MAJOR DECISION - Qantas To Fly Finnair Aircraft
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2023
- Qantas will fly Finnair Airbus A330s for 6 months to meet the demand they're seeing across their network. However, a decision to wet-lease the aircraft from the Oneworld partner has seen criticism and complaints from pilots' unions within Australia who claim that this is the end of the Spirit of Australia as a recent run of events highlight the company's change in direction and poor management. Additionally, the Australian pilots union claims a decision by Qantas is ultimately shocking and disappointing. Is this a good decision or bad for the company? In today's video, I discuss this subject.
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Lufthansa also wet leased Finnair A350 to operate flights between Frankfurt and Orlando.
While airlines around the world are seeing an increase in demand, Finnair has seen a decline due to airspace restrictions around Russia.
This is a great way for Finnair to continue generating revenue from aircraft that would otherwise be parked.
Finnair also started feeding Qatar Airways from the Nordic capitals HEL ARN CPH, Qatar Airways also has capacity problems
This is especially a great way to use the A330’s as the new route around russia restricts the usage of these aircraft on some asian routes.
If the airline needs planes quickly, then a deal within the OneWorld alliance makes sense. Qatar helped out BA the other year when there was a fuselage shortage (Dreamliner engine woes, or something?). It's the real world, guys and gals!
Actually has nothing to do with Oneworld. This is all about available aircraft and Fin had some with crews.
LOL. Did Qantas give them a fuselage or two (excluding wings and engines)? Never heard of that before.
@@craigbeatty8565 This is where an airline with too much capacity/crews that need lease it out to another carrier that actually need the capacity on short notice. Not surprising in this case since Fin Air is has issues overflying Russia these days going to Asia which was most of their long haul network.
"Poor management and poor planning." But don't worry, that's all right. Joyce will still get his bonuses and his golden handshake.
What model a330
@@William2512 I read 900
Then why does Air New Zealand have leased 2 A330s from WAMOS used for services from Auckland to Perth.
Qatar leases Cathay Pacific 777-300ERs for its operations, for the same reason as Qantas - huge growth within all branches of the Qantas Group.
Why does all of a sudden that when Qantas needs to expand its operations to lower air fares that instead of a positive attitude, people are angry, because it seems they are always angry about something, at this point you can have airfares low or keep them high and you would still complain.
Qantas A330 pilots are not fitted for the use case of Finnair A330s because Finnair have crewing schedules from Helsinki to Australia, its better for them to have them crewed for the way down instead of a handover of AUS -> FIN crew at an Asian port - this is especially the case when looking at the aircraft's rotation. For this to happen, it would be a dry lease off to Qantas and Finnair would lose the aircraft and can't have a rotating schedule that meets their demands.
Qantas' A330-300s that were chopped into freighters were due to the fact that Qantas Fleet Management signaled them to go due to them being too old for Qantas Mainline.
Fleet management and expansion are 2 separate groups within the QF group - Qantas is replacing its 737s with A321neos and 717s with A220s, with the A330 replacement order expected in August. And with A35K ULRs expected in the next few years.
I flew on Finnair A330 a few years ago. As I boarded I was shocked at how tightly packed the seating was configured, and immediately dreaded the pending long haul flight.
It turned out to be amazingly comfortable. The seat was the best economy class I can remember, the entertainment system proved very adequate. I was so comfortable I slept most of the flight without any difficulty. It was the easiest long haul flight I’ve ever done!
Their recent economy menu is nothing to talk about. You only get ONE hot meal on long-haul economy, and also ONE complimentary alcoholic drink served with your main meal. Any extra Alcoholic drinks throughout the flight must be paid for!
I recently flew from Stockholm nonstop to London Heathrow on a British Airways flight complete with a British Airways menu in the seat pocket that was a Finnair branded A320ceo and Finnair flight crew. It appears Qantas is not alone in this practice.
Yeah Finnair currently operate flights for BA and Qatar Airways, last summer they even flew to N-America for the Lufthansa Group. Finnair have excess capacity due to Russia's closed airspace.
I feel like Wet Leasing is a lot more common in other places and Australians don't have a lot of experience with seeing their major airline engaging in a wet lease agreement (even though QantasLink literally does this on a large scale with Alliance Airlines). I think it's just a little different for Aussies when it comes to our national airline wet leasing a widebody to operate international routes, but I believe that is just due to a lack of exposure to this type of operation
As you said, I reckon it could be exciting for some Australians who get to try out the Finnair product which we usually don't see in Australia
To parody a Monty Python song:
Finnair, Finnair, Finnair!
The airline that we want to be!
hope this allows for more International flights to return to Brisbane. Hate having to go to Sydney or Melbourne just to fly overseas
shouldn’t have scrapped their 744’s 😅😅
That's the dilemma airlines have to deal with, the energy economics paired with the pandemic, and again paired with the supply chain shortcomings and increase flying demand from consumers.
The management team could focus on what it's got and has control of than strong-arming the local unions or other support organizations.
Having done three Finnair Business Class flights in the last 3 months I would not think you should be highlighting finnair service. On one leg I was given the entire business class meal including hot cup of tea on one tray at the same time and then the cabin crew disappeared for the remainder of the flight.
What about the other 2 flights?? Or do you only highlight negatives
@@justinmcdaid2594 strange reply. They were average, but I do not believe that Finnair should be called out as an exemplar of good service, that Qantas could learn from.
I agree Ian, Long haul economy is also below par for a full service, European carrier. My mother flew from SIn-Hel-KRK , and she only got some sort of tomato penne pasta as the main hot meal ( no other choice, not sure if they ran out of choices or this is only what they offered) for the SiN-HEL leg, you only get ONE alcoholic drink with your main meal -any extra alcoholic drinks must be paid for. She also had her luggage case damaged last year and is still waiting for the compensation they approved for the damage 10 months ago!
Every airline is struggling with something. I think Qantas has made some smart decisions with the new fleet coming - their pricing deal for A220, A321 & A350 would have been exceptional emerging from the pandemic. I do think the A330neo fits in well with the QF strategy - lets see what happens at Paris air show! And capacity issues - welcome to every airline in the🎉 world. For Finnair this is a win for their Winter aircraft usage and for Qantas a win for increased capacity during Summer.
If Qantas can lease or buy they have a huge fleet well done to them
give brisbane some aircraft
Qantas wet-leased seven Air Canada 767-300s after Ansett collapsed in 2001. In 1988-89 Qantas leased a 747 from Martinair - QF cabin crew, Dutch pilots. What is old is new again.
Thanks for the video Mate
QF desperately need new aircraft, need to order way more 787s their international network has shrunk way too much the past 20 years
They shrunk it because it was losing tons of money. They make the money off the domestic not international. Australia is not well positioned for a lot of traffic and the country is actually small in terms of population.
@@johniii8147 well yeah but some of those routes would be profitable today (eg places in South Asia and USA)
they cut brisbane airport off
Tho they are already moving to potentially order more A350 so I mean they don’t necessarily have to order 787 to fix those issues.
@@johniii8147 yeah, but brisbane lacks flights
Qantas decisions have come back to haunt them...
As a Finn - let me/us know if there are any problems with this arrangement. Please note that Europe is basically a castle.
I'm sometimes quite tired. Europe is at war yet we should smile. Yes, Europe will forever be self-contained receiving only the people we want - we don't want to be the the mess US is. What should Europe do? Europe will do it all - before the...........
Didn’t quantas get rid or perfectly good 747s during lockdown. I am wrong?
That’s almost a massive’ decision 😅
I have to say Finnair in my experience is a lovely airline to fly on so Id probably prefer economy Finnair to Quantas
The fact that, in a period when half the industry is racing to keep up demand, Finnair found that leasing out their capacity will drive more revenue than running their own service, just shows how much they're impacted by Russia's airspace closures.
Yes no doubt that has hit them hard. Oh well, things could be worse. They could be Aeroflot!
@@seandoherty925 actually, before the Russian invasion. Aeroflot actually had good, renowned service in Economy / Premium Economy, definitely better than Finnair at the time!
@@paulsz6194 that may be so but to people of a certain age,(old enough to associate them with CCCP era) their previous reputation would have taken a lot to overcome. With the recent actions of their government that will never happen in Western countries now.
If I was Quantas I would order a few A330 neos and do additional freighter conversions, but hey I'm just a random dude on the internet 😊
Whatever they do, they need to renew their fleet. Their aircrafts and specifically the international ones are ridiculously old. The only thing that help them to survive is the fact that Australia is away from other parts of the world. If they had to compete with Middle Eastern airlines or European ones they would be broken long time ago.
Qantas has no choice in the matter. Makes sense they lease Finnair A330s as these have the same CF6 engines as Qantas examples
Don’t know what the engines have anything to do with it, Qantas isn’t going to service them locally anyway.
wow.... nice mister ❤
I doubt those a330 will have the new business class seats
Qantas should've kept the 747-400ER for an extra 3-4 years after the lock down
So do Qantas regret scrapping two A380's yet...
What is controversial on this leasing?
Qantas sold 2 A330’s recently and the commenced the lease of Finnair aircraft. It’s not mentioned in this video. It’s to undercut staff since Finnair will be operating the flights with their cabin crew and pilots.
The wet lease sounds a bit wrong to me as no doubt QF has its own people whose job is to fly and crew their planes. Their CEO is also leaving which makes the whole deal sound strange.
Crew need to be specifically trained to operate on certain types/ models of Aircraft-which includes flight attendants. You can’t just put a crew who is trained to fly in a B737 into an A330...
Joyce was lauded as a very competent CEO during the time that blind Freddy could have run an international airline. Joyce came from a small airline and turned Qantas into one as well, no vision, poor planning, but will still walk away with a huge golden handshake for a job very badly done.
Tired of hearing out Joyce. He's actually done a pretty good job of managing the situation.
@@johniii8147 by cutting off flights from brisbane airport. Now trying to travel overseas out of Brisbane is a nightmare
he wants brisbane to miss out
It is a win win as the closure of the Russian airspace has restricted the Finnair routes especially to South East Asia
The only person who should have been sacked at QANTAS is the CEO . He has made so much money that they could have bought a couple of these flying death traps . I wonder how big a kick back he got from Airbus to buy their stinking A350's . The Boeing 777 is the best wide body in the air today . If they were falling back on capacity , why convert their own 330's to freighters , when there are thousands of air freight companies around that could carry there stuff around a lot cheaper . Oh well New Zealand screwed Ansett so now the Irish and Finns are doing the same to QANTAS .
Qantas needs to be brought by the government again
Good video you are best youtuber.
Qantas should order some a330-800 or 900s to replace their ageing a330s
Sorry for the worda but its utter poor planning
Buy horse like 787 or777xit gives no headache.
Finnair are a good airline 👍
Really, when was the last time you have flown with them? They have really cut back in economy. Particularly in the quality of the meals. They are also well known for only offering you ONE alcoholic drink with your main meal. All other extra alcoholic drinks must be paid for in flight!
Still don't understand why Australian's don't boycott Qantas to force Alan Joyce out of the company due to his gross statement concerning the customers being the problem to cover up his incompetence. He might bring in the profits but his attitude is intolerable to head up a national brand. Your observations are welcome.
Why would anyone be excited with an A330? It’s junk compared to the A350, A380, 777-300 and 747-8. If you are excited by the A330, might as well bring some A300s back from the junkyard.
But the Finnair A330 is available, quiet and well-maintained. We caught an Aer Lingus A330ceo back from ORD into Dublin a year ago. Very quiet and comfortable Business Class cabin.
Works for me!
They are good solid aeroplanes. Qantas will need more of its own more modern aircraft whether that be A350s or A330neos in due course. Until that time the short term leasing of these modern crewed aircraft, at a time when they are short of both, seems like a win win to me.😢
The A330 is a versatile aircraft, Asia Pacific and Oceania carriers love the jet capabilities doing short and long haul flights. Short haul wide body flights is were the A330 is good at especially in the asian region were travel demand is rising.
@@mxttyzw I’ve flown on some Air Asia X flights, all using the A330. A few months after one of them into Perth, the same flight had an engine explosion and was lucky to limp into Perth.
@alanmiller9681 The A330 also holds the record for the longest unpowered glide in history, when Air Transat drivers ignored fuel warnings and ended up (just!) in the Azores. Advantage of wings built in Wales - powered by dragons!
I will not fly in a plane if seats are wet darlinks
Ok.
@ margarita , What’s a " wet darlinks " ... Never heard of this term in the aviation industry- can you elaborate a little more ,?
@@paulsz6194 Probably meant ‘darling’. Just ignore them, they post silly comments on many of these videos.
Will glad to see the back of Joyce.
he cut all flights from brisbane during the pandemic and then didn't return many, stating, who would wanna go to Brisbane