I actually wish they kept this like, just seeing THIS unfinished, idea, basically, felt like i watched an entire movie itself, like, wtf disney. I loved this so so so much
The only problem was that they were focusing on Nick too much. The main character was Judy. That's what the whole movie is about: Judy Hopps achieving her dreams even though others say otherwise.
@@Bella-pd6wx No they are both main characters. It was mentioned in the beginning that at first they wanted to focus the story with Nick as the main character, but later scrapped the idea as that wouldn't work with the optimistic perspective.
Jirapat Thaenphromrat yes, I know they’re both main characters. In an interview, they were saying it wouldn’t work for this because it focused too much on Nick
If I made this a prequel, I would make it about Nicks father and how Wild Times taught prey animals that shock collars were not necessary any more. At least that's how it would fit.
Heck yea man. Though he’s not really the best fox character sadly. Not that I don’t like Nick, he’s a great character but personally my favorite Fox character is and will always be Fantastic Mr Fox. That movie was an underrated masterpiece
Or maybe in the sequel, the mayor of zootopia implements the shock cloar, which every predator has to wear. So that if they get too aggressive, they get shocked rather than a medicine because he says, it's too expensive or something something, nick makes the wild park, and after some time, Judy hopps becomes suspicious about nicks relaxed behavior, so she secretly follows him and discovers the park, and when the predators find out, they become panicked and starts running and come out to find the police waiting for them, nick gets arrested, judy tries to help him escape, they go in court, the mayor stops the implements of the collar, nick makes the park from secret to puplic park.
They said the collars wouldn’t really fit in the story but I say it would make the story better, giving a better reason than just ettiquite for the carnivores behavior
My dad was an animator for this movie, so I know one of the reasons they didn't go with this idea is because they thought the shock collar thing was to dark and inhumane for a place that's supposed to be considered perfect. Edit: To anyone who wants to talk about my dad, please don't. This comment was meant for me to give a reason why this version of the movie wasn't the end result, not to talk about my dad. Edit: To anyone who says that that was the entire point of the movie, I know, but that wasn't the point I was making. The point is that it wasn't subtle at all.
Well that would add to the message tbh, like it's seen as perfect and free even though they have the collars. Like the oppression is just normalized for that society but the audience would see how messed up it is on their own. It would've definitely been more dystopian and a more powerful way to show how backwards the society is
@@KicksPregnantWomen Not with the shock collar part but it is similar because America is supposed to be 'perfect' but it really ain't. There's still a lot of diversity between races, sexuality, and religions.
To be honest, the shock collar idea could be possible as a sequel to the first movie. Especially seeing as how the plot was about predators going savage. And because Mayor Lionheart is still in prison (for kidnapping the victims) his replacement could have enforced this new law.
Man I wish... I just...I can't see it happening. 😕 the way that the story ended was such a closed circle that I dunno how they would get from there to wild times. Unless unless perhaps they picked up the story with Judy and Nick's grandkids? Like maybe Judy will be telling her grandbunnies about her police days then one of 'em will go "Wait why didn't the polar bear get shocked?" And Judy cringes and it has a flash back to the day the law gets passed and all the protests and nick getting hurt and all of that pain and Judy tells her grandbunnies "well...they didn't have a collar bun. They weren't a law when I was a cop" and the baby bunnies are all in shock like "what?! Predators didn't wear collars back then? How did you survive." And Judy is just like woah woah! Predators are not dangerous buns who told you that? All the little bunnies look ashamed and say that they heard it from their friends at school. A Judy is just like nah uh everybody in the car and she takes them to meet nick and he tells them all about the collars and how horrible they are and gets shocked in the process and the bunnies get inspired and make friends w/ Nick's granddaughter and they go protest the collars at city hall and raise a big fuss and the movie ends w/ the Predators being freed and the herbivores slowly apologizing and letting go of their fear. Dunno just had a thought and ran with it.
They going to forced a reelection and zootopia found out that it was cause by a drug which they would immediately just ban the use and make it a criminal offense to produce or even hold such weapon
I feel like this concept would work better as a Prequel rather then sequel because it would show and explain how predators where practically persecuted into becoming model citizens leading to the collars no longer being needed in the movie we got, and offer some contrast to why pray animals still hold onto their prejudice and fear of them reverting to their wild states, and Nicks amusement park could just be something that flopped after collars were banned and that's why we see him running small time cons and on hard times in the main film when Judy first meets him
The shock collar made the message even more powerful. I can see it was a little too risky to implement for Disney. But it added a dark, beautiful twist from what I've seen.
I wish they kept the original version, I like this darker version...and most important of all, Disney could have open a wildetimes section in Disneyland and I will pay all my money to go thereeeeee
"The whole plot revolved around them taking off their tame collars. In the story, it just...didnt have a place." Dude you can hear the sadness when he says that. I'd much prefer the collar version of this movie. Nick would have made a much better protagonist
Predator attends collage Predator is a successful student Predator is praised by piers and teachers Predator gets diploma Predator: WOOHOO! THIS IS THE BEST DAY OF MY- *SHOCK*
There was actually a sequence like that planned. Basically Judy and nick were hiding in a room and that room was being used for a kids birthday party. The kid turned old enough to get his shock collar. His dad puts the collar on (somberly) with a half smile tell the kid he is a man now. The kid gets really really happy and than *SHOCK*. The kid looks up to his dad with tears in his eyes and they hug.
It's so sad, how all these animators are really excited about this sequence. Hundreds of animators and artists worked on this idea, polishing it, thinking up clever ideas for it, creating beautiful artwork for it.. And then the whole thing was removed entirely, not because the idea was bad, but because another part of the movie changed and made the idea invalid. How disappointing that must be. I really hope they bring this back in Zootopia 2 somehow!
Like maybe an alternative universe or something that they discover. They did that in Cinderella, so it's not out of Disney's capabilities. Of course, they would need a believable way of doing it. I'm imagining something Back to the Future style where a suspect accidentally (or purposefully, I saw a comic where Bellwether does something like this) screws something up and it changes the future. I lost the name of the comic I mentioned earlier where Bellwether does this, but she kills a child Judy, so it's definitely a lot darker.
Maybe a case Judy and Nick are on leads them to a section of the city that's run down and abandoned. Nick suddenly wants them to go anywhere else but there. Judy argues that they're here for the case and proceeds to a warehouse that's dilapidated. She looks up and sees a sign that says Wilde Times. Turning to her partner, she sees him looking despondent and asks if this was one of his old cons back in the day. Nick gets a serious look on his face, almost angry and explains that Wilde Times was his father's dream, what it was about, and how in the end its shutting down was a factor in why his father was no longer around. This would play a key factor, bigger than the muzzle incident, in Nick's attitude and decision to become a con-mammal from when Judy first met him. (Note in the first movie we see Mrs. Wilde but no Mr. Wilde). Just a little character background/ world building that I thought up on the spot.
i hope they make a sequel based on this idea though and just use a work around on the idea so like Nick eventually quits the Police Force and does his own thing / dream cos essentially being a cop was Judys dream not nicks
Anabelle Ferreira it's not. It helped building the current zootopia, it was a step in the creation process, they learnt and experimented from it and that led them to what the film is today.
I hope they make a prequel with this idea. It would retroactively give Nick even more reason to be as down/negative as he was in Zootopia with such a Wild Times ending up getting busted. But I wonder what the happy end would then be.
@@splitframe well...the happy end could maybe be that the major would be the lion we know now, who would fix the policy so noone would have collars. So like at least something. This whole concept could be like when the major was a prey, so he had all the predators have collars. Half way through, the one chubby cheetah guy (forgot his name) would maybe want badly to become a policeman, still helping out Nick a bit he would know about the Wild Times, which the previous prey major would offer him his job for. He knew that there was something for the predators, but didn't know where. That's when the bust down happens. The cheetah friend however doesn't become a policeman and gets arrested along with Nick and those who were attending at the Wild Times. And the happy end could be the coming of the new major. Like when the predators didn't have any other joy now, they'd maybe be more angry and wild. But, then would come our dreamy lion major, young at that time, who would want to become the major. There could start something. Like that he would want Nick's help for he had the idea of Wild Times. Then would start their journey of voting and getting their votes from the predators but preys as well and all! Then could come our happy end of the new major coming...though the loss of Wild Times would be still very sad...but the collars would be removed, so that would be a big positive and a way to the Zootopia we know now
Oh yeah, they did mention in Zootopia that mayor Lionheart was only elected recently and that his election was very progressive. Wild Times getting taken down in favour of the collars being removed and Lionheart becoming mayor would be a great transition.
I mean, the way marvel writes it makes the story very different. (Which is a point my friend brought up and also hated). For an example, during the Infinity Wars movie, when Gamora asks Starlord to kill her, Drax immediately becomes the comic relief not a minute afterwards. And this is something that becomes apparent in a lot of movies. This is most likely why the Marvel movies do so well with the children.
I feel with the shock collars it did make me dislike that world, but with that just made Wild Times more rewarding to see the predators taking off their collars and not worrying about being emotional and just seeing the happiness on their faces and when a mother is removing the collars on her children is just so heart warming and Nick's con moves are what to thank for it!
Graduating tiger: hey I just graduated :D IM SO HAPPY *SHOCK* Tiger on his first date: I'm nervous but also REALLY EXCITED *SHOCK* Tiger getting married: I do *happy* .......... *SHOCK* tiger having there first kid: aww hes so cute AAH IM FINALLY A DAD.... *SHOCKKKKKK* Mate what a sad life that would be XD
The concept of the tame collar really drives in the message of oppression more. Maybe in a sequel, we could have nick and judy visit another country where the discrimination against predators are even worse and this is where we would see the usage of the tame collar. Not only are we able to bring back the concept of the tame collar, but now we can also put in parallels to how discrimination varies in different degrees across the world.
@@Folfah you sound like an asshole. just calling people CHILD like that. if the only thing you have over another person is that you’re older than them, that’s a pretty lame thing to brag about. like wow you were born earlier. IF you actually were! one of the most narcissistic things you can say, since it shows that you insist on taking pride in something beyond your control. that you’re happy to insult another person for being born later. i’m not even kidding it reveals a lot about your character.
They didn't 'cut' it persay as it was never in the movie in the first place - they were still storyboarding everything. There was probably a dozen other storyboards for completely different plots before this one.
I love the Zootopia that we ended up getting, but... I would be lying if I said I didn't wish we could see this version. It's such an interesting concept, I have to wonder what it would've been like as a full movie...
Could have been about Judy stumbling upon Wild Times and immediately wanting to shut it down but Nick convinces her it's a good thing, and together they try to eventually integrate it into normal society or something.
I think this would have been a better way to start the series and have Judy's story be the sequel. This helps to set the tone of the world that they are in and after everything Predators would be able to live without collars BUT since this place was open for so long there is still a stigma about Predators and then that leads into Zootopia's story that we got.
And it can always be a prequel... The story could start with Nick and Judy chatting about in their break time which leads to nick telling a story about how the world is like in the past for predators which will lead to this story... But these form of storytelling always made me feel claustrophobic, so it'll be better if it's told in a different way, but yeah... It could be a prequel.... Maybe....
maybe if they had a new continuous storyline as an aftermath of the first and implemented this whole concept so it's narrowed down to like max 20 minute running time of flashbacks and rest is current (or even someplace that isn't zootopia that's "backwards" is visited for a little bit, i mean they spent a decent portion out of it in the first anyway). @@Zyntherion2202
There was actually a scene where judy and nick are sneaking through a birthday party where a baby polar bear gets his collar, and he thinks it's a big celebration because it means he's a big bear now, so they clip it on and he's excitedly laughing and being an excited CHILD, and his father is BEGGING him to calm down, but it's too late, he's given a harsh zap, the room goes quiet and the cub breaks down into tears and runs to his dad for protection
@@TalesOfOriait's been three months, but if I remember correctly, I once saw it in one of three parts talking about this original plot on a channel called Davvid
Oh yeah I’ve seen that. Also worth noting that the little bear, Morris, his father, Koslov, wasn’t happy to put the collar on and hesitated before fastening it. Koslov’s collar went yellow as he was hesitating, and Morris asked if he was ok. Koslov said he’s just happy for the lil bear. When Morris got shocked, Judy’s smile disappeared and Nick’s collar went yellow.
@@maggiegodfrey8928 well... in one hand, you got one male protagonist and two male secondary characters, no female cast. In the other, you got str0ng femAle protAgonist and a male. Which one would feminists prefer? 👁👄👁
I honestly could give a fudge of who someone looks like or what gender they are as long as they have a strong character and good acting in a movie or tv show. So I do this this zootopia is a great alternative idea. Maybe a different reality in the zoo universe which would be cool to see
@@arthurgrenaderov4476 instead of judging it from how it looks, try to focus on the story. The character development, feeling and intensity of the show was an absolute marvel to behold.
My biggest question yet still remains unanswered. *WHERE ARE ALL THE BIRDS AT?!?!* Edit: Even the movie "Sing" has birds in it. There's no theory! Birds, reptiles, amphibians, and aquatics have rights too! Edit 2: And I do concur with the idea that invertebrates are a source of food, as it is very unlikely for such organisms to accustom to technology.
Hmmm, I was thinking the same thing. I figured that it is just one city in a world run by animals, so maybe they just don't like to live city life, for some reason. They could all just be chillin in different parts of the world...maybe?
Well I wouldnt say nothing, most movies work very hard on stuff and scrap it later but it all leads to develop great films. I can agree, It is kinda weird tho
Dude this is such an amazing idea. I really REALLY hope they can find a way to bring this back whether it's in a different movie or a zootopia sequel. Unfortunately, I don't think it'll work in a sequel but I really wish I could see it with the characters I already know, especially Nick.
comments: This story is better Meanwhile, in alternate timeline where this one be the movie and the one we see don't Alternate comments: that one is better
in my perspective, if Wild Times was released instead of Zootopia people would definitely pick on it and say "yuck has Disney gone real furry" or something like that. One thing that's made Zootopia untouchable from picking on is because of Nick Wilde's characteristic. Zootopia was much, much better and just because Wild Times was interesting doesn't make it better than what people got.
@@pleasemyytcommentsaredumb.8189 ...What? Zootopia has already been picked on for being furry, not that it has stopped Disney from making furry films in the past (Robin Hood was made in 1973 for crying out loud). They just got rid of a really interesting plot and some really good scenes. The Zootopia we got was really good, but it could've been much better. Disney is just too afraid of taking these kinds of risks nowadays which is a shame because the potential is just... crazy.
@@pleasemyytcommentsaredumb.8189 ...Because collar kinks? The Zootopia we got doesn't have a bad plot, it just doesn't have as much potential. The Wild Times plot actually fits in with the anthropomorphized animals theme even more, but now they just took the first part out and made a furry film for the sake of it rather than take on a unique idea that we're now never going to see. Disney making furry films is nothing new, but actually going through with anything like Wild Times is, and it's not like they ditched it for the reasons you mentioned. They just don't go with anything dark like Bambi anymore. Wild Times would've gotten more attention for all the right reasons than Zootopia did for the wrong ones. I have nothing against furries. I like anthros, I just wish we got Wild Times instead because it sounds so perfect, at least to me. It would probably make it into the number 1 spot for me if it DID get made.
Not gonna lie, although I liked the idea this one, I prefer the one they used. Why? Because it simply shows a predator and prey getting along and working together . Nick and Judy's relationship was actually normal and they eventually became partners at the end.... But I'm so up for this version!!
With a longer movie, they could have done both. Instead of the collars always having been there, they could put the collars on them after the sheep becomes mayor. Then that period of the movie, before Judy solves everything, lasts a few years instead of however long it lasts currently.
idrk, but I think they were afraid it wouldn't really fit to children to see that kind of cruelty on-screen... it's sad, because it was actually an amazing plot.
what @cae pow said, i believe i read somewhere that the test audience (pixar and disney tend to help each other out) thought this version of the movie was too dark for children. so they had to change the whole thing and make it a little less cruel/more child friendly. they made judy the protagonist because she radiated more positivity contrary to nick's cynical/pessimistic character. if i remember correctly judy wasn't that optimistic in the first version either.
@AiSEL IRAl wtf, no. The idea was against racism. Their were female predatory animals in this too. The reason it was scarped was a mix of it being “too dark” for kids, and them being worried about the backlash with the racism. So zootopia down played the racism and made Judy the main because she’s more positive and sees the world in a good way.
I saw other people saying they should release the initial plot as a comic of what could have been. I totally support this as the plot is awesome and can stand on its own two feet 👌🏻 I'd buy it.
I mean it wouldnt make sense the only reason half of the stuff happens is because of the shock collars which dont exist in our zootopia with Judy and everything
It should come back in a sequel, but in a different corrupt city where predators are forced to wear tame collars, and lot of other corrupt things, and Nick/Judy duo find out, and want to fix that city with something like Wild Times
While I don't think that this plot would work in a zootopia sequel, I do think that it could work maybe as a short film that comes with the DVD or maybe a graphic novel.
Like, instead of nick making Wild times, ITS HIS DAD THAT MAKES IT! BECAUSE WE NEVER GOT TOO SEE HIS DAD IN THE MOVIE! (Remembers that he is responding to a 2 month old comment)
Same. But it would've been cool if Nick said to Judy in the film(maybe towards the end) that he had Wild times as a crazy idea he had when he was young or something like that.
Id love to see a prequel film with Nick and Finnick running this con. They can even keep the collar idea but maybe age the characters back a few years to show there was a time predators where treated differently, Nick could be responsible for why they don't wear the collars anymore, even clawhauser being in the film would be cool, you got his comic relief presence and the story shows us how he became a cop as a side thing. It basically writes itself
They could still fit it into the original story, just have the plot end where it's unknown that Nick is the one to start that change and is left uncredited, but then everyone else is free now though
I absolutely love this idea. So much thought and energy went into this and it just seems like a creative idea. Now don’t get me wrong, I absolutely adore the version of zootopia that we got, but I think this could have been amazing to watch to. I think they should make this a mini movie. In how to train your dragon, they have a few short stories and I think Disney should do something like that with this idea. This should be a flashback to nick’s life before they got a predator as a president and before Judy came along. Just an idea.
@@Darkey4321 The plot of Zootopia goes on about Predators reverting back to their feral instincts while Beastars tackles more on predation and the relation between herbivore and carnivore (not prey and predator)
@@Darkey4321 but, the similarity I think, between Zootopia and Beastars is the division and all of the other -isms between Carnivore/Predator and Herbivore/Prey, both shows explored on how this affected their society
They could make a sequel out of this dropped plot. What I recommend is that instead of shock collars, there could be a plot point about everyone falling under observation by the government and being required to wear collars with their ID showing at all times. On top of that, everyone's activities are being regulated and monitored and people are afraid to do anything exciting anymore. People feel unsafe and oppressed because they feel like they are permanently being watched by this omnipotent, tyranical force, so they go to "Wild Times" to escape this feeling of paranoia and oppression. They could restrict this idea to predators or they can include prey as well. Beavers and Hippos would probably enjoy the Bite Me game. As the park gets more successful it grows and becomes more technological advanced and is eventually found out and, well, something happens... maybe involve the mob in all of this as one of the major driving antagonistic forces and the fact that the main characters are police officers as a big risk on their part, though law enforcers and government officials could be in on the whole thing which adds another element of danger to being found out.
The collar prejudice thing had a lot of potential. I actually had a sort of fanfiction for awhile in my mind of a story where Nick and Judy had been promoted to detectives, and Zootropolis was reaching out with diplomatic relations to other territories and cities around the world, and during the story one of these otherTerritories/countries were having a very hard criminal problem and to help relations Zootropolis would send two of their best detectives to help a.k.a. Nick and Judy, and when they got there they noticed that the city was very prejudiced with all the predators having been collared.
They definitely need to use these concepts for Zootopia 2 in one form or the another. Nick is a really strong character and even if the status of main is changed, the movie will still go strong.
I liked the both sides of the story but I feel like Disney should use this dark side for Zootopia 2. I would like to see if Swinton try to usurp the mayor position, therefore legalizing the tame collars, thus making Nick the protagonist to use his idea for predators to be individuals
yeah like because of animals going savage an actavist group petitioned for all predatos to wear T.A.M.E. collars so, Judy and Nick create Wilde times but the predators there don't trust Judy
11:14 "I dont know HOW we are gonna do it but it'll reappear" Disney.... *DISNEY* THE REAL DISNEY STUDIO SAID THIS AND THAT IS A TOTAL OBVIOUS SENTENCE FOR "There is gonna be a Zootopia 2" Edit: So no Zootopia 2 but there’s a mini series called Zootopia+ coming to Disney+ November 9th 2022!
I just thought about it and this story can be the prequal to zootopia 2, this can take place before nick becomes a police officer. the end would tail that the mayor would ban all shock collars and then it would proceed to the ending of zootopia 1.
I’m actually really glad they ditched the collars. I think the allegory works a lot better when the prejudice against predators isn’t immediately obvious. Plus, the final version allows for the tension to exist not just between predators and prey, but all species. It seems that in the original draft, Judy was just a straight laced cop who slowly started to realize how bad the preds have it. Her whole story seems to be an invention of the decision to get rid of the collars and give her a larger role.
The problem is that it made the story much less interesting, and just became "racism bad" rather than a new idea for a dystopia. The movie we got didn't go that deep into whatever ideas they had left because they just cut the movie in half and the writers had to figure out how to fill in the gaps.
@@TrickyRover - the Wild Times version of Zootopia could _also_ be boiled down to “racism bad.” Both stories have their pros and cons. But, ultimately, they’re different stories with a similar foundation. There’s no real point in arguing whether or not one’s better than the other.
@@demosthenes995 I've seen it plenty of times. Wild Times had more running themes when Zootopia's POV is Judy being a hypocrite and finally finding out as a cop for the first time that maybe predators didn't have it so great, and all of its plot points were done better in Wild Times.
@@KlutzyNinjaKitty There is actually a real point in debating, so we can learn from these two movies and make better ones in the future and not repeat our mistakes. Wild Times had crazy potential that was tossed away, Zootopia had filler that needn't exist and it was barely a dystopia.
@@TrickyRover why do you insist on the dystopia point, it's not supposed to be viewed that way. Zootopia is supposed to look like an utopia, and imo the tame collars is way too on the nose with it's moral lesson. I like how in the final version we follow judy's pov thinking that the city is like the best place on earth and slowly realizing it's flaws. In this version, while interesting, starts fucking depressing man
Blue Pearl i wouldn't have minded if it was as dark as it would've been. The kids probably wouldn't have realized how dark it was, i mean, I watched chicken run when i was around 4-6 years old.
Dear Disney, please make a Wild Times theme park in real life so that your animators can feel like their idea didn't go to waste... and for all of your loving Zootopia fans who would sell their house just to experience that. Thank you.
I think this would've been a really good story as this plot would reflect on real events. I would really like to see this version animated in the future.
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't make a whole entire new movie out of Wild Times, since they said they wanted to bring it back somehow. I think the building will just be mentioned or shown in the background of a movie in the future as a subtle hint back to that story.
Didn't it already make an appearance in Zootopia? When Judy went to go apologize to Nick, there's an old abandoned building you can see if you ignore the bridge that Nick is under. ((I think?))
Can you imagine how damn DARK this would have been, tho? This is like if Nick's muzzle story took a turn for the worst. Although, I do find it intriguing to see how they portrayed the POVs of Judy entering and living in Zootopia compared to alternate Nick entering and living in Zootopia...
Napoleon Bonaparte thats the fucking idea not the fucking problem like in the original movie the animals are turning savage and the idea is that its a utopia and animals live as friends
Honestly I like this idea enough for a prequel, but I'm gald they went with another idea. The shock collar storyline would've been too predicable with it's outcome.
@@mariannaesteves4881 It was the most unpredictable twist villain until the end when we saw the sheep. It was unpredictable because it was a TERRIBLE villain.
The movie we got was not a bad movie, but the movie we could have got had a very good story to tell and clearly had a lot of thought, care, attention and love poured into just its conception. I hope it's able to be used sometime in the future. I don't care if its a new universe unrelated to Zootopia or a time in Zootopia's early years but every time I sit and watch videos like this, I'm convinced it would be a great movie. Take all the connections to our own lives and world and put them aside, it's just a really good story.
I don't know why everyone finds this too sad and dark for children. Just remember Frozen. Elsa's parents locked her in her room for years and then she escaped from everyone. And in lion king, simba's father died and the same things happened. But still, they are the best Disney movies. And this movie was going to show the Tame collars as bad things so there is no brainwashing. And it's not too sad like Titanic. It's still good enough for kids. It's a movie for kids not for babies. So it doesn't have to be like ''everything is perfect yay''. And I bet this story would be more successful since it's more focused on freedom and treating everyone equally (At first it wasn't, just like the REAL world. But then, thanks to Nick and his friends, it would be solved).
OHHHH trust me...the rest of the movie? lol this isn't the dark part... it really was way too dark. The world just isn't ready for that. Try PG13 rating in the making which is what one of their fears was due to peoples narrow mind's. Animation does not mean 100% Kid friendly but most of our society thinks it does still. If you really want to know how Dark this movie was before your going to have to look yourself though. Because its just too much information to type.
emre ekinci It's because the world thinks these movies should always be kids. And seeing innocent predators being gunned down by a swat team would be a bit much for them... yes that was a scene. They had a swat team of Boars who sniffed out "savage" predators and blasted them to kingdom come. I for one want this version of the film. That was just a percentage...Nick also goes nuts and tears out Manchese's throat when he goes savage he nearly mauls Judy in the original script and Nick tears him to pieces essentially, Nick is also put in critical condition due to being constantly electrocuted by his collar while DEFENDING Judy causing him to end up in a bed at Bunny Burrow several days later.
+Ceriu ok they are bad if there was a tear out scene (can you give me the link) but they could just delete that scene or make it a safer scene just like mancha's attack scene in today's zootopia, that doesn't make all the story too dark for children because some other animations have dark secenes like them too
+Ceriu yeah I can't blame the audience but I blame the directors actually, they could remove some details but removing all the story? really? and I'm glad you and some people want it too, I saw zistopia but actually it's not enough, it would be enough if there would only some ideas, but directors published a lot of details, plans, arts, scenes... so it' actually Disney's duty to make it someway, otherwise they shouldn't have told us the story and removed it forever
maybe a prequel with a different protagenist that the end the tame collars are illegal and that makes zootopia? like the early years like before in judy's play the ancestors settle their differences?
Spotify FINALLY, SOMEONE WITH SENSE!!! YOU GET WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!! PEOPLE ARE SAYING THEY SHOULD FINISH THIS AND MAKE IT A MOVIE!!! BUT IT WOULD NOT FIT ANY WHERE!!! IF THEY WANTED TO DO IT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A WHOLE NEW STORY OR TIMELINE!!! THANK YOU!!
yes. but they thought that the story was originally was a little bit to much for a kids movie. althougj i think it would've been great if they did that
While I love the Wild Times theme park and think the games were incredibly creative, I'm glad they didn't go with the tame collar idea. I know other people seem to think it was a better way to go than what we got, but I honestly found it way too over the top and in your face, particularly that doctor scene. A scenario like that would have been like 1984 except with comedy. Playing up something as dark as forcibly having an entire social group of sentient beings wearing shock collars for laughs just feels too distasteful. I love the finished movie that we got because, as in-your-face as its message might have been in the beginning, it was much more realistic and reflected current society. Judy arrives in Zootopia believing it to be every bit as promising and accepting as its made out to be, because the underlying racism and stereotyping wasn't immediately apparent. The tame collar idea might have been a great concept for a dark satirical commentary (again, like 1984) , but not as a children's comedy.
FullRetardBoy I think it's the appeal of more dark and angsty elements in a kid's movie... even if this hadn't been a scrapped idea I bet a fanfiction utilizing this concept would have sprung into existence at some point regardless.
I like the film we got, but I also like the original concept for the fact it dealt with an innocent character that society distrusts being framed for a crime he didn't commit and having to prove their innocence more so than the collars themselves. The original story sounded like The Fugitive but with a fox and bunny.
***** I didn't see that movie but it would've looked like plagiarism. Also I think the sequel should focus on interracial couples. How to deal with them properly.
Should totally be a prequel. Maybe this will be the second movie as a prequel, maybe it’ll be a sequel where the law is put into fruition? Either way I love the idea.
0:54 I don't want to be *that* guy, but... she's wearing *only* the belt here... I'm sold. And of course, even completely disregarding a much cooler and darker undertone of the original idea, this entire amusement park seems adorable and the entire time he was describing it I couldn't help but grin along
I actually wish they kept this like, just seeing THIS unfinished, idea, basically, felt like i watched an entire movie itself, like, wtf disney. I loved this so so so much
The only problem was that they were focusing on Nick too much. The main character was Judy. That's what the whole movie is about: Judy Hopps achieving her dreams even though others say otherwise.
@@Bella-pd6wx No they are both main characters. It was mentioned in the beginning that at first they wanted to focus the story with Nick as the main character, but later scrapped the idea as that wouldn't work with the optimistic perspective.
Jirapat Thaenphromrat yes, I know they’re both main characters. In an interview, they were saying it wouldn’t work for this because it focused too much on Nick
@@Bella-pd6wx Oh alright. Sorry I didn't know that you were referencing something that came from an interview would you mind sending a link.
Jirapat Thaenphromrat sure! Let me try and fine it 😂 found it a couple weeks ago, but I’ll do my best
If I made this a prequel, I would make it about Nicks father and how Wild Times taught prey animals that shock collars were not necessary any more. At least that's how it would fit.
YESSS!
They better do this
that is a very good idea
That would be amazing!
I agree!
Just going to say it
They missed out on an entire part of Disney park with this idea
oh yeah lol
But this is sad
Make it a Disney world that place is huge and has some places it could be added
Yup
Well now they are in Shanghai Disneyland
No wonder nick is the best character. He has like an entire other movies thought in him. A whole background to his personality. Much more complex.
True. I hope they will be successful with this one.
Heck yea man. Though he’s not really the best fox character sadly. Not that I don’t like Nick, he’s a great character but personally my favorite Fox character is and will always be Fantastic Mr Fox. That movie was an underrated masterpiece
@@geomania8533 hes not that hood
They could still use this storyline for a sequel/prequel tbh
like...maybe even use it as a flashback
Or maybe in the sequel, the mayor of zootopia implements the shock cloar, which every predator has to wear. So that if they get too aggressive, they get shocked rather than a medicine because he says, it's too expensive or something something, nick makes the wild park, and after some time, Judy hopps becomes suspicious about nicks relaxed behavior, so she secretly follows him and discovers the park, and when the predators find out, they become panicked and starts running and come out to find the police waiting for them, nick gets arrested, judy tries to help him escape, they go in court, the mayor stops the implements of the collar, nick makes the park from secret to puplic park.
This is one of them movies, I wouldn't mind an alternate timeline sequel for.
I think an alternate timeline about this story would be great
@@Mikhail_Malekov935 Sounds like a good plot.
I'd drop everything and go to Disney world immediately if they opened a Wild Times themed section of the park. No joke.
yeah
I will do everything just to go there
hope your not holding a baby if you ever find out there's one
id drop my balls
haha u furry :3
They fleshed it out so much...I'd totally pay to see this version!
ikr ???
Same
SAMEE!
Same
They said the collars wouldn’t really fit in the story but I say it would make the story better, giving a better reason than just ettiquite for the carnivores behavior
My dad was an animator for this movie, so I know one of the reasons they didn't go with this idea is because they thought the shock collar thing was to dark and inhumane for a place that's supposed to be considered perfect.
Edit: To anyone who wants to talk about my dad, please don't. This comment was meant for me to give a reason why this version of the movie wasn't the end result, not to talk about my dad.
Edit: To anyone who says that that was the entire point of the movie, I know, but that wasn't the point I was making. The point is that it wasn't subtle at all.
Well that’s pretty realistic to America if you think abt it, or Japan
How badass to have a movie animator as a father.
Well that would add to the message tbh, like it's seen as perfect and free even though they have the collars. Like the oppression is just normalized for that society but the audience would see how messed up it is on their own. It would've definitely been more dystopian and a more powerful way to show how backwards the society is
@@Pupkittenxoxo how
@@KicksPregnantWomen Not with the shock collar part but it is similar because America is supposed to be 'perfect' but it really ain't. There's still a lot of diversity between races, sexuality, and religions.
To be honest, the shock collar idea could be possible as a sequel to the first movie. Especially seeing as how the plot was about predators going savage. And because Mayor Lionheart is still in prison (for kidnapping the victims) his replacement could have enforced this new law.
Or it could be a prequel something that happend in the past. Ofc you'll have to change the characters. But it be really interesting.
Connor Clemons it probably wouldn’t considering how everything ended full circle so this story would probably just live as an unused one
Man I wish... I just...I can't see it happening. 😕 the way that the story ended was such a closed circle that I dunno how they would get from there to wild times. Unless unless perhaps they picked up the story with Judy and Nick's grandkids? Like maybe Judy will be telling her grandbunnies about her police days
then one of 'em will go "Wait why didn't the polar bear get shocked?"
And Judy cringes and it has a flash back to the day the law gets passed and all the protests and nick getting hurt and all of that pain and Judy tells her grandbunnies "well...they didn't have a collar bun. They weren't a law when I was a cop"
and the baby bunnies are all in shock like "what?! Predators didn't wear collars back then? How did you survive."
And Judy is just like woah woah! Predators are not dangerous buns who told you that?
All the little bunnies look ashamed and say that they heard it from their friends at school.
A Judy is just like nah uh everybody in the car and she takes them to meet nick and he tells them all about the collars and how horrible they are and gets shocked in the process and the bunnies get inspired and make friends w/ Nick's granddaughter and they go protest the collars at city hall and raise a big fuss and the movie ends w/ the Predators being freed and the herbivores slowly apologizing and letting go of their fear.
Dunno just had a thought and ran with it.
They going to forced a reelection and zootopia found out that it was cause by a drug which they would immediately just ban the use and make it a criminal offense to produce or even hold such weapon
I feel like this concept would work better as a Prequel rather then sequel because it would show and explain how predators where practically persecuted into becoming model citizens leading to the collars no longer being needed in the movie we got, and offer some contrast to why pray animals still hold onto their prejudice and fear of them reverting to their wild states, and Nicks amusement park could just be something that flopped after collars were banned and that's why we see him running small time cons and on hard times in the main film when Judy first meets him
The shock collar made the message even more powerful. I can see it was a little too risky to implement for Disney. But it added a dark, beautiful twist from what I've seen.
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I wish they kept the original version, I like this darker version...and most important of all, Disney could have open a wildetimes section in Disneyland and I will pay all my money to go thereeeeee
Charlotte I maybe remake it as a prequel
im a furry too
*500th like* Come on, people! Zootopia is freaking awesome because it has genuinely dark moments and its animation is completely professional!!!
All the furries will go there
yeeeesss that would be so cool to see :D
"The whole plot revolved around them taking off their tame collars. In the story, it just...didnt have a place."
Dude you can hear the sadness when he says that. I'd much prefer the collar version of this movie. Nick would have made a much better protagonist
I wouldn’t go that far but I wish the directors like combined both ideas or something
@@royalpain9281 At the very least, Nick is a much more dynamic protag lol
@@wildfirefox1 i agree judy was a generic protagonist in my opinion
The official one is the perfect movie
This idea works for a sequel
@@mimiroadto2093 plus judy is women so nick would have been better
Predator attends collage
Predator is a successful student
Predator is praised by piers and teachers
Predator gets diploma
Predator: WOOHOO! THIS IS THE BEST DAY OF MY-
*SHOCK*
:(
sad :(
@@stellaomera8489 depressing :(
There was actually a sequence like that planned. Basically Judy and nick were hiding in a room and that room was being used for a kids birthday party. The kid turned old enough to get his shock collar. His dad puts the collar on (somberly) with a half smile tell the kid he is a man now. The kid gets really really happy and than *SHOCK*. The kid looks up to his dad with tears in his eyes and they hug.
literally me everyday but metaphorical rather than literal
It's so sad, how all these animators are really excited about this sequence.
Hundreds of animators and artists worked on this idea, polishing it, thinking up clever ideas for it, creating beautiful artwork for it..
And then the whole thing was removed entirely, not because the idea was bad, but because another part of the movie changed and made the idea invalid. How disappointing that must be.
I really hope they bring this back in Zootopia 2 somehow!
I saw on the wiki that said zootopia 2 is coming out next year in november
( i said this before corona hit dont believe it lmao )
@@turtlefact REALLY?! Dang
Like maybe an alternative universe or something that they discover. They did that in Cinderella, so it's not out of Disney's capabilities. Of course, they would need a believable way of doing it. I'm imagining something Back to the Future style where a suspect accidentally (or purposefully, I saw a comic where Bellwether does something like this) screws something up and it changes the future.
I lost the name of the comic I mentioned earlier where Bellwether does this, but she kills a child Judy, so it's definitely a lot darker.
Maybe a case Judy and Nick are on leads them to a section of the city that's run down and abandoned. Nick suddenly wants them to go anywhere else but there. Judy argues that they're here for the case and proceeds to a warehouse that's dilapidated. She looks up and sees a sign that says Wilde Times. Turning to her partner, she sees him looking despondent and asks if this was one of his old cons back in the day. Nick gets a serious look on his face, almost angry and explains that Wilde Times was his father's dream, what it was about, and how in the end its shutting down was a factor in why his father was no longer around. This would play a key factor, bigger than the muzzle incident, in Nick's attitude and decision to become a con-mammal from when Judy first met him. (Note in the first movie we see Mrs. Wilde but no Mr. Wilde). Just a little character background/ world building that I thought up on the spot.
i hope they make a sequel based on this idea though and just use a work around on the idea so like Nick eventually quits the Police Force and does his own thing / dream cos essentially being a cop was Judys dream not nicks
This just seems like a wasted, unused, idea... So sad...
Anabelle Ferreira it's not. It helped building the current zootopia, it was a step in the creation process, they learnt and experimented from it and that led them to what the film is today.
I hope they make a prequel with this idea. It would retroactively give Nick even more reason to be as down/negative as he was in Zootopia with such a Wild Times ending up getting busted. But I wonder what the happy end would then be.
@@splitframe well...the happy end could maybe be that the major would be the lion we know now, who would fix the policy so noone would have collars. So like at least something. This whole concept could be like when the major was a prey, so he had all the predators have collars. Half way through, the one chubby cheetah guy (forgot his name) would maybe want badly to become a policeman, still helping out Nick a bit he would know about the Wild Times, which the previous prey major would offer him his job for. He knew that there was something for the predators, but didn't know where. That's when the bust down happens. The cheetah friend however doesn't become a policeman and gets arrested along with Nick and those who were attending at the Wild Times. And the happy end could be the coming of the new major. Like when the predators didn't have any other joy now, they'd maybe be more angry and wild. But, then would come our dreamy lion major, young at that time, who would want to become the major. There could start something. Like that he would want Nick's help for he had the idea of Wild Times. Then would start their journey of voting and getting their votes from the predators but preys as well and all! Then could come our happy end of the new major coming...though the loss of Wild Times would be still very sad...but the collars would be removed, so that would be a big positive and a way to the Zootopia we know now
Oh yeah, they did mention in Zootopia that mayor Lionheart was only elected recently and that his election was very progressive. Wild Times getting taken down in favour of the collars being removed and Lionheart becoming mayor would be a great transition.
@@splitframe Yeah. Could be pretty nice. I completely forgot about that one detail, you are very right on that.
Disney: oh what a splendid idea! BUT I DONT CARE!
the animators: we are going to release this footage anyway
Disney released this bro '-'
@@ticoliro3392 its a joke lad
@@killbot1476 dont seem like one
@@ticoliro3392 but it is...
XD
I hate the fact that this sounded way more interesting that the one we got
You are right
Kanekoya yeah
Just darker, and very dystopian compared to their utopia goal. Also isn’t very suitable for children
Marvel is wayyy darker and its suitable for children (dc made shows with turture, violence and blood made for children)
I mean, the way marvel writes it makes the story very different. (Which is a point my friend brought up and also hated).
For an example, during the Infinity Wars movie, when Gamora asks Starlord to kill her, Drax immediately becomes the comic relief not a minute afterwards. And this is something that becomes apparent in a lot of movies. This is most likely why the Marvel movies do so well with the children.
Zootopia was great in the direction they took it but I'd love to see an alternate story with this shock collar idea
i concur
ditto
I feel with the shock collars it did make me dislike that world, but with that just made Wild Times more rewarding to see the predators taking off their collars and not worrying about being emotional and just seeing the happiness on their faces and when a mother is removing the collars on her children is just so heart warming and Nick's con moves are what to thank for it!
No shock collars. It's cruel.
i think you missed the point in that case.
Graduating tiger: hey I just graduated :D IM SO HAPPY *SHOCK*
Tiger on his first date: I'm nervous but also REALLY EXCITED *SHOCK*
Tiger getting married: I do *happy* .......... *SHOCK*
tiger having there first kid: aww hes so cute AAH IM FINALLY A DAD.... *SHOCKKKKKK*
Mate what a sad life that would be XD
yeah im agree :C
it forces the predator to be sad, bored, exhausted, serious, etc.
This literally has nothing to do with the video
@@xXY-FXx that's not how an r/woooosh works 🤦♂️
@@xXY-FXx bruh
He didn't want to accept defeat, so he deleted his comment.
The concept of the tame collar really drives in the message of oppression more. Maybe in a sequel, we could have nick and judy visit another country where the discrimination against predators are even worse and this is where we would see the usage of the tame collar. Not only are we able to bring back the concept of the tame collar, but now we can also put in parallels to how discrimination varies in different degrees across the world.
That’s an actual genius idea I wish you were part of Disney!!
@@NotToffie child, if you think that's all it takes...
Disney probably wouldn’t want to speak bad of oppressive countries considering they do business in a lot of these countries.
Ex: China
@@ImDonner sadly true
@@Folfah you sound like an asshole. just calling people CHILD like that.
if the only thing you have over another person is that you’re older than them, that’s a pretty lame thing to brag about. like wow you were born earlier. IF you actually were!
one of the most narcissistic things you can say, since it shows that you insist on taking pride in something beyond your control. that you’re happy to insult another person for being born later. i’m not even kidding it reveals a lot about your character.
Damn they cut all that?!
@Ned Stark Dang that's really stressful, all that hard work and now it's in the trash...
Oof just like the Percy Jackson tbh
They didn't 'cut' it persay as it was never in the movie in the first place - they were still storyboarding everything. There was probably a dozen other storyboards for completely different plots before this one.
ikr
@@Void-ng8jz Yeah, usually things like this gets gutted pretty hard but thankfully it's only concept art at that point
imagine being so oppressed you can build a giant secret entertainment park
Keyword secret, meaning illegal
@@SamsungS23Ultr ok, shut up
@@SamsungS23Ultr shut the fuck up about that please
@@DamageMaximo
I'm curious, what did they say?
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I remember seeing this on my blu-ray and it said he was "too depressed" to be the main character
i-- what are they trying to say about us real depressed people lmao
@@celebrityguest.9530 nothing it was just that they thought he was to depressed
@@celebrityguest.9530 They tryna say we ain't even the main character for our own world💀
I love the Zootopia that we ended up getting, but... I would be lying if I said I didn't wish we could see this version. It's such an interesting concept, I have to wonder what it would've been like as a full movie...
I guess subtlety is less powerful then bullshit, you mokney. I guess you like capitan marvel then
*Zootopia 2*
*Wild Times*
*Coming to a fantasy near you*
@Ikeside r/woooooooosh
Was gonna like, but the likes are at 666
Omg yes
@Ike the Dorito [Isaac] uh, it's coming out this year
@@phoebeyin4381 wait what?
I would still prefer a movie of the dark side along with the bright one we got.
Check out Beastars
@@nerofoxkrell hell yeah, beastars is awesome
@@nerofoxkrell It will forever be the zootopia we never got....
@@MrJerkdude1 No, it is the Beastars we got.
check out the fanmade film by Mauricio Velazco. very good
"No,but I got my pants off and..we're all enjoying dat.."
**Doctor looks down for a second..**
lol
This needs to be Disney’s separate adult animation. This would be so good as an adult series.
Good Point!
They'd probably make it unnecessarily edgy then lol
To be honest this seems better than the final product because it has no predicable twist villain
True
Could have been about Judy stumbling upon Wild Times and immediately wanting to shut it down but Nick convinces her it's a good thing, and together they try to eventually integrate it into normal society or something.
no way lol the plot is just as predictable as the final version imo. The pig mayor screamed bad guy
@@solgaleooflight8703 yeah, but no twist villain
@@saltananda3227 so judy would be an antagonist of shorts?
"Somewhere, it'll reappear. We'll find a way" Sequel confirmed.
*prequel
Vampire King *spin off
Meatyman53 A movie in an alternate universe?
It will be awesome!
My thoughts!
I think this would have been a better way to start the series and have Judy's story be the sequel. This helps to set the tone of the world that they are in and after everything Predators would be able to live without collars BUT since this place was open for so long there is still a stigma about Predators and then that leads into Zootopia's story that we got.
And it can always be a prequel... The story could start with Nick and Judy chatting about in their break time which leads to nick telling a story about how the world is like in the past for predators which will lead to this story... But these form of storytelling always made me feel claustrophobic, so it'll be better if it's told in a different way, but yeah... It could be a prequel....
Maybe....
It would be cool to have this be in the next movie as a prequel.
maybe if they had a new continuous storyline as an aftermath of the first and implemented this whole concept so it's narrowed down to like max 20 minute running time of flashbacks and rest is current (or even someplace that isn't zootopia that's "backwards" is visited for a little bit, i mean they spent a decent portion out of it in the first anyway). @@Zyntherion2202
There was actually a scene where judy and nick are sneaking through a birthday party where a baby polar bear gets his collar, and he thinks it's a big celebration because it means he's a big bear now, so they clip it on and he's excitedly laughing and being an excited CHILD, and his father is BEGGING him to calm down, but it's too late, he's given a harsh zap, the room goes quiet and the cub breaks down into tears and runs to his dad for protection
Where can I find it?
@@TalesOfOriait's been three months, but if I remember correctly, I once saw it in one of three parts talking about this original plot on a channel called Davvid
Oh yeah I’ve seen that. Also worth noting that the little bear, Morris, his father, Koslov, wasn’t happy to put the collar on and hesitated before fastening it.
Koslov’s collar went yellow as he was hesitating, and Morris asked if he was ok. Koslov said he’s just happy for the lil bear.
When Morris got shocked, Judy’s smile disappeared and Nick’s collar went yellow.
THATS A VOICEOVER. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE ACTUAL OPENING OF THE MOVIE
ME TOO
Wth am I doing here a year later
@@lampadudle
Idk what am I doing a week later?
@@goodday3185 what am i doing here 2 weeks later
@@jaslikeart
What am I doing 3 hours later?
@@goodday3185 What am I doing one month later?
New antagonist makes tame collars and prey are winning votes. And then this. Zootopia 2
It sounds like a flashback from back when Predators had no rights-
okay, honestly i wish Zootopia was about this instead-
@AiSEL IRAl wtf are you talking about
@AiSEL IRAl lmaooo what????
@@maggiegodfrey8928 well... in one hand, you got one male protagonist and two male secondary characters, no female cast. In the other, you got str0ng femAle protAgonist and a male. Which one would feminists prefer? 👁👄👁
@@feco3483 Oh well, I never looked that deep into it.
I honestly could give a fudge of who someone looks like or what gender they are as long as they have a strong character and good acting in a movie or tv show. So I do this this zootopia is a great alternative idea. Maybe a different reality in the zoo universe which would be cool to see
The fact they already animated a lot of the scene’s already is so heartbreaking. They should have made this
frrr
Hey, at least we got Beastars
@@arthurgrenaderov4476 drink some water to wash that off buddy
@@arthurgrenaderov4476 really dud
@@arthurgrenaderov4476 sure you did🙄but I respect your opinion even if it's wrong
@@arthurgrenaderov4476 instead of judging it from how it looks, try to focus on the story. The character development, feeling and intensity of the show was an absolute marvel to behold.
I've finished the series 2 times and I keep returning to watch it lol
My biggest question yet still remains unanswered.
*WHERE ARE ALL THE BIRDS AT?!?!*
Edit: Even the movie "Sing" has birds in it. There's no theory! Birds, reptiles, amphibians, and aquatics have rights too!
Edit 2: And I do concur with the idea that invertebrates are a source of food, as it is very unlikely for such organisms to accustom to technology.
probs flying
Not to mention reptiles
IkR
Only mammals are in this movie
Hmmm, I was thinking the same thing. I figured that it is just one city in a world run by animals, so maybe they just don't like to live city life, for some reason. They could all just be chillin in different parts of the world...maybe?
Its so weird that all this work went to nothing...
Well I wouldnt say nothing, most movies work very hard on stuff and scrap it later but it all leads to develop great films. I can agree, It is kinda weird tho
I'm sure they could probably fit it into a sequel some how, but maybe just have a different story of how it was made, and why.
Well it didn't go to nothing if we can appreciate it here and now, and it all leads to the awesome finished product that Zootopia is.
That happens a lot in creative media.
It's pretty common unfortunately in the movie world, it happens to lots of movies like Frozen and Inside Out
Dude this is such an amazing idea. I really REALLY hope they can find a way to bring this back whether it's in a different movie or a zootopia sequel. Unfortunately, I don't think it'll work in a sequel but I really wish I could see it with the characters I already know, especially Nick.
A prequel would work.
Alternate universe
An alternative universe movie with this concept as some sort of anniversary celebration would go so hard tbh
comments: This story is better
Meanwhile, in alternate timeline where this one be the movie and the one we see don't
Alternate comments: that one is better
in my perspective, if Wild Times was released instead of Zootopia people would definitely pick on it and say "yuck has Disney gone real furry" or something like that. One thing that's made Zootopia untouchable from picking on is because of Nick Wilde's characteristic. Zootopia was much, much better and just because Wild Times was interesting doesn't make it better than what people got.
everyone wants what they can’t have
@@pleasemyytcommentsaredumb.8189 ...What?
Zootopia has already been picked on for being furry, not that it has stopped Disney from making furry films in the past (Robin Hood was made in 1973 for crying out loud). They just got rid of a really interesting plot and some really good scenes. The Zootopia we got was really good, but it could've been much better. Disney is just too afraid of taking these kinds of risks nowadays which is a shame because the potential is just... crazy.
@@TrickyRover I'm literally aware of that, but if it was Wild Times things would be even worse. Still would be picked on and call it a terrible plot.
@@pleasemyytcommentsaredumb.8189 ...Because collar kinks?
The Zootopia we got doesn't have a bad plot, it just doesn't have as much potential. The Wild Times plot actually fits in with the anthropomorphized animals theme even more, but now they just took the first part out and made a furry film for the sake of it rather than take on a unique idea that we're now never going to see.
Disney making furry films is nothing new, but actually going through with anything like Wild Times is, and it's not like they ditched it for the reasons you mentioned. They just don't go with anything dark like Bambi anymore. Wild Times would've gotten more attention for all the right reasons than Zootopia did for the wrong ones.
I have nothing against furries. I like anthros, I just wish we got Wild Times instead because it sounds so perfect, at least to me. It would probably make it into the number 1 spot for me if it DID get made.
Not gonna lie, although I liked the idea this one, I prefer the one they used. Why? Because it simply shows a predator and prey getting along and working together . Nick and Judy's relationship was actually normal and they eventually became partners at the end.... But I'm so up for this version!!
With a longer movie, they could have done both. Instead of the collars always having been there, they could put the collars on them after the sheep becomes mayor. Then that period of the movie, before Judy solves everything, lasts a few years instead of however long it lasts currently.
@@rebeccahicks2392 I would have liked it that way
@@rebeccahicks2392 ....someone pay this genius!!
Wow
My question is, what made them change the story, and how did they think of the change so all of a sudden?
idrk, but I think they were afraid it wouldn't really fit to children to see that kind of cruelty on-screen...
it's sad, because it was actually an amazing plot.
what @cae pow said, i believe i read somewhere that the test audience (pixar and disney tend to help each other out) thought this version of the movie was too dark for children. so they had to change the whole thing and make it a little less cruel/more child friendly. they made judy the protagonist because she radiated more positivity contrary to nick's cynical/pessimistic character. if i remember correctly judy wasn't that optimistic in the first version either.
You can't think.... right?
I really dont know, but my idea was they thought it was too dark for kids with all that taming collar stuff.
@AiSEL IRAl wtf, no. The idea was against racism. Their were female predatory animals in this too. The reason it was scarped was a mix of it being “too dark” for kids, and them being worried about the backlash with the racism. So zootopia down played the racism and made Judy the main because she’s more positive and sees the world in a good way.
I saw other people saying they should release the initial plot as a comic of what could have been. I totally support this as the plot is awesome and can stand on its own two feet 👌🏻 I'd buy it.
Zootopia 2 for wild times? Anyone?
Entropy yes
I mean it wouldnt make sense the only reason half of the stuff happens is because of the shock collars which dont exist in our zootopia with Judy and everything
YES
Make it a prequel about like his dad or when zootopia was new and one of his ancestors
@@_kumo_8809 maybe a prequel then?
11:12 "somewhere we will bring that back"
Nick W lets hope they do
WOTB LOL13 amin for that
#zootopia2
Sorry to be "that" person but * sigh *
Amen
@@natsuki4087 whoa shit, you're still alive? Btw, How's monika? 😂
I actually want to see THIS version of the movie!!
You're very cruel.
He means that it would be interesting to see an alternate story with this shock collar idea.
DEthe5150 it still sounds wrong. All your life with a collar that could possibly kill you is too dark
+anime lover 17 but it will be more interesting to watch in my opinion
antisocial anime freak the club sounds fun but the collar idea sounds cruel.
I fucking wish we had this version along with the one we actually got.
I guess subtlety is less powerful then bullshit, you mokney. I guess you like capitan marvel then
@@Shitposting_IHMN the fuck is your issue?!
@@Vodhr you wanting this version, where they have literal shock collars, instead of subtle and more "realistic" clues about discrimination
@@Shitposting_IHMNYeah, I don’t get why that’s an issue.
@@MLGDuckk that people need to have things showed in their faces to understand that something is wrong or bad
It should come back in a sequel, but in a different corrupt city where predators are forced to wear tame collars, and lot of other corrupt things, and Nick/Judy duo find out, and want to fix that city with something like Wild Times
The Wub Master
they should make it!
this sounds like a good idea, like another case they must solve
Here’s something to go along with that is when the duo enter the corrupt city they force nick to wear one to which then he makes sarcastic remarks
That's what I was thinking too! Good idea I do hope they do something like that if there is a sequel
The Wub Master, YEAHS!!
wow! The creativity that went into Wild Times is incredible... I hope they can bring it back somehow
While I don't think that this plot would work in a zootopia sequel, I do think that it could work maybe as a short film that comes with the DVD or maybe a graphic novel.
Maybe a prequel :O
Good idea!
Yeah :D
Let's make it happen :V
or something
YEEEEEEAH
Zootopia is heaven
my respect for you has improved ray mak :3
Ikr
RAY!?!?! DID YOU JUST WATCH EVERY DAMN VIDEO ON UA-cam-
Hiiiiiiii I like your music :D
Yes
To anyone who says they want this version of Zootopia, watch the anime called "Beastars".
Me wanting this version but has never watched Beastars: 🧍🏾♀️
Beastars is nothing like this
No anime beyond this point
@@authorhazel1554 E X A C T L Y
Beastars might be dark, but it's nothing like this idea
bruh they should’ve actually added this
it was such a creative idea honestly
they should use this to make a second moive I think.
G-Pig Pigy yeah!
Nightmare Gaster blaster perhaps a origins before predators were so free
G-Pig Pigy its happening in 2019
Like, instead of nick making Wild times, ITS HIS DAD THAT MAKES IT!
BECAUSE WE NEVER GOT TOO SEE HIS DAD IN THE MOVIE!
(Remembers that he is responding to a 2 month old comment)
Chains Aj Zootopia 2 the road to spider-verse
when Nick and Judy got spider powers become super heroes and join Avengers
First of all, we need this, second of all Disney land REALLY missed out
A shame we didn't get this story.
No kidding I'm actually more interested in this story
They will use that concept in a later Zootopia movie.
If the 2nd Wreck-It-Ralph movie's a success; here's to hoping that Zootopia 2 will be a reality.
Same. But it would've been cool if Nick said to Judy in the film(maybe towards the end) that he had Wild times as a crazy idea he had when he was young or something like that.
Say
waaaaaaaaaaaaa
Id love to see a prequel film with Nick and Finnick running this con. They can even keep the collar idea but maybe age the characters back a few years to show there was a time predators where treated differently, Nick could be responsible for why they don't wear the collars anymore, even clawhauser being in the film would be cool, you got his comic relief presence and the story shows us how he became a cop as a side thing. It basically writes itself
They could still fit it into the original story, just have the plot end where it's unknown that Nick is the one to start that change and is left uncredited, but then everyone else is free now though
You can still see the Wild Times building in the final movie, in the background in the scene where Judy goes to find him by the bridge.
springtrap1987 yeah
there actually is!
I absolutely love this idea. So much thought and energy went into this and it just seems like a creative idea. Now don’t get me wrong, I absolutely adore the version of zootopia that we got, but I think this could have been amazing to watch to. I think they should make this a mini movie. In how to train your dragon, they have a few short stories and I think Disney should do something like that with this idea. This should be a flashback to nick’s life before they got a predator as a president and before Judy came along. Just an idea.
Neat!
Ya guys. If you wanna see more of this read Beastars manga....
Canivores wanting to eat herbivores are a real thing....
Zack Irahza i kept scrolling through all these comments just to find a comment about beastars and its similarity to this version of zootopia xd
@@Darkey4321 The plot of Zootopia goes on about Predators reverting back to their feral instincts while Beastars tackles more on predation and the relation between herbivore and carnivore (not prey and predator)
@@Darkey4321 but, the similarity I think, between Zootopia and Beastars is the division and all of the other -isms between Carnivore/Predator and Herbivore/Prey, both shows explored on how this affected their society
Zack Irahza yup. Lol. It’s an anime now.
That is a completely differant thing
They could make a sequel out of this dropped plot. What I recommend is that instead of shock collars, there could be a plot point about everyone falling under observation by the government and being required to wear collars with their ID showing at all times. On top of that, everyone's activities are being regulated and monitored and people are afraid to do anything exciting anymore. People feel unsafe and oppressed because they feel like they are permanently being watched by this omnipotent, tyranical force, so they go to "Wild Times" to escape this feeling of paranoia and oppression. They could restrict this idea to predators or they can include prey as well. Beavers and Hippos would probably enjoy the Bite Me game. As the park gets more successful it grows and becomes more technological advanced and is eventually found out and, well, something happens... maybe involve the mob in all of this as one of the major driving antagonistic forces and the fact that the main characters are police officers as a big risk on their part, though law enforcers and government officials could be in on the whole thing which adds another element of danger to being found out.
Disney, hire this man.
Lord Proteus like watch dogs
psycho-pass
It's a kids movie
The dude he borrowed money from could have something to do with selling nick out because he never got paid back. We should help make this movie XD
omg he said at the end will try to bring back the wild times which kinda confirms a Zootopia 2
Zootopia grossed over a billion dollars, they're making a second either way.
It was like the top animated movie by disney by a billion or some such. Of course they'll make a second
unfortunately, the second one will most likely be horrible.
Arthur Graton hopefully you know who starts going out
Stupid
The collar prejudice thing had a lot of potential. I actually had a sort of fanfiction for awhile in my mind of a story where Nick and Judy had been promoted to detectives, and Zootropolis was reaching out with diplomatic relations to other territories and cities around the world, and during the story one of these otherTerritories/countries were having a very hard criminal problem and to help relations Zootropolis would send two of their best detectives to help a.k.a. Nick and Judy, and when they got there they noticed that the city was very prejudiced with all the predators having been collared.
That Idea Sounds PAWSOME!
They definitely need to use these concepts for Zootopia 2 in one form or the another. Nick is a really strong character and even if the status of main is changed, the movie will still go strong.
your kinnda right or they should make a short animated movie or yea Zootopia 2!
I liked the both sides of the story but I feel like Disney should use this dark side for Zootopia 2. I would like to see if Swinton try to usurp the mayor position, therefore legalizing the tame collars, thus making Nick the protagonist to use his idea for predators to be individuals
yeah like because of animals going savage an actavist group petitioned for all predatos to wear T.A.M.E. collars so, Judy and Nick create Wilde times but the predators there don't trust Judy
I'd love a movie with Nick as the main character.
Disney. Prequel. NOW.
Octo Daddy yes!
Krowfie no I want these characters!
Yeah they should have made this the prequel
Yes
I was thinking more like a sequal, where Judy and Nick have to leave Zootpia for a temporary transfer to a sketchy city that has those shockcolars
Please, please , please Disney make this a thing! I'm sure so many people would love this including me!
Ngl I probably would have enjoyed this more than the final version of the script
11:14
"I dont know HOW we are gonna do it but it'll reappear"
Disney....
*DISNEY*
THE REAL DISNEY STUDIO SAID THIS AND THAT IS A TOTAL OBVIOUS SENTENCE FOR "There is gonna be a Zootopia 2"
Edit: So no Zootopia 2 but there’s a mini series called Zootopia+ coming to Disney+ November 9th 2022!
@Samuel Hart *suprised pikachu face * YAASSSSSSS
@Yeetus Deletus YAY
Lmao ya sure about that
We hope. Since the plot is quite dark, you’ll never know.
V
I think Nick should have named it "Wilde Times instead of "Wild Times".
THE PUNS
So when cops find out they know who started it
Oh. Hadn't thought of that.
+Hobo with no good youtube channel names it was a legitimate business.
5:36 Look at that.
I just thought about it and this story can be the prequal to zootopia 2, this can take place before nick becomes a police officer. the end would tail that the mayor would ban all shock collars and then it would proceed to the ending of zootopia 1.
No pls
This is a really good idea
I’m actually really glad they ditched the collars. I think the allegory works a lot better when the prejudice against predators isn’t immediately obvious. Plus, the final version allows for the tension to exist not just between predators and prey, but all species. It seems that in the original draft, Judy was just a straight laced cop who slowly started to realize how bad the preds have it. Her whole story seems to be an invention of the decision to get rid of the collars and give her a larger role.
The problem is that it made the story much less interesting, and just became "racism bad" rather than a new idea for a dystopia. The movie we got didn't go that deep into whatever ideas they had left because they just cut the movie in half and the writers had to figure out how to fill in the gaps.
@@TrickyRover - the Wild Times version of Zootopia could _also_ be boiled down to “racism bad.” Both stories have their pros and cons. But, ultimately, they’re different stories with a similar foundation. There’s no real point in arguing whether or not one’s better than the other.
@@demosthenes995 I've seen it plenty of times. Wild Times had more running themes when Zootopia's POV is Judy being a hypocrite and finally finding out as a cop for the first time that maybe predators didn't have it so great, and all of its plot points were done better in Wild Times.
@@KlutzyNinjaKitty There is actually a real point in debating, so we can learn from these two movies and make better ones in the future and not repeat our mistakes. Wild Times had crazy potential that was tossed away, Zootopia had filler that needn't exist and it was barely a dystopia.
@@TrickyRover
why do you insist on the dystopia point, it's not supposed to be viewed that way. Zootopia is supposed to look like an utopia, and imo the tame collars is way too on the nose with it's moral lesson. I like how in the final version we follow judy's pov thinking that the city is like the best place on earth and slowly realizing it's flaws. In this version, while interesting, starts fucking depressing man
Damn i would of preferred the version where nick was the main character
ItsTheo _ yeah
Niggy Senpai me too
Is that why i love Nick more rather than Judy?
totally bang, 10/10 movie
Blue Pearl i wouldn't have minded if it was as dark as it would've been. The kids probably wouldn't have realized how dark it was, i mean, I watched chicken run when i was around 4-6 years old.
Dear Disney, please make a Wild Times theme park in real life so that your animators can feel like their idea didn't go to waste... and for all of your loving Zootopia fans who would sell their house just to experience that. Thank you.
PoisonSandwiches lol he stole someone else's vid
I would visit here once a month if I could! ;_;
PoisonSandwiches If they did that they could put the tame bands (without the lights and electric shocks) on the visitors wrists.
i had an idea for making a disney short but that is also is an amazing idea
I really loved Zootopia, but watching this... I could have loved it even more!
normie twice removed
I think this would've been a really good story as this plot would reflect on real events. I would really like to see this version animated in the future.
watch beasters if you wanna see something like this lol Its an anime but its similar
I guess subtlety is less powerful then bullshit, you mokney. I guess you like capitan marvel then
small loan of a million dollars
Okay calm down trump :)
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It has not been easy for me. It has not been easy for me. I started off in Brooklyn. My father gave me a
+Limit a what?
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't make a whole entire new movie out of Wild Times, since they said they wanted to bring it back somehow. I think the building will just be mentioned or shown in the background of a movie in the future as a subtle hint back to that story.
Didn't it already make an appearance in Zootopia? When Judy went to go apologize to Nick, there's an old abandoned building you can see if you ignore the bridge that Nick is under. ((I think?))
"Well, I got my pants off and we're all enjoying that." XD
wut
WIRE MAN nick said it in the video.
+red bronze the fact that the doctor looked down for a second adds on to it
Lol
Ikr i was so surprised when i heard him say that XD
Can you imagine how damn DARK this would have been, tho? This is like if Nick's muzzle story took a turn for the worst. Although, I do find it intriguing to see how they portrayed the POVs of Judy entering and living in Zootopia compared to alternate Nick entering and living in Zootopia...
Screw the five year olds make the movie more interesting
I wish it was from nick's pov
right?
Kayla Horton but what would be the theme
Kayla Horton yessssssss
Napoleon Bonaparte the fucking theme of the movie in nicks pov and what would be the problem
Napoleon Bonaparte thats the fucking idea not the fucking problem like in the original movie the animals are turning savage and the idea is that its a utopia and animals live as friends
Honestly I like this idea enough for a prequel, but I'm gald they went with another idea. The shock collar storyline would've been too predicable with it's outcome.
Anon 115 wut
I dont agree lololol
Uhhhh... So.... Zootopia had the most predictable twist villain ever.........
@@mariannaesteves4881 this
@@mariannaesteves4881 It was the most unpredictable twist villain until the end when we saw the sheep. It was unpredictable because it was a TERRIBLE villain.
Zootopia? More like DISTOPIA...
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I am aware that I'm commenting on a year old video.
Jordan Anonymous dont worry thats normal like me
*dystopia
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I am aware I am replying to a year old comment
The movie we got was not a bad movie, but the movie we could have got had a very good story to tell and clearly had a lot of thought, care, attention and love poured into just its conception. I hope it's able to be used sometime in the future. I don't care if its a new universe unrelated to Zootopia or a time in Zootopia's early years but every time I sit and watch videos like this, I'm convinced it would be a great movie. Take all the connections to our own lives and world and put them aside, it's just a really good story.
I don't know why everyone finds this too sad and dark for children. Just remember Frozen. Elsa's parents locked her in her room for years and then she escaped from everyone. And in lion king, simba's father died and the same things happened. But still, they are the best Disney movies. And this movie was going to show the Tame collars as bad things so there is no brainwashing. And it's not too sad like Titanic. It's still good enough for kids. It's a movie for kids not for babies. So it doesn't have to be like ''everything is perfect yay''. And I bet this story would be more successful since it's more focused on freedom and treating everyone equally (At first it wasn't, just like the REAL world. But then, thanks to Nick and his friends, it would be solved).
OHHHH trust me...the rest of the movie? lol this isn't the dark part... it really was way too dark. The world just isn't ready for that. Try PG13 rating in the making which is what one of their fears was due to peoples narrow mind's. Animation does not mean 100% Kid friendly but most of our society thinks it does still. If you really want to know how Dark this movie was before your going to have to look yourself though. Because its just too much information to type.
+Ceriu can you give me an example what was actually soooo dark that world shouldn't see it? It's just so insane when did people become so kind?
emre ekinci It's because the world thinks these movies should always be kids. And seeing innocent predators being gunned down by a swat team would be a bit much for them... yes that was a scene. They had a swat team of Boars who sniffed out "savage" predators and blasted them to kingdom come. I for one want this version of the film. That was just a percentage...Nick also goes nuts and tears out Manchese's throat when he goes savage he nearly mauls Judy in the original script and Nick tears him to pieces essentially, Nick is also put in critical condition due to being constantly electrocuted by his collar while DEFENDING Judy causing him to end up in a bed at Bunny Burrow several days later.
+Ceriu ok they are bad if there was a tear out scene (can you give me the link) but they could just delete that scene or make it a safer scene just like mancha's attack scene in today's zootopia, that doesn't make all the story too dark for children because some other animations have dark secenes like them too
+Ceriu yeah I can't blame the audience but I blame the directors actually, they could remove some details but removing all the story? really? and I'm glad you and some people want it too, I saw zistopia but actually it's not enough, it would be enough if there would only some ideas, but directors published a lot of details, plans, arts, scenes... so it' actually Disney's duty to make it someway, otherwise they shouldn't have told us the story and removed it forever
Who agree's that there should be a ZOOTOPIA 2?
Noey Claro no
ZooTWOpia
Noey Claro MUAH
Noey Claro YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, Y E S.
There will be. I'm pretty sure they said so
maybe a prequel with a different protagenist that the end the tame collars are illegal and that makes zootopia?
like the early years like before in judy's play the ancestors settle their differences?
Spotify FINALLY, SOMEONE WITH SENSE!!! YOU GET WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!! PEOPLE ARE SAYING THEY SHOULD FINISH THIS AND MAKE IT A MOVIE!!! BUT IT WOULD NOT FIT ANY WHERE!!! IF THEY WANTED TO DO IT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A WHOLE NEW STORY OR TIMELINE!!! THANK YOU!!
Yeah with the original villain
I remember when I was younger I really wanted this version, and I still wish we got this version.
“Secret destination” literally a giant neon sign
FIRST RULE OF FIGHT CLUB...NO ONE TALKS ABOUT FIGHT CLUB.
Zigg Wow just.... Wow
Welp.
Zigg but doesn't that count as taking about fight club oh no I talked about fight club oh no I did it again.
this is a much better story than the finished movie
Lydia Nightly true
Its a really good one, but hardly better.
lps TV I feel like the plot is better, but like Disney couldn't pull it off.
lps TV it's a good story but I feel like nothing but the second movie could possibly beat the last result of the movie
yes. but they thought that the story was originally was a little bit to much for a kids movie. althougj i think it would've been great if they did that
I loved the movie already, but I would pay to see this version of zootopia because I'm very interested by it
They made so much effort on wild times and they abandon it, it could've been better movie
Beastars scratched this itch for me.
But no secret amusement park :(
@@ahhh4117 Are you anime-only or did you read the manga? I wouldn't want to spoil anything, but there's something *similar* later on lol
@@theeshyguy i only recently started the anime lol
But are u telling me, there's secret amusement park?????
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@@ahhh4117 there may or may not be something similar to that involving Legoshi and his roommates going there lol
@@theeshyguy
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BROOOOOOO!!!!!
While I love the Wild Times theme park and think the games were incredibly creative, I'm glad they didn't go with the tame collar idea. I know other people seem to think it was a better way to go than what we got, but I honestly found it way too over the top and in your face, particularly that doctor scene. A scenario like that would have been like 1984 except with comedy. Playing up something as dark as forcibly having an entire social group of sentient beings wearing shock collars for laughs just feels too distasteful. I love the finished movie that we got because, as in-your-face as its message might have been in the beginning, it was much more realistic and reflected current society. Judy arrives in Zootopia believing it to be every bit as promising and accepting as its made out to be, because the underlying racism and stereotyping wasn't immediately apparent.
The tame collar idea might have been a great concept for a dark satirical commentary (again, like 1984) , but not as a children's comedy.
I cant say better. Dunno why everyone fell in love with collars.
FullRetardBoy I think it's the appeal of more dark and angsty elements in a kid's movie... even if this hadn't been a scrapped idea I bet a fanfiction utilizing this concept would have sprung into existence at some point regardless.
Finally someone who doesn't like the shock collars idea.
I like the film we got, but I also like the original concept for the fact it dealt with an innocent character that society distrusts being framed for a crime he didn't commit and having to prove their innocence more so than the collars themselves.
The original story sounded like The Fugitive but with a fox and bunny.
***** I didn't see that movie but it would've looked like plagiarism. Also I think the sequel should focus on interracial couples. How to deal with them properly.
Discovering this, makes me cry a bit, because zootopia is a wonderful movie, but because of it, we will not see this one
Should totally be a prequel.
Maybe this will be the second movie as a prequel, maybe it’ll be a sequel where the law is put into fruition? Either way I love the idea.
0:54 I don't want to be *that* guy, but... she's wearing *only* the belt here... I'm sold.
And of course, even completely disregarding a much cooler and darker undertone of the original idea, this entire amusement park seems adorable and the entire time he was describing it I couldn't help but grin along
yeah don't try to brush off the belt thing, you're not slick
Don't
*fuck*
the
bunny
its already sold with him
that would be a great idea for zootopia 2
foxy de fnaf hope so
foxy de fnaf it could be like a prequel. Or maybe it could be in the future, but I like it as a prequel
Good idea but that wouldent make much sense
Fig_The_Pig Yeah it would ruin the continuity
PLEASE
They really looked at this and was like “scratch that”
pun intended?