MY TESTIMONY: I was manipulated to believing that the passion translation was GOD'S ordained WORD. I ordered a copy and the information provided many of which have no biblical foundation. I realized that whenever I read it I would find myself slumbering and this happened for about a year. After listening to Apostle Joshua Selman, I prayed to ask GOD that THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH exposed every false doctrine in my possession. In at early morning hours the next day, while praying I again decided to open the passion translation app on my phone to read scriptures. Immediately, I went to the app, I heard the VOICE ' APOSTASY'. I immediately deleted it and the slumbering immediately ceased, I also dispose of the hard copy after a warning from GOD to get it out of my home completely.
I have never read the Passion translation, nor do I endorse it in any way, BUT other than Mike Winger most people who criticize the work (including this video) do so almost entirely via argument ad hominem. If you have specific concerns about the work I wish you would spell it out, but attacking the individual does nothing to tell me why the work is without merit.
This man claims that and angel came to him in his room called passion and gave him extra revelation he named it passion translation after because he had seen library 📚 in heaven. Seriously if that doesn’t cause anyone to run far away from this then nothing will.
I have watched several YT videos by Mike Winger where he showed videoclips of Brian Simmons talking about getting downloads… Brian Simmons also claims to translate directly from Aramaic, even though the NT was written in Koine Greek.
Kinda, the "angel" (demon) appeared to him at a church he said. I think the angel who gave him the downloads was another angel. But the blasphemer says that Jesus told him to do all this. Either he is not being honest or its him being visited by demons.
Hey Sister in Christ stick with the KJV, the NASB and all other modern versions are also corrupt. av1611.com/kjbp/articles/logsdon-repudiates-nasb.html
Yeah except KJV follows a manmade tradition completely removing Gods name thousands of times...how insulting to the creator of the universe. Like trading bleach for cyanide
No one must allow himself to be persuaded, by any arguments whatever, to decorate the Psalms with extraneous matter or make alterations in their order or change the words themselves. They must be sung and chanted with entire simplicity, just as they are, so that … the Spirit, Who spoke by the saints, recognizing the selfsame words that He inspired, may join us in them too. - Athanasius
My biggest problem with this translation is that God is referred to as Jehovah all over the place. Jesus never called God Jehovah, he called God "the Father." My personal faith question with this is, Jehovah was a name later added , which replaced Yahweh. It is the name meant to refer to the characteristic of "an avenging god." In exodus it represents "The Lord is my banner." My struggle with this is also, that the Sumerians who worshipped deities, worshipped the diety of Jehovah. Christians love to call upon all these various names of God, like these different faces of the one God. This is exactly what Hindu's do as well. They worship the many faces of God through various names, then they start worshipping the names, then they give form to these names, and before you know it you have diety worship. Trust me I studied the ancient vedas and in hindu temples and it was all based on calling upon the names of God! It's the one thing that God is convicting me of that Christians promote but don't speak about. When Moses asked God what do I call you, he said "I am." It is a name that cannot be spoken actually. Jesus taught us to refer to God as our Father, then why are we calling God by these various names?
I think when someone claims that God has appeared to them with additions to the Bible then there's serious issues there. Simmons claims that God appeared to him in a dream showing him a book which is John chapter 22. I believe that was on Sid Roth's It's Supernatural, but if you search for it on UA-cam you should easily find it. But there are major issues with the TPT, and yes, I have read all of the books of the TPT that are available right now and own a copy for reference purposes only.
Yes, I agree, serious issues. Just look at the dangerous cults that have come from men who claim to have been given ‘extra knowledge’.... muhammed, Joseph Smith, to name a few and Charles Taze Russell thought he had it all worked out 🙄!. More recently seems che ahn of the NAR has jumped on the band wagon. While there is a market full of people wanting their ears scratched unfortunately we have to beware and use our discernment helping the deceived along the way. Has that book been useful to you for referring to? Being ten steps ahead of the lies is always wise. God bless 😊✝️🙌💕
Always, there are critics. But you, rightly divide the word of truth. Study to show yourself approved. You will know them by their fruit. And we will be known by our love. TPT is beautiful and so is KJV, ESV, etc.
so when you say listening to a teacher who is not rightly expounding the text, as a comparison to translations, be they paraphrases or what you would deem a translation (correct), do you mean; what you believe is truth, or what truth really is. There is a HUGE difference in this statement. To many, truth is denominational. For instance, if you are a Baptist-dispensationalist believer, you will view many scripture portions of the NT (and some OT) as future. If you are Reformed you will view much of the scripture as finished. Complete opposite; yet both believe their view is truth. So when someone comes along and believes that scripture is for "now", and for the "now' of every generation before us, and after, and brings that thought out in a version, that is to you, and many who follow your ideas, based on the comments; heresy? Yes, I agree, the Passion Translation should not be called a translation, but, you could also say that many translations should not be called a translation, as most have been translated from other translations, and very few, if any use the three oldest texts; Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Vaticanus and Codex Alexandrinus. So making a claim that the Passion translation is not a good translation could be said of most translations. If anyone here is a student, who really wants to discover truth (I say that loosely, as truth from scripture is endless, if it wasn't it wouldn't be from God, it would be from man, only denominations limit truth), I would recommend a couple of versions that you, and others might not have heard of- The Concordant Literal NT, and OT, Johnathan Mitchell's New Testament (Koine Greek in English), Young's Literal, Rotherham's Emphasized Bible. Yes, like the Passion they have all been translated by one man, but what makes anyone believe that a translation by community is superior, it only means that the translation has been translated to the slant of the communities teachings. And lets face, all versions are biased to a degree. So I say, find a version that will lead YOU into a deeper understanding of God and Christ. I use all the above, plus NASB, NIV, KJV, NKJV, Amplified, Mirror,, HCSB, but, for me the Concordant Literal is by far the most superior, and next to that the Johnathan Mitchell's NT Koine Greek. (the CLNT is from the three oldest texts-see above).
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@@jeremyhewitt2637 Believe me, I've read and read many translations. I've read all the word for word translations. I actually think it's dumb to read only one translation. I don't agree on everything written in the paraphrased versions, but I like to see others point of view. I've actually read the King James more than any other version. That was written all the way back in 1611 so it definitely uses different words than Modern English in certain parts. You can feed off of any of them. When I first started reading about 10 years ago, I thought the King James version was the only one I could read. That's because everybody I knew was saying that. Once I started reading other versions I found out you can pick up different things out of each one. They all say about 98% of the same thing. Certain things are just worded different. I know a lot of people who tried reading the King James and couldn't understand anything in so they stopped even reading. It's not man's place to tell you what you can and cannot read. The Bible says that the holy spirit will teach you all things and you don't need any man to teach you anything.
It would have been nice if you had giving examples from the Passion Translation... Had the Translation there, pulled out Scription’s from that translation and proved it wrong instead of giving your OPINIONS ..All of the scriptures you quoted in this video should’ve been lined up to the passion translation and proven it was translated incorrectly ... so therefore people make your own decisions... spend time with God ....ask God ....compared the Passion Translation to your current Bible..I will ask God and I will study to show myself approved....
So you comepletely dismiss an entire branch of theology because of 1 translation? How does the passion translation completely invalidate teachers from the “NAR”? Can the foot say to the hand I don’t need you ?
I asked Holy Spirit about TPT. He said "I prefer the KJV and NKJV. So to 'test the spirit' I asked another friend to pray on this. She was told the the same and when she pressed in was told "it's off and not accurate."
Ya know I’m not gonna say that he didn’t have the experience he claims he had with the Lord when he says he was commissioned to translate the Bible. I will say that Brian Simmons came and spoke at a church in Louisiana months ago, a church that I was attending at the time and there was something off about his messages. I could discern that something wasn’t right. I won’t get into details, but I do not recommend this translation AT ALL.
I got born again reading King James Bible. The Word became alive in my heart. I read other translations but always go back to it . Something doesnt seem right when I tried to read tpt or the niv either . The Holy Spirit leads us into all truth .
I have a question about the TPT. I have studied with it for a while and I came across all the information about how bad it is. I have personally never found anything contradictory about it inside the text. I want to be smart though. Does anyone have specific examples of where its faulted in text? I am honestly trying to figure this out for myself.
It’s not necessarily one specific verse or even a handful of verses per se, but I would recommend you go to Mike Winger’s channel and watch his Passion Project series (at least some of it) and see the issues that lie at the heart of that “translation” and how it is fundamentally broken.
I have been trying to figure this out as well. So far I haven’t read anything in the TPT that raises red flags. Now, Brian Simmons believes that there isn’t a physical anti christ which is worrisome to me because that’s opposite of what I’ve always heard.
But if we talk about the real truth real quick, is it not obvious that the Passion Ministry is also not a Christian ministry? Are they not part of WOF/NAR movement? Partnered with Bethel etc?
I think the scary thing is how many more words are added to the text. Words that are not found in the greek or hebrew. Accuracy of the scripture is extremely important. The Passion Translation is nothing more than indoctrination by scripture.
@@Dilley_G45 Ben, same for me. I just received 6 copies as a loving "gift" from someone who is supposed to love me and my family. I've known for a while they were being mislead but now have no doubt. I've thrown myself into researching this "translation" and I have to say.....it deserves to be excellent and fancy kindling.
No its not a translation. Its not a paraphrase. Its a re writing of the bible to make it say what Brian Simmons wants it to say. It is written so that the NAR (think churches like Bethel redding) has a bible to support their ideologies, doktrines and teachings. Normal translations that are done properly and honestly does not support the mystical and unbiblical practices and teachings of people like Bill Johnson, Che Ahn, Kris Vallotton, Brian Simmons, Heidi Baker etc.
Made me think about King James Version, should we not read that? They’ve had to revise it because of incorrect translations. I personally have learned so much from the passion translation, but I also have other translations to go alongside , which I believe is always a healthy practise.
KJV is very close to what the Hebrew and Greek text meant, even the EVS and NKJV. But comparing them to the Passion Translation , the Passion Translation is no where near the Actual transaltion as it was done by one person who doesn't have the credential to translate the bible . Check out thid video . ua-cam.com/video/RZ2HrBT3ZgA/v-deo.html
I will read from TPB then read from KJ and I see no wrong in that. If it helps people like me understand better.... God is Brian's judge. No man is perfect.
There are other translations that are easy to understand besides the King James. Don't make the mistake to go for the Passion version because King James is hard to understand in places. No man is perfect, but that is no excuse. Why not use something like ESV or NKJV if you can't understand KJV?
This guy admits that he's only looked at a little bit of the 'Passion Translation', gives no example of a verse that was incorrectly translated, yet tells people it's not a translation and encourages people not to read it... my recommedation: download the blue letter bible app and check out the greek/hebrew and ask Holy Spirit to illuminate truth. I personally think the Passion Translation is excellent and this guy who's bashing it ought to step off his high horse and stop following the crowd and actually do some research. Seriously... the dude actually said he only read a little bit of it and gives this critique. What a joke.
Mmmmm do you not know that Louie Giglio met and bowed to the pope...I loved his How great is our God message but disappointed in him once I saw he bowed to the pope. Is he catholic?
Not saying that the passion isn't all you say it is but the argument I heard you make is "we have theological differences therefore I don't trust his ability to accurately translate the Bible". You didn't even show one scripture verse that he translated incorrectly and show why it was an incorrect translation from the original language.... So I feel like I'm left with that I'm just supposed to take your word for it. I get that Eugene Peterson doesn't claim that his is a translation, but it honestly comes across as hypocritical that you were obviously in favor of his "adding to the word" via paraphrase simply because you agreed with his theology, but then were not okay with tpt doing the same... I would think that if it was merely a matter of the label of the type that you disagreed with, the theology would not have been your focus. I heard the argument "when there is correct theology then unbiased translation is possible" (correct me if that is not what you were meaning to say)... That argument assumes that your theology is correct... And could be equally espoused by those who disagree with your theology, in favor of other translations. In my opinion, EVERY translation should be viewed in light of the biases of the interpreters, perhaps even more so the ones that come from a similar theological background as ourselves. It is much easier to be convinced that the Bible says something that it doesn't when it lines up with what we've always believed, then when it doesn't line up with long held beliefs. As to his qualifications, I do not believe that particular organization is the only way to learn how to translate the Bible. Maybe his translations aren't accurate... But I'm not going to be convinced that they are or aren't because they didn't learn to translate the Bible in the way that I approve of. I've taught myself many things without going to formal education... I get that translating the Bible is more important, but translators are just people, even formally educated ones are not infallible and are influenced by their biases. And there are other names listed as aiding and reviewing the translation process... Maybe you should take the time to discredit them as well? I was not convinced one way or the other on the accuracy of the passion translation via this review.... Seemed like mostly opinion to me. Again, not saying the whole thing is to be trusted, but I went to Bible college. I spent weeks unraveling the meaning of some of Paul's texts, using the original languages. And the ones that I have read in the passion translation actually brought the same meanings across that I arrived at through study- and made it much easier to understand. nobody is arguing that taking verses out of context or misapplying them is detrimental... But the case against the passion translation doing that was not proved in my opinion.
In its context that verse is referring to provision Paul is saying he’s learn to be content whatever situation he’s in So I agree if someone takes that scripture and builds a word by faith prosperity and literally nothing can stop me from what I want or want to do teaching then that’s seriously misquoting scripture And the charismatic Pentecostal church is rife with this kind of isejesus I know I was one for forty yrs Now I’m a charismatic Pentecostal evangelical Christian or cpe for short Yes I know but that’s another story on how I came about believing that title I would prefer to simply be called THE WAY➕🌈🇦🇺🇮🇱
The passion translation is for the 21st century. I hate reading older translations with the usual: thou, thee, etc. The passion translation is accurate..
I think that's a false comparison to make. How do you know the passion translation is accurate? If you asked some scholars who understand the Hebrew and Greek texts, would they say that its an accurate translation? It's not a translation, but only an interpretation
@@penttimuhli9442 you can call it whatever you want. Every translation is a form of interpretation. If you want to read the original script you may need to go back to the scroll 📜 or stones. The passion translation never replaced male with female or salt with sugar.
@@penttimuhli9442 TPT speaks to me in ways older translations like KJV don't. We should be more concerned about doing what the word says rather than nuances in translation.
The KJV was a translation from the Latin. Which was a translation from original languages. The English words don't even mean the same things now as they did when the KJV was written... So then you have to go do a etymology study to see how the meanings of the English words have changed if you want to accurately understand... It's like a game of telephone that spans across time....
MY TESTIMONY: I was manipulated to believing that the passion translation was GOD'S ordained WORD. I ordered a copy and the information provided many of which have no biblical foundation. I realized that whenever I read it I would find myself slumbering and this happened for about a year. After listening to Apostle Joshua Selman, I prayed to ask GOD that THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH exposed every false doctrine in my possession. In at early morning hours the next day, while praying I again decided to open the passion translation app on my phone to read scriptures. Immediately, I went to the app, I heard the VOICE ' APOSTASY'. I immediately deleted it and the slumbering immediately ceased, I also dispose of the hard copy after a warning from GOD to get it out of my home completely.
The passion translation seems to be for those with itching ears
Bang on
Well put
Thank God l am one of those.
Yes, that is absolutely corrupted.
Amen sister
No! Please watch Mike Winger/Bible Thinkers channel, also. He has videos of in-depth studies on the Passion Translation. It's demonic.
Mike does a great job
Watch "Fighting for the Faith" its good and no baptist baggage
I have never read the Passion translation, nor do I endorse it in any way, BUT other than Mike Winger most people who criticize the work (including this video) do so almost entirely via argument ad hominem. If you have specific concerns about the work I wish you would spell it out, but attacking the individual does nothing to tell me why the work is without merit.
This is new to me. I have been studying TPT for several years and I love it.
This man claims that and angel came to him in his room called passion and gave him extra revelation he named it passion translation after because he had seen library 📚 in heaven. Seriously if that doesn’t cause anyone to run far away from this then nothing will.
I have watched several YT videos by Mike Winger where he showed videoclips of Brian Simmons talking about getting downloads… Brian Simmons also claims to translate directly from Aramaic, even though the NT was written in Koine Greek.
Kinda, the "angel" (demon) appeared to him at a church he said. I think the angel who gave him the downloads was another angel. But the blasphemer says that Jesus told him to do all this. Either he is not being honest or its him being visited by demons.
The passion translation is made for passion seekers devoid of truth. It is tailored for the hypersensual charismatics. I stick with the KJV and NASB
You go girl
Hey Sister in Christ stick with the KJV, the NASB and all other modern versions are also corrupt.
av1611.com/kjbp/articles/logsdon-repudiates-nasb.html
I stick with the Tyndyl Versión and Wycliffe Bible 💯💯💯 it is deep but the Holy Spirit leads
Yeah except KJV follows a manmade tradition completely removing Gods name thousands of times...how insulting to the creator of the universe. Like trading bleach for cyanide
NASB for the win!!! 💪
No one must allow himself to be persuaded, by any arguments whatever, to decorate the Psalms with extraneous matter or make alterations in their order or change the words themselves. They must be sung and chanted with entire simplicity, just as they are, so that … the Spirit, Who spoke by the saints, recognizing the selfsame words that He inspired, may join us in them too. - Athanasius
Tommy 1•1•Six Orozco on point
I agree. Passion translation is not a translation, but absolutely corrupted thing. I was so shocked to read it today.
@DC_Kamehameha amen . spiritual insight is required.
If anyone wants to get rid of their passion Bible I’ll take it.
My biggest problem with this translation is that God is referred to as Jehovah all over the place. Jesus never called God Jehovah, he called God "the Father." My personal faith question with this is, Jehovah was a name later added , which replaced Yahweh. It is the name meant to refer to the characteristic of "an avenging god." In exodus it represents "The Lord is my banner." My struggle with this is also, that the Sumerians who worshipped deities, worshipped the diety of Jehovah. Christians love to call upon all these various names of God, like these different faces of the one God. This is exactly what Hindu's do as well. They worship the many faces of God through various names, then they start worshipping the names, then they give form to these names, and before you know it you have diety worship. Trust me I studied the ancient vedas and in hindu temples and it was all based on calling upon the names of God! It's the one thing that God is convicting me of that Christians promote but don't speak about. When Moses asked God what do I call you, he said "I am." It is a name that cannot be spoken actually. Jesus taught us to refer to God as our Father, then why are we calling God by these various names?
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. KJV
Spot-on analysis of The Passion Translation!
Thank you for this truth
I would agree that the issues with Brian Simmons are even more troubling with the translation.
This answers my question about TPT. Glad I saw this before buying it.
ua-cam.com/video/RZ2HrBT3ZgA/v-deo.html
This is a better indept video into the translation and how it's far away from what the Greek and Hebrew said .
I think when someone claims that God has appeared to them with additions to the Bible then there's serious issues there. Simmons claims that God appeared to him in a dream showing him a book which is John chapter 22. I believe that was on Sid Roth's It's Supernatural, but if you search for it on UA-cam you should easily find it. But there are major issues with the TPT, and yes, I have read all of the books of the TPT that are available right now and own a copy for reference purposes only.
This is the John 22 video.
ua-cam.com/video/nMwnUM5g_n8/v-deo.html
Yes, I agree, serious issues. Just look at the dangerous cults that have come from men who claim to have been given ‘extra knowledge’.... muhammed, Joseph Smith, to name a few and Charles Taze Russell thought he had it all worked out 🙄!. More recently seems che ahn of the NAR has jumped on the band wagon. While there is a market full of people wanting their ears scratched unfortunately we have to beware and use our discernment helping the deceived along the way. Has that book been useful to you for referring to? Being ten steps ahead of the lies is always wise. God bless 😊✝️🙌💕
Always, there are critics. But you, rightly divide the word of truth. Study to show yourself approved. You will know them by their fruit. And we will be known by our love. TPT is beautiful and so is KJV, ESV, etc.
so when you say listening to a teacher who is not rightly expounding the text, as a comparison to translations, be they paraphrases or what you would deem a translation (correct), do you mean; what you believe is truth, or what truth really is. There is a HUGE difference in this statement. To many, truth is denominational. For instance, if you are a Baptist-dispensationalist believer, you will view many scripture portions of the NT (and some OT) as future. If you are Reformed you will view much of the scripture as finished. Complete opposite; yet both believe their view is truth. So when someone comes along and believes that scripture is for "now", and for the "now' of every generation before us, and after, and brings that thought out in a version, that is to you, and many who follow your ideas, based on the comments; heresy? Yes, I agree, the Passion Translation should not be called a translation, but, you could also say that many translations should not be called a translation, as most have been translated from other translations, and very few, if any use the three oldest texts; Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Vaticanus and Codex Alexandrinus. So making a claim that the Passion translation is not a good translation could be said of most translations. If anyone here is a student, who really wants to discover truth (I say that loosely, as truth from scripture is endless, if it wasn't it wouldn't be from God, it would be from man, only denominations limit truth), I would recommend a couple of versions that you, and others might not have heard of- The Concordant Literal NT, and OT, Johnathan Mitchell's New Testament (Koine Greek in English), Young's Literal, Rotherham's Emphasized Bible. Yes, like the Passion they have all been translated by one man, but what makes anyone believe that a translation by community is superior, it only means that the translation has been translated to the slant of the communities teachings. And lets face, all versions are biased to a degree. So I say, find a version that will lead YOU into a deeper understanding of God and Christ. I use all the above, plus NASB, NIV, KJV, NKJV, Amplified, Mirror,, HCSB, but, for me the Concordant Literal is by far the most superior, and next to that the Johnathan Mitchell's NT Koine Greek. (the CLNT is from the three oldest texts-see above).
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If you have done these things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart, and the Bible warns that one day God will punish you in a terrible place called Hell. But God is not willing that any should perish.
Sinners broke God’s Law and Jesus paid their fine. This means that God can legally dismiss their case: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have you life.”
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I love the passion translation! It makes a lot of things more clear and it's very accurate.
I am sorry your love for it is what you hold dear. It is an unnecessary filter on the truth.
@@jeremyhewitt2637 Believe me, I've read and read many translations. I've read all the word for word translations. I actually think it's dumb to read only one translation. I don't agree on everything written in the paraphrased versions, but I like to see others point of view. I've actually read the King James more than any other version. That was written all the way back in 1611 so it definitely uses different words than Modern English in certain parts. You can feed off of any of them. When I first started reading about 10 years ago, I thought the King James version was the only one I could read. That's because everybody I knew was saying that. Once I started reading other versions I found out you can pick up different things out of each one. They all say about 98% of the same thing. Certain things are just worded different. I know a lot of people who tried reading the King James and couldn't understand anything in so they stopped even reading. It's not man's place to tell you what you can and cannot read. The Bible says that the holy spirit will teach you all things and you don't need any man to teach you anything.
I love it too!
@@LC-go1uhagree
It would have been nice if you had giving examples from the Passion Translation... Had the Translation there, pulled out Scription’s from that translation and proved it wrong instead of giving your OPINIONS ..All of the scriptures you quoted in this video should’ve been lined up to the passion translation and proven it was translated incorrectly ... so therefore people make your own decisions... spend time with God ....ask God ....compared the Passion Translation to your current Bible..I will ask God and I will study to show myself approved....
ua-cam.com/video/E69LmtbGZIg/v-deo.html this video did a good job at doing just what you said they should’ve done :)
Listen to all of Mike Wingers Vlogs. On The Passion translation…
ua-cam.com/video/RZ2HrBT3ZgA/v-deo.html
This is a better indept video into the translation and how it's far away from what the Greek and Hebrew said .
Run!
So you comepletely dismiss an entire branch of theology because of 1 translation?
How does the passion translation completely invalidate teachers from the “NAR”?
Can the foot say to the hand I don’t need you ?
I asked Holy Spirit about TPT. He said "I prefer the KJV and NKJV. So to 'test the spirit' I asked another friend to pray on this. She was told the the same and when she pressed in was told "it's off and not accurate."
Ya know I’m not gonna say that he didn’t have the experience he claims he had with the Lord when he says he was commissioned to translate the Bible. I will say that Brian Simmons came and spoke at a church in Louisiana months ago, a church that I was attending at the time and there was something off about his messages. I could discern that something wasn’t right. I won’t get into details, but I do not recommend this translation AT ALL.
I got born again reading King James Bible. The Word became alive in my heart. I read other translations but always go back to it . Something doesnt seem right when I tried to read tpt or the niv either . The Holy Spirit leads us into all truth .
I have a question about the TPT. I have studied with it for a while and I came across all the information about how bad it is. I have personally never found anything contradictory about it inside the text. I want to be smart though. Does anyone have specific examples of where its faulted in text? I am honestly trying to figure this out for myself.
It’s not necessarily one specific verse or even a handful of verses per se, but I would recommend you go to Mike Winger’s channel and watch his Passion Project series (at least some of it) and see the issues that lie at the heart of that “translation” and how it is fundamentally broken.
It is absolutely corrupted.
I have been trying to figure this out as well. So far I haven’t read anything in the TPT that raises red flags. Now, Brian Simmons believes that there isn’t a physical anti christ which is worrisome to me because that’s opposite of what I’ve always heard.
It is owned by satan.
Read in Luke, Mary's respond to the angel when he came to her
Could it be religious people are but hurt about Brian Simmons being called buy God to do this work?
No cause Gods Word is preserved, TPT is made the same way as all the cult books like the "new world translation" and the book of mormon
Good fire material.
Rev. 22:18,19
Thanks.
But if we talk about the real truth real quick, is it not obvious that the Passion Ministry is also not a Christian ministry?
Are they not part of WOF/NAR movement?
Partnered with Bethel etc?
What?!?!?
Agreed!
I think the scary thing is how many more words are added to the text. Words that are not found in the greek or hebrew. Accuracy of the scripture is extremely important. The Passion Translation is nothing more than indoctrination by scripture.
I received a copy of the Passion Translation as a gift. I believe I will be returning it.
Better...burn it
@@Dilley_G45 Ben, same for me. I just received 6 copies as a loving "gift" from someone who is supposed to love me and my family. I've known for a while they were being mislead but now have no doubt. I've thrown myself into researching this "translation" and I have to say.....it deserves to be excellent and fancy kindling.
I’ll take it if you’re getting rid of it.
No its not a translation. Its not a paraphrase. Its a re writing of the bible to make it say what Brian Simmons wants it to say. It is written so that the NAR (think churches like Bethel redding) has a bible to support their ideologies, doktrines and teachings. Normal translations that are done properly and honestly does not support the mystical and unbiblical practices and teachings of people like Bill Johnson, Che Ahn, Kris Vallotton, Brian Simmons, Heidi Baker etc.
Made me think about King James Version, should we not read that? They’ve had to revise it because of incorrect translations. I personally have learned so much from the passion translation, but I also have other translations to go alongside , which I believe is always a healthy practise.
KJV is very close to what the Hebrew and Greek text meant, even the EVS and NKJV. But comparing them to the Passion Translation , the Passion Translation is no where near the Actual transaltion as it was done by one person who doesn't have the credential to translate the bible . Check out thid video .
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Thanks brother
I will read from TPB then read from KJ and I see no wrong in that. If it helps people like me understand better.... God is Brian's judge. No man is perfect.
There are other translations that are easy to understand besides the King James. Don't make the mistake to go for the Passion version because King James is hard to understand in places. No man is perfect, but that is no excuse. Why not use something like ESV or NKJV if you can't understand KJV?
@@penttimuhli9442 yes Pentti
This guy admits that he's only looked at a little bit of the 'Passion Translation', gives no example of a verse that was incorrectly translated, yet tells people it's not a translation and encourages people not to read it... my recommedation: download the blue letter bible app and check out the greek/hebrew and ask Holy Spirit to illuminate truth. I personally think the Passion Translation is excellent and this guy who's bashing it ought to step off his high horse and stop following the crowd and actually do some research. Seriously... the dude actually said he only read a little bit of it and gives this critique. What a joke.
Mike Winger gives an excellent analysis of why TPT should be avoided
The Passion Translation is not the Word of God, it is the word of Brian Simmons.
People who believe in the NAR are the same ones who believe Elvis is still alive.
Mmmmm do you not know that Louie Giglio met and bowed to the pope...I loved his How great is our God message but disappointed in him once I saw he bowed to the pope. Is he catholic?
I believe all these new pastors are misleading many young generations. They will face God very soon if they do not repent.
I believe that is just a gesture of respect, not worship. One has to consider context. People also bow to Queen Elizabeth. It's just protocol.
The passion translation is my favorite when I read with my heart.
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
They add and take away from original Bible verses to make it sound nice.... does that sound good to you?
Well that is good it inspires you in your faith and relationship to Jesus
I noticed they skipped Ezekiel 25
Sounds like the John Mcarthur bible serie. Full of interpretations.
False, John Mac has solid foundational teaching.
Not saying that the passion isn't all you say it is but the argument I heard you make is "we have theological differences therefore I don't trust his ability to accurately translate the Bible". You didn't even show one scripture verse that he translated incorrectly and show why it was an incorrect translation from the original language.... So I feel like I'm left with that I'm just supposed to take your word for it. I get that Eugene Peterson doesn't claim that his is a translation, but it honestly comes across as hypocritical that you were obviously in favor of his "adding to the word" via paraphrase simply because you agreed with his theology, but then were not okay with tpt doing the same... I would think that if it was merely a matter of the label of the type that you disagreed with, the theology would not have been your focus. I heard the argument "when there is correct theology then unbiased translation is possible" (correct me if that is not what you were meaning to say)... That argument assumes that your theology is correct... And could be equally espoused by those who disagree with your theology, in favor of other translations. In my opinion, EVERY translation should be viewed in light of the biases of the interpreters, perhaps even more so the ones that come from a similar theological background as ourselves. It is much easier to be convinced that the Bible says something that it doesn't when it lines up with what we've always believed, then when it doesn't line up with long held beliefs.
As to his qualifications, I do not believe that particular organization is the only way to learn how to translate the Bible. Maybe his translations aren't accurate... But I'm not going to be convinced that they are or aren't because they didn't learn to translate the Bible in the way that I approve of. I've taught myself many things without going to formal education... I get that translating the Bible is more important, but translators are just people, even formally educated ones are not infallible and are influenced by their biases. And there are other names listed as aiding and reviewing the translation process... Maybe you should take the time to discredit them as well? I was not convinced one way or the other on the accuracy of the passion translation via this review.... Seemed like mostly opinion to me.
Again, not saying the whole thing is to be trusted, but I went to Bible college. I spent weeks unraveling the meaning of some of Paul's texts, using the original languages. And the ones that I have read in the passion translation actually brought the same meanings across that I arrived at through study- and made it much easier to understand. nobody is arguing that taking verses out of context or misapplying them is detrimental... But the case against the passion translation doing that was not proved in my opinion.
I'd recommend you to watch Mike Wingers series of TPT
He has interviewed bible scholars about it and they have a lot to say about it :)
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I would HIGHLY recommend you to watch these videos.
@@jacquelineflorian2078 me too
In its context that verse is referring to provision
Paul is saying he’s learn to be content whatever situation he’s in
So I agree if someone takes that scripture and builds a word by faith prosperity and literally nothing can stop me from what I want or want to do teaching then that’s seriously misquoting scripture
And the charismatic Pentecostal church is rife with this kind of isejesus
I know I was one for forty yrs
Now I’m a charismatic Pentecostal evangelical Christian or cpe for short
Yes I know but that’s another story on how I came about believing that title
I would prefer to simply be called THE WAY➕🌈🇦🇺🇮🇱
He meant Rev. 22 vv. 18-19
You are correct sir! My miss and my mistake at 5:20. Thank you for correcting/clarifying that!!
The passion translation is for the 21st century. I hate reading older translations with the usual: thou, thee, etc.
The passion translation is accurate..
I think that's a false comparison to make. How do you know the passion translation is accurate? If you asked some scholars who understand the Hebrew and Greek texts, would they say that its an accurate translation? It's not a translation, but only an interpretation
@@penttimuhli9442 you can call it whatever you want. Every translation is a form of interpretation. If you want to read the original script you may need to go back to the scroll 📜 or stones. The passion translation never replaced male with female or salt with sugar.
@@trommelbiel I wonder what a Bible translator would have to say about your answer? 😊
@@penttimuhli9442 TPT speaks to me in ways older translations like KJV don't. We should be more concerned about doing what the word says rather than nuances in translation.
@@trommelbiel No worries, but then is back to the question - is the Passion bible the Word of God or could it be a counterfeit ? 😊
No direct original language PT
Amen! NAR are the people with the Holy Spirit 😊
Passion translation is absolute nonsense, not word of God. But introduced as Bible. Hence deception.
The Passion Translation is not a translation; it is a paraphrase, and a very bad one, at that.
I stick with the (E)lect (S)tandard (T)ranslation 😅
What an arrogant little boy!
Confessions lol. Sorry not sorry, just how I see scripture that God elects people for salvation 🤷🏼♀️.
Wow thats HILARIOUS man. Too too funny.
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are you talking about the HCWV ? Hyper Calvinist Wooden Version ?
I love the TPT ❤️. Jesus is perfect theology ❤️.
I recommend liten to Mike Winger's series about it.
If you care about truth 🙂
No you shouldn't read it.
All the new Bibles after KJV have been changed or omitted scriptures. Deceiving even the elect.
The KJV was a translation from the Latin. Which was a translation from original languages. The English words don't even mean the same things now as they did when the KJV was written... So then you have to go do a etymology study to see how the meanings of the English words have changed if you want to accurately understand... It's like a game of telephone that spans across time....