Wintrading…Live in Pro play?!
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The Ultraliga have responded by suspending the 2 players for 2 games while the investigation is ongoing: x.com/UltraligaEN/status/1750151204942787061?s=20
Translation for you
C1: "what was that"
C2:"you know, positive thinking. TELEPORTATION TO TOPLANE"
Can u cover in a video about how botted accounts are placed in plat1/emerald4 (top13% of players)?
@@teemotop7046 thats just normal mmr usage nothing to do with botting
weak response
That is just flat running it at that point.
The commentators in case your curious are just in a state of disbelief watching this plays, stuff like "this has to be a simulation" (this cant be real) and overall are just very confused with whats going on.
Do want to highlight the Gwen ending with lovely commentator gems like, "let me out, I am done, I'm leaving this game".
Hats off to the top and bot for salvaging this.
Hahahahaha did he say that?! Gold
@@Rivalrvnyeah the translasion is correct
TBH, i was hopefull with the new season start this year that i could actually play ranked. But afther getting inted, and griefed for another straight 10 games in a row i decided to just delete League. People honestly don' tcare for the game anymore, and only look for the funni big money numbers.
At this point league has become a dispicable hotspot for black market gambling and criminal betting, and i do not want to be a part of league aanymore when the walls start caving in
Promises, led to firing of employees? Riot is dying.
@@last_dutch_hero258 the game is engagement matchmaking , its all about the making money off you, quit asap!
@@Rivalrvnhe did, but comentator was saying it not for him self but for the gwen Player
As a bronze player, these clips you showed make me feel right at home.
LOOOOOOOOOOL
my guy even in bronze its not this bad
@@BlockedBeat3374 not true, its worse
@@saiboT805d Yeah it's way worse
Finally, Chinese wintraders escaped my solo q and went straight to pro play. Xi sends his regards.
LMAO
I’m dead 💀
bing chilling 🥶
bro they came into my games :(
Chinese wintraders wouldn't make it this obvious lol
that is 100% a wintrade.
bruh i just finished the game in your pfp
so fun fact ( not so fun fact ) about vcs, SBTC got involve into a match fixing scandal of one match leads to the rest of the match being canceled+ disband. as for the player, 2 of the member is clean out while the rest got suspended for 3 years, the one of the co- owner which i believe got banned forever from involving with lol esport.
Worlds have been win trades since seas6
@@tankenjoyer1891 was it good? ive got the game but havent tried it yet
@whatsthe gametankenjoyer1891
For me this was wintrading. Also ex ultraliga players said that this was 100% wintrade. Ultraliga said they will open and investigation.
That teamfight where Jayce does nothing is what really sold me. Try not to make it too obvious challenge (impossible)
I mean not pushing with the team and not even last hiting the inhibitor is not obvious?
@@RootGroves-hl8kt Bro literally right clicked everywhere on the screen that didn't have a champion, that's why lol. They're all pretty obvious though, the Lee one at the end is arguably the worst imo. Flash kicks for no one then goes right back in to die.
Same. He literally is running it down, no skills had been used by the Jayce
I hope the other 3 players get some attention for literally clutching up a 3v7
Right? 4v5 is hard. 4v6 is harder. 3v7? And in a pro match no less? Absolute mad-lads.
Faker is the goat and has been through so many things, but I don't know if even he can say that he's won 3v7 in a game matchfixed against him 😅
@@FreedomIII faker was 1v9 on galio.. dragged 4 traitors to finals.. i don't think anyone has ever suffered as much as that..
@@Oferdrincere Which finals/competition (and the year, please)? I wanna watch that. I don't watch much pro play, or League in general, but that seems like something I would like.
@@anonymousperson7125 2017 worlds.. all of t1 games is faker vs the world.. specially the final and semi final
Not just wintrading, this is matchfixing. A practice that is illegal in a lot of countries.
What do you think win trading is 🤣
@@TheJimCarrydifference is wintrading is a term for soloq about lp.
Matchfixing is creating specific situation to make some prepared bets as winning. It doesn't has to be win-lost game. It can be a faul, game duration and any stuff on which you can bet. Police is normally included in investigation when that happens.
@@TheJimCarry gotta agree with wiktor, matchfixing is a whole different dimension and comes with hefty punishments.
@@TheJimCarryone is a literal crime, the other is just bannable in a game
@@Shaggy87781 fair but there has only been 1 person ever banned for win trading lol
Just to let you know. If the team and ultraliga can prove the Matchfixing allegations those 2 can face jail time up to a couple years in Poland. (we have pretty hefty laws in place regarding matchfixing due to the fact that we used to have a matchfixing mafia in Poland. They chose the wrong country to do that shit.
Wtf
They should try it in Turkey 😭
They will probably just get deported instead. It would be very bad for a smaller country like Poland to detain two foreigners for years.
@@Rivalrvn
It dates back to 1990s and matchfixing football games. That's why the laws here are so hefty
okay so im polish and i will try to translate what they've said at
1:44 he was talking about stuff that happened previously (not about lee sin walking in straight line) and then he was saying that there were happening tp on top like they didnt notice what just happened
2:30 "there is ggiler (corki) and desolinee (k'sante) up but this is really huge damage that irons(wolf team) can deal and they probably could end it very soon, but wait? ODIN?!"
3:00 they were talking about it being 4v3 and that they (ESCA) had no reason to fight it they just didnt notice jayce's movement and ignored it
3:30 one of them said that he thought they will continue it and the other one said like "why?" i guess cus of jayce resetting it and the other one said that Mazi could come on elder
at 4:05 he's saying something like "no, no it's a simulation" and that it's a joke like they noticed it being win trading
it was pretty hard to translate especially with the words they used cus they are hardly ever used (also my english could be better) but i hope it helped a little bit
ty man, I appreciate it
.... you are crazy on explaining
for 4:05 one of the commentators asked the other if he's alive (pretty much asking if he's good in that manor) the other said something akin to the lines of: "I believe, "no, no it's a simulation" "I'm a part of a washing machine (basically laundering in this context" the last thing kinda.. makes no sense to me either but what I'd assume what he meant is kind of a stick up basically that it was just a scheme.
If you’re interested you should go watch the full game, there’s WAY more they both do I just included examples I thought were probably the most obvious. Thanks for watching!
The fun part is that they couldn't play in LPL because they were wintrading in Chinese SoloQ irr
Even if I stretch my bottom line and blame "ping" delay as culprit...
Jayce solo Elder was ...... a historical moment in proplay (IMPOSSIBLE) .... 💀💀
when you’re describing the clip, stats i’d recommend keeping up the clips for longer or repeating them when you elaborate on whats up instead of riven clips, it would be more a bit easier to look at what you’re describing
If I saw this happen in a bronze ranked game I wouldn't bat an eye, but this is a PROPLAY scene. I don't for a second doubt this is wintrading. 100% it is.
A Jayce not finishing inhib then flash inting a kill.
A Jayce starting elder instead of helping his team then leaving once the team comes to elder
A Jayce not using abilities in a teamfight
A lee sin jumping into the base, wasting ult, wasting flash.
These sound like things you would see watching iron gameplay
that doesn't happen in bronze either , the big inter are higher up , msot brozne game are ego dumbass going agasint the little (bad ) strategie the team have created
even in fucking iron this is sureal
It's so funny knowing they lost their money and their future in LoL
deserved. didn’t even lose properly.
Tbh everyone is loosing their money in pro esports
@@ayalallama why
like they would've had any future in lol anyways in a c tier region. even pros in NA don't make anything significant lmao, probably a blessing for these guys tbh
@@strawhatJavrage early salary in proplay NA is over 100k a year, this is quite a lot for playing in one of the weakest regions lol
I havent seen a wintrade this obvious since that time in 2010 WoW where I autoran into a wall for 30 seconds and kept rotating in place, randomly mistiming my spells to make it seem like I was lagging because this chick said she'd send me nudes if I let her get 2200 rating.
Still the most WORTH business exchange I have ever done to this day.
Proof or it didn’t happen
That is the most virgin shit I have heard in a long time. It's not even funny at this point, that's just sad.
Holy are you an incel@@xiqy1959
That's a damn good deal
@@KappaChiinoyeah it is just sad Lmfao. Like go talk to someone irl
In this case, having the Riven gameplay play in between the clips is a bit confusing
agreed, it's not good background footage in clip context.
1-2 Obvious mistakes is normal
3 Obvious mistakes and it's suspicios
4-5 Obvious mistakes and worth investigating
6 Obvious mistakes and it's basically discided
7+ Obvious mistakes and it's confirmed
-Official measurement on LoL mistakes in pro play to determine a wintrade
patent pending
yea i think jayce missed that inhib due to recoil it is unlucky but normal happens in cs:lol
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because Hiko was already dead.
obvious*
@@TheYoungonex Oh... Woops, thx for letting me know
The actions alone would be excusable. but if they keep happening again and again in the same game it becomes suspicious. Especially since there was more of it. And earlier the team with Lee and Jayce was heavily stomping. Then Lee and Jayce start solo dying here and there. And they proceed to play worse and worse as the game goes on. This is really not normal in any pro play, even a third league. This looks like a silver solo q, not a pro match.
Casters: "we are living in simulation or are we a part of some large scale prank?" 😂
In scandinivain mythelogy,odin is considerd a trickster,but unlike loki or other trickster his trickery is based on his knowledge and wisdom,he dosent trick to harm them,he is like merlin from the arthur king legend,ironic seeing as this odin lack both knowledge and well intentions
This is the Chinese version of Odin
Chinese knockoff lol
Made in china
There was also a situation in this game at around 15 mins where kylin just ran at 3 ppl on mid giving up 150g bounty and one of the commentator said "none of the champs in ESCA's team can respond to Gwen on a sidelane (kylin dies) unless kylin donates a kill"
Two minutes later Odin tps to a fight a little late and then goes in 1v4 on a full hp ksante after his death commentator said "I dont understand Odin's decision to go in"
At 21min we could also see Odin and hylin going in on a naut who was surrounded by his 3 teammates, after Odin dies commentators were shocked and wondering why he went in instead of poking and one of them also pointed out that he still has flash up
The leesin going in and out, flash kicking aphelios etc seems like soloq when one guy wants to have fun and doesn't care to win ahah
I hope kylin and Odin borrowed money from a super sketch hyper violent loan shark to make those bets.
I find it more likely they got paid by someone else to lose, which in turn would put the bet
At 1:39 he said: "Positive Thinking. Tp to top!!"
So yea. He didn't notice this.
In later clips he says that this is like a simulation and a joke.
i was watching that live its incredible how their team still managed to win the game props to gwen for popping off
that looks like an insane wintrade wow..... the casters going "no way..this has to be a simulation" LMAO
There's also Jayce solo dying at bot inhib 1v4 right after securing Elder while the enemy team (including a Maokai with ult up) is on vision in their own base and he doesn't even flash Maokai's ult although he coud easily have dodged it
He also stands around and locks himself in place to QE instead of just using E and walking out of there.
Absolutely ridiculous win trade, the losing team should be ashamed they couldn’t win 3:7, and these 2 bozos would have gotten jail time if this was in South Korea
Hi polish person here, I decided to translate the commentators:
1:42
commentator 1: what just happened? - prob refering to an action made right before the lee sin didnt perform a ward hop
commentator 2: positive thinking, (gwen) teleporting to top - referring to gwen tping top in an energetic voice
so to say the least, they absoulutely didnt notice the play
2:37
both of the commentators were surprised at the flash, but none of them noticed that odin didnt destroy the inhib
2:55
they didnt notice odin, they commentate over the fact that esca shouldn't have taken the fight
3:30
commentator 1: this is definitely a problematic situation, surely for both of us beacuse..
commentator 2: (cuts him of) look at this, oh i thought they would continue this (elder drake) and i wanted to say that Mazi (Maokai) would come here
4:05
commentator 1: no, no, this is a simulation *laughs like a maniac*. this has to be some sort of a large-scale prank
Funnily enough, there were a few games during Worlds two months ago that looked like pretty obvious wintrading too but no one spoke up about it.
One: I'm positive that was win-trading. Too many stars aligning there for it to be anything but.
Two: HeSSZero, Ruf, and Endz need actual medals for that performance. They basically looked their midlaner and jungler in the face, said, "No", and just dragged them by the balls straight across the finish line kicking and screaming, lol.
the jungler's definitely sus, but I am not 100% that he's wintrading
the mid laner on the other hand... yeah he's wintrading out of his mind.
Nah the lee is wintrading for sure. That last play just cant happen in proplay. Theyre all in comms.
Lee was the first one to start giving suspicious kills. And first, they seemed like innocent mistakes, but it kept getting worse and worse. There are not in this video but in a full game, you can see.
Riot: I’m gonna pretend i didn’t see that, same goes for all the team mates you guys get in solo que that int/run it down or have bought accounts
Nahh that Elder start and casually leaving was so blatant LMAO
why do people wintrade... (seriously why? idk lol)
Money
Money, especially from chinese-based betting companies that people may sometimes bribe players to int to get higher returns for games
oh so like he bets against his self and trolls the game so he wins that bet money?@@hunnitwales
Imean 50k in money is more worth than on a champ
Money lol.
Oh what I would give to hear the comms from that game
Some of these *could* be *potentially* argued as just misplays, but the one that really seals the deal beyond an absolute doubt was the clip of Jayce just not doing anything in the fight but running around.
me trying to climb
the teammates in my promos :
This lee play when having baron and drake is literaly my game from Yesterday PTSD from this play here
Imagine how the other team is feeling now knowing this. They pretty much lost a 3v5 game lol.
I can't tell the difference since that's what I see everyday in my solo queue
yeah wintrade, the "no casting" thingy is a classic from chinese wintraders, you would see it blatantly in Tyler1 streams when he was being betted on, there's somewhere in his vod reviews one where a ezreal just straight up refuses to shoot any abilities for a fight and they lose because of it, with them being blatant and known wintraders
If this happened in my silver ranked game, I’d type in chat “Lee, you good bro????” 💀
If anyone asks me the definition of wintrading, I'll link this match
giga wintrade players of this caliber know exactly what they are doing
It’s always the Chinese lol
1:37 its like "don't act like you are larssen (from rogue) in this game" and then someone says "what was that?" then slivan screams "so what, positive thinking tp top from iron wolves"
I am more surprised that Estonian players are in Esports league, as an Estonian myself, that does put a smile on my face
Dont forget the fact that if "Rybson" didin't say out loud what he thinks then this wintrade might have been not seen by many. Good vid as always!
Mannnn you can't post this after LCK night, this low key scared me that KT or DK were win trading with a team
The second jayce clip and the last clip of lee are 100% win trading ,like the jayce didnt use a single spell or even autos .
They were just trying their best and we should respect them for it!
That was straight up matchfixing, could not be more obvious lol
Hidden pool agents at it again, but this time caught in hd
100% wintrading like this is something id expect from a autofilled jungler/mid to do...
Some could be explained by purely not paying attention (the inxib i can understand the first part, not the second eith the flash) but others are really strange. Like the last lee sin example, or the elder solo by jayce
Its not strange it is matchfixing.
honestly, if they're new on the team and the only chinese players on the team, most of this could be explained by being nervous and miscommunication, I'd love to hear the team's communication during this cause it can be hard to fit in with a new squad
😂😂😂 3v7 is a straight mental warfare
When you need to make the wintrade so blatant because your toplane and ADC is cracked, and manage to win the game, is something else.
they just wanted to cash in but her teammates said no XD
i knew it was wintrade since the inhibitor. also i like your new pfp rival
Quick translation as I'm Polish of the first clip "Co to było? (the dissapointed sounding voice) No co, pozytywne myślenie. Teleportacja na topa! (the loud part)": What was that? (the dissapointed voice) Positive thinking. Tp to top! (The loud part)
Edit: Rest of the clips don't really havev any important commentary
Season 1 gaming
Clips are weird but the best evidence BY FAR is the way the betting seemed to go. It's always pretty suspicious when betting odds shift alot
there are no rooms for opinions here, this is as blatant as wintrading in pro play can get lol
then again, this might secure them a future as LEC junglers
1:48 the commentator said:what was that, then Well, teleportation sucks
i am from poland and i saw this match with comment of few ex pro players rybson nervarien etc. they all were soo suspicius about behavior of odin and kylin (propably they made this all public from poland to riot and rest of the world) so im pretty sure that they were trying to wintrade this match.
3 vs 7 and still winning😅
that 1 lee sin play was 100% troll.... he had no place there. it was like watching trolls in Emerald do random shit for the sake of being random
1:45 he said: what was that?
There are only 2 possibilities either it's a wintrade or they should not be there
Yeah... it looks like my games
Good job to the 3 players who won despite not having a mid jungle presence, I hope that the 2 win trades get dropped or have to pay some sort of fine or something
The comentators in the 1st clip 1:44
-What was that....
- What - It was positive thinking, teleportation is ass
This is literally what they are saying. What second one says us a bit weird but I guess it was an irony that jumping to a ward - teleportation, is lame.
2nd clip 2:32
- They are gonna win that!
-They can end it this moment
-No, wait...
-But, one moment...
-Indeed (something inaudible) wide (something inaudible)
The commentators in 1:40 didn't really say anything about the lee sin one just said ,,What was that'' with despair while the other one addressed with enthusiasm that there is tp top.
This is one of the most obvious wintrading, or at least running it down situations ive seen
Translation
1:40: What was that?
What possitive thinking, procession to top.
2:20 they can end it
wait a minute ODIN
2:50 just talking about fight they arent mentioning jayce even once
3:30 This is really problematic
Look at that, look at that
They can't continue (elder drake)
4:00 no no, this is, this is simulation ha ha
This is like very hard joke to understand
That is basically it
Just watching this 2:50 it's already enough
massive iBuyPower flashbacks here
Pin or like it to for ppl to see -
After the game, polish streamers had a conversation with Heszzero (gwen) and yea, he said it was XD match, afterwards quite fast those 2 wintraders got banned from competing in the 2 future games and stuff, afterwards there was an investigation about them, sadly for the Hesszerio, Endz and Ruf, since they lacked 2 ppl to even compete in the games that were in future days, they lost 2 games by default bcs of lack of team to even begin with.
Sigh its always the Chinese...
This isnt a racist and xenophobic comment at all…
@@auraaa_2991 it isn't if it's true
@@Bankai90 not really how that works
Nice video (as always, been a fan for a while now). One minor detail that bothers me that I just wanted to express. When talking about clips in detail (like you did in this video), having your own clips in the background really throws me off. I love them in general and it's nice to watch your riven outplays while listening, but when you're explaining clips, I tend to try to connect your explanation to the clip I'm watching atm and it makes it hard to focus on either. I suggest when you explain the clip have parts of it play and then cut to play the whole clip as you do already. Maybe it's just me, but I just wanted to point it out.
Sidenote, this is not a judgy coment at all. I don't want to seem like I know everything about video making. I'm just saying this with absolute love for your content
grory to d motherrand
looks like my solo q teammates
looks like a Normal SOLOq Game LMAO
did you ever think maybe they just nervous and really bad
im gonna be a pro player!
Wait.... this isnt Palworld news!!?!
CN players wintrading is unheard of
I wish my teams in ranked inted this soft instead of straight up running it down. 100% a wintrade
As a gold player I must be win trading myself as well
cool content
There also might be miscommunication since they are Chinese
2:16 what the zed doin? xddd
Some of it might by miscommunication or whatever, but IMO the clip with the inhibitor left at 1 hit followed by a suicide engage was very obviously on purpose.
This isn't the first match I would suspect of wintrading/matchfixing. From what I have seen, albeit subtle- I have suspicions on LCK games, and LEC games over time. Some things just seemed too uncanny.
Props to Gwen she isna chad for winning it and Lucian and the sup for trying to win too truly a chad thing to win 3v7
2 future mc donalds employees
Could've paused the clips during the explanation and not throw in Riven clips during the explanation of upcomming clips here mate
POLSKA MENTIONED 🦅🦅🦅
I like the no camera
They should be investigated and sentenced to jail time, atleast a couple of months
I would assume they would have their work visa revoked and deported back to China, and Riot would ban them from any Riot affiliated professional league. Congratulations, you played yourself.