Marshall JCM 800 Studio Classic 20 - Mini and Mean!
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I just revisited this video, great sounding amp. Went over to Sweetwater and it’s $1,699. I don’t care how bad Covid has screwed things up, that is nuts.
@@stratelite1337 Sadly, they cannot ship marshall products to the US... not sure why. Very disappointed, but I had a feeling it was too good to be true.
@@stratelite1337 try getting a Mesa
Marshall in the US, is like Mesa in the UK/EU, grossly up marked and all sorts of import issues/extra charges
It's the same with Mesas here. overpriced af. This amp is about 1000 here. and the mesas are in the 2k range if you can even find one at all.
I agree this 20 watt should be $1000 at most. Glad it sound killer and has full size EL34s but still....shits crazy bro
The appeal of the JCM 800 for me comes from the attack when you have a boost in front of it. Heavier thrashier riffs; the palm mutes come through and give me the same sensation as hitting a 350 lb heavy bag.
JCM's do get flubby, but it's a combination of the upper mid-range attack and the sag and swell of the signal that gives JCM's their voice. They're not an out-and-out "metal" amp, but as demonstrated here; they hold their own if not still outshine some more modern and contemporary amplifiers.
The JCM is a bucket-list amp for me
Boost plus 800 is still my favorite thrash tone. It has something no modern amp does.
Nice amplifier .. just way too expensive!
Sometimes good things cost more.
Great video. I LOVE that you don't do post-processing. Please keep that up. We get a much more honest, real feel for the tone. I was considering one of these. They sound very good, but at $1,400 new in the U.S. I feel they are overpriced for what they are (and out of stock everywhere anyway). I opted for the Ceriatone 2202 instead.
Ceriatone does Marshall better than Marshall. Lol
The jcm 800 is 1400usd?
@@BigTyronie The SC20H is, yes.
Are you still happy with the ceriatone? I’m considering one! Nik said I would love it based on what I play.
this amp had 3 price hikes during covid. its $1750 usd now... i have one i got used for a steal, but NO WAY would i buy this new at 1750. its a silly price.
Now do the DSL 20 for us cheapo ejits. Tried It with the Baddass Od, bumped the 100HZ nob a wee bit and it just crushed.
first dude I seen on YT that actually plays power cords and doesn't noodle the whole time. Love it. Subscribed.
Sounds rad! Shoot it out with a big boy 800?
If it doesn't sell first, yes! Lol
I really want one of these 20w marshalls to practice with. Looking for alice in chains type gain sound without turning my 100w mesa stiletto up. Can you say ouch to your ears?
@@BigTyronie Then get the Friedman JJ.
Yeah! One of the only demos of this amp on UA-cam with proper thrash playing!
It's a shame you didn't try it with the master volume *waaaaay* up. MV at 7 or 8 is where the amp really comes to life. MV at 3 just isn't letting this amp do what it should; if going higher is too loud, you'd be better off going to 5 watt mode IME.
All a matter of personal taste there. I personally don't like the compression that's imparted by having it cranked that high, and prefer it to be loud but punchy as opposed to loud and squishy.
Yeah thicker and a tad more gain
Thank you for playing metal on this!!
Thanks for thanking me!
@@belligerentamateur thank you for thanking me for thanking you! 😉
@@obvioustroll3617 thank you both!
But does it djent?
Thank you for not playing a blues solo for 15 minutes
A JCM with the right pedal sounds like magic. I used to stack pedals at home but when I gigged I didn't do it because I could never make up my mind about what pedals to use in what order. So I usually just used an MXR, Boss or Rat, maybe a Tube Screamer. I went for a more traditional metal tone a la Maiden, Priest, etc.
Ive had this amp for a couple years. I was going crazy because I always read TS + JCM800 is supposed to equal thrash, but the only way I could get the saturation and grit to get a satisfying thrash tone was to use a TS plus another overdrive or boost…so thank you for validating me lol. Also awesome review as usual. Thanks for all of the awesome videos!
Glad I could help!!
The DSL 20 is really amazing as well
This is how Power Trip basically did it.
Did anyone ever find out what happened to Riley? Overdose?
@@josefpdx No, his toxicology report didn't reveal anything, or his family chose to keep the results confidential.
@@josefpdx some kinda overdose though.
@@ternusguitar8012 Thank you.
Funny how the circle of tone continues. You get a SC20, and it sounds thin at low volumes, and it's too loud for home use. So you need pedals. Then you think "pedals compress the natural amp tone, so I need more natural gain!" Then you think Friedman Runt 20, Splawn Mini. Same as when you have an actual 2204/2203! So Marshall really did make a mini JCM 800 2204!
I thought for sure they had el84's. That's awesome..i think it sounds great! wonder if there's 1000$ worth of difference between this and the dsl20 🤔
i played both at the store and bought the jcm but is it $1000 worth more of tone, NO but it just sounded way better soo
On an original 2204/2203 have enough gain to where you'd only need a Tubescreamer or OD/SD-1 to get a basic 'Ride The Lightning' tone. These have less gain. The old amps can be very different amp to amp.
The joys of production back then. Just like Les Pauls. You can get 2 different ones from the same year and they are completely different.
I can totally get a Ride the Lightning kind of tone with my SC20 with just a simple boost. That album has less gain on the guitars than you think it does, but also, IME the SC20 actually sounds more like the old vertical input 2203s than the 2203x does (which is generally less saturated and a bit different in the mids than the original).
I've got this amp and I love it!
Probably the only proper review of this amp for those of us who know 2203/2204's like the backs of our hands. Glad you pointed out the OT differences. This is important.
I tend to steer away from pedals and use the pickups to dictate gain capacity matched with an amp. Your explanation of drive pedals in concert with an amplifier is very informative and I appreciate it. :D Have you ever tried a JVM410 JS? That is my favourite amp I have ever played. The *ONLY* thing I wish is that it had a half/quarter power function. This new little JCM800 is something I think I'm gonna get now. Thank you again and CHEERS!
No problem! Glad you found it helpful!
Amp sounds excellent, great tip on combining overdrives to get these amps sounding more modern and saturated. I wonder how these compare to the Friedman JJ Junior. Really enjoying your content, cheers from the UK!
The JJ is a better value, IMO, but it's still a small power tube 20 watts vs this one having EL34
The new Marshall amps burn some sort of chemical and create a fume. This one and the Mini Silver jubilee did it. I tried several of Marshalls they all do it. And Marshall does not care. Caused me a headache. Another friend of mine said the same. Like a burning chemical smell. Tonally these are ok. But i think the older ones were better quality and less cancerous. The Victory Sheriff is the best alternative to this amp. Absolutely blows this thing out of the water. Friedman Pink Taco the same. Nowadays you gotta ask gearheads " Who makes the best Marshall sounding amp?" rather than getting an actual Marshall.
You ran that into the 4 by 12 Mesa boogie cabinet? At 8ohm?? And it was still super loud? Hell yea think imma by one I’m gonna be running it through a 4 by 12 Marshall can at 8 ohm and hope it is loud enough to hear with my band but quiet enough that sound guys won’t raise hell every show lol
All studio heads sound more gainy because of the lower headroom. Even the 5 watt mode gives you a tad more gain
I was thinking about getting one of these
What cab setup did you use? 2 x 8ohm? 1 x 16? You didn’t use that 4 by 12 did you??? If so what ohm output are the speakers?
Thinking this amp would be perfect for some stoner riffs. Love my Laney Ironheart, but there's just something about a JCM
try using 1 to 10 values instead of reading the clock please, is confusing.
Since I bought this amp and drive it with Maxon st9 pro+ (18volt mode), I forgot my fireball and mini recto… Have now a real death metal sound from early 90s, same one, when I was a teenager! Just back to the roots… Simple, straight in the face with bouncing balls!))))
Killer tones! For people who don't want to spend the money on a Splawn, this and the DSL20/40CR are great options.
But in the used market at the $1,000 dollar price tag I'll take a 50 watt EVH 5150 iii all day long.i just got 5150 iii 50 watt with a matching 2x12 cab for $850.00 can't beat it 🤘🤘
You can find some splawns for around the same price
@@voodoocustompickups2547 Awesome man. Great to hear that, thanks for the comment.
The EVH isn't for everyone, especially if you're looking for a Marshall tone. The amps are aimed at 2 different markets.
@@belligerentamateur agreed
Absolutely love your videos man. If I search for an amp and see you've done a video on it, I can't click it fast enough. Knowledgeable, clear, concise, and with personality - universality from being super specific. Being reliably great is no mean feat, but you make it look easy. Thank you!
Been on the fence about getting one of these but i definitely have to pick one up after i get done with moving into my new house
Sound wise what do you think of this as compared to the DSL20HR?
Gibson Les Paul + Marshall Jcm800 metal 👍
God I can't wait for mine to come!!!! Sound absolutely (excuse my french) fucking brilliant!
Dude, congrats, best review of this amp i`ve seen on youtube (on high sensitivity input), and i`ve seen loads. Great description of how it behaves and sounds. The low sentivity input is also great for cleans and crunch. i bought one a month ago and its a great amp. keep it up dude
I agree 100%
More cab shoot outs please!
Soon!
Like too get the all black one.
Ive been watching you for the past 4 or 5 yrs, Kyle..>You've developed one helluva mean right hand. Way to go. Its tighter and cleaner which translates HUGE for your reviews!
For the money I think the dsl20hr delivers better value.
Absolutely! But, there is always the argument for where it's made and manufacturing cost difference there.
I can't decide between this marshall or orange th30. Could you give me some advices? Great playing btw!
Hey man! Unfortunately, no experience with the Orange, but I can say this is a great little amp!
I have the SV20, love it Rawk!!
Love your content dude, would love if you showcase the DSL20 head. Great playing too!
Very soon man, just got one in!
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Have the DSL 20 watts....does pretty much the same thing for half the price...
Yes and no. The DSL is definitely the better value though
Big iron doesn’t saturate! Everyone wants big transformers, the bigger the transformer - the louder your amp, but you lose compression and harmonics. Bigger the iron the more hifi your tone becomes. The magic of old tweed amplifiers was in their undersized transformers.
Thanks for letting me know you don't know what you're talking about 😃
@@belligerentamateur likewise kid, do yourself a favor and educate yourself and stop the bullshit. ua-cam.com/video/argKWNdXXuE/v-deo.html
@@belligerentamateur do yourself a favor part 2 to educate yourself on output transformer characteristics. ua-cam.com/video/rPClIWGlcYw/v-deo.html
@@belligerentamateur part 3 of your self-education and hopefully the end of your ignorance. ua-cam.com/video/mmijdL6K1XQ/v-deo.html
cool video mate would have been interesting to hear it with the Lynch mod
This video made me subscribe 😂👏👏👏
I guess this doesn't really do clean sounds huh? Does it have a clean channel even?
good video, clear indication of the intentions of the video and this channel in general, good delivery, good tones, well showcased, accurate and knowledgeable exposure of the nature of the 800 circuit regarding brightness and the effect of the gain on the overall tone... well done! ive seen a few of your vids, but this one was the one that made me subscribe. keep it up!
Thank you!!
Gotta love the Soldanos. They actually do go to 11. Lol \,,/
Buy a marshall code head with Engl or mesa cab or
Being a bedroom player, I’ll take this ANY FUCKING DAY. I can’t afford one right now, but it’s all good. I have a great alternative in my 6505 mh. It’s definitely not a Marshall, and the tone is definitely way more “American”, than British, but it still sounds fucking awesome with my Maxon OD-9 on the front.
So pity you don't change anymore at the 2nd part for a drop C tuned guitar like you used to do in past vids
Literally just did it on a video last week
Horrid. Good video, but the sound is an abomination
I had this amp and it is a killer amp. Especially for recording and playing live in a band setting. However - and with a little help from this channel - I ended up selling it to fund a 50w Splawn mini head. All the 800 clarity and tones with more gain on tap. Now I'm just waiting on my Ceriatone Chupacabra build and I'll be set on Marshalls.
Run a mxr 12 band EQ. In the loop turn it in to a monster. 😁
Or the Mesa Boogie 5 band EQ?
@@johnsaras1 not much rather have amazing boogie Mark 5 for sure dude ultimate amp I think when things are like $6,000
Cool video Kyle 👍 wanna get my first Marshall lunch box amp and trying to decide between this SC20H Studio and the budget DSL20HR. I’m an 80s thrash guy … just wondering if forking over the extra dough for the Studio is worth it ? Any thoughts ?
Nice this is probably my favorite tone from the vids you’ve done.
Use to think the Marshall JCM800 was the best Amplifiers until I got myself a older Vox Valvetronix hybrid Amplifiers with real 12Ax7 Tubes not what they have today with the Nutubes much much more versatile and better tones than the Marshall's..wish Vox would reissue them
I have the combo. It's alright but the 10" speaker sucks. I'm planning to sell it.
these are still $1600 so to me an og jcm 800 is the way to go
Have you tried the LynchMod yet?
I got one recently and put it in my 1978 2203 and it slays! I don’t know if I go for the same tones you do, so it would be interesting to see what you thought about it.
Yes! I put it in my 2203 JMP and it's a game changer. Absolutely love it
Excellent. Thanks! 🤘🏻
Quote of the day. "They really missed the opportunity to go to 11 here..." Love it! Excellent video and content as usual. Thanks bro.
Haha! Glad you enjoyed!
I've got the mini JCM800, mini Plexi and the DSL20H. They're three great amps, and sound amazing when you start throwing in EQ pedals in the front and in the effects loop.
Agreed. I really like this one
Wondering what EQ you like for the Effects loop, what you're looking to get from it and how its set up for what your looking to get? Thank You 🙂
@@JSvideotv I run a parametric EQ in the effects loop, the aim is to tweak the sound after the preamp/gain stage. It helps to tame any unwanted frequencies, or boost some that aren't quite prominent enough. It's all really an effort to get that "sound in your head".
Dude im hip !! My DSL20 i run a compressor set loose for the tone knob and level, and run a TSE tube pilot its stays tight !!!!
Just picked one of these up off Craig's List and sold my Mini Jubilee. It kills. I have it along with my JCM 2000 DSL 50. It does have more gain than the original which is a big plus. Does it sound exactly like the originals?, no, but close enough and no one would ever know. And so easy to carry. But it has that 800 growl/ tone and feel when playing it. I sold my 82 2204 3 years ago and missed that tone. Now it's back. Put a clean boost in front sounds awesome too. It has plenty of gain with a pedal. Want more gain use the DSL. Both pure Tube signal path. Also sounds killer with Celestion G12t-75 speakers & Greenbacks. Keep in mind the 800 was never designed for Metal, it was a blues amp but when cranked became a hard rock amp. (not metal). Then people started to mod them to get more gain.
Hey Alan K, does the SC20H sound small compared to the JCM 2000 DSL 50? I am looking at these heads for studio and have found higher watts, bigger transformers tend to bring more bass and a bigger sound. Hoping for some input here. Thanks,
@@X9Eric Yep your correct. I love the tone better on the SC20h but I played with a band the other night first time using amp and didn't have much low end. My tech guy told me last week higher wattage = more low end thump. It's not just about volume. I think I'm going to sell the SC20. I love playing it at home but in the band was disapointed. Also the effects loop volume drop when it's on is huge.
@@guitarexpert2245 thank you SO much that is great real world information!
I can´t tell from a yt vid of course but I had a Jcm 800 2203 and does this small one comes close to the balls that the big one has?
the 2203 sounds huge ballsy (hard to explain).
Think this amp with some distortion and fuzz pedals stacked will do doom metal, can you get Electric Wizard out of this ?
Honestly it seems nice but I really don't think I'd buy one personally as a dedicated thrash metal type guy. Based on numerous reviews I've watched here including one from you all on the DSL20hr I would far rather buy the dsl20 as that thing sounds hard as hell all on its own without any effects at all in front of it which for me is somewhat of a necessity , I need to be happy with how the amp sounds on its own with zero external effects for me to consider buying it and the dsl20 based on the reviews seems like it can hold it's own in that aspect , especially for the classic thrash metal type stuff I'm into, bonus is it's like half the price of this amp you tested here.
Your good at dialing in amps Bro. Fantastic job !
Best video on a JCM 800 20 watts. I own this one. What I reaally like about it is that you can either push it to the limits with boosters or have the more traditional Marshall sound without them. I would be very much interested in how you dial in the tone and volume settings of your Les Paul. Thanks
Those lil' bastards sound huge man!! Pushed with an SD-1! Killer!!
Sounding phat.
Great playing and tones! What are the speakers in the cab? V30s?
Yes, vintage 30
#zerothumbsdown
Great review,man ! Thanks. Still deciding myself to get this or go Orange.
Sounds great to my ears
You give me GAS like no one else on UA-cam haha.
OOPS
I was going to ask if you thought it was loud enough to play with a band, I'm glad you confirmed that. I do play metal but I primarily play old school punk and Deathrock so the amp on its own would have enough gain for me and the power tube saturation would be nice too. I can't afford something like a 2204 or 1987x which is what I'd really love to have but I'm always worried 20 watts wouldn't cut it live but I suppose I could slave it out to someone like a powerstage 170 if I really needed to. I know a guy who uses a 30 watt Marshall artist head and a 2x12 and he keeps up just fine so I feel like with 20 watts and 4x12 I'd be okay haha. Thanks for the super informative videos as always!
hello great video! from your review seems it's possible to use this marshall with 2 overdrives.... I would set gain (not for metal tone, more crunch I think) to have clean tone when I roll back the guitar volume and add the first overdrive for riff tone and the second one for solos...do you think it's possible? (I'm searching for 80's Iron Maiden/NWOBHM classic tone)
Second question: do you think it's possibile to use this marshall in 5W mode at home? In particular in a condominium? Now i'm using a Blackstar HT1 (1W) and it's a good volume for a apartment building, but I want a marshall old school tone =)
Favorite Les Paul that Gibson’s offers. I have that same classic in the sunburst finish.
Cool that Matt Damon is on UA-cam reviewing guitar gear
I have the JCM800 combo and I was trying to dial it in but was having issues getting that exact sound that you pulled out. Thanks for this video it helped me out a lot!! 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
Hey Kyle, great playing and video covering the JCM 800. I am looking at the mini JCM 800, JCM DSL100 or JCM 2000 TSL 100. Hoping for some insight here as I am concerned that when you compare them the JCM 800 might sound thinner and smaller due to lack of tubes and transformers. Which is your fave Marshall head and why and which would you recommend for studio use using IR's?
Thx for this vid bud! Glad I returned mine at $1800 and stuck with my $800 dsl 20h even with its faults
Thank you for the detailed review and because of you I just found out the best overdrive pedal (deadweald duality) Thank you ~!!!! You got yourself a new subscriber~!!!!
Hey @Kyle Bull do you have some sort of tutorial on stacking boosts? I've been experimenting with stacking boosts in front of my DSL40 and applying the same methodology to my preamp pedals. I've found that the TS808 and Horizon Drive work well together.
I love that you actually mic cabs! So tired of hearing load boxes and ir’s.
THANKS
You said it yourself, “I have three other JCM800s, and I have no use for this”. My sentiments exactly. Some things are better left alone. And that little crunch box ain’t no legit 800. It sounds a ‘feels’ small, doesn’t react the way the real 800 does. And if it can’t pull that off at 20 watts, it’s useless.
Don't agree with a single point you make here, but to each their own.
Hey Kyle, please try a Marshall Valvestate 8100 Head some day. Maybe the amp is older than you but in my opinion the sound is still modern, warm and fat and the Contour Knob is the Holy Grail 😀
great video man! it didnt seemed like you engaged the tubescreamer (i have got one and hope to hear how it sounded ) 😁
Love the tone of both this and the overdriven 2210 in your other vid. Would you recommend one over the other?
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Hey Kyle, love the JCM800 series. Had a '83-'85 2205 and it was so bad ass. Is the Deadweald or however you spell or say it basically a TC Integrated pre-amp pedal version, or is more a TS as you said ? I have just gotten one and i like it. Am I thinking of another pedal ? Thanks-
What is that pedal in the middle that you didn't use ? Pro Drive ? Thanks-
Its probably a Ceriatone ha