At my senior club , most are obcessed counting points , most dont want to practice ...just play.. How to convince them to dont count thus Practice ...i personnaly i dont care points.
I agree! Same is the case at my club. That means it is hard to improve your game without a proper practice partner and therefore you cannot learn or perfect new techniques shown in channels like this.
If you want to really improve at table ,tennis get yourself a decent Chinese coach .or go the training camps in Germany, it take years to develop a very good backhand, I would recommend more watching fan zhendong in slow motion, and kreanga.
How about contact points? Should I aim at a specific place on the ball and the racket? As you didn't mention that, is it, like, not necessarily important?
Very nice video, I think backhand topspin is one of the hardest shot. Personally I struggle with timing especially on long serve with backspin and deep push. The main problem to execute well the shot is that it needs a lot of relaxation in the wrist. For receiving serve, the spinny version is the safest and it is quite effective depending on the feeling of the ball. I try to force myself not to take my forehand to attack those balls but it is hard!
One of my friends got an old bat and attached a piece of strong to it, with a ball at the other end. He flips the ball up and just practices hitting it using the correct technique. His backhand was especially weak but he's really improved it spending hours at home using this method
Hi. I think it is quite important to keep the elbow a bit in front of you, and stable. Pivoting the forearm around it. This matters at least a lot for me, especially with the second and third method. Without this, my movement easily can end up being more sideways than forward.
Heard of "aim to miss"? To return a heavy backspin, I aim the base line. For heavy topspin, I aim the net. Works well with me. Both strokes send the ball back on the table. I don't stress on how much counter spin I should make. I just aim to miss
For me its much more difficult to understand what English man say. their pronunciation tone really hard to get... American English is a lot easier to get
Really look forward to your videos weekly, they are excellent tutorials, which can improve your strokes and general play. Like in particular your explanations and the way you break different segments of the strokes down.
What can I say? I’ve been struggling with all these approaches for many months (unfortunately not every time and not for a long because of absence of appropriate partner), so I can at once notice certain details I would not able even to notice earlier. “Basic method”. I agree with each word you say. "Spin method" Your partner DOES NOT brush the ball as he “should” do if he applies the technique you demonstrate. His bat goes FORWARD, NOT UPWARDS. But, nevertheless, you manage to send excellent returns with the technique you demonstrate for this method. So I am really confused. I can not understand why you both get the similar trajectories with QUITE DIFFERENT angles of your bats. The only explanation I see, that your partner sends to you the balls with more spin than you do. So he practically uses the third method for the balls with a low underspin. The third method. You partner applies practically the technique of the “spin method”. He “goes upwards, not forwards”. What I’d like to see. The balls your GET are quite HIGH. At the moment of contact they are quite above the net. I usually get the balls that are practically on the level of the table when they cross the edge of the table. And Certain players say it’s quite a good idea to wait a bit. Not to hit the ball in its highest point, but later, when it looses a great part of its underspin. In any case, thanks for the explanations and demonstrations. It is important to see that it works for other people what one does not manage to succeed.
There are subtleties here between spin and speed method. Both techniques are brushing up and forwards. But the the spin method is a bit more up and the speed method is a bit more forward. So they can look similar-ish but the trajectory of the ball is different. Spin method clears the net more. Speed method is lower over the net. I always find it interesting when people say the 'pushes' they face are very low and difficult to attack. I bet if you were to film your matches and watch back the footage, your opponents pushes wouldn't seem that low. It's only when you're playing and looking down on the ball when it seems very low. What I'm basically trying to say, is that at amateur level, almost all pushes, chops and backspin serves are possible to attack with the right technique.
@@TomLodziak «What I'm basically trying to say, is that at amateur level, almost all pushes, chops and backspin serves are possible to attack with the right technique.» Funny thing, three times (three different days) I played with a guy who played some years ago for a national team of Philippine. And he liked to chop the balls. Very heavily. And EVERY time he did it, I managed to attack them with backhand spin very powerfully. But when I do the same with amateurs my balls just go outside. “I bet if you were to film your matches and watch back the footage, your opponents pushes wouldn't seem that low.” You lost your bet. I am not as simple as that. Simply because I REALLY do my best to manage this technique. So, BEFORE I play with somebody, I sit on a bank standing alongside of the table and I watch attentively the trajectory of the balls of the player I am going to play with. That is why I sat they are low. They arrive just above the net, they jump up above the table surface not higher than the net and when they cross the edge of the table are lower than the net. And I still do not understand the absence of the effect of the rubber. Now I, at last, REALLY see the difference in different rubbers. With my today’s rubber, whey I do the forehand spin near the table, with one rubber my bat has the angle of 45, more or less, and with another its angle from 2 to 10 maximum. I suppose, it must make the difference with backhand spins as well. In any case, my backhand spins send the balls outside. Passing high above the net, with your second method, and low above the net with your third method. And they do not want to land on the table. Except, with the first method. Which are easy to be attacked. Except when they give the impression to miss the table, but suddenly land on the edge of it, jump high. But then it is a question of my luck and not of the perfect technique. Sorry for the layout. "Copy, paste" from the Word works funny.
If your shots keep going off the end of the table, it *might* be that you are not brushing the ball enough. Difficult to know for sure without seeing you play. It may also be that there is not as much backspin as you think, so you are lifting the ball too much. Again, I can't say for sure without seeing you play. So I would experiment with both (1) brushing the ball more (2) playing your BH topspin little more forwards than up - and see if either of these things work.
@@TomLodziak Yes, I do not see any other reasons. If a speedy ball does not swoops down on the table, then it simply does not have enough spin. It is aerodynamic. As it seems I just imagine that I brush a ball. A tennis robot would be perfect in finding the right degree of the contact with the ball that could be qualified as “brushing”.
This video has half a million views, so I guess it's ok to say this. An amateur with no technical ability posting instructional videos on one of the most complicated sport games known to mankind is... questionable. I fully realize that people watching these are almost exclusively beginners with no formal training, so it can't really hurt them, but still. An ex-professional player once told me that they would never be comfortable putting out coaching content on UA-cam simply because it's not possible to give quality advice to a player without seeing them, and what is a completely solid and even critical piece of advice to one player could be the exactly wrong thing to say to another. I know this sounds a lot like a hate comment (and in a way it is), but as someone who has spent a lot of time (and, I am sorry to say, money) consuming this kind of content I think I have earned the right to tell everyone that while it is completely ok to watch this for inspiration or out of boredom - these videos will not help you develop the skill. By the way, videos recorded by people who actually know what they are talking about won't help you either - any useful coaching advice is always 100% tailored to the player and can only be received individually from a coach.
I think you raise a interesting point. Instructional videos obviously cannot be tailored to a specific player. But it is possible to present some ideas and techniques, which others can observe and experiment with. I have seen many video tutorials which have helped me think about the game in a different way and develop a skill. The purpose of many of my videos is to identify an issue which many players struggle with and suggest a way to overcome this. Can this work? Well sometimes yes, sometimes no. It depends on the individual. Is real coaching better? Yes, definitely. Can video tutorials give a little extra help? I think so.
I think you should look at the finish position of these strokes too. You can see your buddy ending pointed towards the wall with the 'spin method'. Honestly the spin vs speed thing is just something you will manage depending on the ball given to you. You want to increase the speed when you can, generally.
Maybe. A lot depends on what standard you are playing at. At amateur level, playing with lots of heavy spin can be very effective. At pro level, the players need more speed.
Given the same ball FZD will hit a much harder loop than me. No top player skips out on the high spin loop, it's required against heavy backspin and/or close to the table balls so your advice is quite good here. You are right lower level players may not need to come forward so much but I think it's just a natural progression of the shot as a player improves.
What I struggle with is determining the right angle of the bat... depending on the amount of back spin on the incoming ball, you have to adjust and I find it hard not to play in the net or too high so the opponent can smash on it. How do you get that angle just right? It's hard to determine the amount of spin on a ball from the opponent.
Reading the amount of spin is something you get better at the more you play. In general, if your opponent's racket speed is faster when pushing or chopping and the ball stays lower, it is more likely to be heavy backspin. If your opponent's racket speed is slower when pushing or chopping and the ball a little higher, it is more likely to be light backspin. If you read the amount of spin earlier then you have a better chance of getting the correct bat angle.
Hi Tom I just wanted to request if you could make a video on how to backhand top spin on your channel. I am struggling to make a backhand top spin and don't know how to
Pretty sure you can hit it with side spin by brushing the ball on the side totally ignoring the underspin of your opponent. Usually (or always?) you have to hit the ball early in the bounce to do this with power and consistency.
Would I be right I thinking that different tables when you play league games can affect your personal game? What’s the best way to adapt to these circumstances? Thanks.
R I am so surprised to win this bronze medal. I was not expecting to even get to the semi finals. I was so focused on watching table tennis, I was not aware of the time. I have to thank my wife for her amazing support for my Olympic viewing.
May I ask if you don’t mind what is the bat you are using. I should buy a bat but I’m in a big dilemma. I count myself as an intermediate player so if you can help a bit with a bat, I think you have experience in bats.😂😂 A bat with good spin and speed and price xD and ready 😅😅 thank you
Hi, I use a Joola Fever blade, Joola Rhyzer 48 on FH and Joola Rhyzer 43 on BH. I have advice and recommendations for intermediate players on my website: www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/best-table-tennis-bats-for-intermediate-players/
Hey @Tom Lodziak nice video. Would you agree that depending on speed or spin method the timing of contacts point are a little bit different ? Speed method tends to be the modern tabletennis ways and has a early contact point. Reasons beeing that you can suprise your opponent and he has less reaction time and that the ball cannot generate so much spin like at a later point. Spin method seems to be later because you are heavily brushing up anyway and the amount of spin isnt such agreat factor. Also the high arc of your generated topspin may need the late point to hit the table( ideal case on the white line).
Hi Chas - yes, I think you have described the contact points well. Another way of looking at it (which works for some people I coach), is to always contact 20-30cm in front of body. This means the ball could be before peak, peak or after peak. But focusing on playing the shot in front of the body can simplify the timing for some people.
This is all very well and good but you're not putting hardly any backspin on the balls youre feeding... Even in the middle divisions of local league table tennis this balls come deep into your backhand loaded... Opening up off a practically floated ball is much easier than something that is chiseled at you!
Table Tennis looks very much like a physics lesson - speed, angle, spin, bounce, friction, etc. and anatomy lesson - body posture, movement, etc. I am just a newbie, but thanks to this channel it clarifies many things up. I really love the slow and through explanations. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for watching. Table tennis can seem a bit daunting at first. My best advice, is start slow, focus on consistency and good technique and gradually it will become easier.
Excellent, easy to follow explanations. Do you have tips for drilling these strikes for those of us beginners who struggle a bit to hit them consistently?
Easy way to start is get another player to keep feeding you backspin balls and you topspin. Or if you have access to a robot, you can do the same thing. Lots of repetition is needed to achieve consistency.
I feel you are teaching 2 different strokes to handle against backspin high spin and more direct while there should be one. Table tennis is hard enough without adding more strokes. My high level coach wants a flat bat angle parallel with the floor in the backswing in all backhand topspin strokes BOTH against backspin and also against block. The third method in your video illustrates this blade angle aspect very well. This leads to consistency with the same back-swing in high spin topspins and more direct topspins against backspin. To do a more spinny stroke you just forward bend more and bend the legs more so the swing is more upward. The top pros like ma long do this approach. I do not think many top 20 pros do the second approach. Your second approach could be inconsistent as the blade angle could vary stroke to stroke. What do you think?
Hi Maurice - I guess what I am trying to get across in the video is that there are different ways to play the shot. It sounds like you are developing a BH topspin technique similar to the speed method I demonstrate. If this works for you (and your coach is telling you to do this), then I would just stick with it. It's a great shot! But other players find it hard to play BH in this way and have more success with spin method or basic method. So for me there is no 'right way' or 'wrong way'. There are different options and every player has to find the option which works best for him/her.
@@TomLodziak I tend to think technique is caped or not caped rather than right or wrong. A method that is caped will lead to dead end in improvement over time. Sure they will get the ball back more in the short term but lack spin or speed. This will only take then so far. Better players will take advantage of the lack of penetration. I feel with keen players that are training each week coaches should teach the method that the pros use. This is the most effortless method to generate spin and speed from correct body mechanics that support the arm movements. Its the forward bend down movement in the backhand topspin takeback. Of course it could take longer to learn the pro style stroke but it will be more rewarding in the long term.
It really depends on what your goals are. If your goal is to be a pro player and you have the time to train several times a week, then YES it makes sense to develop advanced technique similar to other pro players. But if your goal is simply to win matches and tournaments at an amateur level and you have limited time to train, then you really do not need to emulate the technique of top professionals. In fact I would advise against it to a certain degree. If someone tries to emulate Ma Long, but can only practice one hour a week, then he will never get anywhere and most likely be far more inconsistent than he was before. This is because it takes a heck of a lot of practice to do what Ma Long does consistently. And if you can't do it consistently, then it's not much use. At amateur level, you can pretty much use any playing style and still be the best player in your area/town/city. Of course, if your technique is too basic it may stop you progressing any further, but if this is not your goal, then what does it matter? For me as a coach, I always factor in what a player's goals are. If it is simply to improve, win more points, move up a division etc, then there really is no need to force the player to play like a professional. Often, simplifying the technique helps the player improve far more. Sorry for the long rant! I think you have inspired me to write a blog post on this issue! Thanks for watching and commenting.
My advice is for you to add some couches or anything like pillows on the sides to improve sound quality and reduce echo. There are probably some Videos on how to reduce echo as this will make the content much better. Otherwise awesome tips and keep it going
One of the best table tennis channels on UA-cam :)
I agree :)
Tanks Martin!
Thx for be nice
Martin W eber
My favorite for sure. It's actually the first channel I ever started to support with cash (through UA-cam).
Basic method: 1:25
Spin method: 3:00
Speed method: 7:05
Thank u sir i understand very well
I am getting good so much faster than my colleagues because of these video's. Thanks Tom!
Excellent. Always happy to help. Keep on practising!
At my senior club , most are obcessed counting points , most dont want to practice ...just play.. How to convince them to dont count thus Practice ...i personnaly i dont care points.
I agree! Same is the case at my club.
That means it is hard to improve your game without a proper practice partner and therefore you cannot learn or perfect new techniques shown in channels like this.
If you want to really improve at table ,tennis get yourself a decent Chinese coach .or go the training camps in Germany, it take years to develop a very good backhand, I would recommend more watching fan zhendong in slow motion, and kreanga.
Beautifully explained! Thanks for sharing. Just need to put it in practise now so I can unlock the pushing mindset from my BH.
Great tips, I'm learning to play in VR and these tips work. I am instantly seeing results when practicing with a ball machine.
Thanks, Tom. It was very helpful to distinguish the options for this shot. This was the best explanation of a difficult shot that I have seen.
Dear Tom, thank you very much. The video is really helpful, now I see my mistakes when I'm doing a backhand topspin.
Thanks for you very helpful instructions.
You should work more on that technique, before teaching it and uploading videos. Rather the guy at @12:02 is proper
Yet ANOTHER top video from Tom and what a goodun it is, Thanks Tom, keep up the excellent videos
6:41 again and again
Coach - Thanks for this segment on backhand spins. I really appreciate how you dissect the movements and explain them..
Well explained and great tips
M.G Thx for be nice
thanks just getting back into Table Tennis, and these videos are great I'm a volunteer at the YMCA and have started a club for adults!
Fantastic! Volunteers like you are essential for growing the sport. Thanks for watching and commenting and good luck with the new club.
Thank you Tom.
I improve my tequinque day by day with your tips
Thank you for watching. Always happy to help.
I love your videos. So usefull for every table tennis player. Big thanks for what you are doing. Doing so well
Great coaching... Thank you
Thanks for the class professor! I’m sure I will now improve my gameplay!
Always solid table tennis tips. Really appreciate your videos. Thanks!
Great job. Keep it up. Suggestion topic: Long pimples against backspin :)
How about contact points? Should I aim at a specific place on the ball and the racket? As you didn't mention that, is it, like, not necessarily important?
Top of the bat/ middle. When u hit the ball you instinctively hit the ball at the top of middle
Very nice video, I think backhand topspin is one of the hardest shot. Personally I struggle with timing especially on long serve with backspin and deep push. The main problem to execute well the shot is that it needs a lot of relaxation in the wrist. For receiving serve, the spinny version is the safest and it is quite effective depending on the feeling of the ball. I try to force myself not to take my forehand to attack those balls but it is hard!
Hugo Karpinski bh x
The most pedagogic TT tutorial videos I've ever seen. Seems like he can read the doubts in my mind! Thanks a lot, Tom, cheers!
Loved this video, been struggling with backhand top spin for quite some time! Nice detailed explanation, Im going to go and practice all 3 methods.
Good luck. Let me know how you get on.
Good luck and Thx for be nice
same here.
none of you move your legs at the moment of the stroke, however, good video
Hello Coach, how to improve table tennis by practicing alone with table and balls and without table?
One of my friends got an old bat and attached a piece of strong to it, with a ball at the other end. He flips the ball up and just practices hitting it using the correct technique. His backhand was especially weak but he's really improved it spending hours at home using this method
These teaching videos are brilliant! Thanks 🙏
Cool - can you add a movie on heavy back spin - how to attack it, when to push it, when to shove it and when to hum it?
I have added this to my ever-growing list of videos to make!
The best canal to learn Table Tennis.
Thank you !
Canal?
DaJaguar portuguese mistake.
Hi. I think it is quite important to keep the elbow a bit in front of you, and stable. Pivoting the forearm around it. This matters at least a lot for me, especially with the second and third method. Without this, my movement easily can end up being more sideways than forward.
Agreed!
+100 Such an important point, and so often overlooked.
Thank you!
Very good job :)
Federico Licchetta Thx for be nice
Thanks Tom. Definitely the best backhand video have watched so far. Am guessing the same principle applies to the forehand loop.
Which method to best 10:50
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Really good video, helped me a lot ;)
Martin Weber good luck
where the ball makes contact on the paddle?--just a suggeston-see previous incomplete comment.
Thanks coach. It is really useful and very clear demonstration and detailed enough for all. Thanks a lot
Well done guide for dummies. Appreciated
another great vid, just a bit tired of seeing the 3rd shot being butchered every time, acting is unnecessary
Heard of "aim to miss"? To return a heavy backspin, I aim the base line. For heavy topspin, I aim the net. Works well with me. Both strokes send the ball back on the table. I don't stress on how much counter spin I should make. I just aim to miss
Interesting idea. I've not tried this approach, but I can see the logic. I might try this in my coaching sessions. Thanks!
I also use this against topspins.... It works really well..
For me its much more difficult to understand what English man say. their pronunciation tone really hard to get...
American English is a lot easier to get
Great Tutorial👍
Really look forward to your videos weekly, they are excellent tutorials, which can improve your strokes and general play. Like in particular your explanations and the way you break different segments of the strokes down.
What can I say?
I’ve been struggling with all these approaches for many months (unfortunately not every time and not for a long because of absence of appropriate partner), so I can at once notice certain details I would not able even to notice earlier.
“Basic method”. I agree with each word you say.
"Spin method"
Your partner DOES NOT brush the ball as he “should” do if he applies the technique you demonstrate. His bat goes FORWARD, NOT UPWARDS. But, nevertheless, you manage to send excellent returns with the technique you demonstrate for this method. So I am really confused.
I can not understand why you both get the similar trajectories with QUITE DIFFERENT angles of your bats. The only explanation
I see, that your partner sends to you the balls with more spin than you do. So he practically uses the third method for the balls with a low underspin.
The third method.
You partner applies practically the technique of the “spin method”. He “goes upwards, not forwards”.
What I’d like to see.
The balls your GET are quite HIGH. At the moment of contact they are quite above the net. I usually
get the balls that are practically on the level of the table when they cross the edge of the table.
And
Certain players say it’s quite a good idea to wait a bit. Not to hit the ball in its highest point, but
later, when it looses a great part of its underspin.
In any case, thanks for the explanations and demonstrations. It is important to see that it works for other people what one
does not manage to succeed.
There are subtleties here between spin and speed method. Both techniques are brushing up and forwards. But the the spin method is a bit more up and the speed method is a bit more forward. So they can look similar-ish but the trajectory of the ball is different. Spin method clears the net more. Speed method is lower over the net. I always find it interesting when people say the 'pushes' they face are very low and difficult to attack. I bet if you were to film your matches and watch back the footage, your opponents pushes wouldn't seem that low. It's only when you're playing and looking down on the ball when it seems very low. What I'm basically trying to say, is that at amateur level, almost all pushes, chops and backspin serves are possible to attack with the right technique.
@@TomLodziak
«What I'm basically trying to say, is that at amateur level, almost all pushes, chops and backspin
serves are possible to attack with the right technique.»
Funny thing, three times (three different days) I played with a guy who played some years ago for
a national team of Philippine. And he liked to chop the balls. Very heavily. And EVERY time he did it, I managed to
attack them with backhand spin very powerfully. But when I do the same with amateurs my balls just go outside.
“I bet if you were to film your matches and watch back the footage, your opponents pushes wouldn't
seem that low.”
You lost your bet. I am not as simple as that. Simply because I REALLY do my best to manage this technique.
So, BEFORE I play with somebody, I sit on a bank standing alongside of the table and I watch attentively the trajectory of the balls of the player I am going to play with. That is why I sat they are low. They arrive just above the net, they jump up above the table surface not higher than the net and when they cross the edge of the table are lower than the net.
And I still do not understand the absence of the effect of the rubber. Now I, at last, REALLY see the difference in different rubbers. With my today’s rubber, whey I do the forehand spin near the table, with one rubber my bat has the angle of 45, more or less, and with another its angle from 2 to 10 maximum. I suppose, it must make the difference with backhand spins as well. In any case, my backhand spins send the balls outside. Passing high above the net, with your second method, and low
above the net with your third method. And they do not want to land on the table. Except, with the first method. Which are easy to be attacked. Except when they give the impression to miss the table, but suddenly land on the edge of it, jump high. But then it is a question of my luck and not of the perfect technique.
Sorry for the layout. "Copy, paste" from the Word works funny.
If your shots keep going off the end of the table, it *might* be that you are not brushing the ball enough. Difficult to know for sure without seeing you play. It may also be that there is not as much backspin as you think, so you are lifting the ball too much. Again, I can't say for sure without seeing you play. So I would experiment with both (1) brushing the ball more (2) playing your BH topspin little more forwards than up - and see if either of these things work.
@@TomLodziak
Yes, I do not see any other reasons. If a speedy ball does not swoops down on the
table, then it simply does not have enough spin. It is aerodynamic. As it seems
I just imagine that I brush a ball. A tennis robot would be perfect in finding
the right degree of the contact with the ball that could be qualified as “brushing”.
Excellent video tom......super content!
irikanji Thx for be nice
suggestion: talk about where to make contact on the paddle
how do you prepare yourself for a tournament
?
Seems u forgot to discuss the timming and contact point...
I always struggle with backhand😢
Thank you very much Tom for the knowledge
Спасибо, Том! Tnx, Tom! All very easy to understand.
Vladimir Kleban Thx for be nice
This video has half a million views, so I guess it's ok to say this. An amateur with no technical ability posting instructional videos on one of the most complicated sport games known to mankind is... questionable. I fully realize that people watching these are almost exclusively beginners with no formal training, so it can't really hurt them, but still. An ex-professional player once told me that they would never be comfortable putting out coaching content on UA-cam simply because it's not possible to give quality advice to a player without seeing them, and what is a completely solid and even critical piece of advice to one player could be the exactly wrong thing to say to another. I know this sounds a lot like a hate comment (and in a way it is), but as someone who has spent a lot of time (and, I am sorry to say, money) consuming this kind of content I think I have earned the right to tell everyone that while it is completely ok to watch this for inspiration or out of boredom - these videos will not help you develop the skill.
By the way, videos recorded by people who actually know what they are talking about won't help you either - any useful coaching advice is always 100% tailored to the player and can only be received individually from a coach.
I think you raise a interesting point. Instructional videos obviously cannot be tailored to a specific player. But it is possible to present some ideas and techniques, which others can observe and experiment with. I have seen many video tutorials which have helped me think about the game in a different way and develop a skill. The purpose of many of my videos is to identify an issue which many players struggle with and suggest a way to overcome this. Can this work? Well sometimes yes, sometimes no. It depends on the individual. Is real coaching better? Yes, definitely. Can video tutorials give a little extra help? I think so.
Excellent
Eduardo Rabelo Thx for be nice
I think you should look at the finish position of these strokes too. You can see your buddy ending pointed towards the wall with the 'spin method'.
Honestly the spin vs speed thing is just something you will manage depending on the ball given to you. You want to increase the speed when you can, generally.
Maybe. A lot depends on what standard you are playing at. At amateur level, playing with lots of heavy spin can be very effective. At pro level, the players need more speed.
Given the same ball FZD will hit a much harder loop than me. No top player skips out on the high spin loop, it's required against heavy backspin and/or close to the table balls so your advice is quite good here. You are right lower level players may not need to come forward so much but I think it's just a natural progression of the shot as a player improves.
What I struggle with is determining the right angle of the bat... depending on the amount of back spin on the incoming ball, you have to adjust and I find it hard not to play in the net or too high so the opponent can smash on it. How do you get that angle just right? It's hard to determine the amount of spin on a ball from the opponent.
Reading the amount of spin is something you get better at the more you play. In general, if your opponent's racket speed is faster when pushing or chopping and the ball stays lower, it is more likely to be heavy backspin. If your opponent's racket speed is slower when pushing or chopping and the ball a little higher, it is more likely to be light backspin. If you read the amount of spin earlier then you have a better chance of getting the correct bat angle.
@@TomLodziak thanks for the tips! I play tonight so I'll pay extra attention to it. :) Cheers
How to return very low bounce balls ?
Hi Tom I just wanted to request if you could make a video on how to backhand top spin on your channel. I am struggling to make a backhand top spin and don't know how to
The answer is Chiquitaaaa!! 😉
Pretty sure you can hit it with side spin by brushing the ball on the side totally ignoring the underspin of your opponent. Usually (or always?) you have to hit the ball early in the bounce to do this with power and consistency.
This guy is great! He is the 3blue1brown guy of table-tennis!!
Would I be right I thinking that different tables when you play league games can affect your personal game? What’s the best way to adapt to these circumstances? Thanks.
wao!!! A experimentar cosas nuevas en nuestro juego. Mil gracias!!!!!!!!!!
What makes schlager's backhand against choppers like joo se hyuk more reliable than other professionals?
Muy buena explicasion. Thanks. Verry moch 😀
Thank you coach very goog
Pl dem more and talk less
English please!
thank you a lot!
It was very and so good teaching.Thank you teache
Congratulations! I made it all the way through.
Ha! You deserve a medal for that!
R I am so surprised to win this bronze medal. I was not expecting to even get to the semi finals. I was so focused on watching table tennis, I was not aware of the time. I have to thank my wife for her amazing support for my Olympic viewing.
Tim Gapinski good work to the semi finals
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Very nice video. As a kid i joined my school table tennis and
Impressive
Thanks Tom ♥️ , can you help me?
I can't develop in the game , i play a lot but i don't know how to be better!!
Thanks
nice!
May I ask if you don’t mind what is the bat you are using. I should buy a bat but I’m in a big dilemma. I count myself as an intermediate player so if you can help a bit with a bat, I think you have experience in bats.😂😂 A bat with good spin and speed and price xD and ready 😅😅 thank you
Hi, I use a Joola Fever blade, Joola Rhyzer 48 on FH and Joola Rhyzer 43 on BH. I have advice and recommendations for intermediate players on my website: www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/best-table-tennis-bats-for-intermediate-players/
Hey @Tom Lodziak nice video. Would you agree that depending on speed or spin method the timing of contacts point are a little bit different ? Speed method tends to be the modern tabletennis ways and has a early contact point. Reasons beeing that you can suprise your opponent and he has less reaction time and that the ball cannot generate so much spin like at a later point. Spin method seems to be later because you are heavily brushing up anyway and the amount of spin isnt such agreat factor. Also the high arc of your generated topspin may need the late point to hit the table( ideal case on the white line).
Hi Chas - yes, I think you have described the contact points well. Another way of looking at it (which works for some people I coach), is to always contact 20-30cm in front of body. This means the ball could be before peak, peak or after peak. But focusing on playing the shot in front of the body can simplify the timing for some people.
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Awesome tips. Thank you.
This is all very well and good but you're not putting hardly any backspin on the balls youre feeding... Even in the middle divisions of local league table tennis this balls come deep into your backhand loaded... Opening up off a practically floated ball is much easier than something that is chiseled at you!
Thanks for the great training video
Table Tennis looks very much like a physics lesson - speed, angle, spin, bounce, friction, etc. and anatomy lesson - body posture, movement, etc. I am just a newbie, but thanks to this channel it clarifies many things up. I really love the slow and through explanations. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for watching. Table tennis can seem a bit daunting at first. My best advice, is start slow, focus on consistency and good technique and gradually it will become easier.
This is great. Thanks so much.
Excellent, easy to follow explanations. Do you have tips for drilling these strikes for those of us beginners who struggle a bit to hit them consistently?
Easy way to start is get another player to keep feeding you backspin balls and you topspin. Or if you have access to a robot, you can do the same thing. Lots of repetition is needed to achieve consistency.
Great thanks Tom! 👍🏻
I feel you are teaching 2 different strokes to handle against backspin high spin and more direct while there should be one. Table tennis is hard enough without adding more strokes. My high level coach wants a flat bat angle parallel with the floor in the backswing in all backhand topspin strokes BOTH against backspin and also against block. The third method in your video illustrates this blade angle aspect very well. This leads to consistency with the same back-swing in high spin topspins and more direct topspins against backspin. To do a more spinny stroke you just forward bend more and bend the legs more so the swing is more upward. The top pros like ma long do this approach. I do not think many top 20 pros do the second approach. Your second approach could be inconsistent as the blade angle could vary stroke to stroke. What do you think?
Hi Maurice - I guess what I am trying to get across in the video is that there are different ways to play the shot. It sounds like you are developing a BH topspin technique similar to the speed method I demonstrate. If this works for you (and your coach is telling you to do this), then I would just stick with it. It's a great shot! But other players find it hard to play BH in this way and have more success with spin method or basic method. So for me there is no 'right way' or 'wrong way'. There are different options and every player has to find the option which works best for him/her.
@@TomLodziak I tend to think technique is caped or not caped rather than right or wrong. A method that is caped will lead to dead end in improvement over time. Sure they will get the ball back more in the short term but lack spin or speed. This will only take then so far. Better players will take advantage of the lack of penetration. I feel with keen players that are training each week coaches should teach the method that the pros use. This is the most effortless method to generate spin and speed from correct body mechanics that support the arm movements. Its the forward bend down movement in the backhand topspin takeback. Of course it could take longer to learn the pro style stroke but it will be more rewarding in the long term.
It really depends on what your goals are. If your goal is to be a pro player and you have the time to train several times a week, then YES it makes sense to develop advanced technique similar to other pro players. But if your goal is simply to win matches and tournaments at an amateur level and you have limited time to train, then you really do not need to emulate the technique of top professionals. In fact I would advise against it to a certain degree. If someone tries to emulate Ma Long, but can only practice one hour a week, then he will never get anywhere and most likely be far more inconsistent than he was before. This is because it takes a heck of a lot of practice to do what Ma Long does consistently. And if you can't do it consistently, then it's not much use. At amateur level, you can pretty much use any playing style and still be the best player in your area/town/city. Of course, if your technique is too basic it may stop you progressing any further, but if this is not your goal, then what does it matter? For me as a coach, I always factor in what a player's goals are. If it is simply to improve, win more points, move up a division etc, then there really is no need to force the player to play like a professional. Often, simplifying the technique helps the player improve far more. Sorry for the long rant! I think you have inspired me to write a blog post on this issue! Thanks for watching and commenting.
how would i do this with the penhold grip ?
good coaching.. thumbs up
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Thanks it’s very clear
Even Better with captioned on screen
Very good, appreciated.
I love the method how the coach teach
My advice is for you to add some couches or anything like pillows on the sides to improve sound quality and reduce echo. There are probably some Videos on how to reduce echo as this will make the content much better. Otherwise awesome tips and keep it going
You explain very nicely
How about Kreanga’s?
Excellent tutorial