I feel he is just explaining it to a more general audience becauae the interviewer had also a great general honest understanding and good intro questions
This is easily one of the best podcasts I've seen with Pageau, thanks in large part to a fantastic interviewer and host; very insightful questions, super helpful. Thank you 🙏
Someone said this collaboration deserves at least half a million views, and I just wanted to second (or third or fourth or whatever) that. Outstanding podcast, love it.
The discussion around the car analogy helped the final piece of the puzzle fall into place for me regarding God being the reaaon for human value. Thankyou so much
Absolutely fantastic talk 👏 As a feelow artist, I was happy to hear how you feel about postmodern art! I was so disillusioned at university when I was doing my art degree... Such a push and focus to be 'cutting edge/edgy' in concept and gave no credit to those who used old techniquesbor channelled classical art... It was sad. But I completely agree with you, it leaves me cold.
Such a profound discussion. I hope this video can be viewed by as many human beings as possible in multiple languages. I have loved(and continue to practice learning further about) all things related to biology/environmental sciences, the relationships among the organisms in their relevant habitats. While they continued to breakdown the relationship between the One and the Many(Unitiy and Multiplicity) I could not help but to imagine the structures that govern the cell, that organize them into greater forms like organs, that further organize them into a lifeform, that further organizes(or joins in Union) within its community/environment, that further joins itself to the greater community(State/Nation), and so on and so forth. The concept is applicable not just to the Physical body, but most importantly to the Spiritual and Mental bodies for us human beings. I must further ruminate on all that these gentlemen have discussed in this video, and continue to discover(probably rediscover, since nothing is new under the Sun lol) more and more insights stemming from them. Thank you kindly for all your work. May God bless you all and your loved ones.
I love this talk. I do have a minor quibble, although maybe I've misunderstood. I would disagree that surrealism and dada, both tenets of Modernism, when put together produce Post-Modernism. To say that "today surrealism and dadaism have taken over the art world" has not been a true statement for ~75 years. I would repalce those "isms" with abstract expressionism and conceptual art, which are what I suspect Mark is feeling insulted by when visiting a modern art museum.
Thank you to both of you! I remember watching some of your drawn videos in the past. I'm glad to find you back, and see the person behind the hand, in a podcast with such a great guest! I watch Jonathan's content almost every day (there is a lot to catch up). God bless!
Thanks for this conversation! It would be interesting to have the same conversation with a scholar of eastern liturgy/philosophy to tease out the differences and explore the similarities!
Whoa. I doubt Mark has the time to make a 2-hour animation! But it would be amazing. In fact, once I read your comment I started imagining animations along with the discussion.
@@stvbrsn yeah it would certainly need to be edited down into 10min or less for an after skool animation, but if he can do it with Ram Dass & Alan Watts I know here could do this convo justice as well
"We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges. When soldiers take their oath they are given a coin, an asimi stamped with the profile of the Autarch. Their acceptance of that coin is their acceptance of the special duties and burdens of military life-they are soldiers from that moment, though they may know nothing of the management of arms. I did not know that then, but it is a profound mistake to believe that we must know of such things to be influenced by them, and in fact to believe so is to believe in the most debased and superstitious kind of magic. The would-be sorcerer alone has faith in the efficacy of pure knowledge; rational people know that things act of themselves or not at all." Gene Wolfe, Shadow of the Torturer
The car analogy is so great, i could really pay attention in my Tesla as this video came up as suggested and auto played while cruising a series of toll roads until I got distracted by all the bad drivers, we really need even more cameras and automated enforcement.
An interesting aspect of free will is that once you make a decision, you have freedom because all the other choices are now gone. If you had a choice of going through 4 doors, once you go through one, the others don't matter. There is a liberation in that. The liberation from contingency and the tyranny of all the other options is way beyond what people conceive as "free will".
Are You reading his brother's book the language of creation if not I would highly suggest it i have 4 more chapters of the book and everything in this video is explained deeper in his brother's book it's easily the greatest book on symbolism ever written and if you do start reading it and have any questions just comment and I would help you it's not the easiest read especially when he gets into explaining the ancient concepts of space and time.
This couldn’t have come at a better time for me, truly meant to be. Helped me understand a lot more about so much, so thank you. I would also like to say that you are right about some of gen z not being completely absorbed in it even still you have no data. My English teacher actually observed a similar phenomena when we all chose our independent research projects and many chose topics that made it clear we were unhappy with our relationship with technology. We did so in separate periods but of the same year, interesting observation. We are born year 05, 2005. Just saying that since you said you had no data, right in the middle of the years classified as gen z actually
Just wanted to point out how happy I am that Destiny has not been in my feed for quite a while and just now noticed. Nothing to do with this video, just an unconnected observation that i didnt want to make on a video with out that guy.
1:06:36 I don't know why everyone hates "Raygun." She was literally the only thing about the Olympics that I liked. Her performance was hilarious and brought me joy.😄
I want to ask Jonathan, regarding Satan being the divider, and also regarding identities being forced to compete against each other, how these relate to Christ bringing a sword and turning family members against each other and dividing them.
That's such a good question. I'd like to hear his answer to this as well. I'm missing a lot here I'm pretty sure, but I think it has something to do with Christ becoming the lowest, lowering himself from God to serpent and scapegoat on the cross -- he actually refers to himself as the serpent "as the serpent was hung on the pole so also the son of man shall be lifted up" (horrible paraphrase but close enough I think), and the Bible says he became a curse (Galatians I think), and became sin (2 Corinthians 5:21) for us. In his quest to save, he took on some of the darkest aspects imaginable, including becoming sin, the curse, scapegoat, and the divider - but in service of a higher purpose. Satan opposes and divides to lower people into death and chaos/Hell, Christ also opposes and divides (think of how he constantly called out the Pharisees and Sadducees for example, people with a ton of religious and political power in that time), but to raise people into life and divine order/Heaven. Christ, by becoming sin and taking the curse upon Himself, exposes the depth of human sin and the need for salvation. This truth forces a choice: either one accepts Christ’s sacrifice, recognizing the weight of sin He bore, or one rejects it. The sword is probably in part the dividing effect of this truth, especially when it cuts through personal relationships, loyalties, and values that are at odds with the Gospel. For some, Christ’s work is a source of redemption, but for others, it is incomprehensible or even offensive, causing division. I think many Orthodox Christians take this even further and believe that Hell is God's love; for people who want it, it is beautiful; peace, joy, heaven, etc, and for those who resist it and hate it, this love feels like and is Hell (think of how it feels when you do something wrong and you know its wrong but refuse to stop -- the presence of your conscience, which can be likened to God's love, causes deep guilt, suffering even. But when you choose to agree with and align yourself with your conscience/Love, and do good instead, it feels great, brings peace, joy, Heaven.)
I had this same question/thought as he was talking about Satan the divider. It seems as a believer I’m often called to take a stand which “divides” me from others
René Guénon wrote in his The Multiple States of the Being that “freedom is absence of constraint”, and it is a _possibility._ We are free to the degree we participate willingly in the state of Being, exemplified in Christ’s life and teachings for us Christians. It is freedom from our selfish desires; passions and lusts; fears and pleasures, which all constrain the will. Perfect free will and the Will of God is one and the same. If my will contradicts God’s will, it is not free because it has consequences which binds me. This is why we need asceticism and obedience.
A couple comments on the symbols discussed early in the video. The yin and yang symbol is representative of primary masculine and feminine archetypes. You can’t understand the symbol without understanding the Eastern philosophy from which it comes. This is fundamentally an image that represents the duality of existence. It can also be understood in relationship to the moon . The constant cycle of the decay of the full moon and the renewal in the new moon. The oroboros is also connected to the moon. The eternal turning of the lunar cycle. It is representative of something that we don’t understand in the west, and that is a cyclical understanding of time. In the west, we understand time is linear. Cultures predating hours, and even some modern traditions still recognize, that time is a set of eternal cycles The caduceus is a representation of an eastern understanding of the energy system in the human body. The two snakes represent the force of kundalini. And the staff represents the spinal column. When the kundalini rises, it transforms the individual in radical terms. It blows out energetic blockages, and is a healing force. I like JONATHAN, but he’s stuck in a Judeo Christian grammar. And his hermeneutical approach leaves many layers of interpretation unexplored. The last thing I’ll mention is the association of the pentagram with the devil. The MorningStar, when Venus is rising in the morning was once known as the late bringer. This is what the name Lucifer means. Earth and Venus have a mathematical relationship in their orbits , and when the math is understood, the spiral graph of the relationship between the planets forms of pentagram. It has to do with how long Venus takes to orbit the sun and how long earth does.
Given that Jonathan is mostly concerned with bringing insights to a Western world, and from a Christian perspective, he's not "stuck" in a grammar, he is pointing out what has been forgotten to those who use that same grammar.
@@educationalporpoises9592 I think I do. It's the difference between what are called emic and etic perspectives. Jonathan's interpretations of these symbols are those of a Christian filtering the meaning of these symbols through a Christian framework. That's a cultural and religious bias. these are NOT Christian symbols. If you want to understand the meaning of the symbols, you have to look at them from the perspective of the people who created them.
@@ShannonBoschy I'll clarify what I meant just in case. Jonathan is addressing a post-Christian, largely post-spiritual, materialist West that has forgotten a LOT of its historical and spiritual identity, and nowadays specifically rejects the Christianity of its history, since we perceive it as the largest and most recent spiritual identity. Regardless of what we may learn from older and other spiritual histories, it is true that the West rejects Christianity specifically, due to the failures of Christendom, the failures of post-Enlightenment West to understand Christendom, and the propaganda about both of these failures. Jonathan's goal is to help mend our Post-enlightenment, materialist blindness--in which words like "soul," "spirit," and "glory" mean nothing like what they mean in a Christian vocabulary--with the Christian perspective which it has recently rejected and forgotten. Sure--there are other aspects of our spiritual history that may need to undergo a similar process of reconciliation, but that's not Jonathan's main concern. Perhaps we may say that he is trying to help the "adult" West reconcile with its "adolescent" past. My statement is that insofar as that is his goal, he is not stuck. Moreover, I do not think he has ever stated that these things are originally "Christian symbols." Even the cross was an instrument of death before it became a symbol of life. Christianity baptizes symbols but does not typically claim to be their historical origin.
Most of the symbols we see come from the kundilini meditation you can literally see the yin and Yang symbol while meditating if you practice it regularly and live your life in accordance with that type of lifestyle you will also see the caduceus, Jacobs ladder there's a good book called kundilini the sacred fire of all religions check that out
The notion that we don’t have free will if we don’t have unlimited options, in other words, omnipotence and omniscience, is absurd. It’s really semantics at that point, where there are two very different definitions of “free will”. Most people would define it as the ability to make decisions based on the circumstances we find ourselves in. And we all know we have that. In fact, if we didn’t have free will, it would be impossible to even conceptualize the notion of free will, and no one would be able to come to the conclusion that we don’t have it. It takes free will to claim that we have no free will.
Free will and freedom can be understood in a third sense, as an absence of constraint. Our free will is limited by our doubts, fears, passions, confusion and so on. It can be free only to the degree we participate in Being or for us Christians, in Christ. By this definition, free will and the Divine Will is one and the same. “…for as long as your selfish will rules, you cannot pray to the Lord with a pure heart: Thy will be done. If you cannot get rid of your own greatness, neither can you lay yourself open for real greatness. If you cling to your own freedom, you cannot share in true freedom, where only one will reigns. The saints' deep secret is this: do not seek freedom, and freedom will be given you.” - Tito Colliander, “Way of the Ascetics: The Ancient Tradition of Discipline and Inner Growth”
I think Johnathan may be mistaken about the Ubermensch. I think Nietzsche was trying to portray what it is like when someone truly understands the ONE true nature of things. I think humans can do this with or without a guide, and lived experience can teach it. I think it’s hard to be one and if it was real you probably wouldn’t hear about it given they would be incredibly disinterested in seeking recognition. I wouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water with anything Nietzsche wrote. I could be off base, but that’s my interpretation and it was at odds with Jonathan’s view in this video so I thought I’d come here to see if I’m off base. I should also will say excellent session all around either way! Great video.
I understood the baphomet as a symbol for the “first matter” of alchemy, that’s why he has dissolve et coagula on his arm…the kind of raw power of the instincts that has to be tamed and refined through the practices of virtue and asceticism…perhaps also and image of Jung’s “shadow”….
Symbols = Reality Compressions Signs = Visual Metaphors Both are forms of identity swimming in the ocean of meme & archetype...like when Adam was naming the animals in the Garden.
The "goat" that Pageau mentioned has a name in the Bible. Azazal the scapegoat. The same character is in the book of Enoch. There is also a Jewish Midrash about Azazal hanging upside-down. I assumed that's where the idea of the inverted pentagram came from.
Homeopathy as a medical modality is a cool example of "the venom is also the cure". The entire treatment of homeopathy is strictly centered around the philosophy of "like treats like". Symbolically this idea is similar to Christ saying, “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life” (John 3:14-15) Jesus becomes the curse to cure the curse. Like treats like.
Why do humans connect the dots? It come from our experience of inner conductivity and resistance. You connect the Chakras you get the Cross, the Ankh, the Star of David, the Star and the Crescent and more. It's all snapshots from experience. The Serpent and Kundalini is the beginning and the creator of all symbolism.
?what? Semiotics is the study of symbols/signs & their significance.How meaning is created, not what it is. The thing in itself is not the thing it symbolizes but a representation or interpretation of an (possibly simplified)abstract/obscured idea. Transcendental concepts are often symbolized to prescribe meaning to the sublime or obscure/ ineffable.
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I don't see the shirt that you are wearing, only the poster of it
It's pronounced cry sees, not crycisses. :-)
Jonathan keeps improving his formulation of the symbolic truth. I think this is his best yet, worth multiple listens.
He was all out in this one. Definitively.
Hear hear
Just starting #2 myself!
I feel he is just explaining it to a more general audience becauae the interviewer had also a great general honest understanding and good intro questions
Jonathan is absolutely brilliant, as is his brither Matthieu.
Thabks to them, me and my family became eastern Orthodox Christians. Glory to god ❤☦️
Same here! Amen ☦️🙏🏻
Glory to God, bro
Is Mathieu Pageau an Orthodox Christian?
@@FrJohnBrownSJ no. He's from an evangelical background but then took an interest in rabbinical Jewish texts and the old testament.
@@naikhanomtom7552 Thanks. I appreciated his book on the language of creation.
This is easily one of the best podcasts I've seen with Pageau, thanks in large part to a fantastic interviewer and host; very insightful questions, super helpful. Thank you 🙏
Thank you. Your words are encouraging!
Agreed. Thank you so much for such a great listen.
@AfterSkool , he is right, I've been a Jonathan fan for years, and this interview is top 5 or 3. Great interviewer, good job. New sub
This collaboration deserves at least half a million views...
I never would’ve expected this collaboration! Jonathan’s understanding of Eastern Orthodox thought is very insightful!
Someone said this collaboration deserves at least half a million views, and I just wanted to second (or third or fourth or whatever) that. Outstanding podcast, love it.
Im excited for this one.
Hope to see an afterskool vid narrated by Jonathan!
this is exactly what i needed today. amazing synchronicity.
The discussion around the car analogy helped the final piece of the puzzle fall into place for me regarding God being the reaaon for human value. Thankyou so much
Absolutely fantastic talk 👏 As a feelow artist, I was happy to hear how you feel about postmodern art! I was so disillusioned at university when I was doing my art degree... Such a push and focus to be 'cutting edge/edgy' in concept and gave no credit to those who used old techniquesbor channelled classical art... It was sad. But I completely agree with you, it leaves me cold.
Jonathan really hit a stride in this one. Great stuff.
this talk is mindblowing. Pageau is a true thinker and ptophet of our times.
Jonathan is GOAT
This was fantastic interview - one of the absolute best Pageau interviews and I’ve seen most of them!
One of my favorite Pageau videos
Brilliant interview! Thank you for having Jonathan on. 🎉
This conversation is the definition of a diamond in the rough.
Yes!!! I absolutely love Pageau !
Excellent guest.....enjoy his prior content. Cheers and many thanks for the content....
Really appreciate the use of images in this podcast
Love Jonathan and Matthieu!!
Pageau is great! Good to see you both together!
1:10:14 "Our will is constrained by the purposes that present themselves to us...the only free will we have is to choose the good...."
Fantastic. Love this episode and this channel. Thank you, friend!
Great insights from Pageau as always and the other guy looks like Colby Covington.
Thanks for asking so many awesome yet simple, basic questions, very valuable, God bless! ✝️🙏
Much appreciation. God bless 🙏
Outstanding interview and discussion!
Shedding collective identities was really good......
Such a profound discussion. I hope this video can be viewed by as many human beings as possible in multiple languages.
I have loved(and continue to practice learning further about) all things related to biology/environmental sciences, the relationships among the organisms in their relevant habitats. While they continued to breakdown the relationship between the One and the Many(Unitiy and Multiplicity) I could not help but to imagine the structures that govern the cell, that organize them into greater forms like organs, that further organize them into a lifeform, that further organizes(or joins in Union) within its community/environment, that further joins itself to the greater community(State/Nation), and so on and so forth.
The concept is applicable not just to the Physical body, but most importantly to the Spiritual and Mental bodies for us human beings. I must further ruminate on all that these gentlemen have discussed in this video, and continue to discover(probably rediscover, since nothing is new under the Sun lol) more and more insights stemming from them. Thank you kindly for all your work. May God bless you all and your loved ones.
Great interview, great insights! Thanks Mark and Jonathan 🙏🏻☦️
I love this talk. I do have a minor quibble, although maybe I've misunderstood. I would disagree that surrealism and dada, both tenets of Modernism, when put together produce Post-Modernism. To say that "today surrealism and dadaism have taken over the art world" has not been a true statement for ~75 years. I would repalce those "isms" with abstract expressionism and conceptual art, which are what I suspect Mark is feeling insulted by when visiting a modern art museum.
Everyone should watch this conversation. Incredible insights and hugely important perspectives on our society.
I love your visualizations. Wonderful podcast
Thank you to both of you! I remember watching some of your drawn videos in the past. I'm glad to find you back, and see the person behind the hand, in a podcast with such a great guest! I watch Jonathan's content almost every day (there is a lot to catch up). God bless!
Absolutely stunning podcast chaps, many many thanks from New Zealand, Churrrr
Happy to see a fellow Kiwi listen to Before Skool 😎
Happy to see a fellow Kiwi listening to Before Skool 😎
Loved this!!!
You guys are awesome. Thank you.
This is awesome!
this is one for the books, my guys 🧨
What an awkward ending like the best interview I’ve seen in the past couple months 🤣
Thanks for this conversation! It would be interesting to have the same conversation with a scholar of eastern liturgy/philosophy to tease out the differences and explore the similarities!
Let’s make this an after skool video!🤞
Whoa. I doubt Mark has the time to make a 2-hour animation!
But it would be amazing. In fact, once I read your comment I started imagining animations along with the discussion.
@@stvbrsn yeah it would certainly need to be edited down into 10min or less for an after skool animation, but if he can do it with Ram Dass & Alan Watts I know here could do this convo justice as well
Very good interview! Many interesting topics and ideas expressed. Thank you very much!
This is good! What a podcast 👏 👌
Thank you, great interview
good episode to discover you have a podcast. big fan of after skool.
Apparently, I really needed this.
(side quest - "who am i?" - activated)
You are loved
@@mitchellclark3070awesome - have some back 🪃❤️
@@mitchellclark3070by love Himself! The true I Am, God.
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Well, might as well start with symbolism! The symbol “I.”
So yeah… who are I?
This is brilliant! I'm new here, but I'll be watching. Thank you.
"We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges. When soldiers take their oath they are given a coin, an asimi stamped with the profile of the Autarch. Their acceptance of that coin is their acceptance of the special duties and burdens of military life-they are soldiers from that moment, though they may know nothing of the management of arms. I did not know that then, but it is a profound mistake to believe that we must know of such things to be influenced by them, and in fact to believe so is to believe in the most debased and superstitious kind of magic. The would-be sorcerer alone has faith in the efficacy of pure knowledge; rational people know that things act of themselves or not at all."
Gene Wolfe, Shadow of the Torturer
Well done.
The car analogy is so great, i could really pay attention in my Tesla as this video came up as suggested and auto played while cruising a series of toll roads until I got distracted by all the bad drivers, we really need even more cameras and automated enforcement.
holy shit pod cast of my life.
Man this is good!!!
Jonathan had a similar (but different, so worth watching) talk with Jay Dyer about symbols and icons ☦️
I like the word twonity (two Unity) more than duality. The duel/dual is a fight between two instead of Unity.
A moment of unity during a duel would be when swords cross
Love the shirt ☀️ 🙌
An interesting aspect of free will is that once you make a decision, you have freedom because all the other choices are now gone. If you had a choice of going through 4 doors, once you go through one, the others don't matter. There is a liberation in that. The liberation from contingency and the tyranny of all the other options is way beyond what people conceive as "free will".
Amazing 🙏🏼
I hope to become as brilliant as you Jonathan
Are You reading his brother's book the language of creation if not I would highly suggest it i have 4 more chapters of the book and everything in this video is explained deeper in his brother's book it's easily the greatest book on symbolism ever written and if you do start reading it and have any questions just comment and I would help you it's not the easiest read especially when he gets into explaining the ancient concepts of space and time.
FInally, the Jonathan Pageau Colby Covington interview I've been waiting for.
😂
This couldn’t have come at a better time for me, truly meant to be. Helped me understand a lot more about so much, so thank you. I would also like to say that you are right about some of gen z not being completely absorbed in it even still you have no data. My English teacher actually observed a similar phenomena when we all chose our independent research projects and many chose topics that made it clear we were unhappy with our relationship with technology. We did so in separate periods but of the same year, interesting observation. We are born year 05, 2005. Just saying that since you said you had no data, right in the middle of the years classified as gen z actually
I always thought the one hand up the other down meant “as above, so below”
Just wanted to point out how happy I am that Destiny has not been in my feed for quite a while and just now noticed.
Nothing to do with this video, just an unconnected observation that i didnt want to make on a video with out that guy.
awesome visuals too and episode also you doing a podcast should be interesting im following it
Outstanding interview. Jonathan is so on point.
Great interview.
1:06:36 I don't know why everyone hates "Raygun." She was literally the only thing about the Olympics that I liked. Her performance was hilarious and brought me joy.😄
I want to ask Jonathan, regarding Satan being the divider, and also regarding identities being forced to compete against each other, how these relate to Christ bringing a sword and turning family members against each other and dividing them.
That's such a good question. I'd like to hear his answer to this as well. I'm missing a lot here I'm pretty sure, but I think it has something to do with Christ becoming the lowest, lowering himself from God to serpent and scapegoat on the cross -- he actually refers to himself as the serpent "as the serpent was hung on the pole so also the son of man shall be lifted up" (horrible paraphrase but close enough I think), and the Bible says he became a curse (Galatians I think), and became sin (2 Corinthians 5:21) for us.
In his quest to save, he took on some of the darkest aspects imaginable, including becoming sin, the curse, scapegoat, and the divider - but in service of a higher purpose. Satan opposes and divides to lower people into death and chaos/Hell, Christ also opposes and divides (think of how he constantly called out the Pharisees and Sadducees for example, people with a ton of religious and political power in that time), but to raise people into life and divine order/Heaven.
Christ, by becoming sin and taking the curse upon Himself, exposes the depth of human sin and the need for salvation. This truth forces a choice: either one accepts Christ’s sacrifice, recognizing the weight of sin He bore, or one rejects it. The sword is probably in part the dividing effect of this truth, especially when it cuts through personal relationships, loyalties, and values that are at odds with the Gospel.
For some, Christ’s work is a source of redemption, but for others, it is incomprehensible or even offensive, causing division. I think many Orthodox Christians take this even further and believe that Hell is God's love; for people who want it, it is beautiful; peace, joy, heaven, etc, and for those who resist it and hate it, this love feels like and is Hell (think of how it feels when you do something wrong and you know its wrong but refuse to stop -- the presence of your conscience, which can be likened to God's love, causes deep guilt, suffering even. But when you choose to agree with and align yourself with your conscience/Love, and do good instead, it feels great, brings peace, joy, Heaven.)
I had this same question/thought as he was talking about Satan the divider. It seems as a believer I’m often called to take a stand which “divides” me from others
I never, ever expected to hear Jonathan Pageau say "no fap november"
René Guénon wrote in his The Multiple States of the Being that “freedom is absence of constraint”, and it is a _possibility._ We are free to the degree we participate willingly in the state of Being, exemplified in Christ’s life and teachings for us Christians. It is freedom from our selfish desires; passions and lusts; fears and pleasures, which all constrain the will. Perfect free will and the Will of God is one and the same. If my will contradicts God’s will, it is not free because it has consequences which binds me. This is why we need asceticism and obedience.
25:11 think right now would be a perfect time for him to talk about the significance of 369 in sacred geometry
A couple comments on the symbols discussed early in the video.
The yin and yang symbol is representative of primary masculine and feminine archetypes. You can’t understand the symbol without understanding the Eastern philosophy from which it comes. This is fundamentally an image that represents the duality of existence. It can also be understood in relationship to the moon . The constant cycle of the decay of the full moon and the renewal in the new moon.
The oroboros is also connected to the moon. The eternal turning of the lunar cycle. It is representative of something that we don’t understand in the west, and that is a cyclical understanding of time. In the west, we understand time is linear. Cultures predating hours, and even some modern traditions still recognize, that time is a set of eternal cycles
The caduceus is a representation of an eastern understanding of the energy system in the human body. The two snakes represent the force of kundalini. And the staff represents the spinal column. When the kundalini rises, it transforms the individual in radical terms. It blows out energetic blockages, and is a healing force.
I like JONATHAN, but he’s stuck in a Judeo Christian grammar. And his hermeneutical approach leaves many layers of interpretation unexplored.
The last thing I’ll mention is the association of the pentagram with the devil. The MorningStar, when Venus is rising in the morning was once known as the late bringer. This is what the name Lucifer means. Earth and Venus have a mathematical relationship in their orbits , and when the math is understood, the spiral graph of the relationship between the planets forms of pentagram. It has to do with how long Venus takes to orbit the sun and how long earth does.
Given that Jonathan is mostly concerned with bringing insights to a Western world, and from a Christian perspective, he's not "stuck" in a grammar, he is pointing out what has been forgotten to those who use that same grammar.
@@educationalporpoises9592 forgotten?
Nah, you’ve missed entirely and are only “remembering” misunderstandings.
@@ShannonBoschy Explain further please. I don't think you understood what I meant.
@@educationalporpoises9592 I think I do. It's the difference between what are called emic and etic perspectives.
Jonathan's interpretations of these symbols are those of a Christian filtering the meaning of these symbols through a Christian framework. That's a cultural and religious bias.
these are NOT Christian symbols. If you want to understand the meaning of the symbols, you have to look at them from the perspective of the people who created them.
@@ShannonBoschy I'll clarify what I meant just in case.
Jonathan is addressing a post-Christian, largely post-spiritual, materialist West that has forgotten a LOT of its historical and spiritual identity, and nowadays specifically rejects the Christianity of its history, since we perceive it as the largest and most recent spiritual identity.
Regardless of what we may learn from older and other spiritual histories, it is true that the West rejects Christianity specifically, due to the failures of Christendom, the failures of post-Enlightenment West to understand Christendom, and the propaganda about both of these failures.
Jonathan's goal is to help mend our Post-enlightenment, materialist blindness--in which words like "soul," "spirit," and "glory" mean nothing like what they mean in a Christian vocabulary--with the Christian perspective which it has recently rejected and forgotten.
Sure--there are other aspects of our spiritual history that may need to undergo a similar process of reconciliation, but that's not Jonathan's main concern.
Perhaps we may say that he is trying to help the "adult" West reconcile with its "adolescent" past.
My statement is that insofar as that is his goal, he is not stuck. Moreover, I do not think he has ever stated that these things are originally "Christian symbols." Even the cross was an instrument of death before it became a symbol of life.
Christianity baptizes symbols but does not typically claim to be their historical origin.
Most post modern artists were on CIA payroll 😂 ding ding ding we have a red flag
once I sat and contemplated the yin-yang as 'land-water'. it was an interesting experience
I hope you were sitting on an island. An island in a lake on an island.
Love the shirt! Great picture. Nice one.
I was subscribed since your pod with Ben. Never got any notification. UA-cam sucks
Well I'm glad you found this one.
Cannibal/Cainable. Cain was consumed by able, materializing a death.
Most of the symbols we see come from the kundilini meditation you can literally see the yin and Yang symbol while meditating if you practice it regularly and live your life in accordance with that type of lifestyle you will also see the caduceus, Jacobs ladder there's a good book called kundilini the sacred fire of all religions check that out
I’m so in love with this !!!!
May I ask if patterns are a burden in low IQ or language disabilities.
No victim signalling in this statement.
Sorry
I think they live closer to the structure
And don't forget people who can vandalize art masterpiece in the name of protest...
The notion that we don’t have free will if we don’t have unlimited options, in other words, omnipotence and omniscience, is absurd. It’s really semantics at that point, where there are two very different definitions of “free will”. Most people would define it as the ability to make decisions based on the circumstances we find ourselves in. And we all know we have that.
In fact, if we didn’t have free will, it would be impossible to even conceptualize the notion of free will, and no one would be able to come to the conclusion that we don’t have it. It takes free will to claim that we have no free will.
If we’re made in God’s image, maybe we have limited will.
It's crazy how some of the big conversations on Free Will have obscured what we know about our will.
Free will and freedom can be understood in a third sense, as an absence of constraint. Our free will is limited by our doubts, fears, passions, confusion and so on. It can be free only to the degree we participate in Being or for us Christians, in Christ. By this definition, free will and the Divine Will is one and the same.
“…for as long as your selfish will rules, you cannot pray to the Lord with a pure heart: Thy will be done. If you cannot get rid of your own greatness, neither can you lay yourself open for real greatness. If you cling to your own freedom, you cannot share in true freedom, where only one will reigns.
The saints' deep secret is this: do not seek freedom, and freedom will be given you.”
- Tito Colliander, “Way of the Ascetics: The Ancient Tradition of Discipline and Inner Growth”
Love it when someone makes a this must be how it is on sumthing people have been arguing for millennia
The jewish revolutionary spirit is strong in these times
I think Johnathan may be mistaken about the Ubermensch. I think Nietzsche was trying to portray what it is like when someone truly understands the ONE true nature of things. I think humans can do this with or without a guide, and lived experience can teach it. I think it’s hard to be one and if it was real you probably wouldn’t hear about it given they would be incredibly disinterested in seeking recognition. I wouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water with anything Nietzsche wrote.
I could be off base, but that’s my interpretation and it was at odds with Jonathan’s view in this video so I thought I’d come here to see if I’m off base. I should also will say excellent session all around either way! Great video.
I understood the baphomet as a symbol for the “first matter” of alchemy, that’s why he has dissolve et coagula on his arm…the kind of raw power of the instincts that has to be tamed and refined through the practices of virtue and asceticism…perhaps also and image of Jung’s “shadow”….
Where did Jonathan learn about all these symbols?
Symbols = Reality Compressions
Signs = Visual Metaphors
Both are forms of identity swimming in the ocean of meme & archetype...like when Adam was naming the animals in the Garden.
19:00:00 Maximus the Confessor wrote about the ying yang and warned people “ not to exit the ying Yang” ? Really?
Real life Robert Langdon
But better!
Gen Z is the Fatherless generation. Parents sacrificed there children for there pleasures.
Peterson would flourish more if he left the dark side with Ben
Deacon Nicholas Kotar is about to release a new novel that deals with many of the themes of this interview: “Cantos of Arcadia”.
32:00 I liked the way the French were eating Papa Smurf, the child's grandfather figure.
The "goat" that Pageau mentioned has a name in the Bible. Azazal the scapegoat. The same character is in the book of Enoch. There is also a Jewish Midrash about Azazal hanging upside-down. I assumed that's where the idea of the inverted pentagram came from.
Read "Childhood's End" Arthur C. Clark
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1:09:00 - Anarcho-tyranny 👍
Homeopathy as a medical modality is a cool example of "the venom is also the cure". The entire treatment of homeopathy is strictly centered around the philosophy of "like treats like".
Symbolically this idea is similar to Christ saying, “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life” (John 3:14-15)
Jesus becomes the curse to cure the curse. Like treats like.
Why do humans connect the dots? It come from our experience of inner conductivity and resistance. You connect the Chakras you get the Cross, the Ankh, the Star of David, the Star and the Crescent and more. It's all snapshots from experience. The Serpent and Kundalini is the beginning and the creator of all symbolism.
Symbols Rule The World.
?what? Semiotics is the study of symbols/signs & their significance.How meaning is created, not what it is. The thing in itself is not the thing it symbolizes but a representation or interpretation of an (possibly simplified)abstract/obscured idea. Transcendental concepts are often symbolized to prescribe meaning to the sublime or obscure/ ineffable.
Umberto Eco would definitely agree.