A Magic Ratio? Trailblazing Pest Solutions. Nitrate & Phosphate Ratios vs Concentration.
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- Segment 5/11: Is it possible to kill algae, cure cyanobacteria, prevent dinoflagellates and have thriving corals by finding a perfect balance between Nitrate and Phosphate level? Are there "best" Nitrate and Phosphate levels for a reef tank? Can the Redfield Ratio from the ocean be the answer?
The discussion of reef chemistry related to phosphate levels and nitrate levels in our reef tanks is an ever evolving topic. If we just put our heads in the sand and avoid exploring Nitrate and Phosphate relationships further, we might be leaving bunch of opportunity on the table.
So if there is a magic ratio how do we achieve it if our fish foods won't let us?
➡ Segment 6: Fish Foods w/Purpose : brs.li/BRStv_Foods_That_Matter
The Nitrate and Phosphate saga continues...
➡ Segment 7: New vs. Old Reefer : brs.li/BRStv_New_Vs_Old_Reefer
➡ Segment 8: Ryan's Beliefs : brs.li/BRStv_Ryans_Nutrient_Be...
➡ Segment 9: Food & Nutrients : brs.li/BRStv_Smarter_Fish_Food
➡ Segment 10: Effective Filtration Solutions : brs.li/BRStv_Filtration_Tools
➡ Segment 11: Water Change Tools? : brs.li/BRStv_WaterChanges_Value
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When you evolve into a reef master you start speaking like this.
Let's just take a minute to say how far the brs videos have come along, and all the great knowledge the team has shared with us reefers to help us all have great tanks. My tank would not be what is is today without all the in depth videos.
You guys are leading the field in info. By far. Tidal gardens is leading in specific coral info. Both excellent resources.
Is there a perfect ratio between business in the front, to party in the back?
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You can't talk about redfield ratio with out talking about organic carbon. That is part of the ratio.
Great content! Love the new format! Keep on!!!
Holy moly, the production value of this channel has grown into something similar to that which David Attenborough would commentate on. Righteous.
Ryan 👍👍👍 👍LOVE what you’re doing!!! Great intro and video Quality!
Information packed with a classy touch!! Well done my friend🙌
Love your videos. Full of great information. It's helped understand water chemistry more than anything I watched
You have mutated into a👨🎓 Wisdom Master Reef tank Guru👍
The thing about ratios in nature: most have an optimal number for a specific organism.
But, that organism will still conduct the same process in a more or less extreme ratio. And other organisms in the same biome and even the same niche, may have an optimal ratio above or below that of the first.
So finding a perfect ratio is highly unlikely. But an optimal range is likely possible.
I'll use a much better understood process as an example: a compost pile. The "optimal" ratio is 30:1 (Carbon:Nitrogen)
But it is actually a functional range, you will still have a pile that composts at 20:1 or 65:1. The organisms conducting the decomposition and mineralization have an acceptable range, they have a gradient.
The closer you get to 30:1, the more optimal the rate of decomposition. As you go higher or lower, you find limiting factors.
But is it a prefect ratio? No, it's the ratio for a single organism. Not for every species inhabiting that pile.
If I have a very small pile at 30:1 (pile=concentration), I will grow only a few million bacteria through decomposition. If I have an enormous pile at 30:1, I will grow billions of bacteria through decomposition.
Here's the kicker, once I can no longer feed that species and my pile runs out; regardless of which pile. That species dies back and other forms of life assert themselves.
Bacterial numbers scale; so long as you provide them stable elements for their life cycle. And when that is disrupted, the colony crashes. which creates waste and drives other populations.
I would highly suspect that is true for prokaryotes in the ocean, as it is true for prokaryotes on land.
That said, this video; this series of discussions are excellent. I'm agreeing with what you said, just offering an isolated example where we have abundant data.
These ratios pop up all over the place in nature. What they are, is a ratio where two or more nutrient gradients interact in at an optimal rate.
I’m a little late to this party, but I certainly appreciate the information. I know Randy Holmes-Farley has discussed this many times over the years and essentially says the same. The biggest difficulty, as he points out, is that it is nearly impossible to maintain the Redfield ratio in a small closed systems such as home aquariums. Mainly because of the risk of dropping them to zero, thus creating more problems.
To try and maintain .03 PO4 and .3 NO3 in home aquarium would be extremely challenging to say the least. Some use a system similar to DSR where they essentially drop both to zero and then dose to the correct levels, but even this is very difficult to maintain and master. I think out of practicality, we will end up with a compromise of maybe 20:1 or greater. Most use the 100:1, but not because of any science behind it, but because it’s attainable.
great info
I just make sure I have a little bit of phosphate about 0.1 and nitrate just detectable but on the low side and everything is going pretty well
Awesome Morpheus! So bummed, I'm gonna have to bail on ya. Got half way through my build and ran out of money. Saw it coming, but was in denial. Will try to keep learning with you, if it's not too painful.
Great video and something im really interested in, be great to see two tanks run at those two values of 1 nitrate and 0.1 phos compared to 10 nitrate to 1 phos. Chances of an experiment series?
I wonder if food companies are going to start taking notice of this and trying to come out with food that has a better ratio so we aren't fighting ourselves with the food we use and our target nutrient and waste levels.
Reef master you are achieving; wisdom you speak.... “YODA”
I love these new videos!! but the the fake glowing corals in the back ground freak me out... haha
Wow Ryan. . . It's been awhile since the old dusty molecular bio lab days..... the smarties were doing the human genome down the hall at UCSC and we were growing anti-cancer immunobiologics at Genentech in San Francisco. . . I was impressed. This is just as awesome. Your mind is on point, and you are right up there, man! This is brain-blowing stuff. You're my hero, dude! I can feel the nuisance algae drifting away into the void!
Reef chilli "Redfield Ratio" special edition?
Lord Yoda Betcheller lecturing
Had having NO3 at 0 and PO4 at 3ppm for a month without algae problem at all (no need glass cleaning as no film algae there neither) I have no idea what going on. Corals are fine. Yes I used Purigen during that time. Now NO3, PO4 is back to zero.
Love the information but this camera work I first seen on reef builders with Jake, I thought it was silly then and I have not changed my mind here. When I talk and listen to anybody I look at them and do not jump around trying to look clever as I am clearly not
I'm anxious to see these results. Often you hear of many beautiful tanks achieving success with PO4 around .02ppm and NO3 around 2-5ppm which would be a 1:100 - 1:250 ratio.
Would it be suitable to say "first"? 🤣 so again, as mentioned on the other video ocean water testing is not a good indication. The billions of ocean life consumes the nutrients and when testing it seems low, yet when testing the incoming intake, it is actually alot higher. I start showing diatoms in a new tank and I will start feeding reef roids, even with no life in the tank other than bacteria. Vodka as carbon source is added and few days later the diatoms are nowhere to be found. It is unfortunate that in this hobby people are made to believe that top dollar equipment and top dollar additives is the law when actually you an do most of the reef stuff using your local grocery, pharmacy and liquor store. Love this series of videos by the way, not teying to sell anything other than some knowledge. If I lived in the US, wohld have supported you for sure.
I have a simple mixed reef setup, 75gal tank no sump, cheap $50 instant ocean HOB protein skimmer, and an instant ocean $80 9w HOB UV, Seachem 75 HOB, Icecap ATO, and a Jebao CP-90 (To my knowledge The Jebao is manufactured in the SAME building by the same company as the more expensive Icecap version, lol), 2 cheap 36"-48" 35watt Fluval AQUASKY lights.
I have 8 fish and around 25 different corals in my tank, I have never lost a coral, some of my Stonys have grown from thumbnail size to over 12" round in under a year and I dose NOTHING, I target feed NOTHING. All I do is feed my fish and a 10gal a week water change and I use the basic RedSea salt mix, not the pro version and my tank has been running this way for years with great success.
Overpriced equipment and additives don't contribute to success in the hobby at all it just makes some wealthier off the ignorance of others.
@@robertt8874 exactly my sentiment. So I started in this hobby around 2000.. give or take a year or two in either direction. I knew nothing off dosing and additives, in fact, i got the tank with 3 fish and live rock for free. So I ran tap water with bags of reef salt(cannot even remember the brand) normal acclimation and I never list a fish, I even kept predators like lion fish qith clowns and damsels.. anyway long story short, I then lost all of the fish when I had a tank crack at 1am in the morning. I did not have spare salt mix or spare tanks, I kept them all in a buckey of water I managed to save during thw leak, but thw water qas too little and they all died by the morning beforw I could go get a tabk and salt. I was devastated and I decided to try and fix my dead fish, so made it an obsession. I could jot afford expensive equipment and I then just read all I could find and tried many things. Now I run a 110 gallon with no skimmer and use basic things I can find at the pharmacy to dose nitrates becuae of the needs for the corals to consume as well as doaing carbon(vodka) to feed bacteria. I run Chaeto instead of a skimmer and actually love sitting watching the fuge with the living pods, aiptasia and bristle worms.
@@robertt8874 PS.. I also run Jebao pumps. I run a sump simply to keep the tank clear of equipment.. but I think qe bith agree expensive equipment is a waste of money.
@@turbocpt1 I have nothing against sumps I have used them in the past. I've been in the hobby for over 15yrs myself and been through several different tank setups. I currently 7 aquariums set up in my home🤣 just 2 are salt the rest are fresh
I gave my entire 90gal reef-ready set up to my brother 2yrs ago because I wanted a smaller set up so I would have less maintenance to keep up with. I set up a 55gal reef...... that didn't last long, 3 months later my LFS was moving and selling 75gal Marineland tanks for $50 LOL I couldn't stop myself. Now I'm fighting the urge to re-setup the 55gal I originally bought as another reef tank since it's not in use, lol.
Here in Israel they work on a 100:1 ratio meaning 1 nitrate to 0.01 phosphate, which is the correct ratio 10:1 or 100:1?
I'm not sure anyone knows with 100% certainty which ratio is correct. As a hobby, we're all still learning so much on this topic
@@BRStv will you guys do a comparison study at all between your 10:1 and a 100:1 hahahaha
The cuts from the front to the side camera is really distracting. It needs to calm down. There must of been 20. It’s so bad I feel like it’s a joke. Like once or maybe twice is fine but he’s got to look at the new camera.
Talk about not chasing numbers.... zZz
Need change up the camera views. The pattern is getting old....
What does the video title even mean? Lol
Please stop bouncing to video from front to side view its horrible, other then that the new format is cool
redfield ratio, No3/Phos... what a load of BS