N'zoth Tried to Warn Us
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2024
- Every source we have in World of Warcraft paint the Old Gods as the enemy, however WoW The War Within seems to open a lot more information to us about the Titans and the Old Gods and specifically Xal'atath and her role within the story of WoW TWW
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Funny that the Red Star wasn't included in the Khaz Algar skybox.
That was one of the first things I noticed😅
huh, that is interesting
So far away to not be visible?
He's got a point, should be visible considering the placement of the sword isn't far from the island. That zone has star soooo
wait WHAAAAAT. thats huge.
“A Dark Heart left broken awaits the taking.”
I’m sooo glad someone finally commented on this! I have been thinking this same thing. Look at the advertisement, it’s a split screen half Alleria and half Xalatath!
Maybe a soul split in two because a big a$$ space sword? And we gotta Gorrilla Glue it?
@@novatermooo thats some inception inceptious right there! It could work!
I'm beginning to think Xal'athath is much more than just The Harbinger and a void naaru. I think she is the First One of the void.
I think those runes on her face are domination magic. I think The Primus and the old gods collaborated to put her in the blade.
That isn’t her body. Anything on it was put there by her after she claimed it as her new vessel.
Personally I think she is the twisted remnants of the Lord of Spirit. When Azeroth was young, the world soul consumed all spirit magic, leaving just the elemental lords of fire, water, air, and earth.
I feel like this spirit lord made a deal with the void. She helps them get the world soul, they help her get her realm and power back
@@mattphoenix4702Xal'atath has refered to the old gods as her brethren. I'm fairly sure Xal'atath is the 5th and strongest old god, and she is using the other old gods for her agenda. She isn't an enemy to the old gods, her brethren, but they has little empathy for eachothers, so her using their downfall for her own agenda is nothing surprising.
Only halfway through the video and my god you are cooking bro. It makes so much sense.
I love how Accoloyn comments how he will not let go or forget the whispers…. Sounds like he maybe corrupted by the void!!! 😂
“The fall of night” the night of beledar “reveals her true face” shows her true plan. Drinking up power and feeding the black blood.
The Journal of Ogmot the Mad also describes "drowning" and he mentions the blade (Xal'atath)
havent followed much WoW content since 9.1. youre looking good man!
@@andrewpaul8732 thank you very much mate.
Zovaal definitely was trying to create his own reality to stop Xal'atath. He saw what she was doing and what is to come. Xal'atath wants the world soul, Zovaal tried to take it before her.
Zovaal end was shoehorned in. Blizz had no idea what they were doing then.
@@StraussWyldeTT A chain of 4 manipulators doesn't suddenly become bad plot when you find there was a 5th(& 6th because the Primus jailed Zovaal). It was already bad if it is bad or is the same/better for adding Zovaal + Primus.
Man if Illidan comes back with a cleansed Sergaras and Serg says yo we need to get Zov back in the game for the big showdown I would be sooo hyped!
Great speculation. I always thought that the Old Gods were a fusion of elements of our cosmology. Just wasn't ever sure as to which of them were elements of what. It makes sense to me that each of them represent decay and were influenced by the void. Makes me wonder if there was further influence from the elements, like N'zoth and the fact that his head is made of lava (fire). C'thun gave birth to many winged enemies (air) we fought in Silithus and is located near the Throne of the Four Winds. It's all so very interesting - easily my favorite part of the lore is Old God/Void related stuff.
My thoughts on the cosmologicall forces has always been that all other forces derived from Light and Void. They are just different parts of the whole. Light birthed Life, the creation of all things living, and Light also birthed Fel, an uncontrollable flame that burns everything away. And Void then birthed Death, as both share the quality of a never ending hunger and Void then created Order as true order is being. de-void of personality or identity. Order in itself is a paradox, as it wants everything to be alive and balanced but wants nothing to have free will. So you could say that Order wants everything, and nothing at the same time. It wants control over everything but if something is controlled, it doesn't exist for itself therefore, it is nothing. Knda void-y if you ask me.
So with this, I think when the Titan say that the old gods are parts of the void, but are exhibiting Death and Decay qualities, the Titan are still right, as Decay and Death are in a way a part of Void. What they don't tell us is that they are too.
@@jakubcislak9246 I like your description of order and the problem with it. That's the vibe I've been getting for a long time. Yes it's ordered, but being ordered essentially means being non existent.
One example that i think supports the old gods being decay. Notice how the Emerald Nightmare is not a realm of "madness" but decay. Yogg Saron also claims to be the God of Death which Decay somewhat represents.
Did you see the Arathi understanding of the cosmic forces? They believe forces overlap and create new forces. Goes together with what you’re thinking :)
@@queenpersephone9685 havent just now started tww cant wait
@@luja5546 It’s so interesting! Gives a new meaning to some of these magics we come across that seem to be multiple forces in one! To me it seems the Old Gods could be a combo of life and death, tainted by the void.
@justinb7494 If I was an immortal mound of flesh that could constantly feel myself rotting away Id be a bit mad too.
@justinb7494 I know, was trying to be funny 😐
So there’s a search and find achievement starting in a hidden cave under the City of Threads. There’s an Eye of N’Zoth in there. It was creepy to me at the time, but now having watched this video I can see a potential link. I’ve been getting the same thoughts regarding the link between Xal & Alleria.
30:37 I think the child of light and shadow is Calia menethil, as Anduin Wrynn and Alonsus Faol ressurected her, Anduin is Light and Faol is Shadow.
Yo Bro, that weird ass theory at the end gave u a new subscriber, i love that kind of conspiracy, love from Poland. Good job.
This man is cooking a whole extension and narrative arc
I personally think that whisper pertains to Azeroth.
She is not the last titan but the first. ( blizz have now started calling her a "Prime"worldsoul.)
She was and is a first one.
She created moon elune and sun anshe (also blue moon). She created eternal ones. hence why the winter queen calls elune sister.
When they say drown her. Do they perhaps intend to unleash the hallowfall undersea or the rivers of black blood on her?
Or is it drown her in all these elements and drive her mad.
I don't even play wow that much but I still like watching your videos lol I love lore and lore discussions
Dude , it's like we talked about this. My wallpaper on my phone is the split Pic of alleria and xalatath. And I started thinking about the infinite times and universes and I was thinking that what if they are the same entity, Person , being whatever. And fact that xala is just been fucking with alleria for some reason and keeping her hanging around. I'm all for this theory
To the last point it would be crazy if Xalatath is actually from the alternate azeroth from alternate draenor. Then Yrel comes out that portal chasing her down too.
"the fall of night reveals her true face." Like at the end of the campaign when alleria damages the dark heart and we hear xal get angry for the first time ever?
I think Xal’Atath was helping the light in the end campaign cinematic.
She was draining the void energy from Beledar. Why would she not drain the light energy from it? Draining the void power can reasonably be expected to help the light.
There are FAR easier ways to go about doing that then the plan Xal’Atath has set in motion.
In fact, if you played shadow priest during Legion, you used the Black Blade to do this exact thing to the void god in Netherlight Temple. Xal’Atath consumes the void energy from the void god and it returns to being a Naaru.
It’s an interesting theory, but it doesn’t really fit what is happening
As much as I don’t like to remember Shadowlands, I think the arrow finding its mark whisper already happened. The end of the Sanctum of Domination raid.
I've always thought that the Emerald Nightmare was a combination of the Dream's natural Life Energy, but instead of using Spirit like Druidism, using Decay... IF the Old Gods Are Decay that makes Soooo much more sense
Hey decay could be , i mean human were stone and they now flesh that decay
All someone had to do was give Xal' some comfy shoes and none of us would be here.
'the end of all things, all possiblities' Yes the True timeline, FOR AZEROTH!! she's never going to be evil
I agree with you on the decay part. Void corrupted decaying trees, bro.
The Titans lied about a LOT.
"holy will have it on screen don't worry about it" underappreciated editor exploitation! xD
I think the arrow find its mark is about this - and it’s because now that we have khadgar back, we trust him. So now he can turn the key.
Medivh trusted him first.
And I think the enemy of old is order. And I think your quote is right, but the important part is “ends all possibilities”. The void operate in a range of potential future, maybe an infinite number of possible futures or maybe a finite based on major actions. But l order wants one time line - it’s like the sacred time line from marvel.
bacon, unlimited bacon, but no power? Or power, unlimited power, but no power.
not sure about timey wimey xal'atath / valeeria thing but arathor being the child of shadow and light. we used to associate that with anduin.another could fit that as well being Dagran. he is a child of the dark dwarves and the ironforge. his grandfather was the speaker for azeroth.
light made a deal with the enemy of all. if that enemy is the void. who made a deal with the void. xal'atath. if she ends up being a na'ru than that whisper holds up.
The bargain could simply be the light and Void returning things back to it just being those two. A temporary team up until it's just them.
That whisper was specific to Shadowlands, I dont know where did you connect Void with Shadowlands.
@@philosophicalthirstworms6645 i dont think that can ever be the case, there is no temporary teamup between light and void in WC universe, they are opposites for a reason on cosmological chart, to make balance, as demons are enemy to both Void and Light. Its like triangle, they all fight each other.
And only allies of Light are actually Titans, and Titans have allied through light with someone from Pantheon of Death a.k.a Eternals from Shadowlands a.k.a "Enemy of All".
@@UncrownedKingDante buddy, all the opposites on the cosmic chart are actually the same thing. Consider the fact that fel is deeply attracted to arcane (well of eternity) and the the greatest titan of all turned fel, consider that all powerful light beings we know regularly flip from light to void and vice verse, and consider how life and death are deeply interwoven together in ardenweald.
The 'opposites' are actually the most deeply connected forces on the chart.
@@philosophicalthirstworms6645 well yeah Naaru turn from Void to Light, and vice versa all the time through their cycles, you got me there. But I dont think we ever got confirmed of anything like in the matter of Voidlords and their force of the Void working with Army of the Light.
Like we dont know of any event light and void have officialy worked together.
And I dont think Sargeras embracing Fel has nothing to do with what I stated.
Point is as I said previously, that whisper was singulary hinting something going on in Shadowlands and "behind the curtains" , and void was never mentioned whole expac nor it had anything to do with it.
If the Old Gods required Void-boosting and then subdued and imprisoned Xal - then she is NO cosmic threat at the level that is being implied. IF she were the FIRST, by no means would the Old Gods you have presented, been able to handle her as they did. Xal is a harbinger - NOT the main tale of woe itself. Edit: We have NOT seen her power levels... at least none without the Dark Heart. Gotta keep stuff in proper perspective.
While that is true, the void's power lies in it's ability to corrupt power, rather than wield power itself. The void finds it difficult to maintain it's presence in the realm of reality. So it doesn't bother me so much that Xal'atath is herself weaker than the old gods, but her strength lies in her ability to corrupt them. It doesn't really bother her than she is imprisoned because she knows she will get out eventually to carry on with her mission.
@@Xerus35 I respect the stance, but I simply don't believe its merit when you factor in that knifu didn't go down willingly and which big bad is going to get this masterful play possibility? We already attribute this strategy to N'zoth, so was it his masterstroke play or did he learn it from Xal-a-Pal after she utilized it for herself? Remember, we're all fans of channels that have discords and legions flocking to churn out every over-thought out possibility merely for an excuse to put out their 10th video of the week consistently. Blizzard is many things, great & small, good & bad - but they've NEVER been this deep as what a couple react/lore channels need them to be. Not a slam against said channels (I'm a fan), but sometimes its painfully obvious we're working a bit too hard with the grey matter here.
@@Godwin420 Sorry I think I misread your first comment. I agree, I think she is a harbinger, and is not working for herself. I don't think she wanted to be prisoner, what I meant was that she appears to be eternal, so being prisoner is just an inconvenience to her.
I still think whisper 'she is not the last but the first' could still be about Xal'atath however. I never thought it fit Azeroth as some channels claim. I also don't think the 'first' is referring to a first one, I think it might have another meaning is my gut feeling. I think we won't encounter the first ones until after the last titan expansion.
My cook is that we drown Xal'atath in the black blood. Or whoever the whisper refers to if not Xal. I think the black blood is the key to that whisper.
I also agree with your latter comment on Blizzard story writing.
My one point againt the Calia Menethil thing is the mobs in the Evergrowth or whatever in Draenor, specificially the orcs and rock dudes that are infected/rezzed by the spores. Shows a force other than death taking over/rezzing ppl. Could argue thats just a form of decay though as its just a flip side of spirit/life.
Wondering if the enemy of all is Sargeras, and the Emperor of Light of the Arathi hears the voice of Sargeras as some light being, just like Medivh/Kiljaeden did to the orcs, tricking them as their ancestors/gods in their dreams and visions. Ret Paladins have a point in their tree called Burning Crusade. Sargeras burns with a light that comes from himself, like Faerin. K I'm done.
Also great theory on Old Gods being of Decay and not the Void.
I gotta admit from cosmological point of view it perfectly makes sense. If galakrond got infected by drinking from pool infected with Yog'saron's essence and became a leviathan of Decay, logically makes Yog'saron a decay being. And also you bought me on fact that she MIGHT have offered them a choice, granted them the power of the Void.
And it might have been we have been sold a story by the Titans that Old Gods are these monstrous pure void beings, or maybe they didnt knew it themselves.
Even tho we dont know and we just assume on this what Xalatath actually IS, she told us here brethren have betrayed here at the beginning times of the Black empire back in the day.
Now we know for a FACT, that Dagger she was imprisoned/imbuded within, was first found and claimed around the time she disappeared.
We can only assume but gotta admit, great speculation man!✌✌
interesting that N'zoth showed us in his Visions the showdown of Aleria vs Arator If Arator only exists in our timeline would that have been a future event in Stormwind? Will Umbric follow into the whispers too then. Lot of consequence that might have
Great videos as always, love your content!
Not related however, a thought that has come to mind multiple times. Isn't the planet that Sargeras cleaves unnamed? And if so, what if that were Ka'resh (planet of the Ethereals right?) I think that could be a nice twist in the story. Regardless... random thought and keep up the amazing work!
I just realized that the old gods used bugs, which is more part of death than the void, while the void is more fish like
I’m onboard with this theory though I get shut down whenever I mention “timelines” and the one linking factor is that K’aresh (alternate Azeroth) sang the radiant song. Also they to on K’aresh were tricked into opening a portal to the shadowlands in order to have enough power to summon dimensious. Though the information we have on K’aresh doesn’t go into too much detail there are direct corelations between K’aresh and Azeroth. I speculate that all other timelines have played out and void won every single time. Our timeline is the last remaining timeline, the last titan, the eve of midnight before the darkness swallows all. Will Alleria break the cycle or be the last nail in the coffin.
Is it possible that the 3rd death whisper is talking about Azshara? Imagine she comes back, we kill her, and Xala'tath is finally able to summon the Void Lords.
More thoughts, I don't think it is still the leading theory but if she is trying to get essences of each of the old gods I don't think she has N'Zoth yet. So if she can consume Aszhara then she could get it.
@@danielmckone6476I think it's Azshara
We drowned ourselves at the circle of stars when we fought Azshara and we gave her a second death when we killed her in the raid Acco
Just re read Ogmot’s dream journal and it has quite a few references to xal’atath in my opinion
I find this theory very compelling about Aleria being Xal but there is no way they are going to let that transpire or someone will stop it at the last moment, namely Sylvanas. Also as a side note the decay we see here is very reminiscent of scarlet rot from ER. The place where we fight the Bloodbound Horror in the raid also has the putrid decay vibe going strong.
i enjoyed listen to your theories. :)
Crazy thought... What if.. Xal is a Harbinger of herself.. her true form.
Would be Yrel's timeline then, I guess? Where the Army of Light is incredibly Powerful and on a Crusade against everything non-Light?
This could be why Turalyon is so against the Void in their Timeline.
Ghuun was an experiment that turned him into an old god, he wasn't like that originally
I never said he was like that Originally.
I just wonder why Xal'atath spent so much time and effort collecting essences in the heart, only to be blown up by Alleria, and then simply say 'Okay, no matter, let's move on to something different.'
Acco this is LivingLife. I think Azaroth is spirit. No, she did not consume them, but she is their leader/elemental lord/titan/enternal ones/ you get the point. I like how she uses titain creations to unlock her freedom. Spirit(mind) allows one to have freedom to choose. That is why she was locked away, i think. Or did she do what the other forces of reality do? Fake their death and slowly grow to power? I find it funny that many of us fight back, and many of us give into another power. If any of the forces wins, then the world of warcraft ends.
Actually my theory is Azeroth is both Light and Void the original first forces, which is why there is no spirit or decay. She replaced them because those two elements are born from light and void. Look at Belledar(which is what the Arathi call it), but what is Belledar? I think it is Azeroths core Aka her essence/soul. Remember Chronicle states that when the WoW big bang happened shards of light seeded worlds creating elements, life cet ect. Some also became world souls according to the Titans. But what if this light crystal became something different not a Titan but something beyond a Titan.
There is also speculation about the Tauren mythos, that Mu'sha the blue child that the Earth Mother Aka Azeroth made is Elune. If Azeroth is Belledar and an original piece of the Light that was before everything. Then it stands to reason she can cycle between void and light especially if she is weakened. This would also explain why Elune has light and dark side if she is Azeroths daughter.
I know Balnazzar is permanently dead and everything but i like to imagine him as the butler of Xal'athat just like Varimathras to Sylvanas
Curse of flesh can also be considered a decay curse
What if Old Gods are creatures of decay, and Xal'atath is the actual emissary from the void, sent by the void lords that landed on Azeroth and she (it?) made a deal with and/or allied with the Old Gods?
bro @ 20:30 i thought that she took dal’s power/ form and it exists in the void like your theory about the demons and worlds to the twisting nether. i mean she was absorbing that arcane font when kadgar walked in and she said she’d put it’s power to better use
Khadgar literally explains that he survived the dark heart by transmuting himself into pure arcane
maybe we will get a avengers endgame scene and see all timelines coming out of portals, like garrosh, varian etc. to help us in the final battle when everything on azeroth is almost consumed by the void
Wow Accolonn has updated the mic! I tried listening to him back in BfA, but Pyromancer was just so much clearer. Have Accolonn and Pyromancer discussed one another's theories?
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interesting @ 17:30, i bought deneuser’s explanation about calia because in pnp dnd, priest healing was in the school of necromancy, and a heal could be reversed to be a harm, but mages could only use necromancy for harm/ self healing and raising undead, but that was a different world than azeroth obviously and doesn’t necessarily correlate
I don’t think I heard you talk about this one. But the whisper “lord of ravens will turn the key”. I think xal did something to lour boy Khadgar and she is going to mind control him to open the portal that the void uses. Of course I think this will be on k’aresh- as I think that all of Xals work is actually to turn the tides on the stalemate on k’aresh. So we are going to go there for the last raid of the story, thinking we are supporting the good side and when we get to the end, robo-khadgar will do something that allows the void to take k’aresh - which creates the first “void-Titan” in reality and that allows them to attack Azeroth
Why did we break the Dark Heart, and only Khadgar came out?
Where’s the rest of Dalaran?
It be crazy if the void it’s not the villain but the savior
Wow, that one video was WILD! I really love all those speculations and they make much sense to me.
I am learning methaphysics IRL, so I can't help but see through the Lore of World of Warcraft a lot of hints, to what we are going through on Earth at the moment. THAT is a discussion I would love to have one day. Truth hide everywhere. Even in tales, fantasy and "modern mythologies"
I brez someone the other day and it said "Void-Touched" I thought that was different before. I think the void maybe the real realms of death and order has found a way to re route the souls from going to the void and send it to the "Shadowlands". Seems like a closed circuit system zeroth is..
I was thinking they are the same person too.
I think Xal'athath is a let's use the term sister of Azeroth.
Like we all already know, there is a constant batle between light and i belive that Xal'Athath is the void side of Azeroth.
I like your theory, I hope you're right.
Now, when we talk about Shadowlands and "Light has struck a bargain with enemy of all" and "Vassal of life disguises treachery, beware the eyes of green".
In my eyes there is STILL no one else compatible to fulfill these whispers then more then Primus. I know some people might disagree with it, but with everything else i've heard and speculation on those whispers just dont fit the puzzles as much as they should have.
Now hear me out.
OBVIOUSLY from what we have seen, the only implementation of Light in Shadowlands was very first sequence when entering the maw and Anduin using light , and Primus using First Ones magic to craft the Crown of "Wills" which is obviously Light imbuded crown with Green maldraxian gems. WHAT BECOMES EVEN weirder is that when Pelagos was crowned , made an arbiter and eternal one. Somehow from just a regular Kyrian he WENT TO FULL BLOWN LIGHT IMBUDED TITAN OF DEATH. And whats even worse, WHEN DID Primus learn to use First Ones magic and phrases?!?! (unless through Zovaal who was already dominated whole expac by him, went to sepulchure of the First ones and out of nowhere Primus uses first ones magic).Apparently he was imprisoned even way before expansion of "Shadowlands" has happened, an literally since then "Zovaal" went full metal, when he "defeated" primus with runes on his body and skin🤣, runes so deep that were carved into his puppet.
So you TELL ME?!?! Primus used First Ones magic to make CROWN , that powerful, to literally CROWN AND MAKE ANOTHER BEING, INTO ETERNAL ONE AND ARBITER?
I just wanted to point out when talking about Light in Shadowlands, nothing more pops off as that moment. Crown "to resist" Domination, it is literally HILARIOUS, because ONLY BEING THERE THAT COULD USE DOMINATION AND CARVE THE RUNES FROM BARE START IS PRIMUS. Guy outplayed everyone. Including Daddy D. (but we dont know that yet for a fact).
And I really think its really symbolic, how at very end they showed Zovaal's puppet with all runes carved on him for a reason, and you question yourself, WHEN DID they EVER SHOW PRIMUS USING THOSE RUNES AGAINST ZOVAAL, guy literally carved biggest runes we have ever seen onto his skin, threw him into the maw and he defeated Primus in 1v1? LIke are you serious...
Moment we saw him first time in expansion his RUNES on his skin were always glowing, like his eyes, like everyone else that was dominated.
He was never the Jailer, he was Jailed, from bare start.
AND THE BIGGEST PLOT HOLES OF ALL, is that ZOVAAL canonically had no powers like that whatsoever, apparently he learned Domination in maw when he was alone, man you can't learn domination like that, basically Domination is one of very few RUNIC MAGICS in WoW, basically one who carves it controls it. So I dont know how Primus creating all those mourneblades, helmets etc. and even on his body, lead to Zovaal being in control?
There is so much more evidence on this its insane, this is literally nothing. This theory for me is one of those crime movies, still biggest case unsolved yet, but we know who the serial killer actually is.
That guy is capable of alot of stuff we are not aware of yet…
Let alone using Makers/Creators magic to transform innocent beings to death titans he controls through domination.
That guy is ENEMY OF ALL.
Here we go!
Could decay been the reason for curse of flesh hence why the titians lock it up
Third death cailia menathol first when arthas destroyed lodaron thought dead there 2nd by sylvans then became light undead one more to go
i think the red star is mutch bigger since tww. bit its not the time for illidan and sargeras coming now back with the titans ;) i think this is lore for the last patch before the last titan.
on the timelines, what when the whispers are just seeings from the other timelines and not all makes sense in our timeline. Im not even sure about are we in our timeline the hole time remeber we going through gates on dreanor ect.
there was a wallpaper of alleria and xalatas , every time i saw it i was like , these 2 are very look alike and maybe alleria will become to xalatas one day
Sylvanas has had two ACTUAL deaths, not just "kind of sort of a death" like Alleria and Xal'atath. I'd say Sylvanas is a better candidate for that prophecy.
Or Azshara
Remember when Alleria shoots the Dark Heart? She says, "I am not aiming at you". Maybe Alleria has fallen to the void on countless timelines but here she starts to break the cycle. Xal'atath looked like she expected to get shot at as we see earlier at the battle in Dalaran when she tells Alleria "It is not time for that yet". When the time did come, but the Dark Heart was hit and damaged instead. Xal'atath's invulnerability did not extend to The Dark Heart. The result is Xal'atath lashing out in anger. She did NOT expect that to happen.
@michaelpettersson4919 I think it's lame and lazy writing if the destruction of the dark heart wasn't Xalatath's plan. We are supposed to believe she is some crazy powerful entity on the level we have never seen before, but she somehow lets her magical macguffin get destroyed like that? It's just crap if that is truly what happened.
@@hobosnake1I think both could be right.
I think this was Alleria’s first good move in this expansion lol. But I can find reason in your saying as well, Xal & Iri tricking us to believe that device is something way to powerful and crucial and in the meantime we just played into their hands.
@@ketrintintin I get the same vibe viewing that thing's destruction as I did when Nzoth died. Which was "surely that's not all there is to it. We just shoot him with a laser and bye bye?"
I think there is more to the nzoth cinematic and I think there is more to the dark heart being destroyed. In the sense that these are obviously trickery.
I sincerely hope Blizzard does something truly good with Xal, and I think the old gods need more love in this plot. Even if Xal just brings them back for a patch. The nzoth thing and the possible 5th old god really make me think we will be seeing all of them at once. It seems proper to do that just before the cosmic void encroaches on us.
Damn u mispelled Xal'Atath like 3 times bruh
@@hobosnake1 Xal’Atath is fallible. Proof: she got trapped in a dagger once.
Yeah, I’d buy that theory
Οf course Necromancy is attached to death only, from the Greek word: νεκρομαντεία (nekromanteía), νεκρός (nekrós, “dead”) + μαντεία (manteía, “divination”).
Isn't sylvanas an option too regarding the third death considering she died killed by arthas and a second time from the spire of the citadel when she got brought back by the valkyrs ? especially with her connection to death and your suggestion death is the ennemy of all?
I thought of Sylvanas too because it would be a way to bring her back unless they decide to ultimately end her story. And third death sort of lines up with her aswell, and she would probably have some sort of role to fill alongside her sister.
I wonder how much time did Khadgar spent in the void and what he learned, or changed...
I mean Yogg literally screams BOW BEFORE THE GOD OF DEATH or something so it doesn't really get more obvious
Well, the Old Gods could absorb the element of decay just as Azeroth supposedly ate Spirit. They don't have to be the elementals of Decay themselves, right?
Edit: 17:13 I like this one btw, cool theory.
I vould swear all Yog'saron's skills were not void, after all he was called thw god of death. I still somehow think that xalatath is a dark version of azeroth, that would make sense that she referenced all the violence of the mortals, maybe that's why xalatath asked nzoth to set her free so she can achieve her potential. Also, just because khadgar survived don't assume all void works like the heart.
wayt im confused now, wasent Galakrond a titan experiment? thay infused the dragons with order but wanted to exeperiment with decay just like thay did with G'huun?
My question is, if the void lords wanted to manifest into reality and their blood remains in our world, is this maybe the manifestation they were talking about.
Xal'atath is talking about that the void is all about the strongest surviving and she empowers creatures with the blood of old gods.
I'm also always thinking about the meaning of "the HARBINGER of the empire that WAS". What is the point of being a harbinger if the empire is in the past?
For me it sounds like the empire of the void fully ended by the death of the old gods and this is the beginning of the manifested empire and she is the harbinger of it.
Maybe these thoughts are completely wrong, but by now it makes sense for me...
Weren’t the Drust also related
To decay in Shadowlands? Even though that wasn’t properly fleshed out.
I like this Theory and I was running with it for a bit, but recently I no longer think Aleria is Xal’atath. It would fit, but if I’m being honest, the world soul saga seems like it’s about coming full circle with the story of wow. So I present you my theory.
Back before we were made aware of the old gods, Sargaras found a world with them intent on creating a void titan. See we’ve had this threat ever since the beginning, it’s what set Sargaras off on his crusade to begin with. Let’s check this out “One conclave of nathrezim settled on a world where several Old Gods, servants of the void lords, were in the process of corrupting a titan world-soul. They came to dwell among the Old Gods, basking in their dark power. When Sargeras discovered the planet, he captured and interrogated the nathrezim, and they revealed what they knew about the void lords: that they had sent the Old Gods into the cosmos in order to find and corrupt a world-soul and transform it into an unspeakably dark creature that not even the Pantheon could stand against.”
The Nathrazim have been apart of this idea since the beginning. So if Sargaras found Nathrazim on that planet… where are all of ours? Where are the Nathrazim? Perhaps they became to comfortable with their plans, and with the old gods seeing their infinite time lines, saw their true intent.
“ Void: Taking advantage of the void lords' vast reach to position them as a foil against the other forces”
What if Xal’ataths ambitions had become known to N’zoth, and instead he imprisoned her? Xal’atath, the dread lord who infiltrated the void.
Let’s look at the Nathrazim, “As they are beings of magic, they can-with enough effort and patience-alter their own natures. They are masters of infiltration and illusion who are capable of shapeshifting and disguising themselves as a variety of beings.
They seem to be wholly adaptable to their surroundings and specialize in gaining the trust of the very forces they are sent to undermine. They utilize terror and subterfuge, often turning brother against brother as whole worlds fall before their dark influence.”
Does this not sound familiar? Does this not fit Xal’atath? Also, the dreadlords expressed distaste over having to hide inside the weak "shell" of a human. To "kill" a dreadlord typically implies that their body is slain but their spirit endures, capable of regenerating its lost physical form after a particular amount of time or some other condition has been met. Xal’atath was grateful to have a suitable body, especially after not having a physical form for who knows how long. Just interesting she comments about having a body once again. I also look at her outfit and how she is dressed, the design seems to be of Nathrazim design, if you go and look at the updated art for dreadlords and mal’ganis, you can see simularities between them. If you look at how Denathris is dressed and how his attire appears, the rings the jewelry all similar in design. She even infiltrated Dalaran by disguising as Drenden. We’ve seen this happen before with Balnazzar, hiding in plane sight as Saidan Dathrohan, Grand Crusader of the Scarlet Crusade. I could keep pulling up references, for me, it would make the most since that the dreadlords would finally fulfill their original purpose and we could finally tie up the pantheons story with the void and Nathrazim. Without the Nathrazim the universe wouldn’t be at such end with itself and others. The grand manipulators! The unseen ones! The perfect villain, returning to the fold! I have even mentioned in other posts in how Xal’atath edges on Aleria… in the same fashion as Mal’ganis did to Arthas. Take it or leave it, but I don’t think we can discount the idea that for someone who always hides in the shadows, turns factions on one another, and manipulates certain outcomes to serve her purpose…. Just sounds like the dreadlord thing todo.
On her 3rd death... Hrmmm. Hrmmm... I think Sylvanas is up for number three. She was well done crispy ghostified and did a swaw dive off Icecrown. Sisters in battle or true redemption? And her death acts like a key, something weird Xalatath planned. Like a crafty ole Baba Yaga. In any case there will be something Lovecraft. Then it turns out to be youuuu! Haha. It usually is. Ever think what your character goes through ~ if it was a real person. "Not me again!? Jeeze! Gawd..." Haha! I hear most characters sounding like napoleon dynamite. Because the dance is in the game... Duh.
Mining ~ "Hey... Where did you get those rad mystic tier tater tots... Lucky..." NPC Pedro ~ "Over dere... But there are kolbolds, they are not nice." Mounts Liger and complains about his b@lls, charging through the forest in clanging armour. See... Makes perfect sense. Like my comment.
I Need to know about Xal'atoh the Axe that whispers the same way as she did in the sword. It must be her brother or another old god or something.
I don’t think the Old Gods are necessarily “of decay”, per se. There’s a wealth of evidence that they’re practitioners of it, but I believe they’re still very much of the void. First, I think there’s a misconception about Spirit and Decay and their respective statuses as the fifth and sixth elements. From all that has been gleaned from books and other canonical sources of lore, Spirit and Decay have never manifested their own Lords or elementals, but rather acted as unseen affixes of sorts for the other four elements. Shamanism uses Spirit to establish a peaceful and balanced connection to the four elements; dark shamanism uses decay to subjugate the elements. On Draenor the elements are so restless and adversarial because of the over-abundance of Spirit within the planet essentially overstimulating them.
I believe the Old Gods were sent out by the Void Lords and when they landed on Azeroth, they began tapping into the abundance of Decay magic within her. Yogg’Saron obviously took to using Decay far more proficiently than his kin, styling himself the God of Death. Just as the dark shamans would do thousands of years later, the Old Gods used decay to subjugate the four primal elements into servitude.
Just a thought, but sometimes I feel like “the enemy of all” is not dead, nor void. Like it or not they are part of the nature, the cycle.
Well, whatever happened to Calia… seems a bit off. At least for me.
the internet is full of Xal'atath and foot memes. But lets look at it from her perspective.
All the other old gods had tentacles.
Now where she finaly got real feet she just wants to show them around... xD
Mind blown again ❤
Could it be that Xal was the first one to get the void power without the madness? Like the first true empowerment without side effects?
WoW is not the only universe in which necromancy isn't necessarily a force of darkness or evil. In DnD, every single spell that resurrects a person, whether as themselves or as an undead, is considered necromancy.
Theoretically, the act of rezzing a person is also necromancy, since you're infusing a dead person with magic to bring them back to life.
No one said darkness or evil is a requirement but they are almost always tied to death magic.
@@TheAccolonn That's fair, I worded that poorly.
But technically, ANY resurrection is necromancy. And ususally, "regular" resurrection is shown to be using some form of light-infused magic.
So I don't think that Caria being raised by the Light contradicts anything.
Whether the magic looks green or yellow, it's always been necromancy.
Sure, the product may look different from time to time, like the corpse just being animated as-is or being restored to a pre-death state, but it's all necromancy nonetheless.
what about zovaal did he say a cosmos divided will not survive what is to come.
We don't talk about Zovaal. *ptsd triggers*, but yes he did drop that hint too. These whispers in question, and N'zoth's warnings to us seem to be more related to Xal'atath
@@mornhammer He wasnt discrediting that at all. He is saying, since Xal girly is of the cosmos, SHE MIGHT be the one dividing it. Midnight? Hello?
@@jskyler5422 I wasn't discrediting them either. I don't know where that impression came from. I was simply saying N'zoth and the whispers are likely more directed at Xal. While Zovaal's probably at the void in general.
@@mornhammer Get over it...Shadowlands didn't suck as bad as it could have, all things considered. Sylvanas will return and she will be redeemed.
@@lindadelorme5117 I see you missed the joke there. While it wasnt great I'm not a shadowlands hater.
the spirit elementals are very present as is their lords.
the elementals of spirit are the loa.........
i can see the point they made with necromancy. its probably like warlocks. people see warlocks and think fel, yes but warlock isnt just fel warlocks (atleast as a class) is more about summoning and binding entites. hence a voidwalker or some of their shadow curses. warlock isnt the magic type being used but the method used to weild it. necromancy is animating or manipulating the dead. sure death magic would be probably the best and strongest way to do so but using light, life, arcane to mainpulate a dead thing would still be necromancy. binding a soul to a corpse is necromancy, the magic fueling the binding is irrelevant and im sure there are magics better suited for it. like summoning or porting. we have seen many magics do it but all are teleportion regardless of the magic fueling it...that being said magic and its use doesnt have to only be 1 type. calia could easily be a product of light and death magic. either one makes sense
I could see necromancy being light magic just cause Danuser is a hack
wouldnt the opposite of decay be growth/life?
the opposite of spirit is VOID actually.
and the opposite of light is shadow
maybe all this got shaken up by azeroth consuming spirit - maybe to counter her decay.
thats maybe why theres always this "shdow slash void" nomination in the cosmic chart.
@@nataschajordan6053 not from my perspective or belief. Spirit is life, it's the creative element that leads to life. So decay is it's counter force cause it's where life goes upon death.
I gave up trying to keep up with all the cosmic 5d chess multiple time-line jumping every puppet master is just another puppet of an unseen uber big bad