she was so talented. I just wish her coaches would've taken out that damn Comaneci back when she was younger. She was on top so many times and then bars would come up and that was it. :(
She did a routine without it, that still had a 10 start value, at a couple international events in 98 and 99, hit it, and only scored in the 9.4s. I think she needed a flashy move like that to get a big enough score to contend in the AA, since lets face it her overall bars work was fairly crummy. At best a Romanian quality. So without a flashy move she would get a mediocre score even hitting.
@@richardross4677 True, true. I thought she was better on bars as a youngster. When she got a little older, it seemed like her bars form just really tanked. I dont know why.
@@SOS-ct9mv Yeah, alot of the gymnasts had eating disorders during this time. It's like it was trendy then. The coaching was abusive and they always focused on the gymnasts weight so, I guess if you heard," your fat", everyday, that would make someone like that. Horrible stuff.
Well, I just watched a video where it's like present day and she's a coach now and she is saying that this this wasn't the end of her career it's just different now. You know they can't all be gold medal winners at the Olympics. And she has many many medals and lots of accomplishments to be proud of. And now she's helping the next generation Excel. I think that's an awesome accomplishment.
Her coach was more invested in his career than he was in hers. She will always be my favorite all time gymnast. Peace and respect to you Miss After and thank you for your beautiful gymnastics!!❤️☺️
Every time I watch this video and hear Al say "You get the feeling if she can just nail it once", I think of her routine at the 98 Nationals where she did nail and was rewarded with a 9.8. I thought then and now that if anything could get her past the worst of her bar problems, that routine would have been it, but it wasn't. The move to WOGA did her so much good, but I think it came a couple of years too late to restore her confidence in herself and her ability to do bars.
Bella intimidated her for too long. It is on utube. He is intimidating her and she falls off the beam. Very upsetting to me. Vanessa just didnt have the confidence. She was ultra sensitive and very affected by things. She was a beautiful gymnast. Marta was so wrong not to put her on the olympic team. But what goes around comes around and it came back around to Marta and Bella. Marta had a very weird vibe and U.S. gymnastics blindly gave her the reigns unquestioned.
She was politically majorly in favor in 98, which explains the super generous 9.8 which she is not worth on bars even with a totally hit routine. And she also had the Commaneci, which while I agree was smart to finally take out, was the flashy move she needed to give her more scoring potential on the event. This routine would have only scored around a 9.5 to 9.6 even if she had hit it. I still wish she had not headcased and made the Olympic team though. Her vault, beam, floor could have all contributed something to the US team score.
@@brendaannedufaur6244 The Karolyis were asses but they were not wrong to not put her on the Olympic team. She totally bombed at Nationals and Trials. I still might have put her on over Dawes who was outdated by this point, but Dawes contributed a huge bars score at the Olympics which Atler never in a million years would have done, and the top US beam score in team finals, which Atler could do even better hitting but she had become super inconsistent on beam in 2000, and pretty much any event. The big thing she would have added to the US team in 2000 if she didn't bomb was vault, but she messed up her vaults even pretty badly at Trials.
the problem was WOGA triggered her bulimia, weighing her three times a day (!!) and harping on her to do extra conditioning outside her normal full-day workout schedule.
It's not that she didnt really love gymnastics. She did. And she of course wanted to be on the Olympic team. They just made it too pressurized for her and it took the joy out of it but if she had gotten the right coaches early, she could have soared. Dominique Moceanu said she got to the point where she hated gymnastics due to the abuse of her father and Bella but when she got to a better situation away from them she loved gymnastics again and excelled.
I don't appreciate Tim chuckling at her mom hiding her head... Nothing about any of this was funny. What Bela (by coercing her away from Charter Oaks) and USAG did to Vanessa is right up there with their treatment of Kim Kelly and now, to a lesser degree, Laurie Hernandez. Participation in this sport is not for the team players or thin-skinned people of the world. I'm hopeful for the turning of the page - although it's a little scary to think that the "athlete representative" is someone who was coached by Al Fong... somehow that really doesn't sit well with me.
@@danasuperstar I could be totally off here but I think they're talking about how Laurie didn't get to compete for a chance to qualify to the all around final at the Olympics.
@@revaew1379 yes, i do think so, because martha wanted aly to be in the all around, not aly´s fault btw., she is nice. however,i dont think it is racisim beacuse she liked gabby so much and also annia hatch, unless martha had somethng against latinas.
I don't think the dismount was bad enough to warrant a 9.212. It seemed no matter what she did she was not gonna score high because the powers that be already decided she wasn't on the team.
Valerie Liukin is a cursed coach. Yes he gave us Nastia, but he has burned out so many of the World’s top gymnasts: Vanessa Atler, Rebecca Bross, Katelyn Ohashi. I would never let him near my daughter.
If she was so bad at them, why didn't she just drop them? The teams were bigger back then, it's not like they would have even needed her to do it at the olympics
@@majormajors4326 If she had made the Sydney team I 100% guarantee she is sat out of bars, even in qualifying, and used on the other 3 events only. The only way she touches bars if if she is still one of the dominant 1 or 2 All Arounders in the US, and then they use her on bars in qualifying, and sit her off it in team finals, but after coming 4th at Nationals, even when she still looked like a lock for the team at that point, there was already no way she was touching bars at the Olympics, so that didn't need to be a real worry for her. Yes though in that day specialists were not a thing, you still had to compete on every event at meets like Nationals or Trials, unless you had some sort of injury petition.
This routine has more difficulty than required for the 10 start value and a bunch of pirouettes she isn't good at, whyyyy? Poor thing, nobody ever gave her a suitable routine. It wasn't hard to get a 10 start in that code, look at this for example: *Straight jump to handstand 1/2 on low bar + Maloney + Bail + Stalder shoot *Straight cast handstand + Giant 1/1 + Tkatchev *Straddled cast handstand + Giant + Double Tuck full twist dismount
This had horrible construction, but only 0.2 extra BP: 1. Giant 1.5 + Fwd Giant 1/2 + Giant 1.5 + Pak = X+C+D+D = 0.6 (X = Required 'D' VP / no BP) 2. Cast 1/2 + Stalder-shoot = C+C = 0.1 3. Tkatchev + Straddle back + Toe-shoot = D+C+C = 0.3 4. DLO 1/1 = E = 0.2 1.2 in BP. They should've left the DLO - she underrotated the DLO 1/1 throughout 00. At 99 Worlds, she had a very efficient routine: 1. Uprise 1/2 + Tkatchev + Uprise 1/1 + Pak = C+D+D+D = 0.7 2. Cast 1/2 + Shoot = C+C = 0.1 3. DLO 1/1 = E = 0.2 After a 9.475 in prelims, she botched it in TF+AA. Between 97-00, she fell on so many diff elements; so, while this set was too complex, she would've had issues regardless. Shap + Bail + Shoot combo would've been great, since she struggled with precision/pirouettes, releases, and endurance. Getting a lot of bonus from transitions would've been smart. My ideal set would be: Tkatchev + Uprise 1/2 + Pak = X+C+D = 0.3 Shaposhnikova/Maloney + Bail + Shoot = D+D+C = 0.5 DLO 1/1 = E = 0.2
@@jjs5056 The toe-shoot was just a B in this code, so no bonus. That straddle back + shoot ends up adding no value to the routine, she already has enough bar changes and bonus points. Also for the Fwd Giant 1/2, it's extra difficulty because she has one hand in L-grip, that's why she hops to regular undergrip when rising up during the giant.
@@Zuranthium Thank you for that info! I have NEVER been good at identifying forward grips, so this quad is usually a killer. SHE LEARNED L-GRIP work at WOGA and THIS WAS THE ROUTINE THEY CAME UP WITH? 1. Giant 1/2 to L-grip (C) + L-grip Giant (X - Req. D VP) + L-grip Giant 1/2 (D - 0.1) + 1.5 (D - 0.1) + Pak (D) = 0.4 CV + 0.3 DV = 0.7 BP 2. Cast 1/2 + Shoot = C + C = 0.1 CV 3. Tkatchev + Straddle Back + Shoot = C + C + C = 0.2 CV 4. DLO = D = 0.1 DV 10.0 SV Wow, what a crime. :(
NBC liked this problem of Vanessa’s a bit too much.
she was so talented. I just wish her coaches would've taken out that damn Comaneci back when she was younger. She was on top so many times and then bars would come up and that was it. :(
She did a routine without it, that still had a 10 start value, at a couple international events in 98 and 99, hit it, and only scored in the 9.4s. I think she needed a flashy move like that to get a big enough score to contend in the AA, since lets face it her overall bars work was fairly crummy. At best a Romanian quality. So without a flashy move she would get a mediocre score even hitting.
She was bulimic and had not strength when she was performing this. Her words.
@@richardross4677 True, true. I thought she was better on bars as a youngster. When she got a little older, it seemed like her bars form just really tanked. I dont know why.
@@SOS-ct9mv Yeah, alot of the gymnasts had eating disorders during this time. It's like it was trendy then. The coaching was abusive and they always focused on the gymnasts weight so, I guess if you heard," your fat", everyday, that would make someone like that. Horrible stuff.
Well, I just watched a video where it's like present day and she's a coach now and she is saying that this this wasn't the end of her career it's just different now. You know they can't all be gold medal winners at the Olympics. And she has many many medals and lots of accomplishments to be proud of. And now she's helping the next generation Excel. I think that's an awesome accomplishment.
She was my coach!
She was so talented. She was a sweet kid that felt she owed it to everyone else to always win. That would make most people break.
Her coach was more invested in his career than he was in hers. She will always be my favorite all time gymnast. Peace and respect to you Miss After and thank you for your beautiful gymnastics!!❤️☺️
Every time I watch this video and hear Al say "You get the feeling if she can just nail it once", I think of her routine at the 98 Nationals where she did nail and was rewarded with a 9.8. I thought then and now that if anything could get her past the worst of her bar problems, that routine would have been it, but it wasn't. The move to WOGA did her so much good, but I think it came a couple of years too late to restore her confidence in herself and her ability to do bars.
Bella intimidated her for too long. It is on utube. He is intimidating her and she falls off the beam. Very upsetting to me. Vanessa just didnt have the confidence. She was ultra sensitive and very affected by things. She was a beautiful gymnast. Marta was so wrong not to put her on the olympic team. But what goes around comes around and it came back around to Marta and Bella. Marta had a very weird vibe and U.S. gymnastics blindly gave her the reigns unquestioned.
She was politically majorly in favor in 98, which explains the super generous 9.8 which she is not worth on bars even with a totally hit routine. And she also had the Commaneci, which while I agree was smart to finally take out, was the flashy move she needed to give her more scoring potential on the event. This routine would have only scored around a 9.5 to 9.6 even if she had hit it. I still wish she had not headcased and made the Olympic team though. Her vault, beam, floor could have all contributed something to the US team score.
@@brendaannedufaur6244 The Karolyis were asses but they were not wrong to not put her on the Olympic team. She totally bombed at Nationals and Trials. I still might have put her on over Dawes who was outdated by this point, but Dawes contributed a huge bars score at the Olympics which Atler never in a million years would have done, and the top US beam score in team finals, which Atler could do even better hitting but she had become super inconsistent on beam in 2000, and pretty much any event. The big thing she would have added to the US team in 2000 if she didn't bomb was vault, but she messed up her vaults even pretty badly at Trials.
the problem was WOGA triggered her bulimia, weighing her three times a day (!!) and harping on her to do extra conditioning outside her normal full-day workout schedule.
It’s still amazing to me that Nadia Comaneci could do a bar move in 1976 that is very difficult to do in 2020.
I liked how they arranged the pirouetting sequence at the start
if this would've happened to sacramone if she didn't drop bars
The problem was she had stopped loving the sport but was just too scared to say stop because she didn't want to let people down.
It's not that she didnt really love gymnastics. She did. And she of course wanted to be on the Olympic team. They just made it too pressurized for her and it took the joy out of it but if she had gotten the right coaches early, she could have soared. Dominique Moceanu said she got to the point where she hated gymnastics due to the abuse of her father and Bella but when she got to a better situation away from them she loved gymnastics again and excelled.
Vanessa I miss you so much... I loved you yesterday... & I'll Love you the Rest of my life !!!💓💓💓😻😻😍😍
I don't appreciate Tim chuckling at her mom hiding her head... Nothing about any of this was funny. What Bela (by coercing her away from Charter Oaks) and USAG did to Vanessa is right up there with their treatment of Kim Kelly and now, to a lesser degree, Laurie Hernandez. Participation in this sport is not for the team players or thin-skinned people of the world. I'm hopeful for the turning of the page - although it's a little scary to think that the "athlete representative" is someone who was coached by Al Fong... somehow that really doesn't sit well with me.
Catherine Sinkel what did they do to Laurie?
Catherine Sinkel yeah, that was what I was wondering too!
@@danasuperstar I could be totally off here but I think they're talking about how Laurie didn't get to compete for a chance to qualify to the all around final at the Olympics.
@@revaew1379 yes, i do think so, because martha wanted aly to be in the all around, not aly´s fault btw., she is nice. however,i dont think it is racisim beacuse she liked gabby so much and also annia hatch, unless martha had somethng against latinas.
You can't tell? Kind of odd. Anyways, I looked at her myspace page. It's nice to see that she is involved with the sport again!
She left her old coaches about a year before these trials. That's when she went to Liukin
gymlovr828 maybe she went to Liukin because he's good with bars?
I don't think the dismount was bad enough to warrant a 9.212. It seemed no matter what she did she was not gonna score high because the powers that be already decided she wasn't on the team.
I think they should have just watered this routine down to just the required elements.
Valerie Liukin is a cursed coach. Yes he gave us Nastia, but he has burned out so many of the World’s top gymnasts: Vanessa Atler, Rebecca Bross, Katelyn Ohashi. I would never let him near my daughter.
Yes, and now it looks like he's working hard at burning out Konnor McClain
And he did!!
If she was so bad at them, why didn't she just drop them? The teams were bigger back then, it's not like they would have even needed her to do it at the olympics
She was an all arounder. If she made it to Sydney, she was going to do bars in qualifying in order to attempt to make it to the All Around final.
@@majormajors4326 If she had made the Sydney team I 100% guarantee she is sat out of bars, even in qualifying, and used on the other 3 events only. The only way she touches bars if if she is still one of the dominant 1 or 2 All Arounders in the US, and then they use her on bars in qualifying, and sit her off it in team finals, but after coming 4th at Nationals, even when she still looked like a lock for the team at that point, there was already no way she was touching bars at the Olympics, so that didn't need to be a real worry for her. Yes though in that day specialists were not a thing, you still had to compete on every event at meets like Nationals or Trials, unless you had some sort of injury petition.
He did only the year of the Olympics.
I don't care. I love her anyway.
Really? I didn't know she was involved with the sport anymore. How is she? What gym does she work for?
I wonder I
That's all they had to do. The removal of the Comaneci. I have NEVER completed a pommel horse routine and never will,!!
muitooooooo loko...
Valeri liukin
@luv4cookie1 no
This routine has more difficulty than required for the 10 start value and a bunch of pirouettes she isn't good at, whyyyy? Poor thing, nobody ever gave her a suitable routine. It wasn't hard to get a 10 start in that code, look at this for example:
*Straight jump to handstand 1/2 on low bar + Maloney + Bail + Stalder shoot
*Straight cast handstand + Giant 1/1 + Tkatchev
*Straddled cast handstand + Giant + Double Tuck full twist dismount
This had horrible construction, but only 0.2 extra BP:
1. Giant 1.5 + Fwd Giant 1/2 + Giant 1.5 + Pak = X+C+D+D = 0.6 (X = Required 'D' VP / no BP)
2. Cast 1/2 + Stalder-shoot = C+C = 0.1
3. Tkatchev + Straddle back + Toe-shoot = D+C+C = 0.3
4. DLO 1/1 = E = 0.2
1.2 in BP. They should've left the DLO - she underrotated the DLO 1/1 throughout 00. At 99 Worlds, she had a very efficient routine:
1. Uprise 1/2 + Tkatchev + Uprise 1/1 + Pak = C+D+D+D = 0.7
2. Cast 1/2 + Shoot = C+C = 0.1
3. DLO 1/1 = E = 0.2
After a 9.475 in prelims, she botched it in TF+AA. Between 97-00, she fell on so many diff elements; so, while this set was too complex, she would've had issues regardless.
Shap + Bail + Shoot combo would've been great, since she struggled with precision/pirouettes, releases, and endurance. Getting a lot of bonus from transitions would've been smart.
My ideal set would be:
Tkatchev + Uprise 1/2 + Pak = X+C+D = 0.3
Shaposhnikova/Maloney + Bail + Shoot = D+D+C = 0.5
DLO 1/1 = E = 0.2
@@jjs5056 The toe-shoot was just a B in this code, so no bonus. That straddle back + shoot ends up adding no value to the routine, she already has enough bar changes and bonus points. Also for the Fwd Giant 1/2, it's extra difficulty because she has one hand in L-grip, that's why she hops to regular undergrip when rising up during the giant.
@@Zuranthium Thank you for that info! I have NEVER been good at identifying forward grips, so this quad is usually a killer. SHE LEARNED L-GRIP work at WOGA and THIS WAS THE ROUTINE THEY CAME UP WITH?
1. Giant 1/2 to L-grip (C) + L-grip Giant (X - Req. D VP) + L-grip Giant 1/2 (D - 0.1) + 1.5 (D - 0.1) + Pak (D) = 0.4 CV + 0.3 DV = 0.7 BP
2. Cast 1/2 + Shoot = C + C = 0.1 CV
3. Tkatchev + Straddle Back + Shoot = C + C + C = 0.2 CV
4. DLO = D = 0.1 DV
10.0 SV
Wow, what a crime. :(