What the Holocaust teaches about evil and humanity (The Zone of Interest)
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
- Glen Scrivener reflects on the Oscar winning 2023 film 'The Zone of Interest', directed by Jonathan Glazer. What does this Holocaust film show us about humanity and the nature of evil?
Featuring clips from 'The Zone of Interest' (2023) and the following interviews:
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I feel and fear that history is repeating itself once again😢
Wow, you read that off a bumper sticker?
@@lancegoodthrust546 no, is there such a bumper sticker. Our country and the world is in a lot of trouble. The handwriting is on the wall
No it’s not a bumper sticker! It’s the wall around a concentration camp you don’t want to hear or know about! It’s called Gaza. And the future will judge all of us…so whatever you’re doing now it’s what you would’ve done then. I guess for some it’s a bumper sticker. The director of this film himself referenced Gaza in his Oscar acceptance speech but some love to live in denial just like the commandant family on the other side of the fence!
@@ubir9743well said
This was up to date & excellent ❤ Esp part of what is humanity. That God gave man (not forced) ability to decide how their inner hearts sway is so amazing to me. Humans can choose. We are not all created to be up front people to make change but every contribution we can make towards showing others the love of Jesus … counts. 🇨🇦 ❤
A deliberately grim film, but very good. The one vision of goodness, though, was the girl from the village who overnight collected apples and left them for the prisoners to eat. She is portrayed, I think, as an angel, as the light of the world in the darkness that is the zone. She is the figure of hope.
yes, that's true. It's complicating isn't it because sometimes humanity can act like 'angels' and sometimes like 'demons'. So what is humanity?
Humanty is both good and evil.
Is always been like that. Since recorded HUMAN history.
We today are no different thank past GENERATIONs.
And all good and Bad have done atrocities against each other.
No exception.
And also in 1933 Jews in New York called for a boycot against Germany. And I have always ask..
Where we're all the Wealthy Jews
At the time that they did not help Jews to get out of Germany.
It was no secret that The Nationalist Socialist wanted Jews out of Germany. Something that has happened through HUMAN history.in other places.
Where we're they ???
@@mariom2424 It took a mixed bag of individuals to save Jewish lives - Oskar Schindler, Nicholas Winton, and Chiune Sugihara. None of these saviours were Jews.
that switch to the thermal imaging (and the eerie AF soundtrack) absolutely stunned me as I had been lulled into the sort of beautiful “aged photographs” palette of the rest of the film. As a medievalist I felt like I’d been pulled inside a fairy tale, like the famous German Erlkonig by Goethe, with the full darkness of those tales as understood in the Middle Ages and the German romantics like Goethe (the bewitching world of the fae also has an extreme darkness and melancholy). What a brilliant and gorgeous film!
I visited the Red terror museum in ethiopia. The crazy thing that hit me was how reponses to evil and injustice cam lead to greater and evil and more injustice. The reality hitting me now is how much we need to work against evil in our age. It is insipid and to often let by by good people not wanting to become obnoxious too goodies. We need to win influence through good lives lived in front of others and learn to speak the truth in love.
May God help us to win many for him
When watching Succession the 'Billionaire' conversation always comes up. 'Monsters' 'Evil', 'Eat the Rich', 'I would never feel sorry for someone with all the wealth and power'... I disagree, even when difficult. Especially when it those who deny others humanity. It is how you protect your mind, morals, soul.
Today I watched a historian review Zone ( highly praised). He spoke about being cautious with the idiom 'Benigality of Evil' and deeming the Hoss family as Evil as renders humans into cartoons. It distances ourselves, we feel immune and superior.
It struck me deep when he said (as accurate as i can) "this wasnt Evil, it was CALCULATED and LOGIC".... How much horrific, heartbreaking and terrifying is this understanding. How much more accountable and vigilant does it call on us to be.
Thank you for your wonderful review. I need to find anyone to discuss this piece of art.
(The DETAILS! - the lining in the coat needed mending as valuables would be sewn into the linings and it would have been torn open at 'Kanada').
Hoess repented before his execution and returned to the Catholic church. He said:
"My conscience compels me to make the following declaration. In the solitude of my prison cell, I have come to the bitter recognition that I have sinned gravely against humanity. As Commandant of Auschwitz, I was responsible for carrying out part of the cruel plans of the 'Third Reich' for human destruction. In so doing I have inflicted terrible wounds on humanity. I caused unspeakable suffering for the Polish people in particular. I am to pay for this with my life. May the Lord God forgive one day what I have done. I ask the Polish people for forgiveness. In Polish prisons I experienced for the first time what human kindness is. Despite all that has happened I have experienced humane treatment which I could never have expected, and which has deeply shamed me. May the facts which are now coming out about the horrible crimes against humanity make the repetition of such cruel acts impossible for all time"
Well written comments. It's interesting that it was kindness, not justifiable anger and cruelty that woke him to his sins/crimes. There will be fewer more humble people in heaven than Hoess, particularly when he meets those he sent ahead prematurely.
Sadly his wish failed shortly afterward with crimes against different people that paled in some comparisons to his crime. From Cambodia to China to Africa to south America man's evil has only been creative in new forms of evil
Hoess makes no mention of Jews, not even the 430,000 from Hungary he processed in less than two months. Weak.
@@floraposteschild4184He's probably sucking up to the Poles who hold him captive and will hang him in that passage. He doesn't need to think of the Polish Jews or theHungarian Jews or mention them. He would definitely have made a distinction between the Jews and the Poles, I think.
@@floraposteschild4184 What is the lesson of the holocaust? Let us look at facts in regards to Triblinka and learn the lesson of the holocaust. In 16 months, 68 Germans with the help of 360 Jews slew over 600,000 Jews. The field had some evidence of buildings having been there. Nothing would have been known of the facts of Triblinka had not the Nazi state kept meticulous records of their accomplishments.
History records that the Nazis in trials after WWII and over the radio in South America while still free abroad after WWII stated aloud "Six (6) million was not enough." This is significant. It means the Nazis did not care about the fourteen (14) million killed in the holocaust. Why should Nazis care about slaying Poles, gypsies, and dissidents in Europe against the Nazi state? The HONOR and the GLORY of the Nazi mindset was in killing the people of Yahweh in large numbers.
The genocide currently happening in Gaza shows that everyone has the potential to inflict evil on their fellow man (women and children). And it has been this way for thousands of years.
And we are powerless to stop Israël, it's horrifying to be alive during such an event, to realise how there is nothing to be done to stop them
There is no justification to even slightly compare the happenings in Nazi Germany and in Gaza! Sorry, completely off the rails.
You can critizise of course, what happens right know in Gaza. You can call it what ever you like - but once again: YOU CAN'T COMPARE IT TO THE HOLOCAUST!
I heard some young people say “there’s nothing happening in this film, I don’t like it”. It’s literally a film on the biggest genocide in European history and they talk about plot development, as if it’s relevant in this case.😑I understand why many Germans didn’t do anything about the Holocaust, seeing how insensitive and cold blooded people are in general.
To be fair, the understanding of the film is largely reliant on one's existing understanding of the events and some things are so subtle as to require more viewings. Even in this video, there's a misunderstanding. (It wasn't the mother-in-law bringing in the washing as stated around 4:55 but a woman in town quite a distance away. Understanding that adds to the mother-in-law's response in highlighting the significance of what was being overlooked in the commandant's household.) The film doesn't do a lot of work in terms of delivering meaning to the audience so, if you're limited in knowledge, I can see how a lot of it would feel...uneventful. For my part, despite my interest in the Holocaust and WWII, I didn't know the significance of the mention of Kanada/Canada upon initially viewing the women chatting in the kitchen. It was only after a google session that I fully understood that scene. It doesn't detract from your point... People can be insensitive but I think it's important to note how information and context helps.
@@thenellierose thank you for the interesting points made, I didn’t notice the detail about the woman bringing the washing. I really admire this director’s work and I think this is truly how his intentions were, he doesn’t care about educating the public about the holocaust and I admire the courage. For sure, if I didn’t know anything about the Holocaust or very little ( I read over 15 books on the subject) I wouldn’t understand many things probably and it would feel like a boring movie.
But I firmly believe art is free and is not subjected to “educational” purposes or propaganda.
Another highly controversial film which people usually find extremely bad is those made by Pasolini, Kubrick, Hitchcock ecc… I think people are very confused and judge film or art in a subjective way, and the error consists in believing that judgement is objectively correct.
That’s why on a final note, I think this film is a very good one, but not for everyone or people who think cinema must be mainly a form of entertainment.
@@thenellieroseI am glad I immediately understood that the clothes were stolen, and since I knew about Kanada I understood right away, how awful these women are.
I was lucky enough to met two camp survivor in highschool so I remember well.
@@kawaibakaneko Yes, exactly. Even though I was able to understand the meaning of the discussion, and the specific reference via context, not recognizing the name of the storage facility made the conversation a little less fluid. I believe it was a "joke" that fell a bit flat, which says a lot about the characters... I imagine someone who had even less background would find the whole thing uninteresting.
Wonderful and thoughtful commentary. Thank you.
Like you, I visited Auschwitz in the ‘70s and was irrevocably changed. Perfect film during Lent.
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16) The Zone of Interest (2023) is not on my top 360 favorite movies, but it was a fascinating look at people living their lives and raising their kids near the most famous death camp and concentration camp: the death camp called Bergen-Belsen & the general concentration camp of Auschwitz.
You could believe the trailer that is is just about wanting the best for your kids. How do you like that spin? Listen to the director compare Jews living near Gaza Strip to Rudolf Höss while accepting awards for his movie and you wonder if his mother had her genitals burned by Palestinians while a corpse, his baby brother's head cut off, or his younger sister raped in the back seat of a car as Palestinians drive her to Gaza Strip for nights of fun (at least more than a month), if he'd change his mind.
I think I must see "The Grey Zone" next.
You missed something really important: God was there in the little girl leaving apples for the camp prisoners, doing her best to lessen the suffering.
And where was God when all those people were killed?????
The little girl did it herself, but God takes the credit? Would He also have taken credit if she were caught and executed?
That was not God, that was the little girl, you said It yourself.
God has given humans dominion over tha earth. What happens is what humans direct. @@sandromartelli
Absolutely incredible analysis. Greetings from Athens, Greece.
Greetings from Georgia, USA.
❤
This was very powerful and shaking all complacency. In the world the bond between divinity and humanity is the most crucial question. The cornerstone is not technology, progress, evolution, human rights and their inevitable abuse - the cornerstone was and remains to be Jesus, our Lord.
Is there a wall in this commentary? A wall against mentioning the Zone of Interest happening right now? Not safely in the past. Are we watering our flowers of theory while children and adults are deliberately being denied water and food? Right now children and adults are playing and singing on one side of a wall preventing food and medical supplies getting to a desperate population on the other side. Have we not built walls of lies for decades to shield the ugly truth? Walls of justification, walls that today force those behind them to rebel and turn to violence - as in the Warsaw ghetto in the past. Walls invite violence as well as hide it.
Thanks, Glen. Nothing more to say.
"The Zone of Interest" fits seamlessly into a list that includes films like "Schindler's List" and "Shoa", although the perspective is different!
Hannah Arendt said something to the effect that genocide is possible in any society where people believe they have a god-given right to obey. In other words, humanity cannot be imposed top down though laws, policies or social media- it can only survive through us and the things we do.
The Zone of Interest is a mesmerising film. Our thanks and admiration to Jonathan Glazer. Not only great cinema but such a relevant historical document. You can never stop thinking of how closely we resemble the characters in the film, comfortably watching a movie while we refuse to be distracted by the cacophony of horror next door.
This film has a very strong vegan message. The hallmarks of the atrocities we commit against our fellow animals are everywhere. Our society is steeped in violence. We eat it. We wear it. We use it for "entertainment." It is our "solution" to problems that are, more often than not, of our own making. So why are we surprised when that violence bubbles up and boils over? Choose non-violence. Live vegan.
Very powerful film, and definitely a film I will watch again, too complex to understand it all first time, especially after an analysis like you have given.
What are we like? ...Gaza.
It is hubris to think that we are above the evil of this period. It's so easy to say "not me" I would never be involved with this. So naive. Every one is capable of evil beyond belief if the situation is right.
Definitely true.
I said that, then remembered how I buckled to peer pressure as a young person, and the time I was cruel to a girl in school.
Somehow 'logic' seems to tell me "Only people who are involved, are even able to make things better". I won't ever suggest to get involved in evil but for example if Putin would stop being the president of Russia, then a probably worse man would replace him. So I might have to appreciate his job and maybe even ask myself if I even know for sure about anything he is doing wrong... is he even sinning? For sure, but do I know in what way he is sinning or not sinning? Can I even see it?
@@TheSaltydog07I was somewhat cruel to a Philippine neighbor in my childhood, but years ago, I apologized to him on Facebook, comparing my past behavior with "like nazi". My younger brother was his friend tho later, somehow.
Anyways, I mean I am pretty unable to do evil, no matter how the situation is, nowadays, because I went through so much emotions leading to true repentance and forgiveness, (and I still will continue this way) that my will transformed already pretty much into the will to love (self-love and love if others - according to Jesus, which is AJ Miller to me)
But not doing evil might not prevent me from doing damage, out of "not knowing" - but isn't that the same like evil? I'm (still) confused, but on a high(er) level. #wtf
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I’ve also wondered if we are a bit like the dog in the film as the viewer - the dog wanders into each scene trying to figure it out, and the dog looks to the actors for a sign of…anything…yet almost never gets it. I thought it was another fascinating detail in this film.
The use of fairy tale imagery in this film is also brilliant - Hedwig finding the red lipstick left in the fur coat by its prior owner, a woman of class and distinction now lost to the death factory of Auschwitz, and Hedwig sampling the red lipstick like some forbidden fruit…that she then tries to wipe away as she stares at her mirror image…Hoss’s quite creepy interaction with the “forbidden fruit” of the young girl brought to him for a brief s*xual transaction…again he tries to wash it away, literally…then of course the stunning use of the thermal imagery with the young girl (based on a real person) leaving “forbidden fruit” (apples again with the powerful associated symbolism) for the persons starving and suffering - she is a glowing angel in a nightmare of darkness.
Hello Pastor Glen! I hope is well with you and your family. Point well made on the two sentences you mentioned as you visited Auschwitz memorial because this beckons on how I can see myself with the crowd yelling to having Christ crucified. We are all fallen yet God's plan was our lifeline and only through grace alone. God bless you sir.
Ironic that Netanyahu has turned us all into the people in that house today.
God currently buries under a pile of rubble in Gaza.
What an incredible video essay. Thank you for this
I remember one of the moments that brought me back to faith being my history lecturer, during a lecture about Louis XIV and the Spanish conquest of South America, saying the Enlightenment necessarily led to Communism and Nazism. Not that Christians should be apologetic or that Christianity is just a bulwark against Communism and/or Nazism. Thank you, though, (as ever and as well) for sharing.
To clarify: I mean Christians do not have to apologise for being Christian, but do have to apologise and repent for evil he committed (Ezekiel 18:20).
Is there a wall in this commentary? A wall against mentioning the Zone of Interest happening right now? Not safely in the past. Are we watering our flowers of theory while children and adults are deliberately being denied water and food? Right now children and adults are playing and singing on one side of a wall preventing food and medical supplies getting to a desperate population on the other side. Have we not built walls of lies for decades to shield the ugly truth? Walls of justification, walls that today force those behind them to rebel and turn to violence - as in the Warsaw ghetto in the past. Walls invite violence as well as hide it.
This is happening now! Can't you see?
I'm pretty sure everyone listening understands. We are all culpable to one degree or another.
Your interpretation is spellbinding!
The way I interpret the modern day Auschwitz scenes - with how we see all the shoes, the clothes, safely locked away behind pristine clean glass - as something that we, people nowadays, cannot fully comprehend and distance ourselves from, just like Hoss family was able to distance themselves in the present day. It's easier to look at it, behind that glass, and say wow, it's the horror of the past but WE, we are better, we moved on! While unspeakable atrocities happen even today and we don't try to do anything about it. It's easy to imagine if Auschwitz horrors happened now we for sure would be like that little girl with apples, that's obviously the right thing - but the reality is that most of us are comfortable living not acknowledging the horrors on our doorstep. While I don't know how correct my interpretation is as compared to Jonathan Glazer's intention, for me, the way these scenes and my own realization made me feel, is unlike any other movie experience I've ever had.
There are people whose quest in life, is to bring comfort to the afflicted , and to afflict the comfortable,
We have an icon of Fr Maximillian Kolbe in our Anglican parish (ACNA). Powerful story and example for all.
This gave me a crying jag. My father, who did not go to church, told his children, "Do not judge a man until you've walked in his shoes." Doesn't this say it all?
I hope people share this video.
Another great program. Thank you.
Zone of Interest's Barbie house is located in so many border zones. Presumably Klaus lived in a Barbie house...
...those brought up in Barbie Houses do indeed wake up and wonder what uniformity their childhood days were spent in. I was brought up speaking English in the ruins of the Empires/Genocides of the Gaels. Everyone speaking and teaching English in the Gaeltacht was/is a "baddie". AN BHFUIL CEAD AGAM, DUL GO DTÍ AN LEITHREAS?
In my parents' bespoke SnoPecked home my parents became tearful along with Ascent of Man's Jacob Bronowski - my maths-struggling mum's uni-maths tutor - as Parkinson on his talk show questioned Bronowski's parallel part to Oppenheimer/Einstein in the death blow project to the very Japanese Empire my father fought against on the far Eastern borders of the British Empire... and what sort of mess is Myanmar still in?
Jesus wept as Billy Graham addicts in uniform, B-Specials or RUC, brutalised and beat and cynically Gerrymandered... Jesus weeps now about "Christians" & their churches.
Fantastic film.
I’m not religious. But this is a great video.
If there is a God, why didn't he intervene? If God is all knowing, why didn't he stop these atrocities from happening in the first place?
Faith is a dangerous thing.
It certainly can be.
Crimes against humanity isn’t a step down or away from crimes against god, they are an agreeable vocabulary that embraces ALL faiths, including ones that believe in multiple gods, one god and no god. Atheism is also a faith.
God isn’t dead when people take him out of human law, god is dead when commandments of faith are broken is his name.
That was deep.
Love this interpretation. I’m a Christian myself and when I watched it with my Mother in the theater and she just asked, “how could those people do that?” As for me, there are many aspects of this film that do align with it. In the Bible, the flowers are beautiful and light full, but also represent the fall of man. This interpretation shows what the best part of the film is and why it is so genius, how things are shown, what is shown and what is not shown.
It could be ANY of us I'm afraid 😢....but if you look at his character in the movie he's not a monster ....he's very nice to his kids and his wife never raises his voice not what e could call a monster ....
..of course somwhere else you have to be a monster in order to do what he did ...but I think he feels that's just his job ! Which makes it even more monstrous!! Great movie though!... hanting and chilling...you have to watch something cute and fun afterwards 😮
Movie “The boy in the striped pyjamas” is memorable as well.
Oh, I must disagree on one point. That being Hoëss retching and having some kind of self eval. Nonsense. He held to his Nazi beliefs almost up to his execution, making excuses, the world not understanding. His retching is because the camp was making him physically ill because it would breathing all of that, hearing/not hearing that banging drum of evil, lack of sleep, stress to advance professionally. That night he was at the party and was noticing he couldn’t gas the whole group of humans because the ceiling was too high, ferinstance. He finally apologized right at the end of his life because most people do. He’s lucky he had the chance to do that, if it was genuine at all.
I saw this movie many months ago and I still think about it from time to time, it has nothing to do with it, but it kinda reminds of the movie KIDS by larry clark, which is similarly realistic and it looks like you saw real people and wonder what's happening to them or what happened to them
i really enjoyed your video on this new movie you have alot of intelligent thoughts on the holocaust. the zone of interest is gonna be an important film of the year maybe even decade.
They should make movie with a contrast of this nature of how Palestinians live under Israeli occupation vs how Israelis in Israel proper. The irony of this movie.
The prosthelytizing was very out of left field. Shoehorned even.
Once again, the insistence of GOD gives justification for all things. Western civilization won't look at other concepts.
We are all accountable
I visited it . And felty like I was paying to see murder, I also didn’t go into the gas chamber’s as a mark of respect. I did ask my self what would I have done. I did get an answer. But I am not going to call it out. Call yourself out .
What is humanity?
They tell us there is no God and when people start living like there is no God with murder, theft, and lies. They ask, "Where is God?" Jesus stands at the door of every man's heart knocking, but he will not break down the door.
Their is no excusable ignorance with God
There is no god. The horror of gods are all man made.
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If only they'd make a movie about the thinking, machinations, psychology and science that resulted in the holocausts caused by communists.
Lithium mines.
Obviously there is no supreme being!
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Consider that at time of release - a motion picture nominated for best picture - on awards night - a room full of people wearing anti-Semitic pins on their suits - them being the righteous ones?
anti Semitic pins? The people of Gaza are genetically Semites! How about the Director’s Oscar acceptance speech. He was saying that we are witnessing a zone of interest now… in Gaza.
And you didn't hear Glazer, the writer of the screen play and the director of the film, tell us the lesson we should draw from this film? The film is a metaphor, right? it's not really a Holocust film.
Calling for a ceasefire in military action against a captive population is not antisemitic. Stop abusing that word, please.
Obviously you can't hear the screams. Go ahead and plant your garden.
Why don't you talk about the Palestinians? Scared? Or hypocrite?
This is a VERY bad movie. Höss and his wife got it on the ground floor--1923--and steadily worked their way up the hierarchy to become master mass murderers. While most people aren't heroic defiers of evil, they aren't instigators of it either. Herr and Frau Höss weren't duped or in denial; they relished the power, prestige, and plunder their evil brought them. They simply didn't care who or how many they hurt--they were perfectly willing to any atrocity just to get ahead. They weren't normal in any way; they were criminals from the get-go. Granting the Höss's an unwarranted humanity obscures the truth that there are plenty of monsters willing to do the same, but more able to oppose them--if they have the courage.
U take it too far with the IM sorry part.
You're relying on Tom Holland's writing to assert that modern values have originated with Christianity, and, much as I like both the man and the book, I don't believe he's done anywhere near enough work to come to that conclusion. TH has specialised in explaining the Greeks and Romans, and, sure, by comparison to them pre-Christian, Christ's teachings were a vast improvement. He pays no attention, though, to the fact that the Romans were probably suffering ən masse with lead poisoning from their ingenious, but, well, lead plumbing. Were they all insane because of it? Neither does he pay much attention to the far older traditions of Taoism, Confucianism, Buddhism, many Indian religions and North American spiritual beliefs, all of which are big on social virtues every bit equal to Christ's words. Neither does he mention the complex behaviours of many animal species that bare at least a passing resemblance to a value system, involving communication, cooperation and reciprocal benevolence. There is much, much, much to do before you can claim that the values we hold today are not intrinsic to humanity and came, instead, directly from Christianity
Trump: "BUILD THAT WALL!"
"Could you be him?"
Yes, of course I could.
What a stupid question.
I however conciously choose not to be him because I have a mind of my own, my own morality, and I am capable of making my own decissions.
Something that too many people are uncapable of nowadays and life just happens to them.
Today we are no different than humans before.
We Humans are both capable of good and evil. No exception.
I always ask since l learned about ww2.
Where were all the wealthy Jews at the time to help the fellow Jews out of Germany.
This is something that has happened to them throughout human history.
The Jews in new york in 1933 called for a boycot of Germany at the time. Way before the war started.
The ship st elias full of Jews sent out away. Was rejected from other countries including the rejection of Roosevelt here in our U S A.
Jews have always had power with banking realty the Diamond industry industry.
Where were they in 1933 to 1939
Before the war startde.
It was no secret that the National Socialist wanted Jews out of Germany.
Someone wrote.
No matter what material things change around us . Our clothing.
THE EMOTIONS OF HUMANS WILL ALWAYS BE THE SAME.