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Whitman variants were utterly despised when I was a kid, as "fake" comics. If they become coveted items, that will be a heck of a turnabout. Love it.
Even Overstreet thought they were reprints in the late 70s/early 80s. I got rid of so many of them throughout the 80s☹️
Whitman was fine for Disney books, I have a few.
I have been solely focused on Newsstands since 2008. Only 9.8 White Pages. I have Canadians and MJ inserts. I have no desire for these bastard comics. Im not saying theyre not a good choice, but the demand will not be as high as the rarer NS variants (CDN and MJ) in my opinion. Too many people who are high level collectors think that these are the fake comics, as you said. The premium their rarity deserves will not be realized.
About a 3rd of my Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man issues are Whitman variants. Ha, I didn't even know what they were.
Canadian Price Variants (CPV) of keys in high grade are also very popular. As you say, it’s about scarcity. If a high grade key is already rare then a CPV version which was less than 10% of total run is a rare copy of an already rare book.
Yoooooooo great segment. No clue about these and turns out I have a few. Crazy. Thank you 👊🏼. Very informative and useful
Congrats on getting your 100k pedigree collection featured on Key Collector app. Way to go brother
Salute.
As you said these Whitman variants were bagged and sold to retailers by Western Publishing, which owned Whitman. At the time their own comic imprint, Gold Key, was still active. The Gold Keys would be in spinner racks sold individually, while the Whitman variants, which were also in spinner racks, where in poly bags of 3 to 4 comics each. Whitman variants of Gold Key comics had identical cover art. The only difference was that Whitmans would have the issue number on the cover, where the Gold Keys didn't. I remember that at the time Whitmans were looked down on because they were thought to be reprints, even though they weren't. I have a lot of both.
This selling of poly grab bags was so successful that Charlton decided to get on the act. However with them they put Charltons in poly grab bags (and sold their comics individually). They had a second imprint called Modern Comics, but these were reprints. They were available solely thu retailers who ordered in bulk (100,000 or so at a time). These retailers included Wal-Mart and J.C. Penny. I have quite a few Moderns too.
I hated those spinner racks. They tended to damage the comics. I would spend ages going thru these spinner racks to find a decent copy.
Great video! With so much attention on Newsstands, it's refreshing to view a segment on another rare version of comics.
Oh man, thanks for that info! I have a lot of them, including the same Micronauts you showed.
Thanks Regie. I also feel like the UK books should be getting their just due soon. These were printed in the same factory on the same day, etc... These books are much more rare in my opinion. More rare than newsstand. I am beginning my collection in preparation for the increase!
British editions of American comics were printed at the same time, on the same paper using the same machinery. The proportion of British copies was generally somewhere up to 5% of the print run but was probably much lower in the early days of Marvel and DC UK distribution, nearer 2-3%.
For some reason pence and foreign language variants have never really caught on but that could change.
I never knew about Whitmans. Started collecting in pre-teen years. I found many in my collection. Also there are some Whitman after 1979. One was ASM 201 Feb. 1980.
Thank you for all the great knowledge you be dropping. I be so busy, I don’t have the time to read CGC blog posts.
It will be interesting to see if these take off like the 30 and 35 cent variants that marvel distributed back in the 70’s. I know of a handful of collectors that recognize them, but still a lot of collectors just don’t recognize them. Have some of these in my collection and need to see just how many are floating around. Interesting video and nice channel by the way...
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
Awesome video as always, Regie! Whitmans are getting some love as they should! These were not treated well and would be insane in high grade from a rarity standpoint.
Curious what your thoughts are on the Type 1A Canadian Newsstand comics that have even less print runs than Whitmans?
Also, in this timeframe of late 70s, there would be more newsstand edition of comics rather than direct and the main way to distribute was via newsstands. They're tough to find in high grade because of rough handling in selling and also ownership of the comic. Such a cool era to study variations of comics!
Whitman variants of DC comics are highly collectible, the irony of this, Whitman variants were considered second printings.
Very informative video. Thanks Regie
DIGGING the info and content! I just picked up one of the flash/superman races in a whitman variant for my flash collection!
I happen to have a single Whitman comic. Mine is Spectacular Spider-Man #26 from January 1979.
The direct market issues with diamonds in the corner boxes can very easily be mistaken for Whitman issues.
I already knew about Whitman before the video, but I didn't think anyone really cared about them that much.
Great info...i will need to look thru my PC as well. Thank you for the post.
Loooving that BACK wall! Just won one of those DC books at auction!
I loved this video as Whitmans are my favourite niche to collect!
Another Great video with awesome info that i didn't know. Thank you.
Dude I love your videos. Thanks brother
Great info. Thanks for the breakdown!
Great video my guy! Thank you!
Very informative Regie! Thanks ☯️🕉☮💜
Australian editions are also very rare.
Thanks, Regie...interesting topic! Like some others here, I also have a few Star Wars Whitman variants, but always assumed they were worthless reprints. I don't even remember if I ever boarded and/or bagged them.
And I believe you have a few examples of the Marvel "diamond" on your wall there, specifically the Avengers Annual #10 and one of the X-Men comics.
There are several different types of Whitman variants. Some are reprints. Others are not. Marvel also used a diamond shape at some point so you have to look for the fat/thick Diamond versus the thin/horizontal diamond.
I have a star wars 16 whitman with blank upc box, that's a reprint?
More stuff to look for in my collection, I am sure I have some of those. Thanks for the info!
Wow...just, wow! That is really great information. I had no idea. Another example of how great you and your channel is. Thanks for the show and helpful information. Have a wonderful day.
I try bro.
Very well done👍🏽
Pretty dang cool. Thank you for the information.
Thanks for the info brother!
Really interesting. I am curious if the Whitman variant applies also to Star Wars comics? Many price guide services list them as second prints with lower FMV. If they are scarcer first prints, there is a tremendous opportunity for collectors who know this before pricing catches up. Any insight? If I can get some additional information, , there may be a fun follow up blog post here... 🤔😁
If I remember correctly there were 3 comics per bag and they were priced .79-.89. I remember seeing them at the front counter at K-Marts in the late 70's.
Correct sir. These were the early direct editions.
I always wondered about those Whitman variants, great vid Reg, love this early morning knowledge drop. Early to bed, early to rise, makes a Soldier healthy, strong and wise. Love the books bud, I recently found a Super Friends Whitman variant in the Dollar bin for the win. Comic Book Soldiers ACTIVATE 🤜💥🤛💪
Yea I def do search for the Whitman's when hunting bronze age books. I have a couple of those eternals Whitman's. I recently picked up my personal grail wwbn32 and that was a UK price variant quite rare. Have a great day regie.
I have quite a few of these variants. As a kid in the 70's, I would go with my mom to the grocery store and they would have the three packs hanging up on display. Almost weekly, I would get a new 3 pack. I always thought that they were second prints or felt that they were subpar to the regular prints. Thanks for providing this information.
Boom!
I thought they were just unsold books offered in a new package.
I noticed I had bought a hulk book with the diamond, and looked into it. Ended up going through and found I had a nice little stack of these
Just recently bought a sealed Whitman 3pack for Battlestar Galactica. Will be kept sealed in my collection.
I have a Whitman comic of Superman vs Muhammad Ali. I've seen the DC version is going for about $500. I have no idea what mine is worth
I've heard of WHITMAN variants for many years especially those early MARVEL STAR WARS issues back in the late 1970's. I don't believe I have any because like someone mentioned in the comments they were considered fake comics back them. I remember those packs of comics being sold in places like WOOLWORTHS or MAYS department stores.
After looking at your other video and further investigation the diamond with barcode with the line through it ended in 1979. This is also rarer than the newsstand for example for uncanny x-men 130 was the last x-men direct to have a line through the barcode with diamond price, then it changed to the Spidey face for 131.
The small diamond remained until 1982 with issue 162 introducing the M shaped price and number. This stuff is just pretty cool to me.
I love the obscure print history part of the channels, defs one of my favorite videos on your channel and give me a reason to start digging in my shorts.
Dig away my dude. There’s gold in them there shorts!!!
Funny you make this video, cause going through my spidey PC the other week I noticed my ASM 172 cgc 9.8 had the diamond and was doing research on it. They are more rare. So when I went digging they were actually harder to even find to buy. Thanks Regie! 👊🏼
15 or so years ago the otherwise-knowledgeable CGC forum veterans would argue adamantly that Whitman variants were reprints and warranted consideration only as reprints, disregarding even the minor interest displayed by some collectors. DCs and Gold Keys both explicitly state Whitman on the cover and were well regarded but Marvels were all ignored, with certain issues indicated with price premiums in Overstreet. The whole Whitman thing began around the same time Marvel's Star Wars series was released, with all their reprint editions, so I'm sure that led to a lot of folks assuming any book with the same characteristics was a reprint. There's a fairly lengthy informative article here that goes into detail with Marvel's Whitman editions, listing all known issues:
www.bipcomics.com/showcase/Direct/index.php
Well done brother. Well done. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I’ve often wondered about the Diamond Issue number. Pops up now and then in my collection. My Wolverine 1 have a diamond but so does the image on gocollect.
Marvel also used a Diamond at one point. It was a skinny Diamond versus the Whitman which is chunky.
Collecting those variants are subjective. For those people who collect them and wants to pay the ridiculous price, then more power to them. I for one collect first issues, first appearances, and Errors. Like misprints, factory folded covers, multiple covers, and upside down comics. I even have a teenage turtles with wrong covers. I stay away from those DC logos, variant pricing i.e. Canadian price, Whitman, and Mark Jewelers inserts. As I was saying "to each his own". But I have few of the Whitman's from a set inside a bag bought from K-Mart back in the day
Just a reminder too that at least with Marvel, my mail subscription back int he day were always newsstand comics.
Yesss Professor Regie with the lesson of the day! I love it! Thanks for taking the time to explain the Whitman variants, I had definitely heard of them but didn’t really know the deal. Now we do! 🙌✨
Great historical info video Regie!
I have a few Whitman Diamond variants in my collection. I also noticed alot of them have a black diagonal slash printed across the UPC newsstand codes. Have you pulled any of those in you boxes?
Also wanted to ask, Do the Marvel books with the Whitman "W" smile face logo fall into this category??
Good God, I am in there, I have so many of those diamond shaped comics, I am winning. Solid video as always.
Make sure. You are looking for the fat diamond. Marvel used a slim Diamond at some point and the two are similar.
Greaat vid, well presented.
*OKAY* - so we did a deep dive on this. The rare books happen for about 6 months in 1977. Those Diamond pricings, including the blank UPCs don’t denote Whitman variance.
Between the months of Captain America 207 and 213 (which include books like Invincible Iron Man 100 and Eternals 12, etc), there was the “test roll out phase” where you have the Diamond pricing and the newsstand barcode (not crossed out).
I can’t confirm the 5% ratio, but the Whitman variance is not distinguished, nor is it a different printing from the direct market edition of that time.
The #1 key in my opinion on this particular kind of spec right now would probably be Uncanny X-men 122. It’s already a key with the intro of Mastermind, but it also is the only direct market book of that era (that I’ve seen) that has a square pricing and the UPC slashed. The following issue they move to the Diamond price tag.
So yeah - 1977 for about 6 months. If you can find high grades (especially keys) of Diamond pricing with barcode, those’ll probably be the rarest of those print runs
I have a star wars 16 whitman with blank upc, that is a reprint? Not worth much then?
And here I thought I was the last to know about these haha. Scarcity breeds value.
I remember seeing many of those ‘Whitman’ variants in 3-packs at the local Woolworths back in the late 70’s. Collectors, including myself looked down at those variants for years. I could definitely see the rarity in those books.
Many were well read and not handled well by the kids who had them.
Sorta like newsstand. It will be interesting to see if these perform like newsstands have.
Interesting subject, Regie - thanks! I never knew these "alternate" styled comics were Whitmans! I just looked at photos of my first CGC submission (they're still at CGC, eventually getting graded - oof!), and my Daredevil # 158 looks to be a Whitman variant. My Wolverine #1 Ltd. Series appears to be the Marvel diamond style, not the Whitman. But just to be clear, my Star Wars #1, #2, & #3 Whitmans are not variants, but "Reprints," as the word appears next to Luke in the header, correct? I think they should be more valuable, as they were printed around the same time, more like a second printing, but oh, well! Thanks!
Yes, I do believe that is correct. There are reprints but there are others that were basically printed at the same time and the newsstand.
Know I have one Whitman comic a copy of Battlestar Galactica #1 from 1979. Even CLZ Comics database lists it was a reprint. Great info thank you. Time to go searching through my collective.
Some of them are reprints for sure. Like the popular Star Wars #1. Good luck on the hunt.
These have been known about by collectors for decades matey. Always marked in price lists as whitmans. Overstreet price guide has had them listed since there releases over the years. Overstreet has no app. The hot comic app chases and hot comic list writers are just catching up.
Interesting. If Whitman copies become the next hot thing then could a UK Pence Price Variant follow suit?
Saw them at Kmart back when I was a kid but the top left corner had the Whitman logo designated for DC titles. Had no idea about Marvel copies!
I found a Star Wars #1 Whitman at a flea market last week. I guess I'll hang on to it until folks act like they know!
Those might actually be reprints unlike some of the ones that I am referring too. But, you never know.
Whitman was a comics company
Correct.
WHAAA.....MOST OF MY OLDER BOOKS IN MY COLLECTION HAVE THE PRICE IN THE DIAMOND....I wasn't told why,but that they were less valuable....even some of the major(or popular) "price guides" have them listed as a variant and less valuable.....
And just with NEWSSTAND in general, again, a majority of my collection are NEWSSTAND to the point where these price guides don't have them accounted for or don't have pictures of them. I contributed it to growing up in a small town in Va.I've even tried to contact a certain price guide and tell them...all these "picture not available " newsstand variants ....all mine are newsstand and ask if they wanted pictures.
Less valuable because traditionally reprints have been less valuable. Only now have some decided that "rarity" ends up being important than it not be a "reprint".
For many years, the various variants like this simply didn't matter to the majority of collectors. Now, people are taking notice and caring. Personally, for books I want, I don't care. I actually used to prefer the direct editions because they have artwork in the upc box.
I asked about these on the discord recently! Lol
😂😝
Good stuff thx..
How bout j.c.penny variants or mark jewelers variants they are the same i would think in some respects. I have spectacular spiderman #90. First Frank miller 9.0 j.c.penny & 129 asm mark jeweler also not so easy to find. As we have gotten deep into collecting we see many different books with rare things like dc.u labels as well. This 2020 was my tenth year of serious collecting so i have amassed my dad's collection plus the what i started as a teen. 94 long boxes before i started selling and trading to finish asm, batman& hulk. Thanks to your video's Regie i was able to get books for trade with out pulling out the wallet or little money. Making the hobby pay for itself. Always informative buddy👍🙏🤙
Boom.
Mark jewlers as well
Couldn't help noticing that you have a Justice League 31 on the wall. Just acquired a CGC 9.8 of that book..... So pumped!! Would you consider that a Blue Ocean book? Also, your take on LCS variants, some have very cool artwork and are usually low print but would you consider them a value/spec items?
I think JL31 is a blue ocean book for sure. I want to say that I did a video on it months ago.
I think retailer exclusives are great for the LCS, artist and publishers but personally do not speculation on them like I would other comics. But, that is a personal decision.
You said the Whitman 3 packs were distributed through direct sales? That’s not true, I used to buy the Whitman 3 packs at my local neighborhood corner store for 25 cents. As a matter of fact I still have some of them in my collection today.
This video is more than 2 years old. Help me out with the time stamp where I said that.
Seriously! I just saw the video today and I’m talking 57 years ago when I was a 10 year old kid buying comics.
Never knew this. Guess I'll be diggin in my collection tonight.
Thanks for the education!! I was unaware of this and I've been collecting for 30 years now
This Books with the Diamond logo when you read the information in the copyright area its says reprint.
Only the Star Wars comics, all others are first printings like Reggie says.
Ok so I have a star wars 16 whitman with blank upc , so that's a 2nd print?
I thought whitman was the publisher, but I see marvel comics call as whitman
It’s super confusing. Whitman variants were published by Western Publishing for a variety of publishers. They were produced so comics could be sold at outlets other than convenience stores.
@@RegieCollects thank you Regie for the info
Canadian, Mark Jewelers and Whitmans are good choices. Whitman's are less so because they polybagged stepchildren of the real comics. If you want rare, focus on Canadian and MJ. They were actually on shelves and the nostalgia + rare factor will always trump the just rare factor.
Reggie- Are the Newsstands still hot?
Many Whitman’s were literally printed at the same time as regular comics and in much smaller quantities than direct or newsstand comics. Like newsstands Whitman comics were also in the public domain which is why high grade newsstands are treasured.
I would add that Canadian variants are hard to find in the US but are just comics in Canada so are they really rare?
@@RegieCollects I agree with your assessment of Whitmans from a rarity standpoint. It is that the Whitmans are hated by so many who collected at that time. Nostalgia drives demand partially and Whitman's don't fulfill that part of a by gone era in people's lives.
Check out the Canadian issues. If Whitmans were 5% of a Comic's print run, then Canadians were 2% I believe.
I struggle with the absolute nature of your comments. I don’t think either one of us can speak for all people. Right now there are people out there that collect bagged Whitman comics and are very much apart of some people’s childhoods. To this end nostalgia is very much in play.
I would add that the point of this video is to cast light on a rare and often overlooked and misunderstood collectible. Overlooked because people incorrectly believe that Whitman’s are reprints. The fact is that some are...but others are just as rare as newsstands (in some years). My overall strategy is to put people ahead of the curve and to help them to identify opportunities that may be hidden on plain sight.
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I think you do right by your viewers and make a lot of sense. The premise of your video is spot on. I am not arguing your point or what you told you viewers. All I added was that of the Newsstand Collectors, Whitman’s were hated by more of those people and therefore the demand will be lower. People don’t hate the Canadians and MJ like they do the Whitmans. I do think the absolute demand for Whitman’s is lower. But they are rare and better than a regular NS to your point. Although I’d put the investment into MJ or Canadians because they don’t have the hate
Very enlightening, I remember buying bagged books but most of the time, they were westerns. I have many boxes of comics, I will have to check them out.
Okay you made me go digging (wasn't hard, I am very organized and my collection is NOT 100k) to see if I had Uncanny X-men 118 but nope. Darn.
cool video!
Thanks Regie, as usual cutting through the mirk with clear explanation of the Whitman variants with examples. Collectors who are priced out of some Keys could drive up the price of Whitman variants simply because the Whitman variant at the moment while rare, are not as expensive to purchase. In fact I have seen them in some shops in the dollar bins still in poly bags.
loved to get the latest comics in the 60s right off the spinner rack at the local neighborhood grocery store
Not everything that’s rare is valuable. As others have mentioned, growing up these issues were not desirable as a collector. Having said that, I now must go through my collection looking for these variants. Lol. Good video.
Harry Stones huh? I wonder if that is a made up name... I was digging in my ASM collection and found a "Year of the Reader" Variant. In 1987 congress designated that year as the year of the reader.
What amazing timing. I have an Avengers 186 I was about to sell and checked it today before posting and it’s a Whitman!
I have about 15-20+ Batman
Great video!! Could you do an episode on ghost comics (super rare)??? I am trying to find out more about these...there seems to be ones that are ghosts due to errors in the book or they were promos etc. BTW do you need any assistance with anything?? I can help from a distance
I would be hard pressed to do a video on ghost variants because I don’t know much about them. The ghost has eluded me. 😂😝
@@RegieCollects Same here. I'm trying to remember what video got me started on this....it seems like another aspect to the hobby. I will keep searching. I may have to be the one to do some content on it.
Oh shoot I think I have a healthy number of Whitman variants. I gotta see what I have!
I’d like to think that these would catch on as well. Realistically if it’s a rare as we’re thinking why wouldn’t it add more value, especially in high grade
So funny I am sitting in my nerd Cave watching this video and turn to my right and realize my 1978 marvel star wars #14 is a Whitman variant 😂😂
How about that?!
UK price variants!
Interesting. Where do Mark Jewlers variants fall into this conversation? Are Whitman's rarer?
ua-cam.com/video/ytrVYAbti8w/v-deo.html Depends upon the year.
Rarer is NOT a word. MORE RARE is the correct way to say that.
Thanks for commenting.
Rarer is in the Scrabble dictionary and worth 5 points.
I had thought you were going to say Mark Jewelers variants, but definitely, Whitman’s are rare. I think I’ve only seen a handful in the wild. Great discussion, Reggie!
I touched on MJs moons ago. ua-cam.com/video/ytrVYAbti8w/v-deo.html
What do you think about or know. On the dc universe logo where the upc code should be. Are those rare issues of those key books?
I’m not familiar with those bro. Sorry.
@@RegieCollects ok thanks bro. Great job as always. God bless and keep safe.
@Jesse Castillo
Yes, those are rare too. Over the past 3 years I've found 11 really good condition newsstands, yet in 25 years I've only run across 3 DCU variants.
@@darthken815 cool thanks, I just picked up 2 super boy #9 dc universe logo books. Thought those were very cool.
@Jesse Castillo
You're welcome. And congrats on the Superboys.
Great video Regie! I think the same thing with pre-2020 printings. A vs X 1 7th print is a steal right now.
Dope video as always Regie. I'm definitely going 2 look in my collection for some more of those as I already found a couple. 🤞🤞🙏🙏👊👊
Cool video.
I'm a lazy collector, I think. I understand the rarity and therefore desirability but, personally, it's lost on me.
It'll get there though. The hobby is expanding and changing often. Collectors always need something new to hunt!
Great video! I was wondering about those Whitmans because a friend has some of those for Star Wars. I have nothing to compare it too other than Key Collector so I wasn't sure. Another variant that is getting some love these days is the JcPenny variant and Pressman variant as well. What is crazy is some Newstands aren't as rare as these Whitman variants and really do look like reprints!
Awesome little Easter egg!! and would be fun to incorporate into the find
What's next, people chasing Pence variants? xD
I struggle with pence and foreign language variants but you never know.
I serious think they could be a popular collected item. Rarity is always a hue thing.
After watching this a few months back I decided to purchase a Whitman unopened 6 pack of Star Wars #13-18. I sent them into CGC to get graded and they all came back 9.4-9.6. What they don’t have is Whitman variant on the CGC slab label. Do you think it should, would that raise the rarity and price?
CGC also doesn’t make a distinction between newsstand and direct editions either. And, that has had zero impact on the value of certain newsstands. Congrats on the grades bud.
@@RegieCollects I got those grades because I pressed and cleaned them by watching your tutorial!
Very cool, I have a few of these in my collection as well, I found a Battlestar Galactica #1 with that.