I see a lot of people complaining about grinding. Grinding isn't the issue. The game, and most MMOs, have grinding baked into it. The problem isn't the grinding, it's what you're grinding for. Right now, I'm grinding for gear to grind the same stuff I've been grinding but better, and that blows.
The family wide-karma and removing one side guild dec was a terrible idea. One of the biggest reason for many players to get better gears was because of competition (PVP). They could've easily disabled PVP for some server for players to grind who doesn't want to deal with PKER and I'm not talking about the current seasonal server but the regular server. We have arsha, so it would make sense to have a server for PVP to be disabled with the exception of dueling. There are plenty of ways to tackle griefers, and these things mainly happen to streamers. Instead, they gutted PVP because they think more new players is gonna join. The entire reason people want to play BDO is the current player base that made the game what it is. Take that away and you'll have a shitty game. Lastly, PA really undervalues the current player base and tries too hard to cater to newer players.
They're catering to China. All these changes have been made for the China release, as their laws on pvp are much different. They thought they'd get big bags from China and fucked EU/NA in the ass in order to do so. But even if China is like 4 times bigger than EU/NA in population, you think more chinese players earning 400$/month will make you more money than eu/na players earning 1500-2000$/month? Everyone knew EU/NA was their biggest cash earner for a reason, we have the highest salaries and the biggest amounts of disposable cash. 100$ a month for a NA player is pocket fun money, 100$ for a chinese player is food for an entire month. It's the same reason eastern europe doesn't buy game and pirates everything, because salaries there are also like 400$/month, and asking an eastern european player to pay 60$ for a single game is like asking a NA player to pay 180$, if you do price:salary ratio. More players doesn't mean shit if they won't even spend 10$ a month. It's better to have 10 players that spend 50$ each, than 200 that spend 2$ each
players have made forum posts on bdo's community forums asking for a pve only server and the amount of pvp players that have come to that discussion to cry about it is unreal. Also those same players were complaining about lack of other players to kill on arsha.
Facts, majority of what he just posted I just said on another post. With out pvp this game has lost its identity..it's sad to be honest to have to sit back and look at my favorite game be destroyed by the creators. Makes no sense.
Preach! I left last year when I was at 300+ hours for a 2 or 3 stat gain, staring down that grind time + the open world pvp being destroyed killed it for me.
I quit about a year ago, and it was largely because I've played the game a boatload, and any gear upgrades I could get felt insignificant. Had all the meaningful AP brackets and was over dp cap. Basically, I was at the point where I would have to grind hundreds of hours for a PEN debo that really does nothing in the grand scheme of things.
BDO fulfilled a niché. An open world PVP game with amazing action combat, that got its audience of loving players, who despite the game's many faults loved it nonetheless. But, the devs at BDO weren't satisfied, and either because they didn't receive as many complaints from their fanbase or because they wanted to grab new players, continued to slowly make update after update that appealed to a different fanbase, which slowly changed the game- away from their initial game, away from their strengths and away from their core fanbase.
If that's the case then why has the game gone to shit since everything pvp has been messed with???? The game been lacked content.. but with out the pvp there's no real beef, no reason to get stronger.. it changed the game in a negative way because the true core where hard core pvp players. The decs, the node wars, the red players. That was our group content because there isn't any. Game is dying because of alot of things BUT in my opinion disregarding pvp was the major reason the game isn't the same..
@prestigioushustle346 thats the problem. You people are looking at a small dip over the course of a couple months. Where in reality looking at the graph over the course of the last 9 years, the game has the same average playercount that its always had. If pvp really was this almighty beloved crazy important thing that everyone cared about, you'd see a MUCH bigger drop. But that just isn't happening. BDO is about as bad as its always been when it comes to progression, the new pity system may as well not exist and crons are still required for any real progress. Game is far from perfect but let's not pretend a lie about what the majority of people care about. Should they fix instanced pvp? For sure. Pvp is a small chunk of the playerbase but that doesn't mean they should get shafted
@@TheCosmicAstro- The server population after they killed PvP says otherwise. Most people DID PvP. You couldn't grind anywhere decent without fighting for your spot. You sound like a new player to say some false ish like that. Anyone who bought or signed up to play BDO was consenting to PvP. The entire game was marketed as a hardcore open world MMORPG where PvP can and will start at anytime. As soon as they took it away their player base has continually dropped. Numbers don't lie.
@harveyhouk775 ive been playing the game since 2016... nice projection and ad hominem though. Anecdotal "evidence", ad hominem, projection. Youre really struggling there, bud. I'll give you one more shot to actually formulate a proper reply. If you use logical fallacies again, imma just ignore you Youre correct about 1 thing. Numbers don't lie. And the numbers show the game has the same average playerbase its had over the last 9 years. So good job proving yourself wrong.
I'm glad you act as a voice within the community. I personally gave up on this game when they made the open world PvP changes. Its such a pain, a combat system that is UNRIVALED, and a beautiful story, just to go to waste. Node Wars and Siege bringing hundreds of people at times. The beauty of strategy, having a good shotcaller, and bringing all these people together. They had a solid template to start with when they had finally gotten the game from Kakao, yet they just targeted the game to be even more cash grab, when so many players thought that aspect of the game would've changed under the publishing of PA, but it just got worse. They put more effort into the pearl shop items rather then listen to the player base. One of the crazy things that they had in the game 2019/2020 was that you could make money from literally ANYTHING. Node Empire, Lifeskilling, Crafting and enhancing gear, grinding, and even QUESTING. Remember doing scrolls for more silver per hour than any of the Val or Kama spots that were out at the time? The versatility was insane. Compared to the grind spots now, these things became very obsolete even after many failed attempts of reviving these features of the game. Lifeskilling has gotten huge improvements but its mediocre at best. Love this game to death, but I'm not willing to throw away my life just to keep up. Sorry to rant. I know you always welcome feedback and thoughts in your comments section, I stopped playing years ago, yet still watch your content from time to time.
At the beginning of summer I took breaks from BDO and probably logged in three times. BDO has turn into pointless solo gear grinding and nothing else. Life skill is boring and pointless, because nothing has improved in a while and guild stuff is also very pointless and there is zero reason to be in guild only to witness and be part of lame dramas. I'm not a role-player or big story enjoyer, but I also see how BDO doesn't have anything for those players either. Gender lock, no story, no world-building and it's crazy for a sandbox mmo.
Yup. I got a bit into ff14, and so far I absolutely loathe the story (im almost done with HW) and it's literally a chore for me, and I cant skip it, raids and cool transmog and everything is locked behind the MSQ. But at the end of the day I can just go mine and craft and immerse myself a bit, go to the random players that sit in the city and chat with them. When was the last time someone whispered you like "your outfit looks cool!" or "Hey, whats up, I like your name" in BDO? NEVER. When you base your entire game on one single aspect (mindlessly grinding) then at least put all your resources into that and make it more than an amazing experience. Develop it some more, do some mini events like on gw2, where people can gather in a place to kill mobs together and after killing a certain amount they earn good rewards. But nope, they just reskin old areas and mobs (if even that) and increase the ap requirements and that's it. There's no story to this game, there's no roleplay, no socializing, no immersion with the world. Just log in, mindlessly grind, get +1ap after 2 months, rinse and repeat. All succesful mmos out there give you choices. You don't like raiding that much in wow? Fine, go do some actually rewarding pvp, or rp, or farm transmog or achievements. You don't like doing the story in GW2? Sure, complete all the areas, or again some rewarding pvp, or achievements. You don't like grinding in BDO? Oh well, you can... do like 500 quests on a story so trash even a middleschooler could've written better, or... go whisper random afk players in the big cities and get no replies, or .... get a ship and right click on the map, press T then alt tab and come back 20 minutes later. You can't remove some of those choices from BDO (pvp scene) and give us nothing in return. Variety is the key, eating cake everyday would make you sick of it no matter how much you love cake. What's there to do on BDO besides grinding now?
Most of the games i abandoned where because of the insufferable big amount of grind and impossible to reach to end game items. Got a life outside the screen, don't want to grind years for some pixelated polygons with sparkles
This is what killed it for me. The PVP changes only bothered the a-hole players. I didn't want to grind persistently for years just to keep up with being able to log in and and play rbf for no reward.
Then you are playing the wrong game and genre. Tired of crybabies that doesn't have a clue in what game/genre they are, and cry about it, and want everything to change for them, instead of actually play the game that suits their need.
Their focus on gear gear gear and no content just seems so out of touch. Debos are definitely a problem but not more of a problem than having no fun content or pvp where that gear they keep adding even matters
@@Oomlie Why add more actual content when you can milk your playerbase with another chase item and focus driving around in your new Bugatti while collecting money from copium addicts.. J said its fine so now everyone back in Dehkia spots to grind your next debo tap or J is gonna be malding.
dam, i am so agree with you, good i stoped to play 1 year ago this game just not worth the time we gave to its so not worth like there no any real content to try and get all the content you had become capped, there no point anymore to grind Just waste of time :))
Love seeing this! Someone who actually cares about the game, expressing topics that need to be shared. A lot of these MMO's have HUGE potential to be something that people can enjoy for years to come, but just get ruined by corp greed. Really unfortunate to see. I started bdo for the first time a few months ago and left because of the amount of mind numbing grind you have to do to progress in the game. Makes the game boring af! Keep making these great videos!
played since the korean beta and i can't stand it anymore. you made valid points and i agree with what you said. Also the jank is getting old. falling animation, boss spawning outside of fightable areas, ect. nothing fun about the game other than the combat and that get smack with jank too. fix the overall game and i might get off T&L
Agree with your points, great video. I'm about done with BDO after 6 years. The gear progression and build diversity got nuked earlier this year. I have full PEN Tungrad gear, each piece was about $50 Bill. Now all that gear is essentially new crystal fuel for Deboreka accessories. PEN debo's are $250 Bill, so now I need to grind 5x more for each accessory upgrade. Like most people I can't run in circles for 8 hours a day for the next 2 years to upgrade my gear.
i love this, finally someone who actually understands, one thing tho. Dont believe for even one second we got the pity system out of the goodness of their heart if nexon hadn't been found fucking up with ppls RNG they would have never added this
Open world pvp, GVG, Street war, turns grind spots into bloody battlefield, where can you get content like this? well only in BDO, that's what makes BDO different from other MMOs, and they removed those contents. if the reason they removed one side dec was to reduce bullying between players, the situation is very different on my server, I play on the SEA server, when one side dec was still there, players still had manners, were afraid to do reckless things in the grind spot so as not to endanger themselves, friends, and guild mates, they were really afraid of having problems with other guilds. and when one side dec was removed, the situation really changed, people who were previously very careful became more reckless, guilds who felt they had little power, even though they were not big guilds became wilder, griefing in people's spots with the mindset "oh no one will be able to dec our guild anyway". toxicity really increased.
nahh the problem is NOT recent changes to karma, and guild flag mechanic, and bla bla... those are good things indeed 'cause forcing a guild to kick a specific member and then force him/her to quit zerging him/her was definitely a thing if not a goal since the game hasn't true engaging content at all and never had: bdo was always grind for the sake of grind and enhance, STOP. They simply had to split the servers between pvp servers, with old/ more punishing pvp mechanics, and pve servers with new rules where you can grind in peace if you're not in the mood of pvp. This way you have 2 sub comunities spending money on your shop and actively playing the game instead of 1 simply quitting the game... and when one of these 2 subs start to bleed players for whatever reason you simply rearrange the servers allocation and make every1 happy. For sure adding level of enhancements when the system was already frustrating af is NOT a solution... but pvp mechanics were indeed a good choice, just poor implementation.
The super long grind for items wouldn't be bad (it was like that way back when PEN was almost unobtainable), but there has to be more than one viable way to make silver. Lifeskills are barely hanging on by a thread. The recently buffed Lakiaro is what like 250m/hr? At absolute max? Like... what? That's like 10 minutes of grinding at Dekhia Crescents. Where the hell did trading go? Why... why couldn't they have just buffed the numbers on the rework to make it viable? I don't get it.
As far as I understand it, lifeskilling doesn't make their main money from the skilling. That's just to build wealth. Then you invest and flip the market. Buy up everything and control the market. It takes months to see it through. Hunting and snipe can at the very least net 1.3-2b/h.
They put the pity system in the game because they want to release in China and Chinese law requires a pity for any RNG system in games. That is all, no other reason besides that.
at first I thought t&l's swipe system wouldn't be detrimental to the player base but seeing what guilds like Epherium are doing is single handedly going to kill the population of players until its just whale v whale guilds. Why am I mentioning this? because even though technically BDO is "p2w" it's not on the level of destroying the game, the devs are destroying the game with content updates/reversions, not cash shop items. BDO is still salvageable but there are doing everything in they're power to move further away from it.
Throne's system is flawed. If not Epherium it'll be another guild or alliance that will steam roll. We saw it in KR many times and AGS is aware of this issue. But a little secret about Epherium, I can share this since I'm in the guild. they have whales but majority of its players don't swipe excessively. They make thousands of lucent by farming and strategically selling items on the auction house. It takes a lot of resources to make an item into Litho and i see on the auction house people selling lithos for 1-2k. It's such a waste. You have to target the really expensive ones. Many of the players in Epherium are new to the game as well. We thrive because we all understand the intent, we'll die following the shot call and prioritize PVP above all. Also the KR vets and class leads teach and guide us. If you haven't seen Maxroll.gg's Throne and Liberty guides, quite a few were written by Epherium members. Here're a few tips for some easy Lucent i did myself, it might still work for you. 1. I spent 1500 contract tokens to buy a choose your weapon box. It lets you pick a purple weapon. I litho'd the bow and sold it for 6.6k. The price is down now to 4.2k now but still good profit. 2. In the Shadow Crypt dungeons, I only farm the Enforcers. They drop my bis cape but also drop RED RUBRIX. these rubrix are used to make weapon lithos and the purple ones sell for 200-250 lucent each. It was a steady supply of lucent for me, I've sold over 3k worth of these in the past few days. Hope this helps!
The amount of grind is the problem and the lack of content overall. In most mmo's you would have to grind, but usually to reach level 80 or 50 or whatever level cap there is. Lets say in other games you grind 1 month to aquire your max level and customize your gear to a specific build path before you engage in raids, pvp and other types of content. In BDO you grind 2 years for the same gear everyone has, no diversity , no creativity regarding builds, only to quit the game because you've reached max gear and there is no other content to do after that. We play games to kill time and have some fun, in bdo we just kill time for no reason. I'm happy to say that I quit playing like 3 months ago and I feel no itch to log back in.
I agree with other comments that BDO can easily be saved, but PA is so incompetent I highly doubt it will happen. It's like having a car that just needs new sparkplugs and an oil change, but the stupid owner just ignored it until the lack of oil destroys the engine
they really thought they were slick pivoting the game to cater to the Lost Ark refugees, ended up destroying the game long term because none of those players actually stayed and lots of older players quit because of the changes.
Give this a fucking Like. Damn man you are alway so positive about bdo but here you are spitting true facts! Devs were playing chess and each decision was killing the game further, killing its player base.
i think its time for them to make a sequel for BDO version because they cant fix the game anymore, no matter how hard they push a dungeon the game isnt design for it even classes is not designed for a group play in dungeons, they add new grinding spot same result only few are viable, they have the combat and class design that no other MMO, i surely hope they think making a new MMO
Have you noticed they havent given out a nice number of cronstones lately as rewards or anything. They now are wanting u to buy out fits or spend MANY MANY hours to grind for silver just for a 5% chance LOL
@@faisalchowdhury1945 I've been telling them for years that they are incompetent, they had the best MMO at their fingertips and they managed to destroy it
@Pansy, I agree with you. But something everyone needs to remember is most of us have spent the money we are going to spend on this game. We already have weight, storage, pets, costumes, tent, etc. Over time we have dropped our investment and are "playing the game". Unfortunately, PA needs a continual cash flow, and they are not getting it from us. As with you, I've seen many players I've met come into the game, drop some pearl money, eventually see the system, and left before dumping more money. We just chose to stay and play the game for what it was while not folding to the shop. They certainly weren't getting it from the no life PVP'ers who lived in the BA or RBF, and most of the NW no lifers because they focused only on capped NW. Then came AOS. These are literal EBT players with subsidized housing in game and are only there to take. It is what it is. Those are the leeches PA is trying to get rid of and it's too late.
6 months ago pvp guilds were thrinving in BDO and players were laughing at Throne n Liberty. How things changed.. Throne now thrives and players laugh at BDO pvp
Great content. Keep it up. Man... if they had added pity sooner or near the start of the game so that I could've benefited from it before losing all my motivation to play/grind, I probably would've played so much more and I already played too much. However, the new gear is still too much of a grind (items+crons) for a casual like me who made the majority of their money in lifeskilling and only dabbled in grinding to deal with compared to the past. At this point, my plan is to keep an eye on the BDO news and log in when they give free taps and free items away (don't ask why; it's a disease) and then log back off since we're never making it back to the fun that BDO used to be. Too bad there also aren't even any announced MMOs with potential. Feels MMOs are dead man.
Hey @Pansy after watching the video, I've got a genuine curious question to ask. What took you so long? Was it because of the time investment that you're afraid of letting go? Or it's also because of multitude of things like audience interest/addiction/etc. I felt like someone as intelligent & sincere as you should've seen through all the nasty crap PA has pulled on the players but a lot of my friends that''s quit the game were of similar reasons. Nice video by the way as always, love it.
I feel like this game still has all the fundamentals. It just needs a major overhaul of the questing, add some dungeons, and fix pvp. Sure, not easy things to fix, but the base designs is already there. I'll just park my Valk here and maybe oneday something happens!
I actually liked Dosa Awakening, because it felt like Avatar the last airbender, with all the elements. I dislike that wizard doesn't control all the elements.
I also think that a lot of us high end players are burned out from doing the same thing for years. Like i have new reqson to grind, i can geind to get sov weapons, but i don't want to, i dont feel happy doing it. I simply cant grind more than 1 hour a day. Even thst gets tideous. I just wish for 1 thing. Permanent 1 fuel tagging system. Im nkt interested in spending 3 billion silver to tag a character.
After playing TnL, i have to say...at least BDO can be saved. TnL and this whole real money Auction House is something that can't be fixed. It's a terrible idea and much more greedy than PA ever was. After the recent Dev Talk of BDO, i do have more positive thoughts about BDO. TnL ended up being better than expected, but it's not a game i see myself playing for long. But it's good to kill some time until BDO improves. And at 9:16, i think u misunderstood. They showed a graph, where they showed that they made the Sovereign too HARD, not too easy.
Yeah comparing TnL's monetization while hyping BDO ain't it chief. How is BDO any better than Throne? You buy costumes, sell for silver and buy what ever gear you want? How's TnL any different from other games? It's designed to stop bots from free farming currency while you can sell items and earn it. World of Warcraft Sells WoW Tokens which are converted into gold. Gold is used to buy gear and even boosts. Guild wars 2 sells currency directly as well by allowing you to convert cash shop currency to gold and buy gear and boosts. Runescape sells bonds which is sold for gold and buy gear and boosts. You know what all of those other games have? Bot's saturating the market making it not worth normal players to go farm and sell most items. Try doing lvl 99 skilling in runescape, you make pennies. Each game has its systems and ways to combat it.
Are you sure btw? I watched the vid ealier today and in the Equipment section they talked about the Sov Weps, they said that they wanted to make it easier than anticipated which they did but in a sense made it too easy.
@@imPansy They talked about the Materials for the enhancement, not the enhancement itself. They originally planned the Sovereign weapon materials to take longer to obtain, they never meant the enhancement itself. It was shown that majority has the Weapons on PEN or lower, which means they never even meant the really high grades like DEC. They wanted to make the enhancement easier, but more gradually, but since the Materials flooded the market right after release, it was more about Crons than Materials and they said that was a mistake. Probably hinting towards, that they realized that especially in higher grades Weapons are too focused on Crons instead of Materials. That's how i understood it, since the graphs showed clearly, that the majority of Sovereign owners barely made it to HEX.
i prefer Dosa Awakening. hes a taoist and it connects to Korean Shamanism. its fantastic. all the do wielders are korean wizards so the doubling down felt like it was coming full circle. great video tho :D
At this point i don’t think there is anything they can do, to make streamers and haters happy. Literally you will always find something to cry about no matter what. Go play wow and see how it feels to have a company that literally does not care about players, costumer support is ai generated 😅
Roll back Guild Dec change, implement my idea of guilds opting in Roll back Node war change Change vendor cron price to 1.5m ea I'd be back instantly. Wow rocks, I don't need them to care about players I need them to develop a good game. War Within exceeded expectations, the raids were dope
@@imPansy They won't roll back anything, and this was terrible. Forcing players to PVP or into Guild Wars was terrible idea. Who the f**** stops you to play PVP and to do Guild Wars if this is what people wants? You would PVP freely and you would accept the Decs. But the reality hit the surface that people didn't want to do this type of stuffs, and that's why you are all crying, cause you can't force majority of the players to do PVP. If that was the player base of PVP, why are you crying now? You would still PVP freely, Open World PVP and your Decs would be accepted. But no, the community didn't want that s****, and that's why the no-lifer like you are crying. You lost me as a fan with this video bud. Saying stuff how griefing was not a problem, when it was huge problem. Saying you can fight back on Grind spot or stuffs like this. Curious how a PVE focused player can fight back, when his PVP combos/rotation is completely different and he needs to spend half day just to PVP to get good at it. And then he was going to get one shooted by someone with higher AP score, and he have ZERO CHANCE. Also we have PVE/PVP setups, which makes Open World PVP not just stupid, but terribly stupid, as a PVE setup you have no chance. Oh switch Server, and what happen if the spot is taken in that next server? Waste your time to wait, or go grind some other spot, but the other spot is taken, what ? Wait some more .... Unless you are no-lifer, no one wants to deal with that frustration. This is the main reason BDO lost so many players, as they were punished and PKed big time, when there was big population flow. The mistake PA did is to not remove Open World PVP way sooner, and have just few servers with it. Again answer this, if people wanted to PVP, why you are crying about one side Decs, if you supposedly want to PVP, people would accept the Decs ? And you have 2 arsha servers, what the heck is stopping you to PVP in there?
Pearl abyss just ran out of funding. They pulled development off of dokiV and put it into crimson desert. They really are just pinching pennies until crimson desert releases and if that game flops then it’s over. The thing that’s crazy to me is the things that are low hanging fruit. Just by changing =1s to =0s or adding a 0 there or taking a 0 out here the game would be so much more fun. Like seriously, why are imperials still at CP/2 threshold? Why does polishing alch stones take so long? Why does shai still exist? Can we fire the guy who redesigned elephants in war? So many easy fixes. If I had control over BDO’s development for 30 minutes I could make them so much money so fast. I really don’t get it dude.
I can relate to the last bit about so many QoL changes that would make this game so much better. As with every other game that's being developed it's clear that these people don't play their own game.
@@TheMantheon563 The only one who's clueless is you dude. Go research profits and study some economy. You realize MMOS take way more resources, as you constantly have to come up with updates, upkeep the server stability, manage the playerbase with guild masters, deal with RMT/Hackers and all that, right? BDO since launch has a 2 billion dollar profit. But how much of that was invested back into the game? To release new content? To pay the wages of people upkeeping the game? Also, just to let you in on a small secret: most of this profit actually comes from the mobile version of BDO. Meanwhile Palworld, a small indie game, albeit succesful, hasn't been out for more than a year if I'm not wrong. It already has 25M sales, and at 30$ price, that's 750M. Almost half the BDO profit in 1/8 of the time. And again, Palworld is an indie game. If they make Crimson Desert right, they can easily look at around 10-30 million copies sold. With the basic price of 60$ for an AAA game, that's 600M to 1.8B in sales. Let's average it to 1B. That's half the money BDO made, sure, but they're making that in 1-2 years compared to 8. And there's also DLCs and such. Also, if they don't continue working on the game, they don't need to put more resources into it. Pearl Abyss has 1300 employees, let's say only 200 work on BDO. They have a minimum wage of 7$/h, so let's be generous and round it up to 1k/month. That's 200k/month for employees ALONE without accounting for bonuses and doing less than minimum wage. What about the price of the servers? World of Warcraft, in 2017, had around 9B in sales (monthly subscriptions, expansions, in game purchases). A game that was out for 14 years already. GTA V has a similar amount, albeit it can also be an online game, it's a single player RPG first. And I promise you it took less money to make GTA V and to upkeep it, than it took WoW to make all those expansions, upkeep the servers, hire game masters, and so on. So yes, a single player game does make more money than a MMO.
@@spookyclaws5350 like i said, clueless lol comparing Crimson Desert with Palworld? the literal 3rd most peak player count game on steam of all time? lol "they can easily look at around 10-30 million copies sold" brother, you're soooooo off lol, my man, Breath of the Wilds, Smash Ultimate, Diablo 3 sold 30 million copies, Elden Ring sold 25, Crimson Desert is a niche relatively unknow game, it'll be lucky to sell 1-2 million, for comparison, Dragon's Dogma 2, a game form a similar genere as CD thats a sequel to a know game from a massively acclaimed developer, sold around 3-4 million copies but even if it is as you think, it would STILL make less revenue than BDO, you said it yourself, yes, over "less" time, but that isnt 1-2 years now, is it? the game has been in developement since 2018 and it comes out next year, thats 7 years of developement, and thats assuming it would sell 10-30 million copies (it wont lol)
@@spookyclaws5350 You are cluesless if you think profit comes like that, and math works like that. Just because a game cost 60$ or so, doesn't mean all the money goes to the company. Steam get % from that, they also have taxes, etc, etc. Also they are paying tons of employee big salary, as salary in this industry is not small at all, and they gave millions of salary every single month. People thinking gaming company making billions like that are really stupid. Only few company are making such money.
Quit BDO as soon as I reached Debo grind in EU. I can never understand how anyone in EU would be content with how difficult it is to get crons in our region. I can get 1-2 costumes per week if I'm lucky, for the rest it's all vendor crons. But I hear other regions have it way easier, especially NA/KR outfits sell A Lot more there!
There's a video by someone (either Anders or Bicep) about how PVP was changed to comply with Chinese gaming regulations. There are some requirements for games with PvP that companies need to comply with and it's easier to get a game in it you just avoid it all together. As a company, it makes sense to get into such a large market. Good for shareholders, but not good for the players.
PA is just trying to do the grab like what lost ark did in the cn release. Lost ark cn made more money than all lost ark servers combined since their release in just 5 month.
alot of people got griefed and don't forget the crystal feed . can't speak for others but i got griefed so many times i can't even remember . Now a days they griff u in dekia spots by just stealing ur mobs and loot . i am very happy open world pvp is gone :) the best decision ever.
It is interesting, but even though I agree with many things you mentioned, I'm still enjoying BDO daily (as a lifeskiller at least) :) The reason I barely do any pve is because it really is a bit boring for me to grind in circles for thousands of hours - especially when I finally get enough silver to buy something and after I bought it, a few months later the value goes down 5x. Basically it would just feel like I wasted a lot of time, just threw it away by doing something that isn't fun. But I do like life skills a lot (as long as I'm aiming for exp) and also I like the co-op bosses a lot. I have 18h in EU and started over in Japan ~a month ago. Before I thought I would never play the game if I had to start again from zero, but here I am, a noob in Japan :D Anyway the game at least for me is still very much enjoyable, but there are for sure things that I can not understand why PA is not trying to fix, improve or add to the game. Good thing is that recently they showed that they are at least trying to listen and do something, but I hope they will continue do a lot more in the favor of players :)
I am not a PvPer (in BDO) so the PvP changes didn't impact me negatively. I think the biggest problem with open world PvP is you are forcing people who do not want to PvP to more or less become the content for people who enjoy no-challenge fights or to grief people. The vast majority of my deaths I was afk so it wasn't even a fight, even if i was there, i wasn't in a pvp spec and I don't have the setup to even be competitive in pvp so it wouldn't have mattered if I was there. Kicking someone out of a grind spot is different, it still isn't a fair fight but at least you are on a class/spec that can fight. But it still forces people who don't want to PvP to PvP. It would be like forcing PvPers to fish if they just want to PvP. I think there are better solutions, what they did was just kill the desire for people to PvP. IMO I think guilds should select a state, either PvP or PvE and it isn't easy to change from one to the other so guilds can't hop around to avoid declarations. Only people in PvP guilds can participate in PvP events and different events can have PvP rank minimum requirements. PvP guilds can open declare on other PvP guilds. All PvP guilds have a rank which gets reset at the start of every month. Guilds get points towards this rank for each open world kill, have a leaderboard so both guilds and individual ranks are shown and have cool rewards for guilds and individuals who are on the top end of the leaderboards. You can prevent exploitation/abuse of the system by having the points for kills be based on the difference in ranks and have diminishing returns on killing the same people over and over. I think you need to have a vibrant PvP landscape outside of events, because if you love to PvP it should be something you can log into the game and have access to that all the time. Having something like that would allow people who want to PvP have consensual PvP with others who choose to PvP, without exposing people who do not want to PvP to forced PvP. Because in the past some alliances prevented others from accessing PvE resources through just controlling the environment. We got to this point because PvPers abused the open world PvP mechanics and if you tell a developer they have to spend all these resources to police a bad system or change the system so they don't have to then they will ALWAYS change the system. We just didn't get a viable alternative.
Spot on. 100%. The one thing id disagree with is, they didnt kill pvp, they killed griefing(you can still force pvp anyone you want anywhere you like). Alongside pvp IS something you can access all the time. Its called Arena of Solare. I do however like the idea of guilds deciding being pve or pvp and based on what you choose, you are either open to being open world pvp'd or protected from being open world pvp'd if you chose to be a pve guild. but yeah other than that one point you are 100% correct on all fronts.
@TheCosmicAstro- I get your point but I’ll pull the uno reverse card and say it’s even easier to grief someone grinding by grinding over them and karma bomb. Now with heavier karma restriction and no repercussion for the guild, you can harass people much easier.
@@imPansy You can only get karma bombed if you flag up. But I agree, you can still grief someone without PvP. It then becomes a contest of who is the most stubborn party. I loved playing EVE Online, there wasn't much scope in that game to avoid PvP and there really wasn't any kind of rules against harassment whilst I played it. Harassment, Blackmail, Extortion, Embezzlement... these were good tools and the more insane it was the more it made mainstream news. But due to it's nature it had a very small niche market. It's combat was also slow paced so not as enjoyable for me. PA had to reign in open world PvP to attract/keep a wider variety of players. We can love that playstyle but if that is going to cost PA a significant amount of money, it is a battle the players are always going to lose. I think they can and should and eventually will listen to the players when it comes to consensual PvP systems.
@@TheCosmicAstro- basically back then if someone would keep coming to your spot, you'd dec their guild so you could freely kill them. vice-versa as well though
Honestly what they need to do is make a whole two different groups of servers once purely for PVP content and I'm talking about open world PVP that has benefits for those players and ones that are specifically for non-tv players that have benefits for them maybe even having a black Spirit have a different appearance depending on what server you go on I think this will greatly help the player base that's divided right now have a spot in one server or the next and really increase how many people come for PVP and how many people come for PVE and life skill content. Because from what I can see it's not just players looking for PVP anymore it's people looking for two different styles of gameplay and that's okay they need to play to their strengths and actually make servers that are dedicated to these two groups. I'm talking about at least having 5 to 6 servers for each side and then having special events for the PVP servers and the PVE servers. That would give people the initiative to come back and it would work out so much better. Imagine having peer zones for each server type so it was different vendors different characters and content in each one based off of what the servers was and the events will be based off of what is popular at the time.
BDO has lost more than 50% of its playerbase since the beginning of the year. If PA does nothing to address this, the game might very likely go down like did for example Aion. I love this game and want to keep playing it for many years more, but seems PA fails to realize how seriously bad the current situation with the game is.
I took a look while watching this video. I have 79,912 Crons sitting in my bank from just the free ones they have given out over the years. I don't upgrade gear, because it's a dumb system. Maybe they'll make it so I can sell these. Probably not. I'm just going to explore and do occasional life skills and occasional, making of health bars go to zero.
PA took the wrong lessons from CCP, as CCP got rid of PVP in Highsec in a comparable way. But in EVE is lowsec an nullsec where PVP is the way to shine. PA's handling is delusional - nobody will accept the painful enhancement system just to fight mobs, to poof the gains for some rolls on the gear. Rivalty was the main reason for us, catching up and hold the spot. In the actual state playing BDO is just pointless, and they had everything attheir fingertips to get all the issues solved. But finishing and expanding the outlaw system from valencia to satisfy the pvp headed part of the playerbase is just too much to ask. No Tuvalatimmys at Ulukita at all... As you said - greedyness is the reason and killing this formerly nice and challenging game...
Its like what is the premise here that non concentual pvp is what kept the game alive? So the game can only exist as a platform for people mad about life to deflect and take there frustration out on others? Imo non concentual pvp is not pvp because pvp is not war but the sport of war and there is no sport between people where 1 side out class the other. People get to into it and they take it to serious and they forget this is a sport that means nothing if your dont overcome an honest challenge. I hate this mentality that we need to have games allow people to be psycopths because that is the majority audience and without it the game will die. Like if a game needs non concentual pvp to exist then maybe it just shouldn't and the people that would have played it would be better off in a game that respects them more.
BDO has done what RuneScape did with the removal of PvP and the wilderness, it destroyed the game and in BDOs case removed one of the last deep interesting things in it that people loved, the combat(still one of the best systems IMO, fast paced with multiple things to consider )
Lmao glad someone feels the same as me on Dosa awakening 😂 PA adding more cron stone grind treadmill content as well, and they even made sure you have to enhance and can’t just buy things from the market anymore. Big issue for me since I hate enhancing, because it’s a system that still doesn’t respect your time. It’s not fun to stand in Velia clicking numbers for hours at a time.
U should c the cash shop in Black desert mobile, now that is next level predatory and no shame (part from this BDM is the best pocket mmo there is atm)
Its much more complicated than that, I won't say its just greed. I love pvp and fk J but nobody can bring back bdo unless PA just gives up KR server as a whole.
The game doesn't just suck for end game PVPers, the game sux for life skillers as well. They stop having any bottle necks (that we life skillers would deal with by gathering ourselves) and just gave everyone easy and cheap access. Life skill prices are in the trash. Then they said well now you can go to GURU 100, yeah but with out any benefit. Trading reworked sucked so bad they took it out. Then they said oh you can use Crons for manos now for PEN Manos Accessories, for what? No one needs Pen Manos, you get no benefit from it, since mastery is capped at 2k.
I don't mind the PVP being pushed away because I don't appreciate it when I am grinding. By the way you're wrong. I was always being grieved when I was collecting ores and delotia in the Centaurs, Gahaz, Caudry, Desert Nagas, Desert Fogans or Bashim zones (especially the Centaurs). And it wasn't occasional. If the guy had a problem with me kneeling down to collect herbs wham bang thank you man. Sorry I didn't need that nor appreciated it because there is plenty of map to play in and there are plenty of enemies and stuff to collect. And while that applies to me it also applies to him as well. Better yet. I am fishing and someone decides they wanted to kill me destroying the gold fish in my larger which are available. I only play on the season servers now because there is no PVP and I don't care if I ever get beyond Valencia to get other stuff. I've stopped playing on the normal servers. I have a suggestion to the PVP problem. Do what is done on Season. Only set aside a couple of normal servers which are PVP restricted, get rid of the Marni thing and let the rest be as per normal. Then some of us that like to do stuff in peace can actually do stuff in peace on those few normal servers that are PVP restricted. Solves a whole lot of problems I'd say. As for greed I'm confused since I don't find any serious changes that way. I still play free without pearls for anything and that means when I chose to, which I do at the end of a region in the main quest line, I treat myself for some good work. Its not really a p2w game as you might argue because I am not required to use pearls anywhere at anytime. Now if you want to get more of an advantage over me by using pearls that is different. That is a choice. It's why I refer to this game as p2a (Play to Advantage) because buying pearl items does give you an advantage over me. But I enjoy the slow burn so that doesn't phase me and shouldn't phase you. Also I've noticed that I can store lot more in my warehouse and on my larder since they been simplifying many items that one uses for alchemy and cooking like the fruits and essences. Which works. I will admit that the season checklist for items has come down and there you might actually have me on the greed factor. Once upon a time the season pass had a lot more good stuff that you collected from it. In fact the season pass you purchase from the pearl shop looks like what we used to get from the previous season passes. So on that the game has gotten greedier. So you have me there.
on the note of people not griefing often in your experience, i have an ENTIRELY different experience. I have been playing BDO since 2016, of course taking breaks throughout the years, but when i am actively grinding thoughout the years i have not been able to go a single week maybe 2 without being griefed or force pvp'd. Even STILL, i am being force PvP'd while just sitting at node managers. Happened to me the other day just sitting at the dark seekers node manager by a dude in a ghillie suit. So i wouldn't use your own anecdotal experience to say "its not that bad and its rare". and yeah this is my own anecdotal experience but thats kinda the point. Everyone experiences different things and just cause you havent had much of an issue with it, doesnt mean thats what other people experience. That being said, I entirely agree that PA is being way too greedy. Most notably with the obsession with crons and forcing every player into the cron rabbit hole which is such an insane waste of silver and just not fun or interactive.. I know a lot of people are upset that guild based pvp has been shafted, but the reality is the majority of players for the entirety of BDOs life time, dont interact with pvp. I am NOT saying they should just ignore PvP and keep it bad for the people who enjoy it, theyve taken a step in the right direction by letting people choose for node wars in the coming update, and i think they should continue to fix things like node wars, siege, etc. But the reason i bring it up is because a handful of content creators are so heavily focused on it and like it makes or breaks the game, when its a minority of the playerbase. Which is fine, just cause youre in the minority doesnt mean you should be shafted. But it makes sense why PA isn't really focusing on it. The whole "sovereign weapons were too easy" is PEAK delusion. The fact they think that just shows how ridiculously out of touch they are. Logically they should ENTIRELY disregard everyone who gets a sovereign weapon before the 20+ week grind for the flame pity because these people clearly are the 1% and should NEVER BE DESIGNED AROUND when it comes to difficulty of progression.. obviously the people with tens or hundreds of billions upon billions of silver saved up could just slam sov weapons... mega delusional devs At the end of the day, its good to continue saying what PA is doing wrong and that they need to fix it. Fix instanced PVP, Fix the cron problem. Give more actual content. I heard they had an idea for an infinite scaling like "climb the castle" thing they were going to add as a floating castle over valencia which sounded really cool but idk if that was real or just a rumor.
BDO was always such a hardcore PvP game. Now PvP happens but only on arsha. Those crybabies should have played another game. BDO wasn't for them anyway. The game we have now isn't even BDO anymore. Marketed as a hardcore open world MMORPG where PvP was mandatory. Now it's a side note that gets ignored permanently. They rather make new classes to sell more invo, weight, and costumes then actually balance all the classes they already have in game. That is all the proof anyone needs. They make the game intentionally inconvenient to tempt you to swipe. That is how every MMORPG made in Korea ends up.
How dare you accuse casters of having that kind of OP movement! As a Witch main I can tell you, we had movement for 1 week (ONLY 1!!!) and then they removed it for the reason "it felt awkward". meanwhile the people playing felt.. oh..we are finally not F tier, we are maybe C tier. 😂 Guild League: You mention this was content... while I agree and think it is great, my guild has failed the last 6 matchmaking ques in a row... so I believe that is no longer worth attempting to do. 😂 Too much sitting around and wasting buffs for no rewards due to dead content. 🎉 (They really need to give the losing loot bag for if matches fail the que.)
they just gotta give us crons/heavily reduce cron cost/requirements and that fixes like 80% of the current problems the game has.(generous %) Though id say just entirely get rid of the ability for gear to downgrade at all but im sure there is some nerd who would defend that out there. so at LEAST give us crons.
i agree with that, the cost of crons is absurd. for tet blackstar being over 2k crons. the accessorys being over 2k crons. Thats atleast $100. for 1 ATTEMPT
im not defending to get rid of the down grade but id say its not to bad it gives players something to do n work towards but id say increase the chance of success a bit
I never understood why they killed open world PVP if they already had Marni realm to address the toxicity, they just needed to improve the coverage of Marni realm spots. Guild protection was fine but I think all they needed to do was just categorize PVP, PVE or life skill guilds so that everyone choose what type of BDO world they want to play in by joining the right guild category, this way everyone can exist in open world but the rules are different according to guild category. Over applying those anti-pvp mechanisms killed the game. The PVP events are great and all but that is just reserved for pure competition and not open world. Let PVP guilds enjoy open world. They can then remove Arsha server. Player base retention is key, new players will come and go but PA would want to maintain the current participation rate high. PA needs to learn from this. There are many ways to address harassment without causing just a collateral effect.. agree with the cron stones cost, I was at end game and it's ridiculous! even tried grinding for hours to buy precision hammers at one point and still failed PEN debos. That's when I just quit the game, had enough!
What BDO used to be is fun, chaotic, with open world PVP and different activities that guilds and friends can do together. It really hurts me to see a game I have loved and played since 2016 turned out this way. I finally gave up and quitted for good for the first time 3 months ago. I still hold out hope that PA will wake up from their greediness and see BDO becomes better. But for now I'm free from running around for hours and hours without any apparent goal.
Games cooked, they already adressed toxicity in open world by adding more hours to Marnis, but still had to practically say F you to the players by making the ridiculous changes that turned BDO into another shit copypaste.
MMORPG without ability to show "who's the king of the place" is sucks, even in some cartoon movie, there's always some story that main character is top player that unbeatable, so ppl will gank him everywhere in the game, that's the spice of MMORPG, it isnt griefing, and by take that PvP content they just killed the essence of MMORPG. Right now BDO just feels like you play offline game with some online lobby, there's no connection between player, in SEA we rarely see any guild still hype with siege, they just join guild only for buff and GBR lol.
Add more PvE servers like Arsha to the game. Yes Arsha is a full PvE server. You need other players to get PK'd and I have never seen another player in Arsha.
they improved tnl combat a lot since KR release and i hope they continue. But if they take things to the level of BDO, the lag would be unbearable haha.
Really never knew how people can grind for endless hours and waste their life away, why dont people invest that time into a business make money and then when a ACTUAL good game comes out, play
This is no different than having a hobby bro. It’s no different than when you sit around with your family or yourself and watch an entire 8 season series. Just let people enjoy their fun
Its dead bro come on admit it the devs are not on their right minds. Its too obvious they want more $$$$ aggressively without giving anything to the players that makes them enjoy the game. They are like dictators just enjoy what we decide is enjoyable in our game fuck your suggestions.
Nonsense reasoning, based on what they should have taken individual measures, it's a video game, if I can PK on a game and I get banned, this basically goes against the nature of the game itself, PA must prevent these things in game and not punish the players, this is the stupidest reasoning I've ever heard in life. A bit like if campers on call of duty led to a ban, crazy stuff haha
I think its all throne and liberty fault.... that game just gutted the player base. I personally been a very casual player from day 1, but I will say when ranked AoS was around I was playing a good 5-6 hours daily, which was the most I ever played ever
@@imPansy cant agree more. Its the bread and butter, and I think ultimately will be its saving grace. I honestly get bored with a lot of games now after experiencing the combat in bdo. It really takes me back to the days of fighters and remembering and doing different combos. And besides my life has enough games the last thing I need is another mmorpg
Bro I played bdo since 2017 got 10k hours in it they kept getting more and more greedy time to move on what ever changes they do ain’t coming back it’s like going back to a toxic ex move on TaL is out have fun the time spend on bdo even money is spent but why keep spending when they don’t care about you and never had
Bdo its dead from a day of value pack was added. Before merge servers real players left a game because of p2w. We wait for Archeage 2 because now as we can notice with throne and libert that is fully p2w from first day uou can buy max gear for real money. So if they were comlain about p2w archeage and now play trash throne mobile game its obviuos comunity swap to legal p2w in mmo. So bdo its no problem now with p2w just content.
I disagree on a lot of points, do you wanna hear which one? But most importantly, forced PVP is always bad thing, and it was BDO number 1 problem. Their main fault was they acted too slow and lost so much playerbase because of it.
Yay more grinding for cron stones while every other material in mp drops to 0. Please give us other progression than this low chance enhancement cron devouring bs. Its basically, pick the most silver/h spot go in circles for days, but crons, click, fail, rinse and repeat. Give us alternative ways to enhance. Maybe a system where whe can craft special enhancement stones that prvent the downgrade and have increased enhancement chance. Or a completely save methode. But make it so that we can do all sorts of activities to get those materials. Like a bit of lifeskilling, grinding different spots, doing daylie quests, include stuff from world bosses. When it came out i loved to make my save PEN assesorie, just because the way it was created. It gave you a goal, and a direction what to do other than just grinding. Today im only trying to get 6,5B as fast as possible just to do another OCT Sov click and fail with 3,4% chance. seeing the chance alone makes it depressing.
I see a lot of people complaining about grinding. Grinding isn't the issue. The game, and most MMOs, have grinding baked into it. The problem isn't the grinding, it's what you're grinding for. Right now, I'm grinding for gear to grind the same stuff I've been grinding but better, and that blows.
NOT like bdo's grinding, it takes THOUSANDS and there is no exceptions btw, THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF HOURS to get end game
still an inssue XD
When you said “F off” I felt that with my heart and soul like seriously PA does not respect our time
The family wide-karma and removing one side guild dec was a terrible idea. One of the biggest reason for many players to get better gears was because of competition (PVP). They could've easily disabled PVP for some server for players to grind who doesn't want to deal with PKER and I'm not talking about the current seasonal server but the regular server. We have arsha, so it would make sense to have a server for PVP to be disabled with the exception of dueling.
There are plenty of ways to tackle griefers, and these things mainly happen to streamers. Instead, they gutted PVP because they think more new players is gonna join. The entire reason people want to play BDO is the current player base that made the game what it is. Take that away and you'll have a shitty game.
Lastly, PA really undervalues the current player base and tries too hard to cater to newer players.
@@UNothing I think we should already speak about current players as past players. Most are long gone or barely logging/fishing.
They're catering to China. All these changes have been made for the China release, as their laws on pvp are much different. They thought they'd get big bags from China and fucked EU/NA in the ass in order to do so. But even if China is like 4 times bigger than EU/NA in population, you think more chinese players earning 400$/month will make you more money than eu/na players earning 1500-2000$/month? Everyone knew EU/NA was their biggest cash earner for a reason, we have the highest salaries and the biggest amounts of disposable cash. 100$ a month for a NA player is pocket fun money, 100$ for a chinese player is food for an entire month. It's the same reason eastern europe doesn't buy game and pirates everything, because salaries there are also like 400$/month, and asking an eastern european player to pay 60$ for a single game is like asking a NA player to pay 180$, if you do price:salary ratio. More players doesn't mean shit if they won't even spend 10$ a month. It's better to have 10 players that spend 50$ each, than 200 that spend 2$ each
players have made forum posts on bdo's community forums asking for a pve only server and the amount of pvp players that have come to that discussion to cry about it is unreal. Also those same players were complaining about lack of other players to kill on arsha.
Facts, majority of what he just posted I just said on another post. With out pvp this game has lost its identity..it's sad to be honest to have to sit back and look at my favorite game be destroyed by the creators. Makes no sense.
@premieress2623 which form is it I'd like to read it
7:44 - 8:07 = You are tha Man Pansy! No one could have said this any better. Thank you so much.
Preach! I left last year when I was at 300+ hours for a 2 or 3 stat gain, staring down that grind time + the open world pvp being destroyed killed it for me.
I appreciate you, Pansy.
Likewise brother. Keep up the great work with your UA-cam!
I quit about a year ago, and it was largely because I've played the game a boatload, and any gear upgrades I could get felt insignificant. Had all the meaningful AP brackets and was over dp cap. Basically, I was at the point where I would have to grind hundreds of hours for a PEN debo that really does nothing in the grand scheme of things.
BDO fulfilled a niché. An open world PVP game with amazing action combat, that got its audience of loving players, who despite the game's many faults loved it nonetheless. But, the devs at BDO weren't satisfied, and either because they didn't receive as many complaints from their fanbase or because they wanted to grab new players, continued to slowly make update after update that appealed to a different fanbase, which slowly changed the game- away from their initial game, away from their strengths and away from their core fanbase.
majority of people do not and did not interact with pvp. that is not the niche. that is a niche community within the niche that enjoys BDO.
If that's the case then why has the game gone to shit since everything pvp has been messed with???? The game been lacked content.. but with out the pvp there's no real beef, no reason to get stronger.. it changed the game in a negative way because the true core where hard core pvp players. The decs, the node wars, the red players. That was our group content because there isn't any. Game is dying because of alot of things BUT in my opinion disregarding pvp was the major reason the game isn't the same..
@prestigioushustle346 thats the problem. You people are looking at a small dip over the course of a couple months.
Where in reality looking at the graph over the course of the last 9 years, the game has the same average playercount that its always had.
If pvp really was this almighty beloved crazy important thing that everyone cared about, you'd see a MUCH bigger drop. But that just isn't happening.
BDO is about as bad as its always been when it comes to progression, the new pity system may as well not exist and crons are still required for any real progress.
Game is far from perfect but let's not pretend a lie about what the majority of people care about.
Should they fix instanced pvp? For sure. Pvp is a small chunk of the playerbase but that doesn't mean they should get shafted
@@TheCosmicAstro- The server population after they killed PvP says otherwise. Most people DID PvP. You couldn't grind anywhere decent without fighting for your spot. You sound like a new player to say some false ish like that. Anyone who bought or signed up to play BDO was consenting to PvP. The entire game was marketed as a hardcore open world MMORPG where PvP can and will start at anytime. As soon as they took it away their player base has continually dropped. Numbers don't lie.
@harveyhouk775 ive been playing the game since 2016... nice projection and ad hominem though.
Anecdotal "evidence", ad hominem, projection. Youre really struggling there, bud. I'll give you one more shot to actually formulate a proper reply. If you use logical fallacies again, imma just ignore you
Youre correct about 1 thing. Numbers don't lie. And the numbers show the game has the same average playerbase its had over the last 9 years. So good job proving yourself wrong.
The best objective and clear explanation I have ever heard. Thanks Pansy
I'm glad you act as a voice within the community. I personally gave up on this game when they made the open world PvP changes. Its such a pain, a combat system that is UNRIVALED, and a beautiful story, just to go to waste. Node Wars and Siege bringing hundreds of people at times. The beauty of strategy, having a good shotcaller, and bringing all these people together. They had a solid template to start with when they had finally gotten the game from Kakao, yet they just targeted the game to be even more cash grab, when so many players thought that aspect of the game would've changed under the publishing of PA, but it just got worse. They put more effort into the pearl shop items rather then listen to the player base. One of the crazy things that they had in the game 2019/2020 was that you could make money from literally ANYTHING. Node Empire, Lifeskilling, Crafting and enhancing gear, grinding, and even QUESTING. Remember doing scrolls for more silver per hour than any of the Val or Kama spots that were out at the time? The versatility was insane. Compared to the grind spots now, these things became very obsolete even after many failed attempts of reviving these features of the game. Lifeskilling has gotten huge improvements but its mediocre at best. Love this game to death, but I'm not willing to throw away my life just to keep up. Sorry to rant. I know you always welcome feedback and thoughts in your comments section, I stopped playing years ago, yet still watch your content from time to time.
At the beginning of summer I took breaks from BDO and probably logged in three times. BDO has turn into pointless solo gear grinding and nothing else. Life skill is boring and pointless, because nothing has improved in a while and guild stuff is also very pointless and there is zero reason to be in guild only to witness and be part of lame dramas. I'm not a role-player or big story enjoyer, but I also see how BDO doesn't have anything for those players either. Gender lock, no story, no world-building and it's crazy for a sandbox mmo.
Yup. I got a bit into ff14, and so far I absolutely loathe the story (im almost done with HW) and it's literally a chore for me, and I cant skip it, raids and cool transmog and everything is locked behind the MSQ. But at the end of the day I can just go mine and craft and immerse myself a bit, go to the random players that sit in the city and chat with them. When was the last time someone whispered you like "your outfit looks cool!" or "Hey, whats up, I like your name" in BDO? NEVER. When you base your entire game on one single aspect (mindlessly grinding) then at least put all your resources into that and make it more than an amazing experience. Develop it some more, do some mini events like on gw2, where people can gather in a place to kill mobs together and after killing a certain amount they earn good rewards. But nope, they just reskin old areas and mobs (if even that) and increase the ap requirements and that's it. There's no story to this game, there's no roleplay, no socializing, no immersion with the world. Just log in, mindlessly grind, get +1ap after 2 months, rinse and repeat.
All succesful mmos out there give you choices. You don't like raiding that much in wow? Fine, go do some actually rewarding pvp, or rp, or farm transmog or achievements. You don't like doing the story in GW2? Sure, complete all the areas, or again some rewarding pvp, or achievements. You don't like grinding in BDO? Oh well, you can... do like 500 quests on a story so trash even a middleschooler could've written better, or... go whisper random afk players in the big cities and get no replies, or .... get a ship and right click on the map, press T then alt tab and come back 20 minutes later. You can't remove some of those choices from BDO (pvp scene) and give us nothing in return. Variety is the key, eating cake everyday would make you sick of it no matter how much you love cake. What's there to do on BDO besides grinding now?
Short video, good takes, very relevant to what playerbase actually feels. I'm still shocked.
Most of the games i abandoned where because of the insufferable big amount of grind and impossible to reach to end game items. Got a life outside the screen, don't want to grind years for some pixelated polygons with sparkles
This is what killed it for me. The PVP changes only bothered the a-hole players. I didn't want to grind persistently for years just to keep up with being able to log in and and play rbf for no reward.
People can play on private serwer if you want only pvp simple.
Then you are playing the wrong game and genre.
Tired of crybabies that doesn't have a clue in what game/genre they are, and cry about it, and want everything to change for them, instead of actually play the game that suits their need.
I stopped playing BDO 6 years ago. When it became pay to win.
@@OdekU2312HM your mother can play on a private server simple.
Their focus on gear gear gear and no content just seems so out of touch. Debos are definitely a problem but not more of a problem than having no fun content or pvp where that gear they keep adding even matters
@@Oomlie Why add more actual content when you can milk your playerbase with another chase item and focus driving around in your new Bugatti while collecting money from copium addicts.. J said its fine so now everyone back in Dehkia spots to grind your next debo tap or J is gonna be malding.
dam, i am so agree with you, good i stoped to play 1 year ago this game just not worth the time we gave to
its so not worth like there no any real content to try and get
all the content you had become capped, there no point anymore to grind
Just waste of time :))
Love seeing this! Someone who actually cares about the game, expressing topics that need to be shared. A lot of these MMO's have HUGE potential to be something that people can enjoy for years to come, but just get ruined by corp greed. Really unfortunate to see. I started bdo for the first time a few months ago and left because of the amount of mind numbing grind you have to do to progress in the game. Makes the game boring af! Keep making these great videos!
played since the korean beta and i can't stand it anymore. you made valid points and i agree with what you said. Also the jank is getting old. falling animation, boss spawning outside of fightable areas, ect. nothing fun about the game other than the combat and that get smack with jank too. fix the overall game and i might get off T&L
Agree with your points, great video. I'm about done with BDO after 6 years. The gear progression and build diversity got nuked earlier this year. I have full PEN Tungrad gear, each piece was about $50 Bill. Now all that gear is essentially new crystal fuel for Deboreka accessories. PEN debo's are $250 Bill, so now I need to grind 5x more for each accessory upgrade. Like most people I can't run in circles for 8 hours a day for the next 2 years to upgrade my gear.
i love this, finally someone who actually understands, one thing tho. Dont believe for even one second we got the pity system out of the goodness of their heart if nexon hadn't been found fucking up with ppls RNG they would have never added this
Open world pvp, GVG, Street war, turns grind spots into bloody battlefield, where can you get content like this? well only in BDO, that's what makes BDO different from other MMOs, and they removed those contents.
if the reason they removed one side dec was to reduce bullying between players, the situation is very different on my server, I play on the SEA server, when one side dec was still there, players still had manners, were afraid to do reckless things in the grind spot so as not to endanger themselves, friends, and guild mates, they were really afraid of having problems with other guilds.
and when one side dec was removed, the situation really changed, people who were previously very careful became more reckless, guilds who felt they had little power, even though they were not big guilds became wilder, griefing in people's spots with the mindset "oh no one will be able to dec our guild anyway". toxicity really increased.
nahh the problem is NOT recent changes to karma, and guild flag mechanic, and bla bla... those are good things indeed 'cause forcing a guild to kick a specific member and then force him/her to quit zerging him/her was definitely a thing if not a goal since the game hasn't true engaging content at all and never had: bdo was always grind for the sake of grind and enhance, STOP.
They simply had to split the servers between pvp servers, with old/ more punishing pvp mechanics, and pve servers with new rules where you can grind in peace if you're not in the mood of pvp.
This way you have 2 sub comunities spending money on your shop and actively playing the game instead of 1 simply quitting the game... and when one of these 2 subs start to bleed players for whatever reason you simply rearrange the servers allocation and make every1 happy. For sure adding level of enhancements when the system was already frustrating af is NOT a solution... but pvp mechanics were indeed a good choice, just poor implementation.
The super long grind for items wouldn't be bad (it was like that way back when PEN was almost unobtainable), but there has to be more than one viable way to make silver. Lifeskills are barely hanging on by a thread. The recently buffed Lakiaro is what like 250m/hr? At absolute max? Like... what? That's like 10 minutes of grinding at Dekhia Crescents. Where the hell did trading go? Why... why couldn't they have just buffed the numbers on the rework to make it viable?
I don't get it.
Yeah man life skills had me depressed. I wouldn’t mind a long grind if it was doing fun and varying content!
As far as I understand it, lifeskilling doesn't make their main money from the skilling. That's just to build wealth. Then you invest and flip the market. Buy up everything and control the market. It takes months to see it through. Hunting and snipe can at the very least net 1.3-2b/h.
They put the pity system in the game because they want to release in China and Chinese law requires a pity for any RNG system in games. That is all, no other reason besides that.
This shits turning into blade & soul 😂glad I quit this 2 years ago. glad to see you're doing well Pansy 😊
Griefing its still a prob with grind spots that dont have marni, back when orcs was the best spot and there was no marni omg IT WAS FKN HELL.
at first I thought t&l's swipe system wouldn't be detrimental to the player base but seeing what guilds like Epherium are doing is single handedly going to kill the population of players until its just whale v whale guilds. Why am I mentioning this? because even though technically BDO is "p2w" it's not on the level of destroying the game, the devs are destroying the game with content updates/reversions, not cash shop items. BDO is still salvageable but there are doing everything in they're power to move further away from it.
Throne's system is flawed. If not Epherium it'll be another guild or alliance that will steam roll. We saw it in KR many times and AGS is aware of this issue.
But a little secret about Epherium, I can share this since I'm in the guild. they have whales but majority of its players don't swipe excessively. They make thousands of lucent by farming and strategically selling items on the auction house. It takes a lot of resources to make an item into Litho and i see on the auction house people selling lithos for 1-2k. It's such a waste. You have to target the really expensive ones. Many of the players in Epherium are new to the game as well. We thrive because we all understand the intent, we'll die following the shot call and prioritize PVP above all. Also the KR vets and class leads teach and guide us. If you haven't seen Maxroll.gg's Throne and Liberty guides, quite a few were written by Epherium members.
Here're a few tips for some easy Lucent i did myself, it might still work for you.
1. I spent 1500 contract tokens to buy a choose your weapon box. It lets you pick a purple weapon. I litho'd the bow and sold it for 6.6k. The price is down now to 4.2k now but still good profit.
2. In the Shadow Crypt dungeons, I only farm the Enforcers. They drop my bis cape but also drop RED RUBRIX. these rubrix are used to make weapon lithos and the purple ones sell for 200-250 lucent each. It was a steady supply of lucent for me, I've sold over 3k worth of these in the past few days.
Hope this helps!
@@imPansy Appreciate that Pansy, I made 4K lucent last night after this. 🤑
The amount of grind is the problem and the lack of content overall. In most mmo's you would have to grind, but usually to reach level 80 or 50 or whatever level cap there is. Lets say in other games you grind 1 month to aquire your max level and customize your gear to a specific build path before you engage in raids, pvp and other types of content. In BDO you grind 2 years for the same gear everyone has, no diversity , no creativity regarding builds, only to quit the game because you've reached max gear and there is no other content to do after that. We play games to kill time and have some fun, in bdo we just kill time for no reason. I'm happy to say that I quit playing like 3 months ago and I feel no itch to log back in.
I agree with other comments that BDO can easily be saved, but PA is so incompetent I highly doubt it will happen. It's like having a car that just needs new sparkplugs and an oil change, but the stupid owner just ignored it until the lack of oil destroys the engine
they really thought they were slick pivoting the game to cater to the Lost Ark refugees, ended up destroying the game long term because none of those players actually stayed and lots of older players quit because of the changes.
Give this a fucking Like. Damn man you are alway so positive about bdo but here you are spitting true facts! Devs were playing chess and each decision was killing the game further, killing its player base.
From mature player to mature player, we think exactly the same thing.
Throne and Liberty welcomes all BDO refugees. ❤
i think its time for them to make a sequel for BDO version because they cant fix the game anymore, no matter how hard they push a dungeon the game isnt design for it even classes is not designed for a group play in dungeons, they add new grinding spot same result only few are viable, they have the combat and class design that no other MMO, i surely hope they think making a new MMO
And how many years is gonna take for a sequel dear lord
Crimson Desert was supposed to be mmo but they changed it to single player so honestly I'd be surprised if they made a sequel.
A healthy game is built around the players, for the players, and for entertainment, bdo is now built around the cronstone.
Have you noticed they havent given out a nice number of cronstones lately as rewards or anything. They now are wanting u to buy out fits or spend MANY MANY hours to grind for silver just for a 5% chance LOL
@@faisalchowdhury1945 I've been telling them for years that they are incompetent, they had the best MMO at their fingertips and they managed to destroy it
@Pansy, I agree with you. But something everyone needs to remember is most of us have spent the money we are going to spend on this game. We already have weight, storage, pets, costumes, tent, etc. Over time we have dropped our investment and are "playing the game". Unfortunately, PA needs a continual cash flow, and they are not getting it from us. As with you, I've seen many players I've met come into the game, drop some pearl money, eventually see the system, and left before dumping more money. We just chose to stay and play the game for what it was while not folding to the shop. They certainly weren't getting it from the no life PVP'ers who lived in the BA or RBF, and most of the NW no lifers because they focused only on capped NW. Then came AOS. These are literal EBT players with subsidized housing in game and are only there to take. It is what it is. Those are the leeches PA is trying to get rid of and it's too late.
Me, an EU player: You guys preorder costumes?!
6 months ago pvp guilds were thrinving in BDO and players were laughing at Throne n Liberty. How things changed.. Throne now thrives and players laugh at BDO pvp
Great content. Keep it up. Man... if they had added pity sooner or near the start of the game so that I could've benefited from it before losing all my motivation to play/grind, I probably would've played so much more and I already played too much. However, the new gear is still too much of a grind (items+crons) for a casual like me who made the majority of their money in lifeskilling and only dabbled in grinding to deal with compared to the past. At this point, my plan is to keep an eye on the BDO news and log in when they give free taps and free items away (don't ask why; it's a disease) and then log back off since we're never making it back to the fun that BDO used to be. Too bad there also aren't even any announced MMOs with potential. Feels MMOs are dead man.
Hey @Pansy after watching the video, I've got a genuine curious question to ask. What took you so long? Was it because of the time investment that you're afraid of letting go? Or it's also because of multitude of things like audience interest/addiction/etc.
I felt like someone as intelligent & sincere as you should've seen through all the nasty crap PA has pulled on the players but a lot of my friends that''s quit the game were of similar reasons.
Nice video by the way as always, love it.
I feel like this game still has all the fundamentals. It just needs a major overhaul of the questing, add some dungeons, and fix pvp. Sure, not easy things to fix, but the base designs is already there. I'll just park my Valk here and maybe oneday something happens!
I actually liked Dosa Awakening, because it felt like Avatar the last airbender, with all the elements. I dislike that wizard doesn't control all the elements.
Yeah it feels like a solid class. I just wish they leaned into the ghost blader aesthetic that the succession gives off you know?
I also think that a lot of us high end players are burned out from doing the same thing for years. Like i have new reqson to grind, i can geind to get sov weapons, but i don't want to, i dont feel happy doing it. I simply cant grind more than 1 hour a day. Even thst gets tideous.
I just wish for 1 thing. Permanent 1 fuel tagging system.
Im nkt interested in spending 3 billion silver to tag a character.
I totally agree..Dosa awakening IS just a melee version of wizard... I'm only excited to play his awakening cuz i don't have a wizard
After playing TnL, i have to say...at least BDO can be saved.
TnL and this whole real money Auction House is something that can't be fixed.
It's a terrible idea and much more greedy than PA ever was.
After the recent Dev Talk of BDO, i do have more positive thoughts about BDO.
TnL ended up being better than expected, but it's not a game i see myself playing for long.
But it's good to kill some time until BDO improves.
And at 9:16, i think u misunderstood. They showed a graph, where they showed that they made the Sovereign too HARD, not too easy.
Yeah comparing TnL's monetization while hyping BDO ain't it chief. How is BDO any better than Throne? You buy costumes, sell for silver and buy what ever gear you want?
How's TnL any different from other games? It's designed to stop bots from free farming currency while you can sell items and earn it.
World of Warcraft Sells WoW Tokens which are converted into gold. Gold is used to buy gear and even boosts.
Guild wars 2 sells currency directly as well by allowing you to convert cash shop currency to gold and buy gear and boosts.
Runescape sells bonds which is sold for gold and buy gear and boosts.
You know what all of those other games have? Bot's saturating the market making it not worth normal players to go farm and sell most items. Try doing lvl 99 skilling in runescape, you make pennies. Each game has its systems and ways to combat it.
Are you sure btw? I watched the vid ealier today and in the Equipment section they talked about the Sov Weps, they said that they wanted to make it easier than anticipated which they did but in a sense made it too easy.
TnL market system is better than bdo lol
@@imPansy They talked about the Materials for the enhancement, not the enhancement itself. They originally planned the Sovereign weapon materials to take longer to obtain, they never meant the enhancement itself. It was shown that majority has the Weapons on PEN or lower, which means they never even meant the really high grades like DEC.
They wanted to make the enhancement easier, but more gradually, but since the Materials flooded the market right after release, it was more about Crons than Materials and they said that was a mistake.
Probably hinting towards, that they realized that especially in higher grades Weapons are too focused on Crons instead of Materials.
That's how i understood it, since the graphs showed clearly, that the majority of Sovereign owners barely made it to HEX.
@@aryasingh3358 Uhm...no.
Watch out bro, bikektimus and Rapolas will come after you. don't touch their perfect game and devs!
i prefer Dosa Awakening. hes a taoist and it connects to Korean Shamanism. its fantastic. all the do wielders are korean wizards so the doubling down felt like it was coming full circle. great video tho :D
I hope he's fun to play, will definitely give it a shot since i have Dosa tagged :)
@@imPansy definitely give him a shot. Though similar to awaken witch and wizard on the surface, his play style has a different feel to it :3
At this point i don’t think there is anything they can do, to make streamers and haters happy. Literally you will always find something to cry about no matter what. Go play wow and see how it feels to have a company that literally does not care about players, costumer support is ai generated 😅
Roll back Guild Dec change, implement my idea of guilds opting in
Roll back Node war change
Change vendor cron price to 1.5m ea
I'd be back instantly. Wow rocks, I don't need them to care about players I need them to develop a good game. War Within exceeded expectations, the raids were dope
Exactly 100%.
@@imPansy They won't roll back anything, and this was terrible. Forcing players to PVP or into Guild Wars was terrible idea.
Who the f**** stops you to play PVP and to do Guild Wars if this is what people wants?
You would PVP freely and you would accept the Decs.
But the reality hit the surface that people didn't want to do this type of stuffs, and that's why you are all crying, cause you can't force majority of the players to do PVP.
If that was the player base of PVP, why are you crying now?
You would still PVP freely, Open World PVP and your Decs would be accepted.
But no, the community didn't want that s****, and that's why the no-lifer like you are crying.
You lost me as a fan with this video bud.
Saying stuff how griefing was not a problem, when it was huge problem. Saying you can fight back on Grind spot or stuffs like this. Curious how a PVE focused player can fight back, when his PVP combos/rotation is completely different and he needs to spend half day just to PVP to get good at it.
And then he was going to get one shooted by someone with higher AP score, and he have ZERO CHANCE.
Also we have PVE/PVP setups, which makes Open World PVP not just stupid, but terribly stupid, as a PVE setup you have no chance.
Oh switch Server, and what happen if the spot is taken in that next server? Waste your time to wait, or go grind some other spot, but the other spot is taken, what ? Wait some more ....
Unless you are no-lifer, no one wants to deal with that frustration.
This is the main reason BDO lost so many players, as they were punished and PKed big time, when there was big population flow. The mistake PA did is to not remove Open World PVP way sooner, and have just few servers with it.
Again answer this, if people wanted to PVP, why you are crying about one side Decs, if you supposedly want to PVP, people would accept the Decs ? And you have 2 arsha servers, what the heck is stopping you to PVP in there?
Pearl abyss just ran out of funding. They pulled development off of dokiV and put it into crimson desert. They really are just pinching pennies until crimson desert releases and if that game flops then it’s over.
The thing that’s crazy to me is the things that are low hanging fruit. Just by changing =1s to =0s or adding a 0 there or taking a 0 out here the game would be so much more fun. Like seriously, why are imperials still at CP/2 threshold? Why does polishing alch stones take so long? Why does shai still exist? Can we fire the guy who redesigned elephants in war? So many easy fixes. If I had control over BDO’s development for 30 minutes I could make them so much money so fast. I really don’t get it dude.
if you think a single player game is going to make more money than a MMO youre actually clueless lol
I can relate to the last bit about so many QoL changes that would make this game so much better. As with every other game that's being developed it's clear that these people don't play their own game.
@@TheMantheon563 The only one who's clueless is you dude. Go research profits and study some economy. You realize MMOS take way more resources, as you constantly have to come up with updates, upkeep the server stability, manage the playerbase with guild masters, deal with RMT/Hackers and all that, right? BDO since launch has a 2 billion dollar profit. But how much of that was invested back into the game? To release new content? To pay the wages of people upkeeping the game?
Also, just to let you in on a small secret: most of this profit actually comes from the mobile version of BDO.
Meanwhile Palworld, a small indie game, albeit succesful, hasn't been out for more than a year if I'm not wrong. It already has 25M sales, and at 30$ price, that's 750M. Almost half the BDO profit in 1/8 of the time. And again, Palworld is an indie game.
If they make Crimson Desert right, they can easily look at around 10-30 million copies sold. With the basic price of 60$ for an AAA game, that's 600M to 1.8B in sales. Let's average it to 1B. That's half the money BDO made, sure, but they're making that in 1-2 years compared to 8. And there's also DLCs and such. Also, if they don't continue working on the game, they don't need to put more resources into it. Pearl Abyss has 1300 employees, let's say only 200 work on BDO. They have a minimum wage of 7$/h, so let's be generous and round it up to 1k/month. That's 200k/month for employees ALONE without accounting for bonuses and doing less than minimum wage. What about the price of the servers?
World of Warcraft, in 2017, had around 9B in sales (monthly subscriptions, expansions, in game purchases). A game that was out for 14 years already. GTA V has a similar amount, albeit it can also be an online game, it's a single player RPG first. And I promise you it took less money to make GTA V and to upkeep it, than it took WoW to make all those expansions, upkeep the servers, hire game masters, and so on. So yes, a single player game does make more money than a MMO.
@@spookyclaws5350 like i said, clueless lol
comparing Crimson Desert with Palworld? the literal 3rd most peak player count game on steam of all time? lol
"they can easily look at around 10-30 million copies sold" brother, you're soooooo off lol, my man, Breath of the Wilds, Smash Ultimate, Diablo 3 sold 30 million copies, Elden Ring sold 25, Crimson Desert is a niche relatively unknow game, it'll be lucky to sell 1-2 million, for comparison, Dragon's Dogma 2, a game form a similar genere as CD thats a sequel to a know game from a massively acclaimed developer, sold around 3-4 million copies
but even if it is as you think, it would STILL make less revenue than BDO, you said it yourself, yes, over "less" time, but that isnt 1-2 years now, is it? the game has been in developement since 2018 and it comes out next year, thats 7 years of developement, and thats assuming it would sell 10-30 million copies (it wont lol)
@@spookyclaws5350 You are cluesless if you think profit comes like that, and math works like that.
Just because a game cost 60$ or so, doesn't mean all the money goes to the company. Steam get % from that, they also have taxes, etc, etc.
Also they are paying tons of employee big salary, as salary in this industry is not small at all, and they gave millions of salary every single month.
People thinking gaming company making billions like that are really stupid. Only few company are making such money.
Quit BDO as soon as I reached Debo grind in EU. I can never understand how anyone in EU would be content with how difficult it is to get crons in our region. I can get 1-2 costumes per week if I'm lucky, for the rest it's all vendor crons. But I hear other regions have it way easier, especially NA/KR outfits sell A Lot more there!
There's a video by someone (either Anders or Bicep) about how PVP was changed to comply with Chinese gaming regulations. There are some requirements for games with PvP that companies need to comply with and it's easier to get a game in it you just avoid it all together. As a company, it makes sense to get into such a large market. Good for shareholders, but not good for the players.
good those chinese sheraholders can now become the players 😁
PA is just trying to do the grab like what lost ark did in the cn release. Lost ark cn made more money than all lost ark servers combined since their release in just 5 month.
alot of people got griefed and don't forget the crystal feed . can't speak for others but i got griefed so many times i can't even remember . Now a days they griff u in dekia spots by just stealing ur mobs and loot . i am very happy open world pvp is gone :) the best decision ever.
Gangplank Q your mouth pls
Same.
It is interesting, but even though I agree with many things you mentioned, I'm still enjoying BDO daily (as a lifeskiller at least) :) The reason I barely do any pve is because it really is a bit boring for me to grind in circles for thousands of hours - especially when I finally get enough silver to buy something and after I bought it, a few months later the value goes down 5x. Basically it would just feel like I wasted a lot of time, just threw it away by doing something that isn't fun. But I do like life skills a lot (as long as I'm aiming for exp) and also I like the co-op bosses a lot.
I have 18h in EU and started over in Japan ~a month ago. Before I thought I would never play the game if I had to start again from zero, but here I am, a noob in Japan :D
Anyway the game at least for me is still very much enjoyable, but there are for sure things that I can not understand why PA is not trying to fix, improve or add to the game. Good thing is that recently they showed that they are at least trying to listen and do something, but I hope they will continue do a lot more in the favor of players :)
I am not a PvPer (in BDO) so the PvP changes didn't impact me negatively. I think the biggest problem with open world PvP is you are forcing people who do not want to PvP to more or less become the content for people who enjoy no-challenge fights or to grief people.
The vast majority of my deaths I was afk so it wasn't even a fight, even if i was there, i wasn't in a pvp spec and I don't have the setup to even be competitive in pvp so it wouldn't have mattered if I was there. Kicking someone out of a grind spot is different, it still isn't a fair fight but at least you are on a class/spec that can fight. But it still forces people who don't want to PvP to PvP. It would be like forcing PvPers to fish if they just want to PvP.
I think there are better solutions, what they did was just kill the desire for people to PvP.
IMO I think guilds should select a state, either PvP or PvE and it isn't easy to change from one to the other so guilds can't hop around to avoid declarations. Only people in PvP guilds can participate in PvP events and different events can have PvP rank minimum requirements. PvP guilds can open declare on other PvP guilds. All PvP guilds have a rank which gets reset at the start of every month. Guilds get points towards this rank for each open world kill, have a leaderboard so both guilds and individual ranks are shown and have cool rewards for guilds and individuals who are on the top end of the leaderboards. You can prevent exploitation/abuse of the system by having the points for kills be based on the difference in ranks and have diminishing returns on killing the same people over and over.
I think you need to have a vibrant PvP landscape outside of events, because if you love to PvP it should be something you can log into the game and have access to that all the time.
Having something like that would allow people who want to PvP have consensual PvP with others who choose to PvP, without exposing people who do not want to PvP to forced PvP. Because in the past some alliances prevented others from accessing PvE resources through just controlling the environment. We got to this point because PvPers abused the open world PvP mechanics and if you tell a developer they have to spend all these resources to police a bad system or change the system so they don't have to then they will ALWAYS change the system.
We just didn't get a viable alternative.
Spot on. 100%.
The one thing id disagree with is, they didnt kill pvp, they killed griefing(you can still force pvp anyone you want anywhere you like). Alongside pvp IS something you can access all the time. Its called Arena of Solare.
I do however like the idea of guilds deciding being pve or pvp and based on what you choose, you are either open to being open world pvp'd or protected from being open world pvp'd if you chose to be a pve guild.
but yeah other than that one point you are 100% correct on all fronts.
@TheCosmicAstro- I get your point but I’ll pull the uno reverse card and say it’s even easier to grief someone grinding by grinding over them and karma bomb. Now with heavier karma restriction and no repercussion for the guild, you can harass people much easier.
@@imPansy Couldnt you do that before though?
idk anything about guild repercussions though.
@@imPansy You can only get karma bombed if you flag up. But I agree, you can still grief someone without PvP. It then becomes a contest of who is the most stubborn party.
I loved playing EVE Online, there wasn't much scope in that game to avoid PvP and there really wasn't any kind of rules against harassment whilst I played it. Harassment, Blackmail, Extortion, Embezzlement... these were good tools and the more insane it was the more it made mainstream news. But due to it's nature it had a very small niche market. It's combat was also slow paced so not as enjoyable for me.
PA had to reign in open world PvP to attract/keep a wider variety of players. We can love that playstyle but if that is going to cost PA a significant amount of money, it is a battle the players are always going to lose. I think they can and should and eventually will listen to the players when it comes to consensual PvP systems.
@@TheCosmicAstro- basically back then if someone would keep coming to your spot, you'd dec their guild so you could freely kill them. vice-versa as well though
Honestly what they need to do is make a whole two different groups of servers once purely for PVP content and I'm talking about open world PVP that has benefits for those players and ones that are specifically for non-tv players that have benefits for them maybe even having a black Spirit have a different appearance depending on what server you go on I think this will greatly help the player base that's divided right now have a spot in one server or the next and really increase how many people come for PVP and how many people come for PVE and life skill content.
Because from what I can see it's not just players looking for PVP anymore it's people looking for two different styles of gameplay and that's okay they need to play to their strengths and actually make servers that are dedicated to these two groups.
I'm talking about at least having 5 to 6 servers for each side and then having special events for the PVP servers and the PVE servers. That would give people the initiative to come back and it would work out so much better. Imagine having peer zones for each server type so it was different vendors different characters and content in each one based off of what the servers was and the events will be based off of what is popular at the time.
There is a dedicated server for PvP already
BDO has lost more than 50% of its playerbase since the beginning of the year. If PA does nothing to address this, the game might very likely go down like did for example Aion. I love this game and want to keep playing it for many years more, but seems PA fails to realize how seriously bad the current situation with the game is.
I took a look while watching this video. I have 79,912 Crons sitting in my bank from just the free ones they have given out over the years. I don't upgrade gear, because it's a dumb system. Maybe they'll make it so I can sell these. Probably not. I'm just going to explore and do occasional life skills and occasional, making of health bars go to zero.
PA took the wrong lessons from CCP, as CCP got rid of PVP in Highsec in a comparable way. But in EVE is lowsec an nullsec where PVP is the way to shine. PA's handling is delusional - nobody will accept the painful enhancement system just to fight mobs, to poof the gains for some rolls on the gear. Rivalty was the main reason for us, catching up and hold the spot. In the actual state playing BDO is just pointless, and they had everything attheir fingertips to get all the issues solved. But finishing and expanding the outlaw system from valencia to satisfy the pvp headed part of the playerbase is just too much to ask. No Tuvalatimmys at Ulukita at all... As you said - greedyness is the reason and killing this formerly nice and challenging game...
Its like what is the premise here that non concentual pvp is what kept the game alive? So the game can only exist as a platform for people mad about life to deflect and take there frustration out on others?
Imo non concentual pvp is not pvp because pvp is not war but the sport of war and there is no sport between people where 1 side out class the other. People get to into it and they take it to serious and they forget this is a sport that means nothing if your dont overcome an honest challenge.
I hate this mentality that we need to have games allow people to be psycopths because that is the majority audience and without it the game will die. Like if a game needs non concentual pvp to exist then maybe it just shouldn't and the people that would have played it would be better off in a game that respects them more.
Capped Content was horrendous. Even grind spots got capped. WTF. Why.. Boss rush was good. Contents like taht they should add more.
I hope PA stops making any Dehkia spots. It sucks
BDO has done what RuneScape did with the removal of PvP and the wilderness, it destroyed the game and in BDOs case removed one of the last deep interesting things in it that people loved, the combat(still one of the best systems IMO, fast paced with multiple things to consider )
Idk if its only in our region but world bosses are almost ignored except offin because it gives mythical feather
I left BDO before the love I had for the game turned into hate.
yippee glab i quit bdo like 6month ago played gw2 recently having alot of fun playing that mmo
Lmao glad someone feels the same as me on Dosa awakening 😂 PA adding more cron stone grind treadmill content as well, and they even made sure you have to enhance and can’t just buy things from the market anymore. Big issue for me since I hate enhancing, because it’s a system that still doesn’t respect your time. It’s not fun to stand in Velia clicking numbers for hours at a time.
Don't worry, they'll keep releasing big boobies for that KR $$$.
Replace J with this person immediately!
U should c the cash shop in Black desert mobile, now that is next level predatory and no shame (part from this BDM is the best pocket mmo there is atm)
It's been greedy and repetitive. Love it, over it, and now there is a new game; Thorne and Liberty. Don't have to do this anymore.
Its much more complicated than that, I won't say its just greed.
I love pvp and fk J but
nobody can bring back bdo unless PA just gives up KR server as a whole.
The game doesn't just suck for end game PVPers, the game sux for life skillers as well. They stop having any bottle necks (that we life skillers would deal with by gathering ourselves) and just gave everyone easy and cheap access. Life skill prices are in the trash. Then they said well now you can go to GURU 100, yeah but with out any benefit. Trading reworked sucked so bad they took it out. Then they said oh you can use Crons for manos now for PEN Manos Accessories, for what? No one needs Pen Manos, you get no benefit from it, since mastery is capped at 2k.
I don't mind the PVP being pushed away because I don't appreciate it when I am grinding. By the way you're wrong. I was always being grieved when I was collecting ores and delotia in the Centaurs, Gahaz, Caudry, Desert Nagas, Desert Fogans or Bashim zones (especially the Centaurs). And it wasn't occasional. If the guy had a problem with me kneeling down to collect herbs wham bang thank you man. Sorry I didn't need that nor appreciated it because there is plenty of map to play in and there are plenty of enemies and stuff to collect. And while that applies to me it also applies to him as well. Better yet. I am fishing and someone decides they wanted to kill me destroying the gold fish in my larger which are available. I only play on the season servers now because there is no PVP and I don't care if I ever get beyond Valencia to get other stuff. I've stopped playing on the normal servers.
I have a suggestion to the PVP problem. Do what is done on Season. Only set aside a couple of normal servers which are PVP restricted, get rid of the Marni thing and let the rest be as per normal. Then some of us that like to do stuff in peace can actually do stuff in peace on those few normal servers that are PVP restricted. Solves a whole lot of problems I'd say.
As for greed I'm confused since I don't find any serious changes that way. I still play free without pearls for anything and that means when I chose to, which I do at the end of a region in the main quest line, I treat myself for some good work. Its not really a p2w game as you might argue because I am not required to use pearls anywhere at anytime. Now if you want to get more of an advantage over me by using pearls that is different. That is a choice. It's why I refer to this game as p2a (Play to Advantage) because buying pearl items does give you an advantage over me. But I enjoy the slow burn so that doesn't phase me and shouldn't phase you. Also I've noticed that I can store lot more in my warehouse and on my larder since they been simplifying many items that one uses for alchemy and cooking like the fruits and essences. Which works.
I will admit that the season checklist for items has come down and there you might actually have me on the greed factor. Once upon a time the season pass had a lot more good stuff that you collected from it. In fact the season pass you purchase from the pearl shop looks like what we used to get from the previous season passes. So on that the game has gotten greedier.
So you have me there.
The game and the world is shyt cuz people like you exist and have the right to vote
Forced PVP was garbage idea from the start. They should remove it completely.
@@ТодорСтаматов-ъ4я the world is failing apart cuz "people" like you have the right to vote
on the note of people not griefing often in your experience, i have an ENTIRELY different experience. I have been playing BDO since 2016, of course taking breaks throughout the years, but when i am actively grinding thoughout the years i have not been able to go a single week maybe 2 without being griefed or force pvp'd. Even STILL, i am being force PvP'd while just sitting at node managers. Happened to me the other day just sitting at the dark seekers node manager by a dude in a ghillie suit.
So i wouldn't use your own anecdotal experience to say "its not that bad and its rare". and yeah this is my own anecdotal experience but thats kinda the point. Everyone experiences different things and just cause you havent had much of an issue with it, doesnt mean thats what other people experience.
That being said, I entirely agree that PA is being way too greedy. Most notably with the obsession with crons and forcing every player into the cron rabbit hole which is such an insane waste of silver and just not fun or interactive..
I know a lot of people are upset that guild based pvp has been shafted, but the reality is the majority of players for the entirety of BDOs life time, dont interact with pvp. I am NOT saying they should just ignore PvP and keep it bad for the people who enjoy it, theyve taken a step in the right direction by letting people choose for node wars in the coming update, and i think they should continue to fix things like node wars, siege, etc. But the reason i bring it up is because a handful of content creators are so heavily focused on it and like it makes or breaks the game, when its a minority of the playerbase. Which is fine, just cause youre in the minority doesnt mean you should be shafted. But it makes sense why PA isn't really focusing on it.
The whole "sovereign weapons were too easy" is PEAK delusion. The fact they think that just shows how ridiculously out of touch they are. Logically they should ENTIRELY disregard everyone who gets a sovereign weapon before the 20+ week grind for the flame pity because these people clearly are the 1% and should NEVER BE DESIGNED AROUND when it comes to difficulty of progression.. obviously the people with tens or hundreds of billions upon billions of silver saved up could just slam sov weapons... mega delusional devs
At the end of the day, its good to continue saying what PA is doing wrong and that they need to fix it. Fix instanced PVP, Fix the cron problem. Give more actual content. I heard they had an idea for an infinite scaling like "climb the castle" thing they were going to add as a floating castle over valencia which sounded really cool but idk if that was real or just a rumor.
BDO was always such a hardcore PvP game. Now PvP happens but only on arsha. Those crybabies should have played another game. BDO wasn't for them anyway. The game we have now isn't even BDO anymore. Marketed as a hardcore open world MMORPG where PvP was mandatory. Now it's a side note that gets ignored permanently. They rather make new classes to sell more invo, weight, and costumes then actually balance all the classes they already have in game. That is all the proof anyone needs. They make the game intentionally inconvenient to tempt you to swipe. That is how every MMORPG made in Korea ends up.
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pity system is a lost ark system that they finally realized.
How dare you accuse casters of having that kind of OP movement!
As a Witch main I can tell you, we had movement for 1 week (ONLY 1!!!) and then they removed it for the reason "it felt awkward". meanwhile the people playing felt.. oh..we are finally not F tier, we are maybe C tier. 😂
Guild League: You mention this was content... while I agree and think it is great, my guild has failed the last 6 matchmaking ques in a row... so I believe that is no longer worth attempting to do. 😂 Too much sitting around and wasting buffs for no rewards due to dead content. 🎉 (They really need to give the losing loot bag for if matches fail the que.)
Yeah I guild league queues were popping better the first time around. Right now the game as a whole isn't doing too hot
they just gotta give us crons/heavily reduce cron cost/requirements and that fixes like 80% of the current problems the game has.(generous %)
Though id say just entirely get rid of the ability for gear to downgrade at all but im sure there is some nerd who would defend that out there. so at LEAST give us crons.
i agree with that, the cost of crons is absurd. for tet blackstar being over 2k crons. the accessorys being over 2k crons. Thats atleast $100. for 1 ATTEMPT
im not defending to get rid of the down grade but id say its not to bad it gives players something to do n work towards but id say increase the chance of success a bit
BDO is a MOney Grab game now- GL to all the morons who are wasting time and money on it. Enjoy that dead game with 1k players
I never understood why they killed open world PVP if they already had Marni realm to address the toxicity, they just needed to improve the coverage of Marni realm spots. Guild protection was fine but I think all they needed to do was just categorize PVP, PVE or life skill guilds so that everyone choose what type of BDO world they want to play in by joining the right guild category, this way everyone can exist in open world but the rules are different according to guild category. Over applying those anti-pvp mechanisms killed the game. The PVP events are great and all but that is just reserved for pure competition and not open world. Let PVP guilds enjoy open world. They can then remove Arsha server. Player base retention is key, new players will come and go but PA would want to maintain the current participation rate high. PA needs to learn from this. There are many ways to address harassment without causing just a collateral effect.. agree with the cron stones cost, I was at end game and it's ridiculous! even tried grinding for hours to buy precision hammers at one point and still failed PEN debos. That's when I just quit the game, had enough!
What BDO used to be is fun, chaotic, with open world PVP and different activities that guilds and friends can do together.
It really hurts me to see a game I have loved and played since 2016 turned out this way. I finally gave up and quitted for good for the first time 3 months ago. I still hold out hope that PA will wake up from their greediness and see BDO becomes better. But for now I'm free from running around for hours and hours without any apparent goal.
Games cooked, they already adressed toxicity in open world by adding more hours to Marnis, but still had to practically say F you to the players by making the ridiculous changes that turned BDO into another shit copypaste.
I already left to play ESO instead, ironically more open world pvp here than in BDO these days cause im being duelled left right and centre
Awalening dosa is fun to play. But its good for awhile at least in test server
MMORPG without ability to show "who's the king of the place" is sucks, even in some cartoon movie, there's always some story that main character is top player that unbeatable, so ppl will gank him everywhere in the game, that's the spice of MMORPG, it isnt griefing, and by take that PvP content they just killed the essence of MMORPG. Right now BDO just feels like you play offline game with some online lobby, there's no connection between player, in SEA we rarely see any guild still hype with siege, they just join guild only for buff and GBR lol.
Add more PvE servers like Arsha to the game. Yes Arsha is a full PvE server. You need other players to get PK'd and I have never seen another player in Arsha.
all i wish is bdo combat in throne and liberty
they improved tnl combat a lot since KR release and i hope they continue. But if they take things to the level of BDO, the lag would be unbearable haha.
Really never knew how people can grind for endless hours and waste their life away, why dont people invest that time into a business make money and then when a ACTUAL good game comes out, play
Life is about waste your time, why people waste their life for buying pokemon cards if they know they will lose money ?
@@OdekU2312HM because they are stupid
This is no different than having a hobby bro. It’s no different than when you sit around with your family or yourself and watch an entire 8 season series. Just let people enjoy their fun
Its dead bro come on admit it the devs are not on their right minds. Its too obvious they want more $$$$ aggressively without giving anything to the players that makes them enjoy the game. They are like dictators just enjoy what we decide is enjoyable in our game fuck your suggestions.
Summary BDO getting greedy TL the mobile game is good
Nonsense reasoning, based on what they should have taken individual measures, it's a video game, if I can PK on a game and I get banned, this basically goes against the nature of the game itself, PA must prevent these things in game and not punish the players, this is the stupidest reasoning I've ever heard in life. A bit like if campers on call of duty led to a ban, crazy stuff haha
endless grind to reach endgame gear so you can grind better, non sense grind if NEWER end game pvp gear will be released
I remember the times when sausan was a battlefield and that was fun
BDO is dead, sadly. Throne and liberty is a breath of fresh air. I want to start streaming again with it once I fix my setup.
I think its all throne and liberty fault.... that game just gutted the player base. I personally been a very casual player from day 1, but I will say when ranked AoS was around I was playing a good 5-6 hours daily, which was the most I ever played ever
If BDO offered the type of content players were yearning for they would never have left for a game with a far inferior combat system :P
@@imPansy cant agree more. Its the bread and butter, and I think ultimately will be its saving grace. I honestly get bored with a lot of games now after experiencing the combat in bdo. It really takes me back to the days of fighters and remembering and doing different combos. And besides my life has enough games the last thing I need is another mmorpg
You still doing bdo content?
Not really man. Just complaining in hopes they swing things around :\
Bro I played bdo since 2017 got 10k hours in it they kept getting more and more greedy time to move on what ever changes they do ain’t coming back it’s like going back to a toxic ex move on TaL is out have fun the time spend on bdo even money is spent but why keep spending when they don’t care about you and never had
Bdo its dead from a day of value pack was added. Before merge servers real players left a game because of p2w. We wait for Archeage 2 because now as we can notice with throne and libert that is fully p2w from first day uou can buy max gear for real money. So if they were comlain about p2w archeage and now play trash throne mobile game its obviuos comunity swap to legal p2w in mmo. So bdo its no problem now with p2w just content.
no one plays BDO for pvp anymore
I disagree on a lot of points, do you wanna hear which one?
But most importantly, forced PVP is always bad thing, and it was BDO number 1 problem. Their main fault was they acted too slow and lost so much playerbase because of it.
Yay more grinding for cron stones while every other material in mp drops to 0.
Please give us other progression than this low chance enhancement cron devouring bs.
Its basically, pick the most silver/h spot go in circles for days, but crons, click, fail, rinse and repeat.
Give us alternative ways to enhance. Maybe a system where whe can craft special enhancement stones that prvent the downgrade and have increased enhancement chance. Or a completely save methode. But make it so that we can do all sorts of activities to get those materials. Like a bit of lifeskilling, grinding different spots, doing daylie quests, include stuff from world bosses.
When it came out i loved to make my save PEN assesorie, just because the way it was created. It gave you a goal, and a direction what to do other than just grinding.
Today im only trying to get 6,5B as fast as possible just to do another OCT Sov click and fail with 3,4% chance. seeing the chance alone makes it depressing.