Great information like always you are an amazing astrologer. 🙂 I want to mention that I got my natal birth chart reading from Dustin and it blew my mind everything was so amazing I got to know about my whole sign chart and my D9 Navamsha chart (I hope I spelled it correctly) highest degree chart ruler and much more, I was amazed, my horoscope natal chart reading really opened my eyes and my consciousness to a whole new level. Thank you Dustin. 🙏
@@HowtorockAstrology You are very welcome I don't even have the correct words I'm just so thankful for what you did for me in that reading. Continue spreading the knowledge, much respect for you and your work. 🙏
Dustin thank you for your work in putting this vital knowledge together as it’s filled in a lot of gaps in my understanding of the zodiac vs constellation. Much appreciated and I’m so glad to have found your channel 🙏 Angela
Awesome video! Y'know a discussion of this between you and Timothy from Rasalila healing would be so interesting. It might turn into more of a debate though haha. I'm sure you guys would give justice to both arguments and you guys seem to collaborate well. Just a thought! Edit! Also a discussion with you guys about the moons nodes and the significance of the lunar cycle and how it represents and moves through all aspects of a monthly chart would be so great!
You may be in luck, the 2nd one was one of our first collaborations. I got Timithy to (patiently) break the lunar phases down for me in lamens terms, sweetheart that he is: ua-cam.com/video/N1s41DDNwBQ/v-deo.htmlsi=6y1rRtDK9KCZjnr-
I have a hard time understanding your tropical argument however this video has been the closest ive gotten to accepting it fully. I still have some resistance
Tropical natal ♋️ 🌞, AC and SN. ♑️ moon & NN. Natal pluto 4 degrees from IC. I would LOVE to hear your take on Pluto's nodes. Clearly, I've skipped a few steps.
In respect to your knowledges, I must probably leave your channel. I’m confused who am I astrologicaly speaking. Dec 9, 1977 sag sun/Scorpio sun? Ascendant? Do you recommend a calculator to use?
No problem, my channel is always here of you'd like to come back. You must listen to your heart.I use tropical measurements. So I would say you are a Sagittarius Sun. Any tropical calculator does the trick, I often use astrodienst.com Good luck.
the stellar astrology ‘age of aquarius’ could still be a thing, it would just be the age of the aquarius constellation. and disconnected from the zodiac, the equinox and the earth’s chakras - i don’t really know what characteristics the aquarius constellation has by itself. we can also talk about ‘energetic/magical intention’, where the constellations and the zodiac wheel have been so conceptually connected for so long, that they are now fused together on a spiritual level, even when they’ve long since drifted apart from eachother. basically, ancient astrologers infused the aquarius constellation with the energy of the aquarius zodiac sign, and now we’re heading into that space - of course this has nothing to do with broader, systematic astrological conceptualisation, it’s only my personal intuitive musings.
I think the processional concept and Plutos move into Aquarius have gotten conflated. I suppose an 'age' is coming, it's just in the context of an outer planet transitioning
my apologies so many questions (pluto in 3rd house). just to better understand the arbritrary nature of the stellar markings, if astrology had developed 2000 years before it did and needed to pinpoint certain areas for predictive measures, what we know now as the ‘taurus constellation’ would have been called ‘aries constellation’ back then, to mark the start of the vernal equinox/ascendant point? when the sun was near the taurus constellation at this time period? this is assuming that with earth’s current moving and relative sliding back across the stellar signs, at some point in history, the sun was near what we now know as the taurus constellation during the vernal equinox. unless i’m wrong because the planetary movements and processions are erratic, etc.
Well the Tropical vernal point defining Aries in the zodiac has been a thing since around 500 bc - 0 AD - ish or longer. Nakshatras connected to the stars has also been around longer even than the zodiac. The idea here is that siderealists falsely assumed there was a connection of the vernal equinox point with the stars that lined up with it at the time. So an "aries constellation" is somewhat a contradiction of terms, and therefore so is an Aquarius constellation. That's the meat of the issue here. Yes I agree that the vernal point beginning at a certain star group still has meaning. I correlate it to nakshatras ie, we are currently in an age where the vernal equinox falls into Uttara Bhadrapada, and I think that says something about our age. But it has nothing to do with the 12 sign tropical zodiac becausr the zodiac (according to my camp) was never constellational, it was always "tropical," relating to the yearly calendrical dance of earth and the sun. Hope this is useful!
@@HowtorockAstrology it's not a contradiction because nakshatras have qualities associated with the 12 rishi's, for example aswini exalts in sun the same way Aries is exalted with sun and ruled by ketu another boost to the sun...
Even with tropical vedic astrology, the star signs (nakshatras) being fixed doesn’t make sense, because they were meant to be placeholders for planetary analysis. now we know they move in relation to planetary movement, that should be acknowledged, no? tropical astrology can be fixed because it is based on an objectively fixed equinoxical/ascending point system. it’s “magically coherent” if you can say that. but if the constellations and zodiac signs coincidentally lined up in 0AD, how did vedic astrologers know to plot it one sign behind (23 degrees behind) to reflect the planetary positions today? or was it a recent thing and are they going to continue retrograding the planetary positions to coincide with the earth’s orbit forever? (for example in 500 years March 21st will coincide astronomically with the aquarius constellation) - will i be a pisces sun with an early aquarius nakshatra in tropical vedic astrology, then? hope i was clear. but am just confused. thanks for the very in depth video, haven’t finished yet so might get my answer later.
okay so ancient vedic astrology was sun/moon based. i’ve known about the lunar focus of sidereal astrology, but how does that makes it more locationally correct? i know next to nothing about the origins of nakshatras. are they based on physical constellations, if so how are they any less ‘incorrect’ than the original constellation markers, with the movements of the planets? or are they also a fixed theoretical projection?
@@sainttheresetaylor2054 they used the actual positions with sun dials and mathematically formulated mantras to locate the planets as taught by the sages even carl sagan thinks vedic is accurate but tropical is not
@@lamarweaver7670 if you look in the sky the position of the stars matches sidereal. The problem is people try to read it like western but it has different rules and applications
@@lamarweaver7670 tropical also doesn't account for the precession of the equinoxes like like vedic does, which is why it's more accurate. It's called ayanamsa
The central point is that the zodiac signs are divisions of the Sun's path in the sky throughout the year, based on the equinoxes and solstices, not the arbitrary constellation divisions.
@@Jean_Michel108 exactly my point vedic accounts for that more accurately however the constellations are more important and tropical falls short in that aspect
Tropical natal ♋️ 🌞, AC and SN. ♑️ moon & NN. Natal pluto 4 degrees from IC. I would LOVE to hear your take on Pluto's nodes. Clearly, I've skipped a few steps.
Thanks for watching folks. Email me at astrology@dustincormier.net if you'd like a reading.
Great information like always you are an amazing astrologer. 🙂
I want to mention that I got my natal birth chart reading from Dustin and it blew my mind everything was so amazing I got to know about my whole sign chart and my D9 Navamsha chart (I hope I spelled it correctly) highest degree chart ruler and much more, I was amazed, my horoscope natal chart reading really opened my eyes and my consciousness to a whole new level. Thank you Dustin. 🙏
What a lovely post I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks Johanna!
@@HowtorockAstrology You are very welcome I don't even have the correct words I'm just so thankful for what you did for me in that reading. Continue spreading the knowledge, much respect for you and your work. 🙏
Dustin thank you for your work in putting this vital knowledge together as it’s filled in a lot of gaps in my understanding of the zodiac vs constellation. Much appreciated and I’m so glad to have found your channel 🙏 Angela
Thank you so much!
Dustin may speak about Scorpio please
12:05 Consider me interested, this stuff is blowing my mind!
Awesome video!
Y'know a discussion of this between you and Timothy from Rasalila healing would be so interesting. It might turn into more of a debate though haha. I'm sure you guys would give justice to both arguments and you guys seem to collaborate well. Just a thought!
Edit! Also a discussion with you guys about the moons nodes and the significance of the lunar cycle and how it represents and moves through all aspects of a monthly chart would be so great!
You may be in luck, the 2nd one was one of our first collaborations. I got Timithy to (patiently) break the lunar phases down for me in lamens terms, sweetheart that he is:
ua-cam.com/video/N1s41DDNwBQ/v-deo.htmlsi=6y1rRtDK9KCZjnr-
I have a hard time understanding your tropical argument however this video has been the closest ive gotten to accepting it fully. I still have some resistance
Thank you for giving it a try, that's all anyone can ask for.
Thank you so much for sharing
Glad you watched this one Moe!
Definitely starting to be able to digest this a bit better now. You’re so incredibly brilliant Dustin.
Tropical natal ♋️ 🌞, AC and SN. ♑️ moon & NN. Natal pluto 4 degrees from IC. I would LOVE to hear your take on Pluto's nodes. Clearly, I've skipped a few steps.
My friend Timothy Halloran and I did a great video on it here, for some extra info:
ua-cam.com/users/live0lOKvWpdrrQ?si=m9aKhDRaPpnAkt9k
❤❤❤ Love you and love this
Thanks for the insight. My ac is cancer and moon in Leo sun in Virgo
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In respect to your knowledges, I must probably leave your channel. I’m confused who am I astrologicaly speaking.
Dec 9, 1977 sag sun/Scorpio sun?
Ascendant?
Do you recommend a calculator to use?
No problem, my channel is always here of you'd like to come back.
You must listen to your heart.I use tropical measurements. So I would say you are a Sagittarius Sun.
Any tropical calculator does the trick, I often use astrodienst.com
Good luck.
@@HowtorockAstrology thank you! I will pay respect and keep watching your videos. Will get what’s meant to me. ♥️
the stellar astrology ‘age of aquarius’ could still be a thing, it would just be the age of the aquarius constellation. and disconnected from the zodiac, the equinox and the earth’s chakras - i don’t really know what characteristics the aquarius constellation has by itself.
we can also talk about ‘energetic/magical intention’, where the constellations and the zodiac wheel have been so conceptually connected for so long, that they are now fused together on a spiritual level, even when they’ve long since drifted apart from eachother. basically, ancient astrologers infused the aquarius constellation with the energy of the aquarius zodiac sign, and now we’re heading into that space - of course this has nothing to do with broader, systematic astrological conceptualisation, it’s only my personal intuitive musings.
I think the processional concept and Plutos move into Aquarius have gotten conflated. I suppose an 'age' is coming, it's just in the context of an outer planet transitioning
Have thought of that for sure, though the "Age of Aquarius"has been around sincs Pluto was in Leo in the 60s so its likely not the main correlation.
my apologies so many questions (pluto in 3rd house). just to better understand the arbritrary nature of the stellar markings, if astrology had developed 2000 years before it did and needed to pinpoint certain areas for predictive measures, what we know now as the ‘taurus constellation’ would have been called ‘aries constellation’ back then, to mark the start of the vernal equinox/ascendant point? when the sun was near the taurus constellation at this time period?
this is assuming that with earth’s current moving and relative sliding back across the stellar signs, at some point in history, the sun was near what we now know as the taurus constellation during the vernal equinox. unless i’m wrong because the planetary movements and processions are erratic, etc.
Well the Tropical vernal point defining Aries in the zodiac has been a thing since around 500 bc - 0 AD - ish or longer.
Nakshatras connected to the stars has also been around longer even than the zodiac.
The idea here is that siderealists falsely assumed there was a connection of the vernal equinox point with the stars that lined up with it at the time.
So an "aries constellation" is somewhat a contradiction of terms, and therefore so is an Aquarius constellation. That's the meat of the issue here.
Yes I agree that the vernal point beginning at a certain star group still has meaning. I correlate it to nakshatras ie, we are currently in an age where the vernal equinox falls into Uttara Bhadrapada, and I think that says something about our age.
But it has nothing to do with the 12 sign tropical zodiac becausr the zodiac (according to my camp) was never constellational, it was always "tropical," relating to the yearly calendrical dance of earth and the sun.
Hope this is useful!
@@HowtorockAstrology it's not a contradiction because nakshatras have qualities associated with the 12 rishi's, for example aswini exalts in sun the same way Aries is exalted with sun and ruled by ketu another boost to the sun...
Even with tropical vedic astrology, the star signs (nakshatras) being fixed doesn’t make sense, because they were meant to be placeholders for planetary analysis. now we know they move in relation to planetary movement, that should be acknowledged, no?
tropical astrology can be fixed because it is based on an objectively fixed equinoxical/ascending point system. it’s “magically coherent” if you can say that.
but if the constellations and zodiac signs coincidentally lined up in 0AD, how did vedic astrologers know to plot it one sign behind (23 degrees behind) to reflect the planetary positions today? or was it a recent thing and are they going to continue retrograding the planetary positions to coincide with the earth’s orbit forever? (for example in 500 years March 21st will coincide astronomically with the aquarius constellation) - will i be a pisces sun with an early aquarius nakshatra in tropical vedic astrology, then?
hope i was clear. but am just confused. thanks for the very in depth video, haven’t finished yet so might get my answer later.
okay so ancient vedic astrology was sun/moon based. i’ve known about the lunar focus of sidereal astrology, but how does that makes it more locationally correct?
i know next to nothing about the origins of nakshatras. are they based on physical constellations, if so how are they any less ‘incorrect’ than the original constellation markers, with the movements of the planets? or are they also a fixed theoretical projection?
@@sainttheresetaylor2054 they used the actual positions with sun dials and mathematically formulated mantras to locate the planets as taught by the sages even carl sagan thinks vedic is accurate but tropical is not
Vic dicara fan Bois 😂
Vic Dicara uses tropical. He only uses sidereal for nakshatras.
@@CirrowProductions yeah that's why he deletes comments and stopped doing readings for a while lmao 😂
Tropical is easily disproven with a telescope lmfao it's that easy 😂
How so?
@@lamarweaver7670 if you look in the sky the position of the stars matches sidereal. The problem is people try to read it like western but it has different rules and applications
@@lamarweaver7670 tropical also doesn't account for the precession of the equinoxes like like vedic does, which is why it's more accurate. It's called ayanamsa
The central point is that the zodiac signs are divisions of the Sun's path in the sky throughout the year, based on the equinoxes and solstices, not the arbitrary constellation divisions.
@@Jean_Michel108 exactly my point vedic accounts for that more accurately however the constellations are more important and tropical falls short in that aspect
Tropical natal ♋️ 🌞, AC and SN. ♑️ moon & NN. Natal pluto 4 degrees from IC. I would LOVE to hear your take on Pluto's nodes. Clearly, I've skipped a few steps.