@@ripewavejak pan myśli że względu pewnego filmu na you tube zdecydowałem onkyo rz70 że względu na dźwięk zamiast pionner lx805 czy naprawdę onkyo jest bardziej dynamiczne od pioneer.???
If planning on using an external amp for the front LCR having balanced outputs is nice, although you'd be hard pressed to tell a difference in audio quality, although if you plan running long distance subwoofers, I could see that being a nice benefit. Thanks for the video, great info ...as usual.
This receiver has a pretty cool feature that has been very rarwly seen. 2 powered channels can be reassigned to subwoofers allowing the AVR to power a pair of passive Subs. So this AVR is capable of running a 5.2.4 set up with even the subs being powered by the AVR! Definitely a niche feature, but one that I absolutely love!
I love Pioneer Elite. I’ve had exclusively Pioneer receivers since 1980. My present model is the SC-77. However, the SC-07 I think was better than the 77. But this time it was just to hard to pass on Denon with an external 5 channel amp. I’m uncomfortable Pioneer switched to AB amps but it has the most Watts of all the receivers out there except maybe the very high end stuff. Nice video!
I want to say the Integra for the balanced out-puts. I like the Pioneer for the display. The others have drab displays. If i'm honest I would just get the RZ 5. by Onkyo, heck of a price on those units, and the sound quality is superb.
Nice assessment. I often find I find faults with each brand and wish I could combine the best from each. I believe that the Onkyo version will deliver the best balance of features - we will see... Of course, the RZ50 already available is a great value. -Jon
The video I didn't know I needed...😅 I've been holding off buy a new AVR because I wanted to see more choices and I'm glad I did. I'm now leaning towards these flagship models, I like what I see from them. Another great video mate👍🏽
@@Roof_Pizza my budget is around the £3k mark, so stuff like the Yamaha A8A, Arcam 21, these and maybe D&M, but I'm not a fan of D&M stuff. Not the Sony though, too much proprietary tech, I don't like to be locked in.
Thank you for this Jon . . . world-class benchmarking ! It might be good to show a "sound signature" graphic to compare. Maybe this is doable, maybe not. Personally, I'm waiting to see if Yamaha is coming out with a new AV lineup. Only request is that they develop a larger screen on the AxA series.
By "sound signature" do you mean something like a 20-20kHz curve? Not sure where I would get that. I would like to see Yamaha recover in a strong way from their failed 8K launch a few years ago with that new line. -Jon
@@ripewave You're right, maybe difficult to get. Most all AVs report functionality between 20-20k. Short of a full-blown study, perhaps AV's offer/publish Impedance vs. Frequency curves? This could be followed-up with a simpler bar chart from Lt to Rt (Bass > Warm > Neutral > Cool > Bright) ?
Why do the receivers from the early to late 1970's have more style than the current ones. Obviously, the newer ones have better options but those old vintage hifi receivers look nice and I believe were also underrated power wise and had better THD ratings.
Having lived through the 70s, I have similar feelings about current styling. I think that it was an era when knobs and buttons had to be mechanical. Then came "soft touch" and now mostly software driven interfaces. The experience was tactile before our components became digitalized and with remotes (now mobile apps) which keep us seated away from our equipment. In those days a manufacturer had to design for the physical experience. The knobs and buttons were a reflection of the quality they were delivering to the enthusiast. We have seen the resurgence of vintage style in the latest integrated amps for the "two-channel" market (see Yamaha and Luxman), but no such movement in home theater receivers and processors. Thanks for raising your points - interesting topic. -Jon
I was heavily considering an onkyo RZ50 but holding out for the rumored 70 or 90. Recently heard of the 805 & am now considering the 8.4. For $200 more, why not?
I think it depends of where you are taking your systems - if you feel you will need the extra channels, now or in the future, the extra $200 is money well spent. I would wait until Onkyo releases their equivalent to the 805 and compare before making a move.-Jon
Makes me sad that Pioneer has turned into more or less just a rebadge of Onkyo products, my dad owned so many products made by Pioneer in the 90s - 00s.
I think I’m still going to stick with the Onkyo RZ-50 ($1299 now) and an Outlaw 5000 amp ($769) to get a 7.4.2. Add mini-DSP for when I go to 4 subs 😊. The new Sony ES STR-AZ5000ES ($2099) is also a good option but the RZ-50 + OA 5000 is still a better deal that has a lot more power. Thoughts?
I think the Mini-DSP is one of the best products of the decade. It unlocks multi-sub for those who don't have it on their units. When I select products I consider how it is going to be used. For example, if room calibration is a big deal for you, go with the Onkyo as I feel better about DIRAC over Sony's own which doesn't get much attention. Sony has unique features such as well for center channel and their 360 Spatial Sound Mapping, so its a trade off. I will now better once I have had a change to bring in and test. -Jon
I agree, I think Dirac may be a better option in the long run vs. the Sony’s spacial audio (although it gets great reviews). I’m worried Sony may not continue to invest in it; Dirac should continue to improve considering sound correction is their business.
Auro 3D….yes! Automatic up mixing of audio lives on. Btw Jon, have you thought of a flash intro with music for Ripewave Audio? A quick 5 second introductory flash vid would be impactful taking your reviews to the next professional level. Keep up the great work my friend.
I believe these (Integra and Pioneer) models are the first to introduce Auro-3D since it’s bankruptcy and new ownership. I believe it was planned beforehand but didn’t come to light until now. Shows some signs of rebirth nevertheless. I would like a flashy intro but haven’t explored. I suppose there are companies out there that make those intro for you. Also - tomorrow I am going to put up a post photo for the new McIntosh MHT300 - the first product from McIntosh to support Dirac. Then a full video to follow. -Jon
Thanks for the great info. I'm still hoping for a 905 model. Maybe with a higher channel count or additional XLR outputs. The 805 is 150 watts per channel but at 2 channel driven, correct?
Hi Jon - curious if this new flagship has addressed the issue of independent channel optimization lacking in the VX 505 and down. And did not Auro 3D go into bankruptcy protection a couple of months ago?
I can check on the independent channel optimization issue you mentioned. It does support independent x2 subwoofer settings - but your question I believe is specific to Dirac. Auro-3D did declare bankruptcy and then was acquired by a new company that will continue its operations. These are the first new releases since bankruptcy.-Jon
The 505 and below don't allow independent per channel crossover settings. However, this 805 adds that and allows you to use 60 for mains, 80 for the rest of the bed, and 120 for heights for example.
True - I believe we have finally broken free from the HDMI 2.1 challenges of the last few years. Now most companies has it and now it is time to focus on features that will deliver the best sonic experience. -Jon
Amazing detail in your video thanks. Other video's I've seen on the lx805 was only 11 channels of processing, and the pre-outs that I can see only amounts to 11 channels. please confirm 11 or 13. I think being able to do 9.2.4 or 7.2.6 would be awesome with external amplification. As an owner of an older model Pioneer I really like the product an would love to upgrade. I would take the Pioneer over the Interga due to my individual requirements. No zone 2/3 needed or the extra balanced outputs. both look very good spec wise
I believe that he counts subwoofer channels when he gives the processing channel numbers. So 11 full range and 2 independent subs equals 13 the way that he counts them.
Well I tried DLBC as a 30 day trial and it is really night and day from standard Dirac. The bass is really tight and my two sub gains are at 8 o'clock with negative trims, and no need to raise the curve like before. Now between DLBM and DLBC I hear no difference. Is this because once I calibrate with DLBC if I use the same calibrated file it still brings up DLBC despite me selecting DLBM instead of DLBC and saving and transferring to the avr?
Jon, do you think zone 2 with the integra can run a second profile of room correction associated only to that zone/ dirac or the built in product correction suite
I am not aware of any AV Receiver and Processor, included the Pioneer and Integra models that can run room calibration on zone 2/3 output - only the main zone. -Jon
The lx704 and LX904 production was initially only stopped because of covid 19 I had a lx704 here in the UK December 2019 Supply was limited like every receiver when it's first introduced the LX904 never really made it to the uk market at all here in the UK l think there was only 10 units that came to market March 2020 for the lx805 is a disappointment because of it still being a 11 channel receiver 4 subs outs who the hell runs 4 subs 😢 for me this is sideways move by Pioneer or if I am honest it's just the Pioneer Brand Name that's being used 😢
I'm running 4 Subs have the front two set at 180 and the back to set to zero with a little lower level and I've got the bass flowing front to back I love it
These overview videos absolutely amazing! So incredibly helpful in understanding what the new products offer. Some of the very BEST videos on UA-cam!
I appreciate that kind feedback. -Jon
@@ripewavejak pan myśli że względu pewnego filmu na you tube zdecydowałem onkyo rz70 że względu na dźwięk zamiast pionner lx805 czy naprawdę onkyo jest bardziej dynamiczne od pioneer.???
Just like to add, the previous Pioneer Elite SC-LX904 had an 11 channels amp. Not a 9 channel amplifier.
I see you are correct. Thanks for correcting. -Jon
Whoa !!!🎉🎉 You work fast!.. Nice to get details about these so soon!!
Sometimes I can deliver - I like to cover the new products as soon as details are released. -Jon
@Ripewave Audio ..Enjoy the new Mc AVR!.. Looks really good too!.
If planning on using an external amp for the front LCR having balanced outputs is nice, although you'd be hard pressed to tell a difference in audio quality, although if you plan running long distance subwoofers, I could see that being a nice benefit. Thanks for the video, great info ...as usual.
This receiver has a pretty cool feature that has been very rarwly seen. 2 powered channels can be reassigned to subwoofers allowing the AVR to power a pair of passive Subs. So this AVR is capable of running a 5.2.4 set up with even the subs being powered by the AVR! Definitely a niche feature, but one that I absolutely love!
Love the clarity in your information!
Glad to hear that the presentation is clear. Thanks. -Jon
I love Pioneer Elite. I’ve had exclusively Pioneer receivers since 1980. My present model is the SC-77. However, the SC-07 I think was better than the 77. But this time it was just to hard to pass on Denon with an external 5 channel amp.
I’m uncomfortable Pioneer switched to AB amps but it has the most Watts of all the receivers out there except maybe the very high end stuff.
Nice video!
I also found Pioneer's switch to AB amps a bit odd. I think it is a cost savings measure. -Jon
I want to say the Integra for the balanced out-puts. I like the Pioneer for the display. The others have drab displays. If i'm honest I would just get the RZ 5. by Onkyo, heck of a price on those units, and the sound quality is superb.
Nice assessment. I often find I find faults with each brand and wish I could combine the best from each. I believe that the Onkyo version will deliver the best balance of features - we will see... Of course, the RZ50 already available is a great value. -Jon
There is the forthcoming Onkyo RZ70 Maybe a better option at a slightly lower price
The video I didn't know I needed...😅 I've been holding off buy a new AVR because I wanted to see more choices and I'm glad I did. I'm now leaning towards these flagship models, I like what I see from them.
Another great video mate👍🏽
Glad to hear this content is helpful. I bet we will learn of a new Onkyo flagship to match in the coming weeks. -Jon
@@ripewave yes mate, your channel is like the ultimate buyers guide to all things AV.
Can't wait for your Onkyo flagship roundup when that drops.
You made my day!
Like what?
@@Roof_Pizza my budget is around the £3k mark, so stuff like the Yamaha A8A, Arcam 21, these and maybe D&M, but I'm not a fan of D&M stuff. Not the Sony though, too much proprietary tech, I don't like to be locked in.
Thank you for this Jon . . . world-class benchmarking !
It might be good to show a "sound signature" graphic to compare. Maybe this is doable, maybe not.
Personally, I'm waiting to see if Yamaha is coming out with a new AV lineup. Only request is that they develop a larger screen on the AxA series.
By "sound signature" do you mean something like a 20-20kHz curve? Not sure where I would get that. I would like to see Yamaha recover in a strong way from their failed 8K launch a few years ago with that new line. -Jon
@@ripewave You're right, maybe difficult to get. Most all AVs report functionality between 20-20k. Short of a full-blown study, perhaps AV's offer/publish Impedance vs. Frequency curves? This could be followed-up with a simpler bar chart from Lt to Rt (Bass > Warm > Neutral > Cool > Bright) ?
Why do the receivers from the early to late 1970's have more style than the current ones. Obviously, the newer ones have better options but those old vintage hifi receivers look nice and I believe were also underrated power wise and had better THD ratings.
Having lived through the 70s, I have similar feelings about current styling. I think that it was an era when knobs and buttons had to be mechanical. Then came "soft touch" and now mostly software driven interfaces. The experience was tactile before our components became digitalized and with remotes (now mobile apps) which keep us seated away from our equipment. In those days a manufacturer had to design for the physical experience. The knobs and buttons were a reflection of the quality they were delivering to the enthusiast. We have seen the resurgence of vintage style in the latest integrated amps for the "two-channel" market (see Yamaha and Luxman), but no such movement in home theater receivers and processors. Thanks for raising your points - interesting topic. -Jon
Grreat history lesson. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed the flashback. -Jon
These models should have a 5 year warranty or a very low fixed cost per repair out of warranty for a few years ($99,plus shipping)
All that helps the consumer. -Jon
Ps no gold plated inputs or gold plated binding posts/banana plugs lx 904 had these
I was heavily considering an onkyo RZ50 but holding out for the rumored 70 or 90. Recently heard of the 805 & am now considering the 8.4. For $200 more, why not?
I think it depends of where you are taking your systems - if you feel you will need the extra channels, now or in the future, the extra $200 is money well spent. I would wait until Onkyo releases their equivalent to the 805 and compare before making a move.-Jon
Makes me sad that Pioneer has turned into more or less just a rebadge of Onkyo products, my dad owned so many products made by Pioneer in the 90s - 00s.
It is hard to justify the higher prices you have to pay just for a rebrand and a few difference. -Jon
I think I’m still going to stick with the Onkyo RZ-50 ($1299 now) and an Outlaw 5000 amp ($769) to get a 7.4.2. Add mini-DSP for when I go to 4 subs 😊. The new Sony ES STR-AZ5000ES ($2099) is also a good option but the RZ-50 + OA 5000 is still a better deal that has a lot more power. Thoughts?
I think the Mini-DSP is one of the best products of the decade. It unlocks multi-sub for those who don't have it on their units. When I select products I consider how it is going to be used. For example, if room calibration is a big deal for you, go with the Onkyo as I feel better about DIRAC over Sony's own which doesn't get much attention. Sony has unique features such as well for center channel and their 360 Spatial Sound Mapping, so its a trade off. I will now better once I have had a change to bring in and test. -Jon
I agree, I think Dirac may be a better option in the long run vs. the Sony’s spacial audio (although it gets great reviews). I’m worried Sony may not continue to invest in it; Dirac should continue to improve considering sound correction is their business.
Auro 3D….yes! Automatic up mixing of audio lives on. Btw Jon, have you thought of a flash intro with music for Ripewave Audio? A quick 5 second introductory flash vid would be impactful taking your reviews to the next professional level. Keep up the great work my friend.
I believe these (Integra and Pioneer) models are the first to introduce Auro-3D since it’s bankruptcy and new ownership. I believe it was planned beforehand but didn’t come to light until now. Shows some signs of rebirth nevertheless.
I would like a flashy intro but haven’t explored. I suppose there are companies out there that make those intro for you.
Also - tomorrow I am going to put up a post photo for the new McIntosh MHT300 - the first product from McIntosh to support Dirac. Then a full video to follow. -Jon
Thanks for the great info. I'm still hoping for a 905 model. Maybe with a higher channel count or additional XLR outputs. The 805 is 150 watts per channel but at 2 channel driven, correct?
Yes - does sound odd that they still don’t have a “905” level product. I understand these are all 2-channel driven ratings. -Jon
@@ripewave I also like the look on the rear of my 904 compared to the newer model.
The 904 has nicer spacing between the binding posts. -Jon
Hi Jon - curious if this new flagship has addressed the issue of independent channel optimization lacking in the VX 505 and down.
And did not Auro 3D go into bankruptcy protection a couple of months ago?
I can check on the independent channel optimization issue you mentioned. It does support independent x2 subwoofer settings - but your question I believe is specific to Dirac.
Auro-3D did declare bankruptcy and then was acquired by a new company that will continue its operations. These are the first new releases since bankruptcy.-Jon
The 505 and below don't allow independent per channel crossover settings. However, this 805 adds that and allows you to use 60 for mains, 80 for the rest of the bed, and 120 for heights for example.
Year of the receivers!
True - I believe we have finally broken free from the HDMI 2.1 challenges of the last few years. Now most companies has it and now it is time to focus on features that will deliver the best sonic experience. -Jon
Amazing detail in your video thanks. Other video's I've seen on the lx805 was only 11 channels of processing, and the pre-outs that I can see only amounts to 11 channels. please confirm 11 or 13. I think being able to do 9.2.4 or 7.2.6 would be awesome with external amplification. As an owner of an older model Pioneer I really like the product an would love to upgrade. I would take the Pioneer over the Interga due to my individual requirements. No zone 2/3 needed or the extra balanced outputs. both look very good spec wise
He is wrong. Both brands have 11 channel processing with only 7.2.4 configuration.
I believe that he counts subwoofer channels when he gives the processing channel numbers. So 11 full range and 2 independent subs equals 13 the way that he counts them.
Well I tried DLBC as a 30 day trial and it is really night and day from standard Dirac. The bass is really tight and my two sub gains are at 8 o'clock with negative trims, and no need to raise the curve like before. Now between DLBM and DLBC I hear no difference. Is this because once I calibrate with DLBC if I use the same calibrated file it still brings up DLBC despite me selecting DLBM instead of DLBC and saving and transferring to the avr?
Wow. Almost 20 pounds heavier!
These are heavy. -Jon
The lx904 was a true 7/2/4 11/2 receiver the lx805 only the 2 extra sub outs
Jon, do you think zone 2 with the integra can run a second profile of room correction associated only to that zone/ dirac or the built in product correction suite
I am not aware of any AV Receiver and Processor, included the Pioneer and Integra models that can run room calibration on zone 2/3 output - only the main zone. -Jon
Does any of those amps have "pre-amp" mode where its amplifiers are turned off, outputting via pre-amps only?
This feature was added later via a firmware update.
Hi, are those watts per channel rated rms or max?
Pioneer provides as FTC rated - 11 x 150 watts into 8 ohms (FTC-rated with 2 channels driven at 0.08% THD).
Pioneer...
The brand lives on.
The lx704 and LX904 production was initially only stopped because of covid 19 I had a lx704 here in the UK December 2019 Supply was limited like every receiver when it's first introduced the LX904 never really made it to the uk market at all here in the UK l think there was only 10 units that came to market March 2020 for the lx805 is a disappointment because of it still being a 11 channel receiver 4 subs outs who the hell runs 4 subs 😢 for me this is sideways move by Pioneer or if I am honest it's just the Pioneer Brand Name that's being used 😢
I'm running 4 Subs have the front two set at 180 and the back to set to zero with a little lower level and I've got the bass flowing front to back I love it
They already look dated.
Yah - seems all the design effort was directed inside.-Jon
@@ripewave My 20 year old Yamaha looks better in the limited edition champagne/gold.
A lot of the aesthetic has to do with the quality of the materials. -Jon
@@ripewave Yeah, all plastic. They don't have to look like a McIntosh but the top 1/3 will do.