Top Coral Dipping Mistakes! Don't Try These At Home With Your Reef Tank Corals.
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- There are all kinds of coral dips out there, Coral RX, Bayer, Brightwell Lugol's and more...with that all kinds of ways to FAIL using them. If you have LPS Corals, SPS corals or softie corals you don't want to miss this video! Knowing how to properly dip corals and what types of coral dips to use will not only make for higher chances they thrive, but also helps to keep you safe while dipping.
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00:00 Introduction
00:13 Not Dipping Your Corals
01:10 Not Wearing Gloves
02:22 Not Knowing What Your Dipping For
03:59 Assuming They All Do The Same Thing
04:14 Missing The Freshwater Dip
05:36 Missing Hydrogen Peroxide
07:59 Missing Anapestic Or Iodine
09:49 Not Reading The Instructions
11:13 Overdoing It
12:56 Not Rinsing Them
13:45 Not Heating The Water
14:42 Not Removing The Plug
16:20 Not Inspecting Your Corals
17:29 Not Reviewing What’s In The Bowl
19:29 Using The Dip, See, Toss, Pray Method
20:46 Overlooking A Separate Frag System
22:13 Not Having Coral Dips On Hand
23:35 Missing A Powerhead
24:58 Don’t Overlook Using Dips As A Treatment - Домашні улюбленці та дикі тварини
The two ambassadors of the hobby . Great video
Man oh man, it never ceases to amaze me how thorough and extensive the BRS videos are.... nearly every time I do a google search for a reefing topic, the BRS videos are always some of the most informative!!! Thank you Ryan!!! Also... we miss Randy.... go hire him back!!!!
I would love to see a investigates video on hydrogen peroxide dipping and freshwater dipping on different corals.
I second this motion
I vote yes
Yesss
Yes please
Dettol
#18 used a powerhead until I accidentally ripped all the tissue off a $140 acro because the powerhead was too strong and focused directly on that frag.
Expensive lesson to learn
Quick tip I always dip my empty hermit crab shells before putting them in tank also there is always something living in them
never even thought about that haha
That's not a bad idea at all! Thanks!
I live really close to Cherry Corals and pick up frags all the time. I can say they are awesome and I have never had pests from them. One of the best I have bought from.
Great vid guys 🙌🏻 wish we had u guys in England
Very informative 👍
Good info.
EYE PROTECTION... i used them 'glasses/sunglasses' style ones and a mushroom did it's business right over the top into my eye ball
went to A&E/Hospital, still having problems with it today (5 month later). Snail like slime coming out my eye like a stringy piece of nose bogie that you can pull out with 2 hands.
I went brutal on the description so it'll sink it lol. Happy Reefing
Очень познавательно, огромное Вам спасибо 👍
I over did it with coral rx... thought I had a gallon and had a half gallon container... dipped a really pretty (and mercifully cheap) sps piece... birdsnest I think... it was one of my first corals, and it bleached completely over night
Overnight that’s your problem
@@stephencairley172 I didn't dip it over night. I dipped it for the recommended time, but by the next morning it was bleached completely.
Only thing I had fall off my Cherry Corals or Unique Corals orders were a few copepods.
BRS is one of those very few companies I see myself always supporting. Always open to sharing all they have learned and even taking on projects to test and learn what we might not yet know. I for one am happy to pass my money this way.
Only bad experience I have had so far... Came mostly to bad timing and BRS was just the distributor. I had ordered a boatload of Tropic Marin Pro salt to be sure I had enough salt to last my new tank at least the first year. Given supply issues with Tropic Marin, but the outstanding track record of quality... I thought nothing of spending as much on Salt as I had for most my equipment.
Unfortunately, my timing meant I ended up with some Turkey-made TMP and did not figure out the issue until I had lost 90% of my LPS, and 100% of SPS. Softies made it through but didn't seem to grow much. Even my Hardy Rock flower anemones didn't like whatever it was... over half died during a several-week period.
I do not know nor can I blame the Tropic Marin Pro salt. I keep complete records and tests regularly. My tank was pristine, truly pristine... However, at months 6-7, all bets were off...That is when I decided to try the 200-gallon buckets next, though I still had multiple smaller boxes unopened of what I had been using since day 1.
I was only one Water change into the second bucket of the 200-gallon bucket of Turkish-made TMP. My Corals had already begun starting to look pastel and seemed to stop growing. Mind that I had already done 200 gallons of WC on my 100-gallon system. So my tank already slowly looking a bit worse for wear over the weeks but then everything seemed to start going downhill.
The ONLY change to my tank was the new batch of salt. I make my own RODI and test it. Tested new salt after mixing did not show anything obvious, besides ALK mixing up slightly lower than what I had been getting from the boxes, 6.2-6.4 vs the 6.8-7.0 on the small boxes. I am using the same Soda Ash to boost alk on fresh mixed batches. I thought maybe the Soda Ash was bad/contaminated. So I sourced and made a new batch. Tank health continued downward. I removed all the corals I was able and put them back into my coral QT. Did a 100% water change with fresh salt from German packages and within 2 days everything was opening again and coloring back up.
*** I did note an odor from the Turkey Salt Buckets that did not seem present in the German packaged salt I still had on hand.***
I attributed the downfall in coral health to something I was overlooking. Tore my hair out for many months. Then one day while on the R2R forum I was looking up something separate and by chance saw the comments and threads related to similar issues I was having. With one commonality among all of us, Turkey produced Tropic Marin Pro Reef salt.
I won't lie, I was at first enraged. Especially given the value of lost time and all the Coral, Money, and sanity lost. Eventually, that progressed to my being happy. Because I at least had something to try and look into.
(At this time I still did not know or understand that two separate factories were making salt for Tropic Marin/ Fauna Marin. Even if I did know. I likely would've thought nothing of it. I spent top dollar for "Pharma Grade" to prevent any worries on that front... So why would I think Turkey made or German made had a bearing?
I hope we can get some sound scientific or chemistry-related answers to help us all figure out how we could have tanks crashing coinciding with each other. The only known common variable being we all had recently begun using TMP salt produced and packed in Turkey.)
Soon as Id read a few threads I Immediately went to the basement and checked what stock remained and where was it made, thankfully the bulk remaining was German made and I had only ended up with 400 gallons of Turkey Salt, 2 x 200-gallon buckets. One of which had been completely used and the other a large 40% water change, six different times over a period of 12 days (every other day). Soon as I started using the older TMP German boxes I still had from the original order. The tank seemed to be better daily. Unfortunate for me. All the die-off / crash has caused an inversion of my Redfield ratio which lead to dino. I quickly managed that but then the dreaded Bryopsis bloomed. (so clearly I was not as diligent as I thought). It appears it came from an Astrea snail, or two. I clean their shells the best I can and keep them in observation before going into DT. I do not use chemicals or Hydrogen Peroxide on them because they are so fragile. I dip, QT, and observe EVERYTHING for my system. Even that was not enough.
Long story short. Accidents happen. Micro and Macro biology is something none of us see and few have a Microscope or even think to take samples and use one... At least not before the issue grows big enough to see detrimental changes. The only thing constant about Reef chemistry is that it is constantly changing. If you're unable to test for and balance the chemistry and ecology required for the life forms you have introduced... Problems will be inevitable and not an if but a when.
I have undoubtedly learned many lessons I will never forget in a short time. I waited 15 years to set up my first personal reef. Even then, especially as an amateur/hobbyist, 15 years is not enough time to learn it all and it never will be. This hobby is one that has unfortunate side effects and a 'Pay to play' aspect that cannot be excused. All the book learning, class time, and videos watched will never cover every issue that could happen in your own system. Ocean Ecology and Biology are among the most complex on our planet. We cannot expect to perfectly emulate without issue. Certainly not on our first try, or even try number five, six, and seven. It is a hobby where you're required to actively learn daily or suffer losses.
It would be so simple to say the Salt killed my tank. I can share with 100% confidence that my anecdotal evidence is nothing more than that. Anecdotal! I only wish I had sent out regular ICP test throughout the process to have a more precise look at as many variables as possible. It very well could have been the salt and maybe it had some type of accidental adulterant/contaminant added that is not commonly tested for. I like to think the salt was just the final nail in the coffin and through off an already unstable system to the point of detriment. Even though from an eye and parameters test, everything seemed perfect
The best factories on the planet are still prone to human error. I initially told myself I would never purchase another Tropic Marin product. After cooling down, becoming rational, and seeing, Lou, the CEO of TM stepped from behind his desk to speak up on the matter and look into it. Well, it renewed my faith in Tropic Marin/ Fauna Marin for having the courage to stand up and not remain quiet hoping for the issue to self-resolve or die out quietly. I doubt that any manufacturer, no matter their claims, can prove a perfect track record. The real deciding factor for me is of course quality-focused first but also customer service driven. What does the company do when a problem does arise? How did they inform their customers? Did they inform the customers? Did they recall? Did they refund? Do they even care?
Running any business is tough. Made tougher when large-scale problems occur. Problems that have been potentially distributed worldwide. Once your product is in so many different places and types of systems. The challenge becomes nearly insurmountable. Especially in a case of a potentially bad salt mix. Mostly because so many other variables do exist. From how individuals mix and store their salt to what parameters their systems are kept. Reef tanks are like snowflakes, not any two are the same. So in that sense, I get why Tropic Marin waited as long as they did before making a public statement. I can only imagine the storm they are dealing with. I hope they manage to weather the storm. Most of all, I hope they are able to offer us some type of explanation. I am not asking to get back the thousands of dollars I lost in livestock... I am asking for a real answer. So I can know what to test for or look for in the future.
I know why I found my tank for a deal. After suffering such a financial and mental battle it is easy to walk away and never go back to the hobby.
Rant over lol..
I love BRS and know they wish for our success in the hobby. I know Tropic Marin is proud of what they produce and certainly wouldn't want to harm anyone intentionally. Sometimes we need to step back and see things for what they are. So we can then move forward and continue doing what we all love.
Don't get caught up in the negative. Learn from it, move forward, and in time may your Ecology and Biology be strong!
I felt the same way you did until today 😢. I sent back a few things I did not need from my order. They make you pay $9.99 for your own shipping label and I think it was a 15% restock fee. So needless to say after that happened. I’ll stick to my mom and pop fish store
man when is the qt video coming i'm itching to get some tangs for my 120g hehe :D
Is there not a good generic coral dip for when I get frags?
I freakin love your pajamas wayne
Hi guys. Youv got me this far with your 5 minute tutorials ect and im so greatful. Im 12 weeks in and having a nightmare. I have Dinos and one of my torches has white fleas that i cant kill. Had 3 dips. Last dip was with RX and its still there. Cant find anyone that knows what it is. Any ideas?
Just bought coral dip from the lfs. The more problems I can avoid the better.
Just buy dettol
do you dip blastomussa?
Can you use a fresh plug that hasnt been cycled in your tank? I added some new sand and I also added some huge frag plug stations that hold like 3 plug and sit on sand bed. I think might have started mini cycle! I lost some frags after doing that. Do I need to add live sand when my sand bed starts getting low and is it safe to changed the plugs like just one at a time? I have some in my sumps now for that reason but I need to add more but scared of a mini cycle! I also want to add more bioblalls but scared of mini cycle so i have them soaking with some frag plugs in mb7. I have no idea how long to soak or how much mb7 to use. Please help. i have 20 plus corals come in yesterday and want to change some plugs!
wow a dip for zoas in fresh water? for how long? and how much iodine? same as saltwater instructions?
There are no directions for dipping with lugols so how much should you use as a dip? What comes on zoanthids that looks like a striped spider? I have seen them on zoas from a particular seller and when I googles xoa eating spider it dosn't look the same!. i have lost a lot of zoas but i am having an algae problem in one tank! I didnt realize I could dip the zoa in peroxide
I want a reef! 🐶😁
How to get the flat worms out of the rocks?
How can I use peroxide at 3% with a salinity that doesn't shock the corals? Can I add some salt to the 3% solution, or add 30% to some salt water, or is that just a bad idea all together?
I have used coral rx for years and on many different corals. Only thing I'm skeptical about is using it on certain sps corals, is there any certain species I should avoid using it on?
We've had good luck using Coral Rx on all coral types from softies to LPS to SPS like acros and monti's. I can't say that there is any coral that we'd avoid using Coral Rx with.
Man. I just wanna straight up say tysm. All your how to. I know it's not ideal for a beginner. But only have room for a 20. But I swallowed hard and felt my nuts go to my throat when I tested nitrate phosphate. Almost 1.5 nitrate. Almost .15-.16 phosphate. Pretty sure that ratio is the recommended ratio.
How is the tank now?
@@brettbarrett2533 it's great now. Everything is in check. Corals starting to take off
If I spot something on 3 of 10 corals, should I put all of the corals in the same QT after dipping or should I have one QT for every kind of parasite?
If all of the corals were from the same tank, it's fair to assume that even though you don't see a pest, it could be present. In this case, I would usually QT all of the 10 corals together and treat them as if they all had the pest at hand.
So for euphyllia, do you think two dips would be okay without stressing the corals out? an Antiseptic and something for Pests?
In the past, we've done back to back dips with Bayer and Coral Rx. Obviously, every coral will react a bit differently, so so do at your own risk.
@@BRStv Thanks.
18:12 can you do a quarantine tank?
20:17 cool beans.
I’m having trouble reconciling corals loving stability with fresh water and hydrogen peroxide dips. How are they able to tolerate all those shocking rapid fire changes, but not subtler changes in the tank?
Most of these dips are for a very short time period; usually just a couple of minutes. The changes in our tanks may be more subtle, but they're usually sustained over a longer period of time. Of course, some corals tolerate different dips and changes better than others.
There are no instructions on using lugols as a dip. It says its for expert aquarists only and basically for dosing iodine to tank. What would the ratio be? Say I use 2 cups of tank water, how much lugols with that? I also have medicoral. I have torchs that dont look so well and one has skeleton showing. They were recently shipped and octospawn does not ship well at all! I just had 2 shipped from 2 different people and both looked like they melted. The entire skeleton is showing. To late for them do you think? Should i use lugols or medicoral and how many days in a row? Medicorals says its safe to keep using. I used it to save a plate and a moseyela. Didn't work but I only did it 2 x's!
Does Coral RX work on Euphyllia eating flatworm ?
Coral Rx does work on flatworms. Just keep in mind that it doesn't work on eggs.
I use dettol for coral dipping as it’s exactly the same as the expensive rubbish and only cost £1 a bottle
Anapestic. Clever.
Yes. Much more effective than antiseptics. ;-)
Anapestic = A metrical foot in quantitative verse composed of two short syllables followed by one long one. Did they mean antiseptic?
Nice catch! Thanks for keeping us sharp. :)
21:08 notes about rock surfaces. Then shows QT tank with rock inside? 22:04 . this might confuse some people.
Ive noticed coral rx is harsh on some acros.
I've noticed the opposite. Standard concentration coral rx wasn't a problem with the 40 sps (mostly acros) I've done over the last year. Revive, on the other hand, almost always browned them out. Bayer also did nothing negative to them.
So is Bayer still routinely used, and if so do people use it as a single dip, or combine with coralRX (as written up by ReefBuilders)?
It's still commonly used and most often used in conjunction with another dip like Coral Rx.
The problem I have with Bauer people most likely are not disposing of the product correctly. Technically using Bayer as a coral dip is in fact a federal offense.
Use dettol
Can I add hydrogen peroxide to RODI water and get both dips done at once?
Can anyone help me here ? I followed my LFS instructions for dipping my new frags. They told me to rinse them after using freshwater but I forgot to add water conditioner :( my zoas seem to be okay and so is my candy cane but my Xenia and cyphastrea look like they are dying .. Are they goners ? They were in the tap water for like 5 seconds
How did they turn out?
Back when I had reef tanks 10+ years ago, I never even heard of coral dips. Did I just have a lame LFS or is this concept newer? I had corals die here and there, but never anything that I saw spread across my tank.
And how rough are these dips on the coral? I’m curious how they don’t damage the algae on the coral itself and how they’re so resistant to freshwater and relatively high levels of chemicals
Coral dips have been a pretty normal part of the reefing hobby for the last decade or two. While the dips absolutely help reduce the chance for pests, they don't kill everything, so a thorough visual inspection for any eggs or other critters is still a crucial part of the process when adding a new coral to your tank. Of course, having a coral QT setup helps as well.
I’ve made a lot of these mistakes. Not anymore
G'day guys how many caps of hydrogen peroxide to 1/2 a gallon
“Always wears gloves guys” next clip shows dipping without gloves. Good job guys. 👍🏻
Do as we say, not as we do 😆 In all seriousness, gloves ARE recommended
DONT dip Leptos.
Just brought home a new Jack o Lantern. Dipped at recommended dilution for recommended time, and the flesh is receding off the high parts of the skeleton.
I searched online and now see others have faced this issue as well, both with Iodine dips and H2O2 dips. Either full bleaching , or receding flesh.
Maybe a tea tree dip would be fine, but .. risky from what I’ve experienced/seen online
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Spraying the hydrogen peroxide in the tank isn't bad for the water /corals?
😂 bring flatworms into tank.
do you guys watch me wait for me to do something stupid then do a video on it? its always a day or two after i do it too and now im just like well i hope i got lucky.
6:25, "It's not going to be bad for the water." This is false, it killed my cleaner shrimp and trochus snails.
* You're :-P
if i was to drain a tank down to apply hydrogen peroxide would it kill red cyano in the same way to regular algae
most likely, however in our opinion, there are better ways to help rid a tank of cyano. Chemiclean, for example, is a great tool.
I been doing some water changes some microbactor clean and a tooth brush with trying to get it off my sand bed with a gravel vac. I didn’t want to go the super heavy chemical route I mean maybe I can try chemiclean just done want to mess up and nuke the tank
3% h2o2 ?
Or 6% or 20% ??
We most often use 3%
@@BRStv thanks, that what my dad use to kill funguses on cactus seedlings, coz when they seedlings they in wet/humid containers so it perfect for funguses and algees and stuff 😊 but 3% not hurt baby cactuses 🌵
First!
Is the hydrogen peroxide deadly for corals ?
Certain corals definitely handle hydrogen peroxide better than others. Zoanthids, for example, tend to handle hydrogen peroxide better than SPS corals do.
Not knowing what YOU’RE dipping for. Antiseptic, not anapestic.
Anapestic 🤔😂
I dip in hydrogen peroxide and I'm completely pest free in my 75 gallon