Apple Explains Why MacBook Pro Only Has 8GB RAM
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- Опубліковано 14 лис 2023
- Apple used their reality distortion field to explain why 8GB RAM on the new MacBook Pro is actually as good as 16GB.
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The lower Your RAM, the higher the usage of virtual memory on Your soldered-in SSD. And when the SSD dies, Your MacBook dies too. And the sooner You buy a new Apple product. I have the wrong job.
We all have the wrong job :(
@illpunchyouintheface9094
Yeah politician or CEO are the only correct works. And the reason for that is they aren't works
I'm debating investing into Apple stock the way the Apple cult keeps enabling this bad product offering. Might as well profit from it too.
Apple is a joke nowadays the competition is so much cheaper and so much better
@@Raphael54433sadly the processors are some of the best in the end-user space, beating basically everything in energy efficiency... In probably every other way yes I agree
The fact that they charge $200 more for 16 GB and $400 more for 32 GB is baffling.
$400 for 24gb
Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave.
@@Ash_G Nah this was his vision. Wozniak would roll.
@pulinol Steve Jobs passed other people's idea as his own. He just repackaged things for ease-of-use. I am not sure where you get that from? Wozniak is still alive. So you fail on at least 50% of your reply.
@@shabadabba I remembered 32 GB... huh... that's even worse!
Went to the Apple Store, asked for a MacBook Pro.
"That'll be $7100." they say. I put a bunch of 36 tightly wrapped hundred-dollar bills on the counter: "There you are, unified compressed $3600, as good as $7200, and keep the rest as a tip" I said.
Well, I got out just before security arrived.
Lmao
lol
Haha
You did remember to pick the money back up before you left, right?
@@CommanderziffHAHAHAHAHA
8 gigs of ram in 2023 at that price point is madness
Apple's pricing the last 20 years across the board is madness
Linus made a video like a few months ago where he made a pc for the same price as a mac pro and the windows pc had almost double the performance in games mac managed to open and more than double rendering speeds. Apple fans claim that macs are the top notch for editing. They’re not
@@gamble777888this is ripoff
@@Swagtrap_CZ Macs *used* to be good, for a bit in the late 00s to early 10s, but that went away quickly.
Similarly, Mac *used* to be the industry standard for music-making, but not anymore.
@@InfernosReaper we have 2017 imacs at school and they run worse than my 2011 lenovo laptop
Apple’s motto: half as much for twice as much
That’s how it was in the 1990s, too.
Unified memory means the rest of the system including the GPU will now have to fight for RAM 😅
😄👍
Apple Developer must have been pissed off.
It could save some memory in some cases, but generally yes
😂 exactly! Anybody who knows anything about computers, knows "unified memory" is a BAD thing, not a good thing! Dedicated memory is ALWAYS better.
@@bluegizmo1983what? consoles have almost always had unified memory because it’s faster lol
The legal aspect of this is interesting, if apple is unable to show this as performance true, wouldn't that be false advertising and thus a reason for a class action lawsuit?
Bingo
No, because they say it is equivalent to "other laptops with 16gb of ram" they don't say it is better than a Mac laptop with 16gb.
Is like the whole "part of a healthy breakfast"
@@affegpus4195 this. The legal departments of these big companies wouldn't usually let anything with a big lawsuit attached to it slip by.
There's not enough concrete evidence to really win this claim. It's not a coincidence that the language they use and their graphs comparing new MacBooks with other laptops are always uninformative.
Yes
"If Apple customers complain they will eventually forget because there's not enough memory in their heads" lmaaao
I have 8Gb of RAM on my MacBook Pro ...... from 2010. 🤣
Kind of proves apples point. Your 8gb 2010 doesn’t hold a candle to the m3
Process 2024 minus 2010 in your head
Yeah, but MacBook pros had dedicated graphics back then didn't they? So your ram wasn't ⭐unified ⭐.
... Wonder how well that pro would run with a good SSD, compared to current pro
I have 16gb on my MBP which I bought in 2013. I waited a year, because I didn't want one with only 8gb. No way that in 2023 I'd buy a laptop with 8gb of RAM. That's just stupid.
@@d4qatoa Yes but the M3's inefficiency with only 8gb of RAM is much higher than a 13 year old Intel with 8gb of RAM. Because your M3 will spend far more time being starved of work to do because it cannot be fed enough work fast enough.
Buying 8gb of RAM on an M3 is like buying an F-16, but removing the wings. You'll have a great engine, but no way to take advantage of it.
For those who don't know, Windows also uses memory compression
And Linux. Weird flex from Apple.
But windows sells memory ram for about a tenth of what Apple sells each 8g ram "upgrade"
Say 200 more each 8g and windows laptops you can get it for about 20 usd
I know Linux has ZRAM, Thanks for enlightening me that windows has that as well, and it is on by default
@@MattExzyLinux is just the best at it. lol
But not all memory compression is the same.
GPUs also have been using ram compression for a long time and the compression has been getting progressively better over time
They should've called it iRAM.
iRam your mom lmao.
@@Redwood21how about iram your little tight sticky hole
Random-*ss-memory
I tried to open a 16gb sql file on my Mac mini m1 and it crashed. More memory ram is better. I tried to open the same file on my thinkpad which has 16gb and it opened without a problem. The thinkpad is 6 yrs older than the Mac mini m1.
Thinkpad is timeless, it's super reliable
Apple: "We'll keep charging you more and we'll keep giving you less" lol
The Post Reagan American way
Considering they're a 3 Trillion dollar company, it seems to be working. 😭
less is more: I give you less, I charge you more.
@@cjxgraphicsThe scam is working, yeah, that's how they got $3T
seriously, this shit should be illegal
It's a shame that even IF it were true, you can buy around 96gb of ram for the price Apple charges for 8gb (+$200). Let me know when they are 12 times as efficient with their memory and we'll talk.
Shhhh, don't talk about logic with iSheeps. Those sheep will believe if Apple says that their 8 GB RAM is DDR15 with 5000 THz speed.
My Gskill DDR5-6000 32GB cost me $200 on my PC. Are you talking about DDR3 ram ? In anycase yes the $200 for +8GB is a bit too much
Tbf their RAM on the M3 Max runs at 400 gb/s, while DDR4 sits at 25 and DDR5 is at around 38. Still ridiculous it doesn’t come with 16 to start.
@@mparkdaltonthere's no way the RAM they're using is over 10 times faster than standard DDR5.
@@mparkdalton I'm seeing mentions of the M3 max's gpu having memory bandwidth at 400gb/s not the RAM
It's a hassle having to juggle Unity, Jetbrains Rider and Xcode every time I want to build for iOS on my M1. Having all three open causes it to complain about running out of memory.
I got a thinkpad with 4 times the amount of RAM for the same price.
How much memory does your computer have?
@@gregorymoore2877 My M1 Air has 8GB RAM (I bought it used so I couldn't configure it) and my Thinkpad has 32GB, with either 4 or 8GB dedicated to the iGPU depending on what I'm using it for. My desktop has 16GB but the GPU has 8GB for 24 in total.
Having only 8GB is bad for the SSD too since swap is used a lot more. I'm glad I didn't get the M2 Air since that used a slower SSD.
If you are a power user, you should have knew to buy more memory when you bought the system. smh
@@danielrice5474 Perhaps Apple can give customers that option at less than utterly scammy prices? No? Good idea to go for an alternative then.
@@danielrice5474
To which price ? 😏
8GB of ram is probably analogous to swapping your laptop SSD to death just slightly after the warranty ends if you use more than one tab open in a browser.
8gb is fine for work and average use. I have 32gb and rarely use over 6 or 7 unless gaming
@@powerplay074yeah, it depends on what your work is and what use is 'average' for you. I have 64Gb of RAM, and firefox after a week of usage, can eat 32Gb RAM with no trouble at all. And I have other programs to run too.
But if 'work' is open one tab at browser and one offline word document, then yeah, I guess 8Gb is alright.
If you use online programs like Figma, Chrome can eat 2-4Gb just for one tab. And there are also other online service, like MS Teams, Google Docs, Web Email clients... And all this with adblocker enabled. Disable AdBlocker and say 'bye bye' to your RAM.
And games on the other hand are alright with 8Gb and 4 cores. As they are console oriented these days, and those have 4 cores and 8Gb of RAM.
So the paradox is, you can easily find a game for any old PC, like x86, or PIII does not matter. But work, if it is connected with Internet, you can not use old PC. Well, recently progress is not so much, so a 10 year, 'premium' PC from those years, with 4 cores and 8Gb can at least open something. But if you take an 'average' PC from those times from people like you "oh, 2Gb RAM is alright for work, and 2 cores is OK". Then those are no go now. You open google and that's it.
bingo, thats a goal of this - planned obsolescence pushing apple lemmings to buy new device sooner than they would otherwise do without it literally killing itself by normal operation
@@powerplay074 8G is not fine, gpu use 2-4G os 1-2g left you with so little, it will constant swap to your SSD, reduce your SSD life considerable and it slow down ur PC performance.
@@jetli740 lol gpu dont use almoust any ram if you dont play games or use editing or such apps. 8gb is perfectly fine for normal use/work use. Low tier laptops have even 4gb models. 8gb is allready on good size. Been using rog ally handheld which have 8gb sustem memory and 8gb vram alligned. And laptop with 8gb ram, ryzen cpu and ssd. Work flawesly and fast for work and text/picture editing. Main pc is 32gb desktop.
"Less is more....unless it is the price. Always more please" 😂😂😂.
I want less price please. A company with over a trillion dollars surely doesn't need more money.
@@_thresh_well more money always better
@@_thresh_thats why apple cant made own product still made by china sells like apple product pathetic loser company people belive in apple lies
The first McIntosh sold with 128 Kbyte of RAM, but all demo model in shop and TV ads had 512 Kbyte installed.
This is because the McIntosh could barely load the OS and have a single window open with 128 Kbyte. When the computer newsmagazine get a whiff of the fact they made a big storm out of it.
This to say, Apple have historically been poor with RAM. But at the time they gave the sockets for an expansion - no more...
I didn't know that and I love it!
The RAM chips were also soldered in place on the original Macintosh. The pins were big enough that you could desolder them by hand and solder in sockets yourself, assuming you also had the extra-long Torx T15 screwdriver needed to open the case. Some things really never change!
128kB is more than anyone can ever need on a private computer. And if not, then you’re using it wrong!!!
@@svenshruufx7380You forgot about the magical iRAM, that 128kb is easily worth 256kb of PC RAM... And if an iSheep is using it, 512kb!!!
alll the models in the apple store have the highest amounts installed and are maxed out. you can buy them off the floor
1:33 I love lines on unmarked graphs !
My wife's 2012 13" macbook has 16gb and 512gb SSD. So naturally I thought I'd get just pop out and get her a new computer with better specifications, seeing as that computer was 12 years old. I was wrong.
As of 2023, 16GB is the minimum decent amount of RAM. It is *shameful* that Apple is still releasing new MacBook models with only 8GB of RAM, which is insufficient for many users’ needs, and charging a premium price for the decent 16GB. This practice is not only unfair to customers, but it also shows a lack of respect for their intelligence and needs.
I would argue 8GB is fine. I'm still using a 4.5 year old laptop without any issues for my purposes and I use it daily.
The issue isn't that 8GB is an option. The issue is Apples terrible response to valid concerns and their refusal yo be straight forward and honest. Not to mention the price is absurd for the 8GB spec.
Hey man pls have a little understanding to understand that old systems have vastly differently optimised hardware/software combination than a current one..
@@dblevins343 depend on user honestly. I'm a programmer so I open chrome, visual studio, vs code. notepad++ and some file document and it's already 8Gb usage, fortunately I'm using 16GB on my PC right now. and this only when I code desktop app or web app, when I want to code Mobile App even 16GB is almost maxed
@@dblevins343 you argue that 8gb is "fine" because you don't understand how OSes or processors work.
If you have a super fast processor, and fail to feed it fast enough, you are basically underutilizing it. Your processor will constantly be waiting for something to do. Also 8gb when you have a hi res screen that is going to suck up much of that RAM is a recipe for disaster.
No way 8gb is in any way acceptable. You might as well just buy an Intel Celeron. No need for an M3 because you can't feed it fast enough anyway.
@acasualviewer5861 I think you might be surprised. 8GB can still work great. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely underspec compared to the other components in this build. It would be a huge bottle neck depending on what you're doing with the computer.
But it still depends. As dumb as it is, the vast majority of people I know who own Macs never actually use them for anything intensive. For the average user, 8GB is fine. If they're trying to do things that actually require good specs, the 8GB will 100% show its head as the weak spot.
My laptop is still running Windows great to this day. I have a Surface Book 2 back from 2018-2019. It still has a high resolution screen. Don't get me wrong, if I pull up practically any game on my laptop, the GPU (1050) in it and RAM are bottlenecks. But, that's not its job.
The issue here is that 8GB of RAM is clearly under-spec for the price. At this price point in 2023, this is atrocious. It literally makes the other components feel like they're wasted. Then there's the price to upgrade to 16GB lol. $200 is absurd. But, that's Apple. It's one of the main reasons I don't own anything Apple anymore.
Why give them usable RAM when you can get an additional $200 for that? Also, don't look at the storage.
Yeap..
If Apple would just axe the 8GB model... leaving anything else the same... well... nobody would run around here screaming. ;)
@@aptfxYeah, but then they can't have the misleading ads.
New M3 Macbook Pro! Starting at $1,599*
*the $1,599 model has barely enough RAM for 2008, and your SSD is guaranteed to die early because we cheaped out.*
@@davide4725 as owner of two M1 Macs... one with 8 GB and one with 16 GB I disagree on both of your framing... (I make a fair use of Logic, Final Cut, Affinity and Capture One with 24MP RAW files. This myth, that e.g. the smallest MacBook Air M1 would barely be enough for "Mails" is such a BS.
@@m_shariflol your comment has a translate to english button on mobile, and tapping it changes your comment to use the correct spelling of “yep”
8GB is enough for 95% of business users, which is the primary customer for entry level MacBooks. An 8Gb M1 Mac will run office apps and web browsers like a dream.
Apple in 2030: "Our customers already have iphones so we are removing them from iphone box"🤡🤣🤣🤣
8Gb of RAM on a computer when it's almost 2024 is borderline criminal. As much as I enjoy Apple products, 8gb is insanely inadequate! 16Gb is rock bottom minimum.
even more criminal is offering 8 more gb of ram for 200 usd
then they'll just increase the base price. doesn't make a difference
When APPLE used the IBM PowerPC processors in their Powerbook G4’s they had clock speeds up to 667 Mhz, while Windows notebooks had Intel and AMD laptop specific processors with 1.5 GHz speeds. However, those PowerPC’s were a different architecture than Intel and AMD chips, which meant that those 667 MHz speeds were actual equivalent to a 1.6Ghz desktop PC Intel Pentium processors than a 1.6 notebook Celeron chip…
Since APPLE uses their own silicon processors, which are head and shoulders above Snapdragon chips, and more efficient than Intel chips, it is entirely possible that 8GB of RAM is enough for a MacBook to suffice for ninety percent of what people will actually use it for. Power users will obviously need more RAM…
I am also guessing the majority of the critics are not computer hardware engineers either…
🤔
@@superzero4250 well, if you need 32 GB RAM a Mac will cost 4000$ which is insane.
@@superzero4250 Uh. For the G4 years Athlon was king of the roost, the 64bit instruction set that was so good even Intel licensed it from them because they couldn't do better in house. At the tail end of G4 was Intel Pentium D and Intel CoreDuo. G4 was so bad Apple switched to Intel. They had been upset with it's performance for years. The years G4 was around were explosively good for PC chips. That was the changeover to 64bit, which PowerPC didn't have. That was the changeover to hyperthreading... again PPC didn't have. The change to multicore, PPC didn't have. The major things we think of as a CPU now days the baseline minimum came out of those years. The next decade of CPU development was refining the major leaps forward of that era.
The fundamental problem with PPC, ARM, and now M is they aren't general processors. Not the way x86 is. They don't have to do everything well, they only have to do a few things well. They are good at what they do and bad at everything else. PPC, ARM, and M are all RISC. What that means is everything is handled as a separate operation. Any I/O call needed for a calculation, even to cache, is a separate order that needs to be put in the queue. RISC can't fire off orders mid operation, everything has to be queued before the operation takes place. This makes RISC really really good at known operations the pipeline is going to be doing. It's absolutely dogcrap at anything with changing data sets where one operation is waiting for another operation to complete. There's tricks to alleviate it, RISC can run every operation except the ones which absolutely need the new data then run those once it gets it. Unfortunately that's not always possible and it's just a basic design of how RISC works and it can't be gotten around. RISC just bottoms out in certain types of workloads. One thing about RISC, it does really really good at synthetics. Always has. The processor is handled a known data set and then just told to crunch through it. PPC back in the day had synthetic numbers which looked really good and fell apart in the real world. It did crap at anything where user input can upset the whole applecart by asking for something that's not already in queue. It had to toss everything and start over from scratch. Modern RISC isn't that bad, caching has come a long way since then to alleviate the problems. L3 wasn't a thing in PPC days so it doesn't have to flush everything out of memory like it used to. It's just still not as good at handling complex changing datasets as x86. Nowhere near as good. RISC works more like how we think a modern GPU works in how it handles processing data than a CPU.
People often see the flashy numbers on all the synthetic benchmarks for ARM and M then OOOH and AHHH. Well. ARM servers have been trying to get off the ground for a decade now and falling flat. Linux has had ARM support for a decade, Microsoft Server for half a decade. And well. Most workloads a server does just don't work with ARM. We see it on our tablets and phones too. Streaming video, wonderful. Known dataset, take the information, crunch the numbers, output video. Ever try to load a large spreadsheet onto an ARM tablet and run it natively? It's shit. It is on M too. The saving grace of RISC now days is how much is ran over the cloud in a web browser, the calculations aren't done on your computer. That only goes so far. Sooner or later people are going to want to do some level of native processing for things RISC is bad at.
And btw. This notebook is taking full usage of web apps. 8gigs of ram to open Safari and use everything in a webapp. That's what this notebook's target use case is. For people who can do everything over the web, great. Wonderful. Buy this, have fun with it. Never look back. For everyone else, avoid it like the plague.
I'll admit, I'm watching this video on a laptop with 8GB of RAM, but at least it cost WAY WAY LESS compared to the MacBook!
My 12 years old laptop has 8GB....... Well granted it came with 4, but because it was a mid class model. Top devices had 8GB 10 years ago - and cost less than fruit tech.
8GB is definitely fine for standard use. The issue is Apple charging a premium for it and aimed at 'pro' users. My year-old Windows HP laptop has 8GB, but it was also a quarter of the price as the MBP. I also have a 2014 Mac Mini that came standard with 8GB of RAM - which makes it all the more bizarre Apple is trying to sell 8GB as being justifiable for a 'pro' premium price machine.
@@marcfuchs6938I think we shop at the same place
I found a dell laptop w 8gb ram in the thrash lol
@@MattExzyStandard use or not, your SSD will die sooner than you want to upgrade
2:58 this made me realise I have changed how i hold my oversized phone compared to the smaller ones. My left hand is higher on the side than my right, so my thumbs cover more of the screen.
My Asus G50VT gaming laptop from 2008 ... has 8GB of RAM. Still usable for daily use on Windows 10 with an SSD i plopped in.
This guy is so freaking smart. No wonder he's the CEO of all companies
yeah, all you need is 8 gigs of system ram kid.🤣🤣🤣
because the thread ripper has more cores there for needs more ram to get the ram to core count ratio in the same sweet spot🤣🤣🤣
It's funny how both Apple and Nvidia are supposed to be the "premium" brands, but they mostly just ask for premium prices and then give you amounts of memory that are already considered obsolete today, then pretend like more memory is worth hundreds and hundreds more, even though their competitors already offer more memory at much cheaper prices.
The only reason to go with Nvidia is either if you really want raytracing for some reason or for a 4090
also its a bit funny that the 4090 has the same amont of ram as the 3090 ti and the RX 7900 xtx
To bei fair only a few years ago there wasnt a alternative for nivida
Now AMD has good GPU aswell
@@RekdarThe RX 480 and R9 290X would like a word, just to name a few examples from the past decade.
only 8gb of ram for a 400$ card??? 😭😭😭😭😂😂😂😂😒😔😔😔😐😰😰😰😰
and if i want a 32gb ram card it costs over 2000 dolars????? 😲😲😲😲😑🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀😱😱😱😱😱
how am i going to use google 11 youtube tabs with only 8gb of ram???
screw nvida man.....😂😂😂😂😂❤
@@Rekdardoubt it.
You're still losing like a lot of frames for what? The same power usage? And like the worst drivers on earth. AMD is only competitive with how unstable they are
AMD is a joke.
"Less is more unless it's the price" 😂😂 .. this should be Apple's new moto
Bro... i just today upgraded my old pc from 8 to 16GBs. And these "geniuses" are going backwards XD
It's good to see they didn't say 8GB unified is equal to 1TB Ram on dual socket threadripper. Please cover dust gate affecting pre 2021 MacBook Pro
Lol, "dust gate" is lazy disgusting slobs who do no routine or preventative maintenance commiserating in Steve Job's virtual cry closet. How do you let your system collect so much dust it presses into solid form causing stress fractures on the display? I am absolutely not an Apple fanboy by any means (never owned an apple product in my life), but some of the complaints I've seen in the past have been laughably ridiculous.
And unified memory is always garbage compared to segregated dedicated ram. Interoperability is good, until your SPU blue-screens your system when you're not even using it due to bad memory allocation.
well, it is you know.🤣🤣🤣
Obviously ... _I want the 4GB model_ ... because I want something _4-times as fast._ 🤪🤣
I don't relly know which one I would get since both the 4 and 8 models stopped being produced in the 70's.
Ohhh you were talking about Apple? I was talking about Commodore.
@@jackalenterprisesofohio C64 - beat any PC at boot time
Oh geez. "Memory compression"/"RAM Doubler" was one of the biggest scams of the 90s. Even our Computer Science oriented College was full of licenses.
I had a 16GB RAM MBP. Cost $2799. Company owned it. If I turned on MS Teams, Slack, and Chrome at the same time, it just crashed or got stuck. I got a 32 GB RAM model next, it helped slightly, but anytime something had to be run, the fans kicked on. It didn’t crash as much but was just slower all the time.
Meanwhile my 7 year old Windows laptop with worse specs and 16 GB RAM has never frozen. And it runs those apps completely fine. As in, AutoCAD, Illustrator, Chrome, some other MS Office apps, and Zoom. All at once, no problems. Cost $1000
Apple sucks. No way around it. Unless you pay $$$$$ but that’s not a fair comparison.
That RAM thing on Apple devices is sadly a bigger rip off than 60hz screen on non pro iphones. Good to see more videos about it, otherwise nothing going to change.
Admittedly, 60hz still allows the phone to work at least. 8gb RAM actually really hurts the experience, and also make more use of the SSD which in turn makes the SSD fail sooner, which kills the entire mac...it's almost like they planned it this way... hmmmm...
even if they are mocked this much, will they change? I assume other mobile companies will see this and follow suit, this is more likely, just see how they got away with removing headphone jack, charger brick etc.... now all companies do the same thing
The funny thing the only basic options on Amazon for M3 Macbook Pro are 8 GB 512 TB and 8 GB 1 TB. You can´t even buy it with 16 GB as basic configuration at most places. I would choose 16 GB 512 for Base M3, but yes, Apple made it that it´s only 200 bucks or so more to go 18 GB RAM / 1 TB M3 Pro at that point.
It won't change anything
if 8gb on macbook outperform 32gb on windows, why should anyone care? People who learned that specs don't translate to real world performance, don't care about specs. People that compare specs buy windows, and people who compare real world performance buy mac.
Only since M chips. before the M1 performance was just bad. Then it was a trade off between build quality, good speakers, keyboard, trackpad, screen, longevity, reliability or performance. Now it's a trade off between better build qualitiy _and_ performance or gaming compatibility.
Apple is also working on gaming.
Yes, i know. I also used to compare specs and people who claimed worse specs were better seemed brainwashed to me.
Just small examples:
- iphone has lower Megapixels camera, lower GHz chip, lower RAM, and lower battery capacity. Yet it takes better videos, has the fastest chip, not the best RAM but equal to competition - that has twice the GB - and longest battery life.
Specs are tempting because they are easy to compare.
If only there was an alternative Apple customers could buy that allowed them to customize and replace the hardware on their devices at will.
@@danispringer Which part of the word "hardware" did you not quite understand?
@@danispringer Acer, Asus, Dell - brand names on boxes, what matters is the hardware inside the box. Nor are they just Windoze machines, all can run Linux, (all are available with no OS), and all have models that can be Hackintoshed. The Win/Mac OS war was over years ago and the brand name wars were over long before that.
Hardware? We could argue about that all day, but for what I'd pay for a Macbook Pro M3 from a tech chain where I am I can get an i9-13900, 32GB RAM and a 1TB M.2 PCIe SSD. A lot of peoples' buying decisions are based on bangs per buck, what and how many bangs they need and, further down the line, upgrade and repair costs. Exorbitant prices for the latter two are always going to be subject to comment. $200 for 8GB RAM is a particular case in point as is the issue of user-upgradeability.
Incidentally, you might know hardware better than I ever will but the reverse is equally true...
@@danispringer What's an alternative? Anything that's not Apple. Duh
@@danispringer you can get a different os
@@danispringerman isheeps are so afraid to think
I laughed too hard at that "solder boy" gag 😅.
Go on, solder boy, tell 'em!
Except you cannot solder more RAM in. Or replace it if it fails because of part pairing.
I know the memory types are completely different, but I got 64GB DDR5 on my desktop for about $164. I clearly don't need more than 24gb tops for my work but why not at that price.
The problem isn't the 8gb of Ram in the base model its the Fact Apple charges £200 per each 8GB of RAM upgrade when you can buy 8GB of RAM from Any other vendor for £20
Not to mention the fact Apple charges £200 per each 512gb of storage meaning an 8TB SSD is an Extortionate £2400 when you can buy the same amount from anyone else for a mere £300 !
If Apple dropped the price of upgrades from £200 to a more reasonable £50 people wouldn't complain so much and they'd probably sell a lot more laptops !
No, no, NO! This is not " a problem ". It is how Apple has done business since it's very beginnings.
Apple work on the how much the idiots will pay philosophy.
@@antonyfirewalk2178 They have their die hard fans convinced its still 2005 😂
That's the strategy. They cripple the base model to make the (super expensive) decent model look like a good deal.
I agree.
So, the M3 Air will have 4GB RAM because it is actually 8GB RAM performance compared to other laptops.
You're a smart cookie. My thought exactly. If 8gb is enough for a "PRO" device then why does the Air have 8gb RAM as a not "PRO" device?
Надеемся, гении из Apple не прочтут этот коммент.
and the apple Air will have 2gb of ram cause its 4gb of ram
2040: the new 32k MacBook Pro
It's because less is more! It means 4 gb is worth 32!
The reason for only 8GB RAM in the base model is to make people want more. They know it’s bad, but they want competitive starting price point. But they don’t want anybody to pay the starting price. They want people to pay +230€ for that extra 8GB. Which is just pure extra profit as the reasonable cost for a 8GB module is just 20€. Apple is very good at making money, that’s why they do it.
I have never had an Apple and we will never have one. This is how we teach them that the customer is always right. Thank you for reminding us.
"I am here to tell our customers to shut up!!". I literally spit out my coffee. Hilarious😂🤣!!
As an Indian, I legit thought when you typed Ultra Tech, it would return the cement company and you would crack a joke on how drying cement is analogous to soldered memory
even i was expecting ultratech cement 🤣 and im not even indian
Ambuja crying in the corner
Same here. I got disappointed when it wasn't the Cement.
Disappointment 100
...And my day is ruined
The ad for the video had the tagline "more is less" 😄
Just bought my wife a framework laptop. I ordered it with 1 32gig stick that was $120. And i have the option of adding another stick of ram in the future if i want to.
Apple when they realize their unfied memory is for the CPU and GPU, therefore it's even less than 8 GB that is there only for the system: 🤯
He mentioned that...
Apparently unlike windows/Intel architecture, macs don't need multiple copies of the video data. Think of how much time is saved not moving mountains of video data between CPU RAM and video card RAM.
People often compare desktop CPUs to apple's quiet and cool laptops....
I got a "new" Dell Precision laptop (12th gen i5 vpro) at work...fan always runs, air coming out is very warm...yuck. Makes me want an MacBook Air or pro (and maybe a new windows desktop, as I have now).
@@ericsnyder6763They get hot too and you easily feel it thanks to the metal body.
On a hot day it's even worst, feels like they are helping heat up my room even more.
@@ericsnyder6763 Regardless, 8GB is not enough RAM. And 512GB storage is not much either. The prices, Apple is charging are ridiculous. For most PC laptops and desktops,16GB of RAM and 1TB of storage is the minimum.
@@ericsnyder6763 Para eso existen las Notebooks
8GB ram in a computer in 2023 should be considered a war crime.
Or it should be considered a computer for normal person not someone who spends 10k just to get 2 more fps in game
@@realdragon When you spend more than 2k on a computer as a "normal person" you expect it to do something more than just PowerPoint presentations.
@@makodad Fair but I spent like 300$ and do much more than just watch YT, I work on it, I watch, play games...
And guess what, I have 8GB RAM
@@realdragon You can play games on a calculator with less than 4MB of ram so by your logic it would be fine if they included only 4MB since it could play some games.
@@petrkinkal1509 You really missed my point. My point wasn't that it's ok for Mac to sell overprice electronics but to explain to people that you can absolutely have 8GB RAM and this is enough RAM for a lot of people. But people in comments act like you can't do shit with 8GB and you need 32 or something to function properly
Take a stand against Apple. Just stop buying Apple products until the dishonesty ends.
I have never bought an Apple product, used one for work as a software engineer but had no choice in that, they supplied it. I really don't see the attraction, if you need linux use linux.
Great video! Thanks and I'm now a subscriber!
yesterday's technology at tomorrow's price
“Your thumb goes from here to here… but not to that far corner.”
More RAM doesn't automatically mean the machine is faster.
I have a 2022 M2 Macbook Air 8GB which I primarily use in my music studio. I use it to control my DJ hardware with DJ software, to handle my gear while producing music and ocassionally do a bit of website editing. It all depends on your needs. As a former IT-professional, I've seen a LOT of (idiots..) people who really relied on the placebo effect, without realizing it. More RAM is nice, but only if the task(s) you're doing requires it. And only if the system can handle it. There is no point in adding more RAM to a machine when the software only uses half of it.
That said however, it's an absolute criminal thing to charge 600 bucks for a RAM upgrade that's 90% cheaper on Windows systems.
I use memory compression on my 10 year old computer (zswap on Linux) and I still have 16GB of RAM.
The main purpose of the zswap is that so performance does not hit such a hard wall when I go to disk.
The Mac Pro may be using the SSD for swap. Compressed swap also reduces SSD wear when using it for swap.
When I bought my MacBook Pro 15 retina in 2013, I had a choice between 8 GB and 16GB, and I got 16GB. That was 10 years ago!
I only bought Mac Book Pro 2014 instead of Lenovo Yoga because they had 16gb vs 8gb, the only hope is that EU passes a law which will force any device called a professional notebook to have 32 GB.
Apple is like NASA. The technology goes backwards
I got mid 2013 15" mcp 16gb 512gb ram i7
@@DewtbArenatsiz yes, because Hubble was so much better than JWT, right?
@@DewtbArenatsiz
The James Webb telescope, technology going backwards ?
Mmmmmmmkay....
Just funny to see 8 or 16 GB's as "Pro" is a joke these days...
Exactly. 16GB in 2007 wasn't exactly pushing the boat out. Plus a single tab on any average browser will take up about 100GB+ these days.
*100MB@@Bertie_Ahern
@@Striker50_firefox takes 400 as base, depending on how bloated the website you're viewing is it can range between 100mb for a static html site and 1gb for a big react website
3:23
"Giving you half as much and pricing it four times as much"
8GB was the amount I got running in... 2008/2009, and 16GB since 2014 (just for a windows gaming PC, for a linux server it was more like 24GB)
In 2017, 8GB was already unbearable to have on a gaming PC, 16GB was the bare minimum, and as today for me that minimum would be 32GB. At least it's what you need in order to avoid swapping at all cost, or, even get rid of the swap once for all (your NVMe SSD will thank you for that... by not dying), what I did 15yrs ago, even before SSDs became a thing, and I don't regreat it.
8GB is just good for the backup Thinkpad I have just in case, and for network maintenance...
Apple really became a cult, not to say a sect, nothing is rational about it aside of the cashflow.
My ThinkPad has 16gb ram.
@@kornaros96 mine is 10 yrs old (T430)
@@Jean-Denis_R_R_Loret T520 here
I routinely use 14+ gb in my video edits and no amount of compression will get that data on 8gb. Pagefile will be quite active, so I hope the drive is quick.
Don't forget the drive is both soldered in, and technically contains the bios so if you toast it you'll just have an aluminum chunk of e-waste lmfao.
At the price apple is charging for storage it better be optane or 3d xpoint.
@@legendarylava8775 But it won't.
I'm sure the drive will be quick.... To shit its pants.
If you have a friend with a macbook (preferably with 8gb), try to open the same project and compare play back speed in the edit and render times.
I know, no one will believe this without trying themselves, but the memory swap works like magic. It turns your whole ssd into ram. And while that might be a little bit slow for certain tasks, it is more than fast enough for video editing. As I said, I know you won't believe it. I wouldn't trust a random internet comment either. Thats why i recommend to not trust me but try it yourself or watch some videos where they compare video editing on windows laptops and macbooks (make sure to not only watch apple friendly or apple hater content, but both).
all jokes aside that they can get away with everything anyway was on point 👌🏼
That was my favourite part.
the dude at the Apple store recommended me the base M3 14inch MBP with 8gb RAM saying it's enough but I'm returning it for a binned 16 inch M3 Max with 36gb Ram. It should be plenty also for the GPU which nowadays rarely use over 8-10gb, so the rest of 28-26gb Ram should be available to the CPU divided among the 14 cores, so about 2gb per core. Anyway the prices are outrageous considering the lack of upgradeability of the machine.
This is why Apple is a multi billion profit company. Greed is their main focus.
Even 16GB today is the bare minimum. If you only just open a browser, there's 10GB used already if you want it reasonably fast. And RAM sticks got dirt cheap, so it's not a money problem. But 8GB? What year is this? 2006?
I don't know if you are exaggerating with the browser part or your browser is mining crypto
@@ServeraServera0I sure hope he's exaggerating, I got like 100 tabs in Firefox and I'm not even using 7 GB as of writing this
1599$ to get 8GB in 2023! 😂
Thanks!
Leave it to apple to give "shared video memory" a fancy name to justify their price gouging
Windows and Linux also uses Memory Compression...
weird flex Apple, but okay.
memory compression use some cpu cycle mean ur PC run a bit slower
Macbook 1982 Edition with 512 kilobytes of ram 5 MB hdd for 17.000$, available March 2024
Actually I checked the specs and it's 64kb which Apple states represents the same as 512kb on any other system cuz Apple so cleverz and stufz
I love it. Bought one apple product and they obsoleted it thru software updates. within 4 years. I still have 5 old PC's still working. My latest has 64gig ram and a RTX3080 GPU. Blazing fast.
the laptop i'm currently watching this video on with 16gb of ram from like 6 years ago...
the funny thing is that it's shared memory, which means it's even worse than 8gb. it's more like 6gb, probably. and 2 for vram
dont forget OS use some ram too
Work gave me a laptop with 8GB RAM. It uses 70% with just outlook teams and edge with two tabs open...
I knew this was gonna happen one day, feels good to be proofen right again and again that I have chosen the right path by going for a more open pc platform
Don't forget that the lack of memory also kills the onboard soldered m2 drive incredible fast if you put some load on the system.
In theory, it could be killed way before the warranty runs out.
The thing is you CAN get a lot of RAM in Macs but the problem is that this is a marketing scam by lowering the announced price artificially
the best ever pork pie🤣🤣🤣
"i have to say this pie is quite average" LMAO! samtime that was so smart of you to include... the quality of your jokes is unrivaled
This has already paved the way for the next brilliant step: Charging MORE for the 4GB version 😛
Unified Memory means the graphic card has no dedicated memory and uses the 8GB too. In fact 8GB on a MacBook is less than 8GB not more.
They calculated the RAM size with an iPad.
impossible, there is no calculator app for ipad
I got me 64GB of RAM for $400.......
In f***ing 2016!
This reminds me of a time back in the 70's when Linn, the maker of high end record players released the Sondek at a press conference. Ivor the boss was asked why it didn't come with a 45rpm speed? "Because 33rpm just sounds better!" was the response. To which the reporter asked "In that case why weren't LPs designed to play at 1rpm?" It all went very quiet apparently.
"Because marketing research has shown us our Appel fanboys are dumb and will give us an extra 200 dollars for something that should be standard at the other price."
All the more reason why I VASTLY prefer PCs; you can change the RAM and the hard drive size if you want.
True, but this is changing. The only way you can get 12-channel memory is with an epyc server motherboard, and a chip that costs 5 grand. In all likelihood you are saying you appreciate being able to swap out dual channel coy memory and forgetting your gou memory is soldered into the card and you are capped at 24gb vram in a consumer card. Some serious limitations, that make the upgradability a big whoop in my view. In memory computing and neuromorphic computing isn’t compatible with that slow dual channel swappabke memory. Apple is just a year or two ahead of where even windows pc are headed, because innovation requires it.
@@d4qatoa I'm confused by what you've said. Where is Apple offering 12 channels for memory?
@@d4qatoa Most of what you're saying is a non-issue. Few need 12-channel memory, I don't think consumer mobos have even ever had 12-channels lol. GPUs also haven't had upgradeable vram in decades and hardly anybody is complaining (the current issues with nvidia skimping out on vram aren't really related to this, that's just Nvidia, not PCs in general, becoming more like Apple).
If normal PCs have been like this for decades, why would they suddenly change into where Apple is in just two years? What you mention above aren't serious limitations, just small nitpicks that only a few people will actually care about (and those who do care about it probably have the money to spend on professional hardware in the first place)
0:19 "Less memory than Samsung... phones." 😆🤣
im on my last macbook. my 2011 model was fully upgradeable. new ones, not. so switching to other products
I have not used compressed data since the 90s when hard drives were so slow it was faster to compress data and let the CPU uncompress it.
Guys its true, 1/8 > 1/16 Tim was right
Is the keyboard and screen an upgrade option?
My 2009 iMac also has 8GB RAM, although I understand that it’s not the same as current memory modules. I bought that computer second-hand around seven years ago, for around £100.
thank god they haven't said 256 gigs of storage is equivalent to 512 gigs
more like 400 gigs with apples video and foto formats that occupy 40% less capacity at same quality
Oh you mean like an aif file where I need to convert to a format that is usable in any format if I don't have an apple product. Right.....
@@illyack5593
exactly, but we are talking about the internal storage of mac, arn't we?
@@PfropfNo1200 GB is one Call of Duty update.
Watching this video makes me wanna buy another 32GB of RAM for my PC.
I'm at 64GB of DDR4 RAM on my home desktop. Juggling multiple tabs and apps effortlessly. Do it!!!
you can get 32gb ddr4 3200 cl22 for less than 50 bucks, no reason to have a low amount of ram
your ssd thanks you!
I was having some odd ideas about buying a mac pro, I couldn't understand why they would not come with 32 or 64 gb of RAM...
They can, you can customise it on the buy page. A fully spec'd out MBP can have 128GB of Unified Memory and I don't get why videos like this are ignoring that fact.
And now that both the CPU and GPU are using the same pool of memory, it means the RAM must be SHARED, the GPU is going to eat some of that precious RAM. Basically the applications will have something like 4-6GB of available RAM, and what will happen is that the SSD is going to be used as a virtual RAM.
we must boycott this. 8 gb itself isn't a problem, being SOLDERED and less than 64 gb is.
Soldering is a hassle but don't forget that their parts are paired. You can be the best technician in the world and unable to replace or upgrade the RAM, GPU or even the sleep sensor without a re-pairing tool from Apple.
As always, great quality content, Sam. But, sadly, you are fighting a losing battle. I don't know about US/ Europe but here in all Asian countries, buying iPhone and iPad and MacBook is a SERIOUS status symbol. Those sheeps don't even use their phone other than calling, texting or Facebooking, BUT they MUST have an iPhone to do that.
the whole strategy of Apple is to create wants. If you use Apple you are hip, cool, creative, attractive, young minded or enterpreneur-wise .. it's an assault of subtle persuasion. works on a significant section of the population. but kinda sad. all for selfish greed massive profits and to totally destroy the environment.
Sadly in the US, I don't think it is much difference, as the people definitely aren't buying the phones for the specs
Very much the same in the US. An iPhone is a status symbol to most children.
Same on Brazil 😂😂😂
funny
There is a reason as to why CPUs use DDR, but GPUs use GDDR. Unified memory is good for consoles, but not so good for other tasks.
it depends a lot on how the system is made. the increased latency (the most common issue with VRAM compared to regular RAM) is generally offset by the physical layout and speed of the unified RAM. it's why consoles have the RAM in a tight circle around the SOC.
but yes, normal RAM should be better for the CPU. the difference isn't that big though.
Well consoles also get around that by not actually running games at 4K, they run it at 1080p then do some upscaling to a fake 4K.
From my research, what was once spread across a motherboard is now condensed onto a single chip, accompanied by a new technology to manage it all. Previous rules may not necessarily apply. Once all the bugs have been ironed out, Apple silicon proves to be a different animal.
This really shows that older macs COULD run newer mac os than their last suppported versions a imac from 2008 runs big sur no issue yet it isnt officially support3d these guys are the pros at planned obsolescence. And old pcs with linux oh boy do those last up to 13 years