I can't believe an actor like Edward Norton never won an Oscar. I truly hope he's gonna win for A Complete Unknown. One of the best actors of his generation.
Is it true that Norton is a bit difficult to work with? If so, that might be the reason he's never won. It's definitely not for a lack of talent. He's an amazing actor.
The negative reviews for Fighr Club reminds me of the early reception the movie Ghost had. Once it was released, the reviews sucked. The only difference between the two films is that there was a shift for Ghost. It killed at the box office, and got nominated for a bunch of Oscars. I wish Fight Club experienced the same shift.
Please please do a Why John Fords The Searchers flopped at the Oscars. That movie has stood the test of time very well, more so than those nominated and winning from 1956, and has been cited by many of the great filmmakers as one of their favorites and influential on their careers. It received no nominations and snubbed for best picture, director, actor for John Wayne, and color cinematography.
I didn't know Courtney Love was considered for Marla until this video and she would have been just as good as Helena Bonham Carter, granted in a different way.
I'm almost positive I saw this film on VHS (VHS!!!) years after it came out and haven't seen it since. I absolutely loved it at the time. I'm going to have to find it somewhere and watch it again. Thanks, Brian, for making this video about it and reminding me what a good film Fight Club actually was.
Please make on why the Shawshank redemption never got a single Oscar and Frank darabont a nomination?and why al Pacino never got award for godfather 2 and dog day afternoon
It just wasn’t an “Oscar movie”, especially for that time. Something that bleak, bloody, camp-y, satirical was never gonna be an awards fav in that era. And while it got overall solid reviews it wasn’t so acclaimed that it demanded awards attention. Like a lot of the better movies from ‘99, time has made it stand out more.
I’ll tell you why it flopped at the Oscars. It didn’t get very good reviews at the time of its release. I remember that EW gave it a C- when it came out. It’s not about what WE thought, as with all Oscars, it’s about what the Academy thought about it, which, as we know, is often based on critical reviews. No mystery here.
When I watched Fight Club for the first time, I thought it's the type of movie that got at least 8 Oscars nominations, imagine my shock when I learned that the movie was overlooked throughout the award season...
I dont get how The Cider House Rules got all the hype it did in 1999, especially considering the competition. Michael Caine for me is the weakest of all 5 supporting actor nominations, especially considering he had just won an oscar. I wouldnt have nominated Brad Pitt in his place tho, my vote would’ve definitely went to Lawrence Fishbourn. That would have been an inspired oscar nomination, that i believe would have aged well. Morpheus is such an iconic character. Theres even a lot of movies i would nominated instead of TCHR for best picture: The Matrix, Talented Mr Ripley, Fight Club, Magnolia, Being John Malkovich… hell i wouldnt even have nominated it for screenplay over fight club. You should do a video about Why the hell did The Cider House Rules do so well at the academy awards! It baffles me
Holy shit, i just double checked and saw it got a best director nomination as well over Paul Thomas Anderson, over David Fincher, over Frank Darabont, over the Wachowskis….
Weren't there ANY great films released in 1999 that featured female protagonists? Oh, yeah. There was one. "Princess Mononoke." Otherwise, this was the most intensely guy-centric movie year of my young adulthood. Even the movies I loved (for instance, the beautiful and moving "The Straight Story") had male central characters, while some of the most highly regarded movies of the year (for instance, "Election" and "American Beauty") featured distinctly misogynistic depictions of female characters. For me, at the time, "Fight Club" seemed like just one more dude-movie that blamed women for all men's problems. I've heard plenty of people whose opinions I trust argue that this view is a complete misunderstanding of the movie, and the people who see it as misogynistic are just not paying attention. I believe that. The trouble is that a lot of the fans, then and now -- those in the so-called "manosphere" -- have been guilty of that same misunderstanding and have accordingly claimed it as their own.. They LIKE the perceived misogyny and proclaim Tyler Durden as a hero to be admired and emulated. This, I think, has kept potential viewers from embracing the movie.
Great summary, Brian. The legacy of the movie far outshines the reception it got then. It's still one of the most syndicated and quotable movies of the last 25 years. Such a visionary movie that takes a while to appreciate. 😊
My problem with "Fight Club" was the twist. I saw it after "The Sixth Sense" and felt it just did not compare. I appreciate the overall artistry of the film, but I was going "WTF" in the theater.
I agree. I actually wanted to see the whole show big I was so caught up with work that I actually lost touch with what film it was that I wanted to go and see in the cinemas.
Fight Club is a spectaular film. It deserved at least 7 Oscar nominations. It was beautifully shot, acted, directed, edited and written. I loved everything about this film, it is a real travesty that it did not even receive a best actor, director or even cinematography nomination. The Academy are ignorant and I find it so hilarious that this iconic masterpiece of a movie is rewatched, talked about, and more popular today than any of the other movies that year. Fight Club's legacy will live on. It has aged like fine wine. Could you please do a video on why "Heat" flopped at the Oscars in 1996?
I watched it for the first time this year. I remember they talked a lot about it at the time and I always remember that pink soap bar for some reason. Great movie indeed.
I find Fight Club engaging, dynamic and novel until it loses me with its nihilism. It's #10 on my list for that year. I agree with you on Cider House. That's a pretty weak film.
Dude I remember being 15 and wondering why the f*** fight club wasn't up for any Oscars of importance. The Oscars have always pitted themselves against public opinion. In my circle fight club was the biggest movie of 99
An enduring film like Right Club is passed over while meh ones like Cider House Rules are honored by the industry? I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
I went to see it in the theater innTimes Square like the 1st or 2nd weekend it was opened. I was weary at first because it wasn’t my kind of movie. But I fricking loved it.
Please please do an Oscar fiasco video for Knives Out and Glass Onion. Two wildly entertaining masterpieces that only got a single screenplay nomination each??
I wouldn’t expect a movie like fight club to win any awards.. 😂… I always thought that was an underground film …i mean.. it feels like an underground movie .. it’s not for everyone… but it’s a brilliant..work of art
David Fincher is one of those directors whose movies are too ahead of their time for their own good (as far as Oscars go). Fight Club, Social Network, Se7en, Zodiac are films still in the zeitgeist while all the Oscar winners of those years no one really cares about.
Reason No. 6: This is a TOTAL poseur movie, striking a "subversive" pose brought to you by Rupert Murdoch at 20th C Fox. It's funny that you still fall for the "Fox didn't know how to market the film" angle which I vividly recall. There was even a whole piece about it in Newsweek about how subversive this was and what it might do to filmgoers' minds, etc. That was the pitch which it pretty much failed to live up to. Also, a film that falls apart in the third act and just throws a Pixies song on the soundtrack is not a masterpiece - that's called "a reach". What it was reaching for, who knows? There are some interesting elements here, of course, but it doesn't add up to much and all Fincher could think to do was pretty much the same thing Emerald Fennel got excoriated for in last year's Saltburn - "lemme just retell the entire film in the last 20 mins., just to be super obvious and on the nose." The key takeaway here is that you saw this when you were 14. I saw Logan's Run when I was 11 and for many years thought it was absolutely aces. Eventually I realised it was deuces. The lasting appeal of this film is as superficial as the conformist, capitalist, empty superficiality it seeks to criticise - proof enough of the shallow empty pose it actually strikes. You can just hear the creatives on set saying, "We'll work it out in post!" /smh
Maybe it never crossed your mind that this is a deeply flawed movie. Just because it’s very popular with (younger) audiences does not mean it’s a classic. No serious critic considers this one the great movies.
The fact that it won a Spike TV award shows that the film failed to get across any form of satire. At least in my opinion it ends up only fetishizing violence and negative world views.
For whatever reason I have never seen this movie because I was never interested in it and I probably will never watch it but good video for me as it gives me background into the story and its characters.
Yeah, I’ve seen it twice and it always kind of lost me around forty minutes in, ironically around the time the Fight Club actually gets started. What’s funny is I had the opposite with Seven, where the first two hours were kind of pedestrian and then the ending, oh my God.
I didn’t like it back then, rewatched it recently, still don’t like it. The message you’re trying to pass is as good as it is interpreted. I still agree with most 1999 critics. And taking the 2024 context into consideration, if your message is adopted by extremists and dangerous ideologies, maybe your message isn’t as well-crafted as you wanted it to be.
Yeah, this is kind of one problem that seems to arise around films like this. They have fairly negative depictions of these things (in this case violence and misogyny) but they also manage to make them kind of cool. By contrast, you rarely see White Supremacists adopting imagery from The Producers for example.
it flopped at the Oscars because no one was allowed to talk about it 😂
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I can't believe an actor like Edward Norton never won an Oscar. I truly hope he's gonna win for A Complete Unknown. One of the best actors of his generation.
I've seen Primal Fear when it came out. It was considered a Richard Gere vehicle at the time, but Norton's performance was mindblowing.
He should have won for either Primal Fear or American History X. Hell, he should have won for both.
Me too- he is supposed to be AMAZING as Pete Seeger.
He has stiff competing from
Guy Pearce the brutalist
Denzel gladiator 2
Clarence divine eye sing sing
Is it true that Norton is a bit difficult to work with? If so, that might be the reason he's never won. It's definitely not for a lack of talent. He's an amazing actor.
The negative reviews for Fighr Club reminds me of the early reception the movie Ghost had. Once it was released, the reviews sucked. The only difference between the two films is that there was a shift for Ghost. It killed at the box office, and got nominated for a bunch of Oscars. I wish Fight Club experienced the same shift.
Please please do a Why John Fords The Searchers flopped at the Oscars. That movie has stood the test of time very well, more so than those nominated and winning from 1956, and has been cited by many of the great filmmakers as one of their favorites and influential on their careers. It received no nominations and snubbed for best picture, director, actor for John Wayne, and color cinematography.
Thankfully Fight Club is now an absolute classic. Great movie with fantastic actors and actress.
It’s not a classic
@@CRM-114 you got anything better than to shit on a 25 year movie?
Does anyone find it funny how great films ignored by the Oscars are more memorables and influential than the winners?
The ranking system of voting means that movies that are the least polarizing would win BP. It almost ensures the “average-ness” of Oscar winners.
Not funny at all, the Academy goes for mainstream movies. Fight Club, however, is not a great movie.
@@CRM-114What's wrong with it?
I think Courtney Love playing Marla Singer would have been awesome. At the same time, Helena Bonham Carter nailed that role.
I didn't know Courtney Love was considered for Marla until this video and she would have been just as good as Helena Bonham Carter, granted in a different way.
I'm almost positive I saw this film on VHS (VHS!!!) years after it came out and haven't seen it since. I absolutely loved it at the time. I'm going to have to find it somewhere and watch it again. Thanks, Brian, for making this video about it and reminding me what a good film Fight Club actually was.
Please make on why the Shawshank redemption never got a single Oscar and Frank darabont a nomination?and why al Pacino never got award for godfather 2 and dog day afternoon
It just wasn’t an “Oscar movie”, especially for that time. Something that bleak, bloody, camp-y, satirical was never gonna be an awards fav in that era. And while it got overall solid reviews it wasn’t so acclaimed that it demanded awards attention. Like a lot of the better movies from ‘99, time has made it stand out more.
First rule of fight club, we don't talk about fight club
That’s actually the second rule
I’ll tell you why it flopped at the Oscars. It didn’t get very good reviews at the time of its release. I remember that EW gave it a C- when it came out. It’s not about what WE thought, as with all Oscars, it’s about what the Academy thought about it, which, as we know, is often based on critical reviews. No mystery here.
When I watched Fight Club for the first time, I thought it's the type of movie that got at least 8 Oscars nominations, imagine my shock when I learned that the movie was overlooked throughout the award season...
This movie is what American Beauty was saying it was but wasn’t
I dont get how The Cider House Rules got all the hype it did in 1999, especially considering the competition. Michael Caine for me is the weakest of all 5 supporting actor nominations, especially considering he had just won an oscar. I wouldnt have nominated Brad Pitt in his place tho, my vote would’ve definitely went to Lawrence Fishbourn. That would have been an inspired oscar nomination, that i believe would have aged well. Morpheus is such an iconic character.
Theres even a lot of movies i would nominated instead of TCHR for best picture: The Matrix, Talented Mr Ripley, Fight Club, Magnolia, Being John Malkovich… hell i wouldnt even have nominated it for screenplay over fight club.
You should do a video about Why the hell did The Cider House Rules do so well at the academy awards! It baffles me
Holy shit, i just double checked and saw it got a best director nomination as well over Paul Thomas Anderson, over David Fincher, over Frank Darabont, over the Wachowskis….
Leonard Maltin was so stupid to predict that The Cider House Rules would win Best Picture that year.
Facts
No need for a video, it's simple: Miramax. The Academy nominated damn near everything the Weinsteins produced during that time.
The best thing about the Sound Editing nomination is seeing Chow Yun-Fat’s swagger on the Oscars stage in this video. The man’s got tons of charisma ❤
academy award for best abs on film
Cider House Rules getting into Film Editing is maybe the most insane snub
It's the blandest of all that year's nominees, IMO.
Weren't there ANY great films released in 1999 that featured female protagonists?
Oh, yeah. There was one. "Princess Mononoke."
Otherwise, this was the most intensely guy-centric movie year of my young adulthood. Even the movies I loved (for instance, the beautiful and moving "The Straight Story") had male central characters, while some of the most highly regarded movies of the year (for instance, "Election" and "American Beauty") featured distinctly misogynistic depictions of female characters. For me, at the time, "Fight Club" seemed like just one more dude-movie that blamed women for all men's problems.
I've heard plenty of people whose opinions I trust argue that this view is a complete misunderstanding of the movie, and the people who see it as misogynistic are just not paying attention. I believe that. The trouble is that a lot of the fans, then and now -- those in the so-called "manosphere" -- have been guilty of that same misunderstanding and have accordingly claimed it as their own.. They LIKE the perceived misogyny and proclaim Tyler Durden as a hero to be admired and emulated. This, I think, has kept potential viewers from embracing the movie.
Great summary, Brian. The legacy of the movie far outshines the reception it got then. It's still one of the most syndicated and quotable movies of the last 25 years. Such a visionary movie that takes a while to appreciate. 😊
My problem with "Fight Club" was the twist. I saw it after "The Sixth Sense" and felt it just did not compare. I appreciate the overall artistry of the film, but I was going "WTF" in the theater.
I agree.
I actually wanted to see the whole show big I was so caught up with work that I actually lost touch with what film it was that I wanted to go and see in the cinemas.
04:22; imagine the 'passing of the torch' moment if both "Eyes Wide Shut" and "Fight "Club" were released in the same month.
Fight Club is a spectaular film. It deserved at least 7 Oscar nominations. It was beautifully shot, acted, directed, edited and written. I loved everything about this film, it is a real travesty that it did not even receive a best actor, director or even cinematography nomination. The Academy are ignorant and I find it so hilarious that this iconic masterpiece of a movie is rewatched, talked about, and more popular today than any of the other movies that year. Fight Club's legacy will live on. It has aged like fine wine.
Could you please do a video on why "Heat" flopped at the Oscars in 1996?
I watched it for the first time this year. I remember they talked a lot about it at the time and I always remember that pink soap bar for some reason. Great movie indeed.
an incredible movie and a great adaptation of the source material
Other movies from 1999 that nobody talks about are two of my personal favorites, Dogma and Man on the Moon
I find Fight Club engaging, dynamic and novel until it loses me with its nihilism. It's #10 on my list for that year. I agree with you on Cider House. That's a pretty weak film.
Think I'll rewatch it today. Only seen it once.
Dude I remember being 15 and wondering why the f*** fight club wasn't up for any Oscars of importance. The Oscars have always pitted themselves against public opinion. In my circle fight club was the biggest movie of 99
Please make on heat 1995 snubbed at Oscars
An enduring film like Right Club is passed over while meh ones like Cider House Rules are honored by the industry? I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
I think it would be a good idea to a review for all great 1999 movies
It is the greatest year for movies
I went to see it in the theater innTimes Square like the 1st or 2nd weekend it was opened. I was weary at first because it wasn’t my kind of movie. But I fricking loved it.
Please please do an Oscar fiasco video for Knives Out and Glass Onion. Two wildly entertaining masterpieces that only got a single screenplay nomination each??
Hopefully next will be
How elvis flopped at the oscars
And How Dune part 1 Domiated the oscars.
Can you do a video on how and why Power of the Dog flopped at the Oscars after being a clear overall favorite to win BP?
Seems the closest other Oscar nomination for this film was for Bonham Carter, who was certainly snubbed.
I wouldn’t expect a movie like fight club to win any awards.. 😂… I always thought that was an underground film …i mean.. it feels like an underground movie .. it’s not for everyone… but it’s a brilliant..work of art
And fight club got a video game adapation
1999 was a great year in film but my favorites were Run Lola Run, Go, and Eyes Wide Shut. They got zero nominations.
At least they showed up at BAFTA and Golden Globes ❤
David Fincher is one of those directors whose movies are too ahead of their time for their own good (as far as Oscars go). Fight Club, Social Network, Se7en, Zodiac are films still in the zeitgeist while all the Oscar winners of those years no one really cares about.
Some time critics can be wrong
Reason No. 6: This is a TOTAL poseur movie, striking a "subversive" pose brought to you by Rupert Murdoch at 20th C Fox. It's funny that you still fall for the "Fox didn't know how to market the film" angle which I vividly recall. There was even a whole piece about it in Newsweek about how subversive this was and what it might do to filmgoers' minds, etc. That was the pitch which it pretty much failed to live up to. Also, a film that falls apart in the third act and just throws a Pixies song on the soundtrack is not a masterpiece - that's called "a reach". What it was reaching for, who knows? There are some interesting elements here, of course, but it doesn't add up to much and all Fincher could think to do was pretty much the same thing Emerald Fennel got excoriated for in last year's Saltburn - "lemme just retell the entire film in the last 20 mins., just to be super obvious and on the nose." The key takeaway here is that you saw this when you were 14. I saw Logan's Run when I was 11 and for many years thought it was absolutely aces. Eventually I realised it was deuces. The lasting appeal of this film is as superficial as the conformist, capitalist, empty superficiality it seeks to criticise - proof enough of the shallow empty pose it actually strikes. You can just hear the creatives on set saying, "We'll work it out in post!" /smh
Maybe it never crossed your mind that this is a deeply flawed movie. Just because it’s very popular with (younger) audiences does not mean it’s a classic. No serious critic considers this one the great movies.
Great films ignored at the oscars
The iron claw
Election starring recee winterspoon
God's own country
Pecks of being a wallflower
How can you not mention The Sixth Sense in your opening :p
Why did Three Kings flopped at the Oscars 😢
The fact that it won a Spike TV award shows that the film failed to get across any form of satire. At least in my opinion it ends up only fetishizing violence and negative world views.
I think you mean "realistic" world views.
For whatever reason I have never seen this movie because I was never interested in it and I probably will never watch it but good video for me as it gives me background into the story and its characters.
Give some love to the script. Jim Uhls.
To be honest, I’ve never loved Fight Club. It kind of peters out for me around the forty minute mark. I dunno, maybe I needed to be there.
Brad Pitt is in the movie??
25th Anniversary!!.....3 days ago. 😅😊
Maybe the reason for Fight Club snub was that it was not associated with Miramax and Weinstein?
The Best Picture winner that year ("American Beauty") won against a Miramax movie ("Cider House Rules"), so...
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So I guess those who love Bridge Over The River Kwai and Gladiator are rolling their eyes at you now. 😅😅
Fight Club starts off as the greatest movie ever made and ends up as something seriously pedestrian.
Yeah, I’ve seen it twice and it always kind of lost me around forty minutes in, ironically around the time the Fight Club actually gets started. What’s funny is I had the opposite with Seven, where the first two hours were kind of pedestrian and then the ending, oh my God.
I didn’t like it back then, rewatched it recently, still don’t like it. The message you’re trying to pass is as good as it is interpreted. I still agree with most 1999 critics. And taking the 2024 context into consideration, if your message is adopted by extremists and dangerous ideologies, maybe your message isn’t as well-crafted as you wanted it to be.
Yeah, this is kind of one problem that seems to arise around films like this. They have fairly negative depictions of these things (in this case violence and misogyny) but they also manage to make them kind of cool. By contrast, you rarely see White Supremacists adopting imagery from The Producers for example.
So once again Ebert was right. It was pandering with its hyper violence, and the message was lost on its fans.
I cut class my senior year in high school to see this movie with my boyfriend lol. I thought I was 3edgy5u
Why Heat flopped at the Oscars?
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Fight Club is a movie that was ahead of its time.
I ever always like this film ❤
Because it is an incel fever dream
It's not though