Civil Conservative Debate Blows Up, Moderator Threatens To End Panel
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- 2v1 Debate versus conservatives starts civil but spirals out of control quickly forcing the moderator to step in...
Date: 14 Jan, 2022
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00:00:00 Teasers / Intro
00:01:13 Jan 6 was uniquely bad, tech difficulties
00:04:59 Calling a single protest mostly peaceful is misleading
00:11:03 They let BLM riot...
00:15:59 "It's a riot... you're right"
00:21:39 Maybe only land owners and men should vote...
00:25:28 Conservatives are walking contradiction
00:27:30 Homeless ppl and mental illness is their fault
00:34:39 Nancy Pelosi's laptop also went missing...
00:41:00 Destiny's process for digesting news
00:47:58 It's exciting when you feel like you're the only w/ answers
00:53:04 Trump's appointees were all against Trump, big lie
01:08:14 "Do you think black people shouldn't be able to vote?"
01:28:12 She shouldn't have been shot for trying to break through...?
01:31:16 Let's find something to agree on...
#Destiny
Destiny 1v2 Conservatives on Fanatiq's panel
Destiny debates a former friend turned anti-vaxxer and Gottecks ft. Trihex ►ua-cam.com/video/7b1jsS0815k/v-deo.html (Previous Fanatiq panel)
Not starving isn’t too far from the standard we should hold ourselves to. The only thing people should be gaursnteed in life, is life. And also liberty and the pursuit of happiness ig. Is that really controversial?
@@uninspired7714 access to food, water, shelter, health, some education is where the lowest should be at.
There's a clip of biden slipping saying they've orchestrated the biggest election fraud to this date. Or something along those lines.
Take that how you want to.
@@mickeyboy90 if instead of health you mean basic medical care then I agree
Destiny is Google AI confirmed
"Country is bad because I'm banned from twitter" and "i believe that too many people have the right to vote" is a fuckin wild thought process
Too many idiots... is it really that wild of a thought process that a large majority of the voting public needs to a step stool to raise their IQ? I'm sure our solutions to said problem would be different but the problem still exists.
Nah i kinda agree. Social media has way too much power to sway uneducated voters. Simply just making a test to vote could solve a lot. Simply answering questions about who you are voting for, and against. And lets say it was Trump vs Bernie, answering questions on capitalism/socialism. Nothing crazy, just stuff you could research in less than a days work.
That means the media/journalism is bad not the country. If you make social media or journalism and the country equivalent you failed before you began.
@@whatNtarnation90 using that logic newspapers have too much power to sway the votes. Are you so unaware of history that this thought never came to you? Or is it so foreign that you never considered the past as anything other than what you read?
@@kakyoin9688 I agree with you, I just think it's much more of a problem today than it was before. Kids are growing up not even seeking political content, and being force fed it on Facebook, Tiktok, UA-cam, etc.. And obviously main stream news. I think there should have always been a test to at least understand the basic fundamentals of who you're voting for, or what you're voting for. That, or news stations having to label themselves a "news" program, or an "entertainment" program. If they choose "news", they're liable for any lies told, but if they receive new information that what they THOUGHT was true, wasn't, they have to cover it just as much as they did before but with the new information in play. Else, they are held liable for large fines.
No one, right or left or center, should be against receiving FACTUAL information. If they are, they are bad actors.
This man really said that schizophrenia is the person's fault lmfao
The level of arrogance and stupidity
And what is with his statement, "Liberals support the destruction of the family." Where is this coming from?
@@icin4d Comes from the same place that spews "All conservatives are religious nuts or nazis" Basically. It's just propaganda.
@@Adalon- It makes discourse with the average "teamer" impossible. 85% of conversations I have eventually end up with people asking why I want to destroy the nuclear family or why I'm anti nuclear family. Like that's literally my family, the 2.5 kids house with a fence wife that has no issue with me making familial decisions (as long as she gets input), 65,000 a year job (out of literal convenience I could make more but the hours are amazing).
Right. PTSD is the veteran's fault. The homeless veteran mind you...
Damn, Destiny has god-tier level patience. I would have lost my mind at "only landowners should vote."
Jusy curious, do you think you'd feel any different if we adjusted other policies in some way, like a ban on single-family home ownership by foreign corporations and some sort of limitation or tax penalty for owning a home you don't occupy? (Or maybe do that _and_ limit it to "only landowners should vote in state & local, or even just local, elections"?)
I don't want to broadly shut people out from voting, but I do see the value in making sure it is the community who has to live with the the decisions that are made that makes the decisions. I don't know if you've ever lived in a college town, but there were voting drives all the time at the college I lived near, registering students who almost entirely lived on campus, going back home for at least four total months (holiday breaks) every year, and didn't have much interaction with the town. It seemed wrong that those students could change policies and elect candidates for a town they didn't have a stake in. (And this can apply in places like a gentrifying neighborhood where a developer has been allowed to build even a small group of "luxury apartments" in the same voting precinct as a long-standing community that's done a lot to keep blight out of their area and maintain a way of life that they've figured out together over time, as neighbors. A couple hundred wealthy young professionals moving in from totally different areas with different values, concerns, and no sense of community or permanence could easily constitute a big enough voting block to swing a local election that would affect the neighborhood--including votes to change zoning to build _more_ apartments.)
My concerns and interests are in seeing more individual home ownership, deeper community roots, and more interaction with local government, not finding sneaky ways to disenfranchise people, and I'm interested to hear if there's some way to do that at least wouldn't reach the level of "lose my mind." 😄
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 I've only read the first paragraph, but what about people who live In apartments. what about homeless people in the community, should they get to vote?
@@lou9511 if you read the following paragraphs you’ll find that he actually does not give a single shit about people in apartments or homeless people
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 most voting is already done by the elderly. the young people (those college kids you so despise) especially only seem to focus on national elections rather than smaller ones. to take away someone’s ability to voice their opinion on who is literally going to lead your country because they visit home over the holidays is insane. if you want to make sure people having a say in politics are the ones who are actually around in that area, maybe you want to focus more on a shit ton of politicians that don’t even live where they run for office as they have more direct cause of what goes on than a college voter.
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 cool story bro, but can you pass that shit? Boutta go out
"Leave me alone, I decline to answer" holy shit lmaooooooooooooooo
First honest glimpse of him in the entire panel
A delusional skeptic and a half brained bootstrap conservative. We're back in 2016 bois
Skeptical of everything except for what she believes lol
Which one is which lmao
*B o o t s t r a p s*
This is the one ☝🏽
"He's the voice of the people" but we also need to take away everyone's voting power for him to win.
He's the guy who told Dylan that most Black people shouldn't vote because they don't know what's good for them. I'd take everything he says with a metric ton of salt
@@jameskilgour387 metric ton of salt?
If this guy told me the sky was blue i would have to double check
@@hmkhgx8068 To be fair, I don't know if the sky is blue, but pretty sure the media would lie about it if it is, but again I don't know if the sky is blue.
@@jameskilgour387 it's true, 90% of us have no Sapience, just like intellectuals. Mouth-breathers are not Human.
@@jameskilgour387 Which is ironic because this is exactly the critique conservatives throw at "white liberals" for acting like they know what's best for black people, when he's here literally saying "Conservatives don't want you to vote because we know what's best for you."
You gotta give Fanatiq credit, he's gotten VERY good at calming down, being level-headed, and remaining objective as a moderator. Compared to his original screaming match with the entirety of Prime's panel, he's refined his approach nicely since.
It's been a great character arc for him. Proud of him.
This hasnt aged well
@@WhitecapPXQ oh no what happened
@@ts4gv he trying to cancel destiny for being/enabling racism.
@@lampad4549 yeah that comment was when it seemed like he was improving, but now Prime is more intellectually retarded even if he stopped the screaming repeats
It's so frustrating that the guy who says that the capitol police officer "didn't have to" shoot the woman who was in the middle of breaching the capitol building, and would go on to say that the shooting of Bryonna Tylor was justified because her ex boyfriend was a drug dealer.
both can be abuses of police power at the same time. reality isn't partisan.
@@TheKlopka If you think these two cases are even a little bit similar, you're the partisan one
@@TheKlopka”can be” doesn’t mean it is.
Hake thinks he’d pass an IQ test to be able to vote?
That’s the fun part about many of these malcontents when they push for such policies. In a cripplingly elitist and oppressive world where even IQ eugenics were in effect, most of these people would be the absolute bottom feeders of the underclass. Hell, Hake would probably not even exist.
@@ordohereticus3427 If we were going from a Eugenics standpoint I’d agree, but I’m not gonna go there. Even land ownership. If he wasn’t a streamer and lived somewhere like CA, there is no way he’d be competent enough to secure a position that would pay him enough to be a land owner. He is a uniquely privileged person in a unique position: Far below average intelligence and skills, who has an exceptional career and pay only because people just as dumb as him watch.
To be fair, nothing he thinks seems to be representative of reality.
@@Ryattt81 I would have to agree with you there
Hake is the type of guy to bring a ladder to a house party, since the owner told him that drinks are on the house.
Hake Logic - "you can't trust the media"
Hake Logic - "I get my facts from the media"
Hake Logic - "I believe what I know"
Destiny - "Was the election stolen? "
Hake - "I don't know it, but I believe it"
Rationale*
Logic isn't an opinion or format of proposing one's opinion but the innate state of existence.
You mouth-breathers are stupid, mere intellectuals.
Uhmazin
Getting facts from media doesn't necessarily imply trust in media. One can often distill facts from the spin applied to them, especially if time is taken to examine what diverse media outlets say about that under consideration.
Poor Hake. He was more confused than a chameleon in a bowl of Skittles…
@@kevinarnold8634That makes no sense.
Uhh, what about CPTSD? Which is often PTSD caused to a child? Let me guess, the child should just move? LOL.
The host did a really good job. He stayed out of the way for the most part but came in occasionally with really good clarifying questions or to bring things back on topic. Please do more debates with this dude.
True
Fanatiq seems to be a much better moderator than participant.
@@troydennis96 i agree.
@@troydennis96 Fanatiq is such a fun person to have in a debate though.
I'm sorry but Hake makes whatever panel he's on 5 times more entertaining. He's actually so braindead yet so confident that it's almost endearing. You never know what madness he's going to spout next.
It's like what destiny said about Hasan, he's like a big dumb dog.
@@brandonislemons Hasan > Destiny
This is LITERALLY VIVIAN But on a CONSERVATIVE SIDE . Holy fuck where do these people spawn from
He said it's homeless people's fault for having mental illness
How spoiled and arrogant must you be to say something that fucking inconsiderate
@@ms.bunniesarecute2287 Maybe if you're missing a chunk of your brain and just want to hear a hunky guy reinforce your dog shit political opinions than ya.
As a former Christian, I have to say it's unbelievably ironic to me for Hake to invoke good and evil minutes before saying we give too much to the poor
Ironically all the Christians I know hate the idea of helping poor people in any way. It's sad.
Why are you a former Christian? What made you lose faith?
@@TheClassicalConservative I was raised catholic. Around mid teenange years I started questioning things and could no longer justify the belief.
@@griggerykimothy4865 I feel you, I experienced the same thing. Thankfully I found the Catholic church, and am now in the process of converting now🙏🏻
@@griggerykimothy4865 Same for me but from orthodox Christianity. Took me a while but I eventually told my family I don’t believe in it and of course they did the whole “let’s talk about it (so we can convince you)”.
Feels like The Hake Report guy is a South Park character come to life. It’s mind blowing!
Is the Hake report guy "all there"? He seems to be suffering from whatever JLP is. It's like there's something slow about them and it almost feels bad laughing at their ignorance.
"I dont have to shutup! Im an American" the reason for America's decline summed up in one sentence.
America's decline stems from freedom of speech? 🤔
@@GuyMcDudeman I think what they were saying was that we as Americans tend to grandstand without truly listening.
@@BoinkadelicJones I could definitely get behind that phrasing.
@@GuyMcDudeman You could also take it to mean we as Americans blurt things out without much though then use our freedom of speech as a shield rather than putting more though in. At least, that seems to be what Hake was doing.
@@GuyMcDudeman yeah, what the other guy said. Freedom of speech is great, but if you use your speech to steamroll people and never listen to facts and other arguments then it's useless.
I remember a conversation Steven was having with Fanatiq where he was screaming like a mad man, now in this panel he is promoting being civil...I am glad that the side characters in this anime are having growth.
Watched that debate recently I must have missed a depression arc for him since
He took notes from CTV's moderation skills
Honestly seeing Fanatiq scream was very entertaining although it probably wasn't very good for his own sanity
@@lo-filogic it was funny but only in the “small doses” sense like Haz who yells the same way. Fanatiq probably realized it’s not sustainable to have “yelling” as their most memorable trait
I think he is a great moderator and will get better with time. He doesn't get carried away by his own biases, does a fine balancing act. I just hope he doesn't get too fixated with "civilness" because those heated moments are what make a debate interesting.
Destiny has gotten a lot better at asking really good questions poking holes in consistency and logic from the other
I actually bumped into one of your critic before I actually saw any of your videos destiny. I Confidently can say that You are as solid as a rock and the value you bring to this video is pure gold.
I used to think this Hake guy along with Jesse Lee Peterson were professional trolls that were just fucking around but after reading their comments sections, Im even more embarrassed to be a human.
Sometimes its better to devolve back into monkey and think of all the bananas and swinging trees and how bare our asses are.
People really are in fact that stupid
I dont think Hake is a troll sadly. I think hes just stupid and confident about it
I feel like he IS trolling. When he starts laughing when destiny asks if he could know if Trump is a rhino or not or when the vaccine suggestion comes up I feel like he knows the right answer and he's laughing cause he's been caught grifting and doesn't know what to say
The Occams Razor take here is that people are ducking stupid lmao
It hurts me to think that there are people who believe in Hakes ideas when his response on being pressed to provide literally any opinion was "leave me alone"
At least he isn't pretending to be a centrist. Just straight up mask-off extreme right wing beliefs. Only landowners and "people who love America" should vote holy crap
Its honestly super crazy. He makes for great content, but damn people take his word as the bible and its fucking scary. Getting in the jabs as "Black people shouldn't vote because all of them are misinformed." Like man wtf. Or, "She is an armed service member." "Yea, but she is a woman." like... With the fucking confidence he says that is crazy. I'm not sure if I should be impressed by his confidence or scared.
@@20Tresten unfortunately I rarely see other conservatives push back on people like this. While they might not be as extreme on their views, they are really tolerant of them as long as they are on their sides. Dems push back on each other much harder and for much less
@@AK4525 Super true. Which in itself is good to keep everyone honest, but can be rough when coming together politically for voting.
Exactly.
Him: Only MALE LANDOWNERS SHOULD VOTE... (essentially, I should tale rights away from people "lesser" than me)
Destiny: "Why?"
Him: "Leave me alone."
What a baby brain.
Big ups Fanatiq for being one of the best moderators I’ve seen on twitch. Not that it’s a hard title to claim, but still.
I'm digging the new chill Fanatiq approach. Much better than a couple months ago.
As an active duty member (13 years so far) and also someone who spent a month in a mental hospital for the self forever sleep, this was almost triggering as some points. This Hake report guy should actually go to the military wing of a mental hospital and actually talk to them before he says anything.
I work with the elderly and many have problems due to past wars. It pains me that this asshole comes on and speaks this nonsense.
Hope you’re doing better brother
@@how-brash Well I haven't ridden down the suislide yet so definitely better.
@@solargoomba I hope the trend of good fortune continues, brother.
@@solargoomba 🤣🤣🤣 "suislide"
Can we please find conservatives to debate who won't contradict themselves the literal next sentence and actually take positions instead of "I don't know".
There are none
@@Klamev i legit had my world turned upside down watching these destiny debates in the past 3 years, i used to believe people had logical reasons to believe what they do.
I dont think i could have gotten it more wrong.
fuentes
There’s one up and coming on Modern Day Debates this Sunday :D
@@111vincento Scott Adams, whatever you think of him, had a great comment about the "rationality" of people, which he attributed learning about to his time studying hypnotism. It is that many of us believe that a lot of people, especially ourselves, are rational 90% of the time and emotional 10% of the time. It's actually the other way around. We are emotional 90% of the time. But, what we do is we rationalize our emotional reaction, which makes us think we are rational people, when we are really rationalizing people. Most of the time, if you really think about it, you have already made a choice and then you spend the next moments rationalizing that choice. The choice almost never changes during that process. This is one trick that good trial lawyers are aware of, which is why most trial defense lawyers are charismatic, looking to connect emotionally with the jury or find a way for the defendant to. It is oftentimes less about the facts of the case, which speaks to the apparent problem with disparities in convictions and sentencing for minorities compared to white offenders.
While I may not like Fanatiq as a debater, I actually vibe with him as a moderator, so long as there isn't someone he tryna clap on the panel. I'd say he's better than Prime as a moderator at the very least.
He’s fair, for sure.
The whole "they didn't know what they were doing" excuse is just so bs. You dont just walk into the capitol building and be surprised that there will be repercussions
This dude is fucking insane
'I'm gonna weasel out of this one'
Why would bite that bullet 🤣
Good debate, Destiny did a good job of addressing the poor arguments and cornering his opponents. He also did a good job of not hammering them so they could cry victim, he just made sure to give them the space to say their stupid ideas and let them hang in the air. Glad he was able to show their bad faith tactics repeatedly.
Yup. That's why I love Destiny. He knows how to politely debate and counter people's arguments without raising his voice or getting upset whatsoever.
Seriously, perfect amount of pressing the issue and then moving to a different topic to release tension and return later when it proved the inconsistency in his not knowing/believing in the election versus his belief in other's belief in the 'fraud'
@@fedoramafioso6245 he gets upset and raises his voice a lot I feel like lol but remains able to rationally deliver the same arguments either way
The fundamental problem with this debate is that the Holt believes anytime a woman, a child of an immigrant, or a Democrat voted that it’s fraudulent because its “against the interest of the country”. So when Destiny is asking if he believes there’s fraud fraud, he’s asking about Dominion changing votes or Joe Biden dropping off a truck load of pre printed votes, and Holt is thinking “yes I believe there’s fraud because people who support gay rights shouldn’t be voting”
You can hear the cognitive dissonance in their voices. Destiny did a great job
Love the piano break. Good timing, i was tuning out when the 2 were debating themselves
I try my best to listen and understand people with different opinions because that's how I normally learn new things but it's so difficult when they start saying the dumbest crap.
As much as I like the logical arguments with some rhetorical stuff sprinkled in it just annoys me to know that these are people that have no intentions of ever changing their opinions based on what arguments they hear or the evidence being presented. I know it can be used to convinced some of their audience but they just go back to their streams and radicalize more people.
I mean, the guy literally said he wouldn't recommend anybody get vaccinated because conservatives wouldn't like it. He's just a blatant liar. I'd be more sympathetic to an idiot.
@@Breadbored. yeah he's basically lying and he admits to it a couple times. But it still doesn't change that it's probably the most annoying shyr ever.
All this guy did is pick and choose what he wants to believe. The election was “definitely a setup” but it’s “impossible to know by who”
What’s the point of such discussions at all when some of the guests practically admit to being dedicated to the ideology more than the truth itself? Supposing any of us happen to be wrong on a political stance we hold-so what? What’s the worst that can happen? We are wrong? I’m pretty sure our egos can take the hit; there are hundreds of far more important consequences.
@@keatsiannightingale2025 It's just to demonstrate to people that they can't back up their claims with anything. An example of this type of debate being useful is Avi Bitterman debating Steve Kirsch.
Prior to watching that debate, the stuff Robert Malone and Kirsch were claiming had me a little concerned. I don't have time or training to actually go through all the studies and analyze the statistics from the trials and all that stuff, having a fulltime job and family makes fact checking this stuff difficult. It never made me not get vaccinated or anything, but it kinda sat in the back of my mind and made me a little uncomfortable, given the credentials of Mr. Malone and all that. After watching how completely incapable Steve was at defending even the most benign claims he was making, I got some piece of mind and a good laugh at how silly it was of me to worry about any of that.
I suggest anybody that has any doubts about the vaccines watch that debate. Even if you just want to see an anti-vaxxer's entire world get dismantled by somebody that actually goes through the math, it's worth the time.
Honestly, august is a good editor, too good, he makes me want to sit through 1 hour of dumbasses not knowing what they are talking about to get to destiny making a good point. well done august.
Previews on point lately. Forces me to watch in full
He gets payed well. That helps a lot
@@godiebeard he gets paid well because he’s good
@@vvvictoriav5958 chicken or egg thing but yeah he probably was already good to begin with
Yeah every time Destiny delivers a very SaLIeNt point I coom a little
I'm listening to this at work, and all my co workers are wondering why all the laughing 😃
Destiny’s performance is great. DGG chat though, you guys are the real heroes, never fails to make me laugh.
I actually think Destiny came close to breaking through on their media bubbles and him questioning how they can trust their sources over institutional sources, but Hake was being dishonest for fear of being wrong on stream. You could see he couldn't come up with an answer, and I hope it made him think a little.
rightoids don't think, so no.
@@moksha8473 Anyone who identifies themselves on tribalistic terms has already given up their ability to think for themselves: Right and left.
he already admitted to grifting lmao he already knows there is a side that he's on and that he has to conform to whatever the rights narrative is.
This mofo said, "leave me alone..."
Bruh. 🤦♂️ You came on this discussion and called people idiots. You said only male landowners should vote.
But when you are asked why?
"Leave me alone..." like some scared little girl.
Clown. Dude is an absolute TOOL, and anyone who listens to his report...I feel bad for you and anyone that has to deal with you.
Jeeesus.
Destiny was just as dumb as the people he was debating. Did everyone forget about Kyle Rittenhouse. where we watched every left wing outlet lie about something we can see with our own eyes. I don’t have enough fingers and toes to count all the lies I’ve witnessed from left-wing media.
Between blinking and breathing, Hank doesn't have a lot of brain power left to think
The sweet moment when the guy's brain just completely short circuited because Destiny asked whether homeless veterans are lazy, oh man cognitive dissonance is just hilarious.
This is the #1 way to instantly pretzel any hardcore conservative in an argument. Not this specific example but using their own biases against them. People who see the world in black and white implode when the grayness of the real world is forced on them.
@@callowaymotorcompany Yes it works for non-vegans too, it's just cognitive dissonance, once you reveal it their brain can't handle it and they have an emotional response. It's really a feature of the brain, cause it's so amazing at tricking itself.
Gotta love how Fanatiq says he won't use Discord because the video quality looks bad, but he has a fucking 240p video feed on whatever website/app they are using.
True af 😂
Potato lookin ass quality but he has standards tho 😂😂 he did great here but that makes me laugh
I'm debating Hake on Thursday on Crucible lol the memes will be so good
james hake the guy literally stuck in 1921 who thinks democrats of today were worse than slave owners of the 1800s? lolololol
Good luck
This ought to be good
I don't know how you can debate someone who will appeal to basically any conspiracy theory whilst refusing to actually take a stance on anything.
lmao "leave me alone I decline to answer" the best "oh shit I cant answer this question he caught me in a trap" answer ever
At work listening like wtf am I in my discord too? All the rust sounds in the background lol
That Hake guy is like a large toddler. His logic and his cadence remind me of one.
Honestly As bad as Hake is This lady is driving me even more nuts, there’s nothing worse than someone who is absolutely convinced that they “outsmarted the system” when they really really really haven’t
This is every conspiracy theorist ever, though. Flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, Big Lie believers, etc. I believe they all do this just to smugly think they're smarter than the majority of the population because of this exclusive thing they know/believe... but in the end, not many people believe it because it's objectively wrong and they're just stupid.
She is a Tim Pool clone
I don't think she really contributed to the conversation in a meaningful way.
EDIT: She did chime in for the back in fourth for how you get your information, but other than that she only gave one liners really.
idk man, Hake is pretty terrible, it's hard to beat him. I vote for him at being the worst XD
i mean, she's a rambling idiot, but hake is clearly worse
like, holy shit, the babbit discussion, he started with a pro insurrection position, went on to a racist one and ended on a sexist remark
all in less than a minute
how
I'm a conservative, I've recently started binging Destiny's debate streams, and it's so annoying to see how irrational some of these conservatives come off as some times.
Destiny debates with a lot more good faith than I first thought, and even though I disagree with him on a lot, it's nice to have my views challenged every once in a while
The hake repoet dude literally said people aquire schizophernia. As someone with a family member who had it. That shit was disgusting
@@websurfer8670 Yeah man, that guy is an actual parody (like JLP)
Watch long enough & you'll be free from the conservative indoctrination
@@Seaneey happens to all of us, join the club brother. I still have my guns
@@Seaneey Seeing as I used to be liberal, I highly doubt that
This is more "opposition research" than anything lol
“The Blacks”
I love listening to conservatives suddenly care about all the injustice in the system now that they're under the scope lmao
Why? It's affecting us personally now, of course we'll care more
@@TheClassicalConservative lmao
Ive always cared. I think the police action in the protests were justified. The people on Jan 6 fucked up when they stopped being peaceful. I'm a Trump voting Republican. Its not hard to be consistent. Rioting bad. People defending themselves from people rioting, not bad.
@@callowaymotorcompany I can’t believe he said that without realizing…
@@Expertspecter it's not just how the police on scene act though they can be terrible in their own way (floyd) but how you can be treated in the system too. People being interrogated can be held for 23 hours, no food, constantly being kept awake to ask questions in some places (laws are county by County) Entire women's prisons going without tampons causing the entire place to look like a crime scene (smells God awful and thicker than normal blood too) the list goes on for miles.
I think that one lady not being COMPLETELY insane is a testament to how just reading alone can help ground you a little bit. She has way too many werid trust issues, but she seems to understand the basic facts of the world a lot better than most conservatives and was willing to give ground sometimes.
I think she looked quite good, but she was also compared to Satan sitting in the top right-hand corner there.
Ok, nobody else noticed the grenade explosion out of nowhere at 57:55?!? I can tell by the confusion on Destiny's face he was caught off guard? I think someone's tryin to take out our boy...
Living in a bubble you really forget just how bad things can be. Like, riding a greyhound from Houston to Baton Rouge really gives you some perspective.
Goddamn this is one of the most thoroughly unpleasant people I’ve ever seen destiny debate
But like how do you *know* that man? /s
@@nicememes7570 I don't know! /s
Time for a true test. Live in a world ruled by Hasan or Hake Report guy
@@ubuu7 Even though I think Hasan is pretty dumb and all at least you would have pretty decent personal freedom in comparison to a Hake rule, which could range from slightly racist conservative to straight up semi-democratic fascist. I just don't trust that the guy is being honest with his opinions whereas I think I know what I'm getting with Hasan(well meaning dumbness) and prefer it.
Destiny on a roll lately with these debates. Keep it up
Wrong form of roll
@@aidanhennessey5586 ?
@@leot-j6312 he edited it after I said that
@@aidanhennessey5586 ah that makes sense
This is hilarious. Loved it.
I feel like this dude has outpaced them intellectually.
Should’ve called hake a beta for not answering, lmao, would’ve been a good meme
When Conservatives say things sometimes, you can tell that they know that they are saying something really fucked up. You can tell they know that what they choose to believe is ethically or morally wrong. Why do they push through these beliefs?
That's substantially better than ultimately just feeling everything you think & say is God's word & commandment as well the single most moral option and there are no other thoughts or opinions that can be right if it's not 100% equal to their own. Then feel if you don't mirror their feelings well you must be a racist nassi white Supremacist regardless of skin color.
@@Millennialaire i mean there are a lot of conservatives who genuinely hold beliefs that are in line with fascism. Do you feel calling for example nick fuentes a neonazi is unfair to his political positions? If a person advocates for communism, its pretty fair to label them a communist. Of course both fascist and communist are labels that are misused but i dont think its unfair to call someone advocating for an ultranationalistic ultraconservative ethno state a fascist.
Because it‘s easier to make money with that than with a nuanced differentiating view. I bet I would be a multi-millionaire by now had I come to America 10 years ago and insulted BLM, LGBTQIA+ people and attacked Democrats constantly for anything…
Same can be said for liberals and left wingers. People can hold crazy beliefs on both sides, calling out one side while not acknowledging the other is dishonest. Both sides harbor some fringe opinions, but the question is should we categorize the entire political ideology with those few fringe beliefs? I don’t think so.
@@gumblodobbins4465 The difference is that a lot of conservatives are genuinely fascist and don't even understand it, while they simultaneously try to label leftists as 'communists' when they can't even define the term. So when we call right wingers fascist after they literally defend or promote fascist ideologies, we're factually correct, but when they call anyone they don't like a communist, they're just latching on to whatever buzz word their demagogues have been spouting. Conservatism has quickly become one of the biggest threats to the future of America. Just listen to the psychotic rhetoric coming from the conservatives on this panel and realize that this is what a substantial portion of Americans believe.
hake's got the cadence of someone that plead mental incompetence to an indecent exposure charge and won
Holy shit, your patience is freaking astounding.
"I HAVE TO WEASEL OUT" the grift doesn't work otherwise.
Bruh I burst out laughing at that part fr
This is necessary and good work, Destiny.
Yeah, it sure does help the Oligarchy keep their idiotic citizens at each other’s throats instead of recognizing the insidious truth before their own eyes. Great work indeed. America should be nuked.
not really necesary
political debatě on internet won't change anything
he got fukn stunlocked on the homeless part lmao
This man playing Rust while debating i love it
I was a bit scared that this wouldnt be as entertaining as the last panel Hake was on. He started off being quite slippery on his stances but once Destiny finally manages to pin him to it the crazyness ensued. Love it. Would have loved Destiny to push him even further on the part about black people and immigrant voting. He is so completely lost and have such absurd opinions on those it is amazin.
I still can't listen to him with out my brain automatically passing everything he says off as trolling, although I am now convinced that he does believe this shit so I have to remind myself, he says it with his jaw clenched so it sounds like he's bullshitting.
I think he gets an extra fetish like kick out of hearing his terrible honest opinions "trigger us all"..
agreed. Seemed super weird that Hake even had to point out that the cop who shot Ashli Babbit was black. I am glad Destiny pushed him on the military service stuff but I can't help but wonder what the convo would have been like if Destiny went with the other angle. I feel like Hake does not believe most of what he says and just tries to be a white and younger version of Jesse Lee Peterson for the grift. He saw how charismatic and interesting Jesse Can be with his absolute batshit insane talking points but he did not adopt ANY of the charisma or delivery.
WARREN
Wow, that one guy is so slimy. But you can tell he does believe the big lie. Unfortunately, the majority of people on his side feel the same way he does.
"the big lie" lmao
@@MultiLex101 Would you rather us call it “The Election Fraud Conspiracy Theory of the 2020 General Election?”
@@TheBasedGreeg I'd rather you call it, “the election fraud theory that admittedly entails some unreasonable claims but also contains claims that can be substantiated and that should be investigated further”, but you’re most likely a typical leftist ideologue that can't help but think of a complex political issues in absolutes, so I see why “Da bIg liE”, is just about simple enough for you to tolerate.
By the way, the establishment media that shares your idiotic mentally and that ironically created the mind numbing term, “the big lie”, is failing miserably; your ideology now commands the least viewership of any political group, your presidents approval is at all time record lows and at this rate, you're party is about to get destroyed in the midterms. Your pathetic ideology is dying and you’re killing it. Anyway, have fun in one of the few eco-chambers you left.
@@MultiLex101 Which claims do you think are able to be substantiated?
@@tannerw.1239 the fact that more republican voters comitted fraud than democrat voters. He is right in that. There was fraud in the election and most of whatever little there was, was on Trump's side...something that is almost always conveniently forgotten about. I mean there are other claims that can be proven like Trump begging for votes and trying to overturn the election like a little pussy once he saw he was losing.
Jesus Destiny, you straight murdered them with that argument starting 5:00, they went full silent mode for a full 10 secondes lmao 5:58 to 6:08
This calm destiny arc is the opposite of epic but still incredibly satisfying
I’m 5 minutes in and I already need him to whip out those piano-playing skills
"I'm an American I don't have to know what i'm talking about". As an Irishman looking on I don't think I've found a more honest and distilled admission from an American about any of their opinions.
One of the coolest hosts I've ever seen tbh
Still can't get over how there's an Irish flag in the background by accident haahha
My brother developed schizophrenia and we lived in a stable home. He never did drugs, drank alcohol, etc. He was a straight A student, was on his way to graduating with honors at university with an engineering degree and then the schizophrenia developed when he was about 21. The Hake take on mental illness is despicable.
Oh my god. The perfect examples of individuals who are delusional. I would say this was a treat to watch, but man this omega PAIN. Thank you August for the upload
I like seeing omegalul on UA-cam
The fact I could tell he was playing rust just by the audio says I played that game WAY to much.
24:17 "it didn't use to be this problem"
soul patch has a way with words
good god hake makes JLP seem coherent and sane by comparison. this dude legit has no idea how burden of proof works or the fallacy of proving a negative. i can't imagine the mental state of someone that unironically listens to hake and takes him seriously.
50% of the population has an IQ of less than 100.
@Just John I don't think there's any actual data for that, but there is a lot of data that shows that Republicans are far less educated than Democrats.
@Just John I know. I said I wasn't aware of any data for IQ, you wally. You seem to struggle with reading comprehension. What were you saying about irony? Lol.
@Just John No, you inferred something that wasn't there. You made a mistake. Don't worry, champ. we all make mistakes.
@Just John I didn't infer anything, dumb dumb. The word you are looking for is 'imply', and I didn't do that either.
This JLP jr is a real 'merican hero, I tell you w'hut Bobbie.
1:28 “I don’t have to know what I’m talking about!” - Hake
10 minutes in and Hake is already having to disavow statements he made mere seconds ago.
lmfao what a debacle on Hake's end like wow. He kind of just pulled the curtains on himself and revealed himself as a reaction machine operator
This girl is really good at Interjecting with a point that has nothing to do with the conversation. So destiny was talking about how to measure poverty in our country and she starts talking about McDonald’s? The quality of American food has nothing to do with how we should measure poverty. They asked her if she thought the election was stolen and she responds by saying every election is stolen and Her disappointment with the two party system. The instinct to immediately broaden the scope of the conversation instead of zooming in on a specific point is an indication That she has only the most superficial understanding of any of these topics.
I agree with you completely about the girl on the panel. She is a model specimen of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Definition of the term: Dunning-Kruger effect, in psychology, a cognitive bias whereby people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria or to the performance of their peers or of people in general.
She has high level crackhead energy
She is a parody of conservatives. If she said she was just trolling and is actually left leaning, I'd completely buy it. She's just too dumb to be real.
@Xavier E that’s a really good way of describing her.
In the video of Ashley being shot, you can hear them yelling clearly...If you're breaking into somewhere, where you are crawling through a broken window, and someone on the other side is telling you to stop, I don't think it matters if you see them.... What happened to just obey orders given to you by the police?? 🤔
Watching Hake struggle to make a Coherent Sentence/Statement is the Funniest Shit Ever😂😂😂
Destiny, I'm a conservative (maybe right-libertarian is more accurate), and I give you a lot of credit for being intellectually honest and consistent whenever I see you debate. It's honorable and pretty rare. Although I think generally Christians/conservatives do a better job than the left in this sense, we still have a big problem with it. But I really respect that about you!
It's so funny how he's like forcing himself to get pissed off during that moment where he says I DONT HAVE TO SHUTUP IM AN AMERICAN. Its such nervous pathetic energy lmao.
caleb straight up lobbing facts at us aint even have to aim, no cap
Give the timestamp
@@char1363 it's part of the intro
Wait not all of it
Here 1:28:43
"Can mental illness be hereditary?" And he proceeds to say down syndrome which is an intellectual disability so not a mental illness and it's not hereditary. Where does the internet find these intellectual heavyweights 😂
In the Gutter Called 4chan😂😂😂
This whole argument can be summed up with one scenario.
Amazon requesting proof your package hasn't arrived.
Man, it's so revealing when Destiny starts saying something inconvenient and his opponents start shouting one-liners at him - ANYTHING to stop him finishing his sentence. The southern lady in this video is a masterclass - "do you listen to yourself?" "It must be nice to trust everything!" Good lord
You’re forgetting the most important thing: Infrastructure is just a communist buzzword
Every single word that woman said reminded me of the girls I grew up with. They would all say "Im really mature for my age" and even then I was aware that they cant really rely on their own assessment of their maturity, and even if it was true, being an abnormally mature 16 years old doesnt mean youre mature.
That guy is so extremely painful to listen to. Oh man he is so deep into another dimension it is scary...
we need more hake debates, this guy is awesome
TIL getting PTSD is a consequence of your own choices
Especially the Vietnam vets who got drafted against their will and then inundated the mental health resources of the VA and subsequently overwhelmed the homeless demographics…maybe they should’ve fought getting drafted a little harder
Only caught the tail end of this when it was live, this is gonna be nuts!
Spicy preview at the beginning
Anytime he’s asked to state a position: “I don’t know”
Major shout out to fanatiq for putting together this great content!
This conversation was painful.
I hiked through the southern Appalachia region and there are plenty of poverty stricken towns with high crime and illegal drug use.
Frantic's voice sounds like a person is talking in recording in fast forward mode.