cloak and Dagger are just a better version of wanda tho.
A good Wanda is definitely annoying to play against but idk if I’d call her op. Also u can see a red light when she goes invis, when u learn to look out for it it’s really easy to see
I was using wanda in competetive convoy, I used her ult twice in different times but boy oh boy I did a GREAT job killing off half of the enemies. We still lost but atleast it was fun :D
Yeah, for the first day I thought he was broken but then I started to become better at countering him on my two support mains by freezing him and teleporting away
Why do none of you UA-camrs mention Hawkeye. He is so busted. And no he does not require good aim. His projectile hit box is massive. He one shots everything. How is that not broken to you
Main reason I went back to overwatch, the game is such an unbalanced mess it's insane, not to mention there's zero reason to play tank or support. They need to balance the game. Add role queue Add hero bans. Make a proper comp mode Make better maps. Add more maps. Remove the annoying MVP/intro cutscenes that always pop up in menus Have a mode where the destructive environment is turned off Have a first person mode And stop stealing events from over games 😂 the winter event is Splatoon and we all know Nintendo is coming for their ass
If ur thinking like that I could say that Hawkeye is broken since I got 34 kills and 2 deaths with him but that's just skill, doesn't necessarily mean he's broken or that moon knight is broken
@l_b0zo273 I mean, I can get 3 kills with him every minute, sometimes even 4 if I’m lucky, which I would consider broken. Guess he is somewhat of a casual character, etc etc, but he really is broken at times if not all the time. Like, I can get (as previously stated) 3-4 kills by throwing my daggers at the cross thing (I should probably know what it’s called, so that’s mb), so I’d say he is definitely broken at least sometimes. Also, just gonna say it, sometimes Hawkeye is annoyingly good, but he’s still pretty cool. Good job not having a Wanda main 👍
I have an easy solution to all op characters in this game…..GO BACK TO OVERWATCH 2 AND LEAVE MY OP CHARACTERS ALONE! They are super hero’s they should be that way
I main wanda shes alright and thats it and i get 30+ kill games, the character is easy to kill every scarlet witch iv seen was no biggy to me and in rank she aint all that , iron fist tho if u aint focused on him he will give u a 2 piece and your back to spawn
Use this as a dislike button for Wanda mains
Nah
I hate her sometimes ngl
Someone's salty
@ yeah, me
Why people think she is broken?!? All my friends and I agree that she is basically the weakest dps. If you lose against her, you just have a skill issue and if you die by her slow ult like you kinda deserve to have lost.
Hawkeye can literally one shot most characters as long as the person playing has good aim.
@@jaydenjayden3778 sadly people confuse easy to you with broken rather than what the hero can objectively do even more so at the high end is what's broken
Not even you can spam a choke and get lucky headshots
@@Nyehhhhhh most broken characters are easier to use because when they are overpowered or broken, they give too much value for too little skill. High skill characters are rarely called broken because the value should scale properly with skill. And broken characters can also depend at what avg skill/rank the lobby is. Hence why there can be tier lists for character at different ranks.
@@gios2211 broken characters are characters fundamentally broken and can't be over came with skill
@@jaydenjayden3778 yeah I got COOKED by Hawkeye a couple hours ago and lost a bunch of elo🥲
The nice thing about this game is that everything is overpowered, which makes everything balanced.
@@Rocker_411 fr
That probably will change once people learn the game better. It will be a problem at some point when ranked gets big. But rn no one cares cuz its fun and I can barely tell if people are op cuz everything is so crazy
nah it just makes the slightly weaker characters even worse lol
@@padenelliott5443 Yeah, Hopefully they can sustain this because it feels so nice to not have to keep up with the meta and just have fun.
rs
They should of made Wolverine have more sustain than Iron Fist
yes
@@XennaShieldOP-pu6le fr I pulled up and got embarrassed in the 1v1 safe to say I was 3 deep next time we met..... still died 💀😭
@@XennaShieldOP-pu6le Iron Fist is OP because he's an Asian character in a game made by Asians, sounds cringy but it's true.
@@theoutlawking9123 FAX all the asian characters in VALORANT are op and tencent own riot too.
@@Nodo-CAD Didn't think they would stoop so low, with favoritism but they did.
Everyone feels broken , and that’s good
that’s just not true. that’s never a good thing
@@zacharyhg has never had fun in his life
@@zacharyhg ALL of them are powerful, (apart from black widow) and that is what makes the meta so good and diverse, something that alot of games struggle with. This is the BEST thing in marvel rivals
Hulk mains: It’s about time we introduce ourselves
@@Bigbrollicblackdudenamedrequis XD
Star lord seems to be someone no one's talking about, he's so good
Iron fist may be good to you but coming from someone who mains a support…. PUT IT IN HELL GET AWAY FROM THE BACK LINES!
Its so unbalanced that it became somewhat balanced
As a iron man main I can confirm iron firsts kick my ass in the air, other 2 that Give me the most trouble are hela and hawkeye
@isaacboone1255 I know how you feel I had a match where an iron fist hunted my ass I only managed to kill him once
As a Jeff main speaking from most of supporters he’s In the back lines and beating us up
As a Jeff main speaking from most supports he’s in the back and beating us up help
It’s a marvel hero game nothing needs patching everyone is OP in their own way and it’s as balanced as it gets . We want to feel like super powerful heroes that’s why this game is fun!
Bro hasn't played against psylocke yet
Psylocke doesn't compete against Ironfist, Spider-Man, and so many others.
Granted she's AROUND S-Tier. It's just some characters are insane compared to her.
@@PhantomedShazamTheOriginal spider-man has a very high skill cap that should be deserved/respected. Definitely not a spider-man main
@@Iexisthere-vw3bo he also has a low skill floor
@Sdffggggj he does not if someone is stupid they get 1 kill and 11 deaths because they were in the frontlines
Most pick Spiderman because he's their favourite hero but don't realise he's not easy to use
Hawkeye can literally one shot and hulk can straight up cancel your supers especially if you are flying in air
In all honesty, there really aren't any broken characters. Each hero has a counter, and all the ones that feel broken have some really hard counters. Just gonna know the match ups.
0 place : bucky when someone doesn't care about him free shooting
Bucky:”Again”
Everyone:👀
Dude iron fist when he ults hitting that 7 page Muda. And i love it haha. But my main in winter soldier and that ult reset is busted in the right hands 😂
In the upper ranks, they all are okay except Hella. She's just broken
Good to see an Ironfist ppl love for once
if everyone was broken, no one is
Iron first is straight up crazy
One Web from Penny, Parker and Wanda’s ultimate is completely gone same with iron man and hella and as for iron fist whip him up, keep your distance and he’s pretty easy to take down
Everyone is broken thats what makes games fun for the most part they all feel op and when everyone is op no one is
I had a iron fist flying with me when I was iron man
As an iron fist main i agree he is over powered and i enjoy the awesome moments when im boxing iron man in the sky cause of the lock on move
Just don’t beat up us healers in the back lines..
when everything is broken , it a perfectly balance
Honestly every hero can be op which makes it interesting
Broken means they break the game. They just OP
This dude has the biggest glow up in all of content creator history
Iron fist is my main love just punching through an entire team
Your evil get out the back lines let me heal my team
I’d say Hawkeye should be up there and Spider-Man and iron fist should be tied because spider man can one hit combo any squishy while iron can brawl for longer
Honestly Ironfist and Scarlett players been struggling in my games
Iron fist
Punisher
Hella
''If everyone is super,No one is.'' Syndrome was right all along!
Imo, the only characters that need changes and their respective changes are these:
Wanda: reduce or get rid of aimbot and reduce charges of that vanishing ability and give it a short cooldown. Her ult is powerful but avoidable, it's fair imo
Iron Fist: reduce mobility, hes powerful and all but the only way he doesn't die is with a healer or his ult, but yeah his ult can be very problematic because he can chase pretty fast characters and that should not happen. He's not that broken, but has brainrot gameplay and that needs to change, low risk high reward character.
Hawkeye: fix arrows hitbox, there are tons of videos of how sh!tty they are. Other than that, he's ok.
Namor: reduce "turret" projectile speed, it counters characters like Spidey or Iron Man cause they're too precise and force these characters to run every time, making them really hard to play when a Namor is in the other team. One thing is countering a character, but it's a different thing when aimbot and AI does it for you, specially for Spidey who struggles destroying those little Namor buddies
Venom: just redice damage, he's the only Tank character who can do way more dmg than DMG type characters with little effort, all the other are tanky but do decent or low dmg. Maybe Peni Parker does a little too much dmg too but Venom's is way higher.
Moon Knight: his ult requires too little energy, it's really spammy, other than that he's ok, high skill ceiling (yesterday I saw a Moon Knight use 4 ults in 5 minutes)
And lastly, of the ones I've tried is Spidey. Right now hes kinda ok, but let's remember he has a 15% damage boost this season and can barely kill 250 health characters before they get healed or retreat. When eventually this boost is no longer, Spidey will struggle like no other.
Oh and maybe some healers' ults shouldn't make everyone almost invincible. Maybe their users should be really tough while using ults, but make it so their entire team are sponge bullets? It's just too much.
Anyways, I've been playing for just a few days, maybe my opinion will change but this is what I think, and these are changes that would balance characters without making them unplayable.
And Hela is fine imo, she's a dmg beast but her ult is easily avoidable considering how many buildings and walls there are in the map, and how many healers can help even without ults. Her shots are too fast though, she can spam them like crazy and just hope she hits a head, which is not that hard considering how many enemies there are in a team and how much they move, most of the time luck will help you in getting headshots.
Don’t forget Wolverine needs a buff like yesterday
Jeff would like a word
Psylocke is by far the strongest in the game imo, if you get good at her she wins every game. Also starting to think Mantis might be overtuned but could be crazy 😭
@@hedgehogarmy46 Hela is stronger.
Hawkeye is insane at the higher ranks. I've seen people take over the entire lobby with him if they are good. Tbh any character can cook if they are in the right hands which is what I love about this game.
@@chuyyoupersonally I think psylocke is stronger but hela is a close 2nd, hela is alot easier to pick up which is why her being strong feels more noticeable
@@alexjats4036 totally agree, seen people cracked on just about every character, except storm and rocket who I think are definitely on the weaker side of characters
Nah, Iron Fist solos
Iron fist may need to be adjusted a bit more. Im a healer main and used him once cus we were lacking a dps and still did well and wiped their backline most of the time. I dont know if he really is a high skill character or I just understood his kit well as someone often targetted by ironfist mains
Bro didn’t even mention jeff the landshark
Any character can be broken, when the game is that new if you have hundreds of hours on a character it will feel like its broken for anyone playing against it. Like i have currently 200 hours on Psylocke and every game people says nerf Psylocke but she’s not overpowered, people just dont communicate so i can get 2-3 kills in the back before they realize im there
scarlet is one of the woooorst charactars😂😂
And yet I thought SPARKING ZERO was OVERPOWERED! Like damn! 😭☠️
Wanda, Starlord and Iron fist are absolutely no skill bro
Wanda sucks
If you rush like an idiot you ain't gonna do sht with iron fist
I been getting 30 plus kills a game with Hawkeye 😂 no one seems to use him but he's absolutely busted
Wanda is just moira all over again
If u got to say right hands they probably not over power but there’s a lot of very strong character which is good. Only people like need a slight tuning is moonknight a insane damage, iron fist ease of use and survivability, sharks healing and ult and Wanda’s damage for how easy it is to hit someone. But very slight changes and some buffs will probably level things out
Wanda is garbage and easy to eliminate
Bro, Psylocke and Moon Knight are RIDICULOUS 😂
I love Jeff so much. One time I used the ultra and killed 6 players with him 😂
@@VoidProducts bro Jeff needs to be nerfed though, or get penalized if he kamikazes someone
Wanda is not cheesy at all, she has 0 burst damage. Mid at best
He say that but Iron Fist never beaten me in a 1v1
We start saying whats broken then people are gonna whine when the characters get nerfed. 😂😂. Can never satisfy people
I want to try out Wanda. Currently Winter Soldier main tho
People changing mains way too much, I don’t recommend you using Wanda tho cuz she is so easy to kill.
I love countering an Iron man as Iron fist. I do think his tracking should be nerffed but it's really funny when they try to fly away.
Overall every character is broken :skull:
I have not seen a single person talk about how underrated Magik is, so I will. She has a oneshot combo for all non tank heroes in the game, which isn’t even that hard to pull off and is almost impossible to get out of because of how fast it happens and because you’re locked into her uppercut ability. Not to mention her ult, which makes you capable of killing any non tanks with ease and making you a huge threat on an objective that either forces people off or kills them. I’ve even won some 1v1s on site with tanks with this ults. Magik is BUSTED and I hope nobody else realizes so she doesn’t get nerfed and I can keep playing her.
Magik is a hit or miss, as a Melee player main. I love her, but I prefer BP.
magik is definitely solid but busted is a stretch moon knight ,hela,hawkeye and winter soldier are more overtuned than magik can ever be since it’s not hard to counter dive
@saviourofdreamlandz4099 Moon Knight isn't busted though, he's just strong because people don't pay attention for his Ankh. Hela is just the server admin, and Hawkeye is easily dove.
As a Magik main while the combo won't one shot a tank it will take most of their health, it's not hard to finish them after that if given the opportunity.
@@saviourofdreamlandz4099 after playing more of the game and other dps heroes, i agree. not busted, and not better than any of the heroes you listed, but still definitely stronger than people give her credit for
Wanda is probably like bottom 5 in the game imo. Luckily, the game is well balanced and even the bad characters are still playable and winnable on. Cloak and Dagger are just a better version of wanda tho.
IF doesn't require skill. I picked him up yesterday and got used to him pretty quickly
A good Wanda is definitely annoying to play against but idk if I’d call her op. Also u can see a red light when she goes invis, when u learn to look out for it it’s really easy to see
Nah it must be a you problem if you find her annoying
@ i play her, I’m aware of how annoying I can be. I get targeted in my games semi often
@ no trust me, you ain’t annoying while playing as her. Try out Loki or even Bucky cuz they could make us players a bit frustrated .
@T0X1C_Demon *Persuasion check passed.* You’re right I must be confused and not know what I’m talking about
I was using wanda in competetive convoy, I used her ult twice in different times but boy oh boy I did a GREAT job killing off half of the enemies. We still lost but atleast it was fun :D
I would smoke you if you ever use Wanda 😂
Never died to a Wanda, I’m chilling. 😎
A good Hawkeye is unstoppable
Iron first is a Avengers level threat
Iron fist is literally useless if they have supports with any brain. And if he doesn't have his block cooldown and continues to go in he just dies.
Yeah, for the first day I thought he was broken but then I started to become better at countering him on my two support mains by freezing him and teleporting away
Don’t sleep on Bucky
Ya’ll are sleeping on Namor, if used with Luna Snow he can pop out some massive damage with the minions
Yeah boring
Oh yeah, 90% of the time I have a naymor on my team we win (I’m a Luna main so he usually has the team up) and playing against him is so difficult
I kod 3 tanks with iron fists ult with the right timing
Most broken comp
Rocket jeff groot punisher + whatever you want
I think the game is pretty balanced.
Wanda is easy, but she’s not broken. She’s good in the lower ranks but just meh when you get higher up, similar to Moira in OW, same gameplay too.
What about Psylocke
Nah Wanda is like A tier lol
The most brain dead character would have to go to Star Lord
They should remove that auto attack from wanda
Why do none of you UA-camrs mention Hawkeye. He is so busted. And no he does not require good aim. His projectile hit box is massive. He one shots everything. How is that not broken to you
Hmm i wonder who wanda reminds me of.. a certain scientist i think? (Ifykyk)
I’m a Jeff the land shark main😂😂😂
Sleeping on Mantis
3) Hawkeye
2) Loki
1) Iron Fist
Whoever said everything is broke so it’s balanced is trippin did you not see that iron fist play lol
Main reason I went back to overwatch, the game is such an unbalanced mess it's insane, not to mention there's zero reason to play tank or support.
They need to balance the game.
Add role queue
Add hero bans.
Make a proper comp mode
Make better maps.
Add more maps.
Remove the annoying MVP/intro cutscenes that always pop up in menus
Have a mode where the destructive environment is turned off
Have a first person mode
And stop stealing events from over games 😂 the winter event is Splatoon and we all know Nintendo is coming for their ass
I think hela is fine, I agree with the other 2 though.
I also think iron man and the punisher are too overpowered
I got 16 kills with Moon Knight in one match, and only died in 3 times. Where is he? Why is he not on the list?
@@Cliffjumper-k1w literally just went on a 20 kill streak with him. He’s so cracked
If ur thinking like that I could say that Hawkeye is broken since I got 34 kills and 2 deaths with him but that's just skill, doesn't necessarily mean he's broken or that moon knight is broken
@l_b0zo273 I mean, I can get 3 kills with him every minute, sometimes even 4 if I’m lucky, which I would consider broken. Guess he is somewhat of a casual character, etc etc, but he really is broken at times if not all the time. Like, I can get (as previously stated) 3-4 kills by throwing my daggers at the cross thing (I should probably know what it’s called, so that’s mb), so I’d say he is definitely broken at least sometimes. Also, just gonna say it, sometimes Hawkeye is annoyingly good, but he’s still pretty cool. Good job not having a Wanda main 👍
Went 40/5 on Spider-Man
@ damn
As a jeff main, i hate iron fist.
Nah Iron Fist and Wanda swap places.
Hulk needd buff...
iron fist is the most annoying yes lol
hela needs skills? WTF She One taps without even aiming
Doctor Strange is the best character to troll with 😂
I love playing magik for me she is op
Bro I use iron fist like crazy love him and punisher
I have an easy solution to all op characters in this game…..GO BACK TO OVERWATCH 2 AND LEAVE MY OP CHARACTERS ALONE! They are super hero’s they should be that way
Scarlet which can easily counter iron fist
I main wanda shes alright and thats it and i get 30+ kill games, the character is easy to kill every scarlet witch iv seen was no biggy to me and in rank she aint all that ,
iron fist tho if u aint focused on him he will give u a 2 piece and your back to spawn
😂😂😂*im just joking
Moira? What are you doing here? Overwatch is over there 👉🏼
No Spiderman?
"whem everything is broken, everything is balanced"
Yea that's called terrible game design
Wanda is so annoying especially when she's running away. Iron Fist is my guy
If Wanda is annoying to you then you should get a bit better in the game cuz I find her easier to kill than jeff the shark
Great game but screw Jeff
Scarlet is just not that good. She needs buffs. Shes just easy for beginners
The only valid opinion on this list is hela the other 2 are noob stompers
Jeff the shark
psylocke is the best character in the game
Bro I got a 50 Bomb with hela