@@xforcepc well, the amd system is maxed out at 6000 mhz with 3d cache but the intel system can do 7200 or even more and its bottlenecked by slower ram. How is it fair?
Hi could you do a comparison between the 5900x and 7900X3D , I want to see what the actual increase in xplane' 12 to see if it's worth upgrading my 5900x I have running co , and custom pp tlimits , also why did not put world density at max settings
@@light3267 You can get 2x16GB of DDR5-6000 CL30 for about $130. The 13900K is about $40 cheaper than the 7900X3D. At best for that price difference you're getting DDR5-6400 CL32. The cheapest 2x16GB DDR-7200 CL34 I've seen is $220. Also, from what I've seen the scaling on memory for the 13900K, while present, isn't especially significant. Compare to DDR-6000 CL36, DDR5-7200 CL34 typically offers up to a 2% performance benefit. It's easy to google and see that it really doesn't make much difference at all running at that faster frequency memory.
So the Ryzen is 300Mhz slower here, and consuming much less power, yet beats the Intel chip fairly convincingly. That said, I will be sticking with my Ryzen 5800X3D and RTX 3080 Ti for the foreseeable future.
I think the 5800X3D is AMD's own worst enemy. After looking at the gains for the 7900X3D/7950X3D in MSFS over the 5800X3D isn't not worth the upgrade. I have it myself it was a game changer in MSFS but didn't really do much for me in xplane. I also went from a 6900xt to a 4080 and running frame generation is game changer there as well in MSFS. If you went from a 3080ti to the 4000 series you would see a difference in MSFS. But if you're just using the 3080ti just in Xplane 11/12 then yea not worth upgrading.
@@Cdawg-vb7no I only game at 1440p, so the 3080ti is fine for me to be honest. I do have MSFS, but I prefer x-plane. I run that with triple 1440p screens on two PCs.
Hi, from what did you upgrade to a 5800x3d please ? I’m considering this cpu for fixing some cpu bottleneck on several games including xplane. I currently have a 5800x
Hi Michael, thanks for this video. Would love to see an additional video on the new 7800X3D if you do get ahold of one as it does differ in chip architecture.
One thing to mentionned for the future buyers of the 7900x3D CPU is that this magic cache is not apply to all of his core instead of the 7800x3D wich does. When MSFS 2024 will be out and Laminar's team will (at last I hope ! Ben , pleaaaaase !) use all the core of the CPU for their sim (it's sure now for MSFS2024), the 7800 X3Dwill be a better match for flight simming (even with less freq ).
Hi Mike, Why wouldn't you use higher settings that put more demand on both CPUs, looks like you have the ability to raise the sliders a bit more. Also, what would be the bottleneck if you maxed out XP12? Thanks
Yes, its a great side by side. But I really really wish he would do something like this for MSFS. I have $3000 cash ready to go for him, but I really need help to determine the best system/upgrades to buy from his company - alas I dont have xplane.
@@mstar5831 Can't go wrong with the setup that Michael is using in the demo. If anything it will run better on MSFS because they have a lot more developers and receive more support.
I couldn't see much between them. The AMD running a few % faster on frames, and less energy. Other than that pretty close I'd say. I'm wondering how a 7900X would compare with the 3D variant on AMD chip. Thanks for the video
Hi, i have a laptop, 5900HX and Radeon 6700M, i installed latest drivers and the performance has tanked a lot When i install drivers 22.5.1 to 22.8.2 it works flawlessly From 22.10.1 and later the performance drop is huge Any tips?
Thanks for you always honest and informative vids Michael. Good to see AMD stepping up to the plate. Nothing to make me want to upgrade my current i9 13900k/rtx4090/z790, but probably something to think with my next major PC upgrade in 2-3 years time. One quick question mate; I currently have 32Gb 5200MHz ram and now that ddr5 prices are slowly coming down, do you think it's worth upgrading to faster ram (I see you have 32Gb 6000MHz)? In Australia I have 2x ~ same price point options; 32Gb 7600MHz or 64Gb 6000Mhz. Which do you think would be better with my current flight sims (xp11/12 and msfs)? Many thanks again mate and cheers.
Very interesting! Pretty much the same spec machine (with intel) I was looking at building except maybe doing 64gb of that spec ram. I thought the fps was going to be significantly higher with that GPU/processor combo. Is it even possible to run a 4k display at 60fps consistently down low with surrounding objects??
Happy to see the AMD ahead, always good if the underdog catches up, creates a healthy balance on the market. I also see why I don`t ever start my X-Plane installation, when I look at its graphics, that seem to have been stuck in time at least a decade ago. Though I also have to say that graphics isn't everything, regarding an overall simulator performance, but the rest isn't that much realistic either.
I'm currently with an i7 8700K and a RTX 2080 XCII should I upgrade for a 7900X3D and 4090? I'm thinking about getting into VR in the near future. I mostly play DCS and Flight Simulator.
Dear Michael, For a new build I’m debating between the 7800x3d and the 13600k for XPlane. Any recommendations or tips please? I’ll be using a RTX 3080. Thank you
Hey Michael, Thanks for all your insights. Any tips for stuttering in vr xp12. System ryzen 5600x 3070 32 gb 3200 RAM. Runs well with smooth 50fps in 2D but locks at 20 on vr. Looks excellent and smooth on screen but stutters when looking sideways or turning. Some days it smooth and others it's rubbish. Ocukus Rift 2. Works beautifully on DCS. Note DCS is going multi threaded soon. Apparently quite the performance boost from those doing beta testing. FYI. Speak to Austin please. Haha we want it :) Thanks in advance 😀
Your first bottleneck is the graphic card. Remember that in VR the GPU has to calculate two 3d images instead of one. I have a 5700x with a 4070 Ti which is just powerful enough for the Quest 2 (fluid i and playable in game). Next time I change my cpu for a 7800x3D. I'm waiting for AMD's next cpu generation in few months (the price of the 7800X3D will drop). You can still get more FPS in your actual setup but you'll have to lower your graphical settings.
You mean SASL is mess and is tanking FPS. If developers learned to write software properly instead of using a 3rd party shim between the SDK and a scripting language, performance would be higher. All scripting languages suck.
Yes, I do know there is a 13900KS, but that chip is dumb and is barely any faster for a lot more money.
you should have used higher ram for the 13900k cause its not a fair fight now 😅
@@light3267 Higher ram? They are both using DDR5-6000. That is fair.
@@xforcepc well, the amd system is maxed out at 6000 mhz with 3d cache but the intel system can do 7200 or even more and its bottlenecked by slower ram. How is it fair?
Hi could you do a comparison between the 5900x and 7900X3D , I want to see what the actual increase in xplane' 12 to see if it's worth upgrading my 5900x I have running co , and custom pp tlimits , also why did not put world density at max settings
@@light3267 You can get 2x16GB of DDR5-6000 CL30 for about $130. The 13900K is about $40 cheaper than the 7900X3D. At best for that price difference you're getting DDR5-6400 CL32. The cheapest 2x16GB DDR-7200 CL34 I've seen is $220. Also, from what I've seen the scaling on memory for the 13900K, while present, isn't especially significant. Compare to DDR-6000 CL36, DDR5-7200 CL34 typically offers up to a 2% performance benefit. It's easy to google and see that it really doesn't make much difference at all running at that faster frequency memory.
Near identical performance. AMD 7900X3D a few FPS more on avarage. Thanks for sharing, Michael, very informative.
7900X3D does 5-7 fps more with significally less power consumption (37-40 W vs 52-56 W) and lower cost.
So the Ryzen is 300Mhz slower here, and consuming much less power, yet beats the Intel chip fairly convincingly. That said, I will be sticking with my Ryzen 5800X3D and RTX 3080 Ti for the foreseeable future.
I think the 5800X3D is AMD's own worst enemy. After looking at the gains for the 7900X3D/7950X3D in MSFS over the 5800X3D isn't not worth the upgrade. I have it myself it was a game changer in MSFS but didn't really do much for me in xplane. I also went from a 6900xt to a 4080 and running frame generation is game changer there as well in MSFS. If you went from a 3080ti to the 4000 series you would see a difference in MSFS. But if you're just using the 3080ti just in Xplane 11/12 then yea not worth upgrading.
@@Cdawg-vb7no I only game at 1440p, so the 3080ti is fine for me to be honest. I do have MSFS, but I prefer x-plane. I run that with triple 1440p screens on two PCs.
Hi, from what did you upgrade to a 5800x3d please ? I’m considering this cpu for fixing some cpu bottleneck on several games including xplane. I currently have a 5800x
@@romainedmond9947I had the 5950X before the 5800X3D. The 5800X3D was around 20% faster at gaming.
Thanks for the comparison. These new X3Ds are impressive with really top performance per watt
Hi Michael, thanks for this video. Would love to see an additional video on the new 7800X3D if you do get ahold of one as it does differ in chip architecture.
I have one coming tomorrow, but performance will be the same in gaming as the 7900X3D and 7950X3D.
@@xforcepc are you sure ? clock of the non x3d is higher. and x-plane 12 is not gaining from the x3d cache.
One thing to mentionned for the future buyers of the 7900x3D CPU is that this magic cache is not apply to all of his core instead of the 7800x3D wich does. When MSFS 2024 will be out and Laminar's team will (at last I hope ! Ben , pleaaaaase !) use all the core of the CPU for their sim (it's sure now for MSFS2024), the 7800 X3Dwill be a better match for flight simming (even with less freq ).
Thanks for making this, very informative.
Fancy seeing you here ;)
Great information as always. Any comparison with mac m1 m2 maybe more mini
A bit more FPS.. but the thing I notice is that the AMD chip is at a lower clock speed and lower power.
What about with VR? Similar performance gains?
Hi Mike, Why wouldn't you use higher settings that put more demand on both CPUs, looks like you have the ability to raise the sliders a bit more. Also, what would be the bottleneck if you maxed out XP12? Thanks
It would still be the CPU being the biggest bottleneck
Thank you for the information.
Yes, its a great side by side. But I really really wish he would do something like this for MSFS. I have $3000 cash ready to go for him, but I really need help to determine the best system/upgrades to buy from his company - alas I dont have xplane.
@@mstar5831 Buy the best one you can afford.
@@mstar5831 Can't go wrong with the setup that Michael is using in the demo. If anything it will run better on MSFS because they have a lot more developers and receive more support.
Great comparison thanks!
I wonder how long we'll have to wait for the ultimate CPU for Xplane12 to run it smoothly with every setting to the max
Spoiler : Never unless they upgrade the cpu thread logic
@@romainedmond9947 Multithreading would improve a lot. Because we all have 4,6, 8 cores or more and Xplane only uses 1
I couldn't see much between them. The AMD running a few % faster on frames, and less energy. Other than that pretty close I'd say. I'm wondering how a 7900X would compare with the 3D variant on AMD chip. Thanks for the video
Do you have any conclusions of your own on the differences? Would like your insight on what you showed us.
Thanks for doing this. I wish you showed the minimum frame rates though.
Are you running PBO with the 7900X3D? Or did you leave PBO off?
My wild guess is no. I believe PBO 2 mainly benefits multi-core optimized apps.
I like the AMD systems MUCH better as a more versatile computer. And Intel's history is enough for me to avoid giving them a single penny...
Hi, i have a laptop, 5900HX and Radeon 6700M, i installed latest drivers and the performance has tanked a lot
When i install drivers 22.5.1 to 22.8.2 it works flawlessly
From 22.10.1 and later the performance drop is huge
Any tips?
Thanks for you always honest and informative vids Michael. Good to see AMD stepping up to the plate. Nothing to make me want to upgrade my current i9 13900k/rtx4090/z790, but probably something to think with my next major PC upgrade in 2-3 years time.
One quick question mate; I currently have 32Gb 5200MHz ram and now that ddr5 prices are slowly coming down, do you think it's worth upgrading to faster ram (I see you have 32Gb 6000MHz)? In Australia I have 2x ~ same price point options; 32Gb 7600MHz or 64Gb 6000Mhz. Which do you think would be better with my current flight sims (xp11/12 and msfs)? Many thanks again mate and cheers.
Intel is not overly sensitive to RAM speeds. I would not worry about it. The most you would gain is 5-10%.
Very interesting! Pretty much the same spec machine (with intel) I was looking at building except maybe doing 64gb of that spec ram. I thought the fps was going to be significantly higher with that GPU/processor combo. Is it even possible to run a 4k display at 60fps consistently down low with surrounding objects??
Judging by this test, 4K with the most expensive CPU/GPU combo will achieve about 35-40 FPS in 4K. Something doesn't seem right.
Happy to see the AMD ahead, always good if the underdog catches up, creates a healthy balance on the market.
I also see why I don`t ever start my X-Plane installation, when I look at its graphics, that seem to have been stuck in time at least a decade ago. Though I also have to say that graphics isn't everything, regarding an overall simulator performance, but the rest isn't that much realistic either.
If only they did a better job with their GPUS. My RX6800 is a solid card but when it comes to XP12 its not that great.
If you know of a more realistic civilian flight sim id love to try it out
I'm currently with an i7 8700K and a RTX 2080 XCII should I upgrade for a 7900X3D and 4090? I'm thinking about getting into VR in the near future. I mostly play DCS and Flight Simulator.
Dear Michael,
For a new build I’m debating between the 7800x3d and the 13600k for XPlane. Any recommendations or tips please?
I’ll be using a RTX 3080.
Thank you
Any chance to do a test with a more mainstream card, may I suggest a 3070?
Hello Mike, if you get a chance please let us know how is the new AMD - Ryzen 7 7800X3D that is around $100 cheaper.
I did a video on that. It is good. Faster than 13900k.
ua-cam.com/video/RXNm7Hgo3ZE/v-deo.html
Hey Michael, Thanks for all your insights. Any tips for stuttering in vr xp12. System ryzen 5600x 3070 32 gb 3200 RAM. Runs well with smooth 50fps in 2D but locks at 20 on vr. Looks excellent and smooth on screen but stutters when looking sideways or turning. Some days it smooth and others it's rubbish. Ocukus Rift 2. Works beautifully on DCS. Note DCS is going multi threaded soon. Apparently quite the performance boost from those doing beta testing. FYI. Speak to Austin please. Haha we want it :) Thanks in advance 😀
Your first bottleneck is the graphic card. Remember that in VR the GPU has to calculate two 3d images instead of one. I have a 5700x with a 4070 Ti which is just powerful enough for the Quest 2 (fluid i and playable in game). Next time I change my cpu for a 7800x3D. I'm waiting for AMD's next cpu generation in few months (the price of the 7800X3D will drop). You can still get more FPS in your actual setup but you'll have to lower your graphical settings.
@br4713 Yes reduced some graphics settings now getting 40 fps with steady 25 ms frame time. No stuttering. Happy :) 😀
Was SAM or resizable bar enabled on both?
How are the 1% lows between the two CPUs?
Intel is worse.
Throw a SASL plane and an AMD GPU and watch those FPS number tank. X-plane is a mess in terms of performance and anti-aliasing.
You mean SASL is mess and is tanking FPS. If developers learned to write software properly instead of using a 3rd party shim between the SDK and a scripting language, performance would be higher. All scripting languages suck.
Please test 7900x without x3d
There is no point buying a non-X3D chip.