DNR at 38 years of age
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DNACPR (DNR)
44. They asked Jamie five times to sign a DNR, a do not resuscitate document and he kept telling them no.
The following day (28th March) they asked him again and
it was five times in total that they asked him to sign a DNR.
There were two other occasions and he repeatedly said they would need to speak to me.
46. Jamie got upset enough about this that he called me; he wanted me to reassure him that I wouldn't agree to it. He was terrified.
He never signed one and there were never any conversations about DNR before.
They eventually tested him for Covid. Jamie was initially told that the result was negative but then the doctor came round to see him later that day and said he had tested positive. He said the doctor thought he was over the worst of it.
My friend works in the hospital, and she said that there had been e-mails and a leaflet sent out to say who would and wouldn't get treatment so I knew Jamie wouldn't get it.
53. On 4th April Jamie facetimed me; he looked really well. He was up and dressed. Jamie's oxygen must have been reduced because I had no trouble hearing him. He was laughing and joking away. I thought he must have been getting better and I would get him home soon. I asked if he was getting out and he said he would ask the doctor.
Bereavement.
57. She asked if I understood that Jamie was
going to die. I said absolutely not as he was sitting up in bed joking yesterday.
60. They gave Jamie midazolam to help him sleep. I went home but asked them to phone me and I would come straight back as I didn't want him to be alone.
61. I got a call the next morning (8th April 2020) to ask me to go back to the hospital. They said, 'it was time.' When I arrived, there were five nurses in the room with him in case I didn't arrive in time.
62. Jamie was in and out of consciousness most of that day; he was scared because he was having trouble breathing. He kept grabbing onto the bed rails frantically and shouting to me as he struggled to breath.
The palliative care team came in and asked if I would like them to give him something to make him more comfortable; I agreed. They rotated the midazolam with morphine.
63. Jamie passed away at 11.29pm that night. Before Jamie passed away, we got married. He had been asking me and up until he became really ill, I had always said no not until you are better. I thought it was the last thing I could have done for him. He knew what was going on, a nurse took a video, and they got rings from the lost and found.
64. My mum got the chaplain, and we were able to get married in the hospital.
They murdered him. We live in a sick society.
they are criminels ./
One of thousands I fear and the next planndemic will give them complete power over our bodies and will surely lead to a massive cull of the population.
Our society isn't sick but the people who own the people who run it are.
"For the greater good..."
Evil is a better word.
Make absolutely no mistake, this is murder.
Democide.
Clap for our angels….
BY ORDER OF THE STATE ; MURDER
@EscapeTheMatrix......
There's only 2 types of people and there's only 2 final destinations:-
Saved and unsaved.
Heaven and Hell.
We choose where we go.
Best regards.
It's an act of evil. To make it simple, evil does three primary things: 1) destroys life, 2) perverts the naturally good, and, 3) lies. We've seen all three come from the "medical professionals" lately.
My mother died alone in a care home whilst we her children were forced to wait in the next room for the results of a lateral flow test. She could have seen us, we could have held her hand. What the state and the NHS did to us is beyond disgusting. To deny a dying woman the right to say goodbye.
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I am so very sorry 😢
She is with you.
Can't express how deeply sorry I am for you.
Like I don't get that. Obviously she was dying or ill, did they really believe you were carrying something that would end her life early - earlier than a day, wow
We must never ever have a situation when people are banned from visiting sick people in hospital. Sick people need an advocate to protect them.
We've already had that situation! It was called The Pandemic.
There was sadly no other choice.. did anyone you know go to the Healthcare facility and volunteer to help? It was then that we needed volunteers to step up... Healthcare is a finite resource
@@user-uq7yr9mg3jThe answer is allowing patients loved ones to see them. Otherwise the doctors and nurses are to be put in jail for kidnapping and potentially killing a patient.
And yet it happened.
@@user-uq7yr9mg3jI was too busy caring for my mom, so she could stay at home, health care offered MAID.
An elderly friend of mine aged 81 fell at hoime and hurt his arm. In my humble opinion his wrist and lower arm was badly bruised, but his brother insisted that he should go to hospital for an X ray. When he arrived at Antrim Area Hospital, he was taken off for an X ray which showed that he had no broken bones, but he was diagnosed with covid and admitted to a ward. He had no breathing problems and had shown no signs of covid, but within a few hours, he was put on a ventilator and by midnight he had died. In my humble opinion, the Hospital murdered him for the COVID bounty. Nice little earner for the trust, eh?
Exactly the same thing happened to a friends father in Australia.
I am sorry for your loss. I had odd experiences as well. I was in ER for arrhythmia and was told to go home to be protected against covid??????? That happened twice. I got covid pneumonia? IN NOV DEC 2022. I am not convinced I had covid but I did have pneumonia. NOTHING ON THE CT REPORT MENTIONED ANY COVID TYPE VIRUS. I WAS given that vaxovid spelling? Twice the second time passed five days. I think it made me worse and did nothing. So instead of treating my dehydration palpitation etc they send me ho. On po antibiotics to return to the medical clinic. I had to have IV fluids twice.
cool story except you werent there
These are painful but necessary that these stories be told.
@@mikeoxlong1483You sold your soul then ?? No compassion or empathy is sick.
Governments and the pharma industry need to be on trial . . . .
Add the media, police, military and intelligence services.
Doctors ...nurses ....healthcare all need to be held accountable...the evil in hospikills is something I never thought I would see but it's happening and they will get their just deserves very soon
Neonatologists too who forced separated mom and babies for 10 days at my hospital if mom tested pos PCR, EVEN WITHOUT SYMPTOMS!
So do media ,I just tried to share this clip of Dr John Campbell's on fb in a comment on my own page ... fb message said it can't be shared as it goes against fb community standards
All in the diabolic Plan. Trust no one. NHS still pushing COVID/Flu injections
He was murdered. That’s a crime punishable by imprisonment. Many doctors if not all are complicit with this nightmare.
Most are just misinformed, brainwashed pill pushers with no capacity for independent thinking (thanks to the western education system)
Watch the documentary called Caring Corrupted.
>>>Covid-19, the fentanyl epidemic, Government caused civil unrest, the Governments push of the WOKE AGENDA and abortion, ARE ALL aimed towards "DEPOPULATION". What is depopulation? It is, "A reduction over time in a region's population and can be caused by sudden adverse events such as outbursts of infectious disease, famine, and war or by long-term trends, for example, sub-replacement fertility, persistently low birth rates, high mortality rates, and continued emigration.."
WHY would world Governments want depopulation? Here's a quote from scientificamerica.com : "Declining populations will ease the pressure eight billion people put on the planet. As the population and sustainability director at the Center for Biological Diversity, I've seen the devastating effects of our ever-expanding footprint on global ecosystems.."May 4, 2023
World leaders, including U.S., plan to reduce Global populations BUT THEY CAN'T JUST SAY THAT, no, the world populations would be appalled and fight back. So, instead, they develop and deploy GENETICALLY ALTERED VIRUSES, Fentanyl and vaccines that cause death, disabilities, low birth rates and still births. they push a WOKE AGENDA because people who undergo alterations to identify as a different sex, WON'T BEAR CHILDREN. Civil unrest, People flooding our Country, Rampant crime, Stirring racially controversy, ALL LEAD TO DEATHS AND A LOWER POPULATION.- FUNDING WARS...LOWERS WORLD POPULATIONS.
This is ALL BY DESIGN! Each year there are more NATURAL DISASTERS and people depend on their GOVERNMENTS FOR HELP. There are more and more homes and businesses destroyed every year. It's cheaper to have people die, than to keep trying to rebuild. If enough of WE ORDINARY PEOPLE die off, there will be more for the elites like the WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM, THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION, BLACK ROCK, and the WORLDS WEALTHIEST PEOPLE and let us NOT FORGET WORLD LEADERS!
Now, our Government is saying that "RURAL AMERICANS ARE A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY", the fact is the KNOW RURAL AMERICANS ARE RESILIENT, They can and do produce much of their own FOOD, can heat their homes without the power grid etc. They WON'T DIE OFF EASILY. Oh, let's not forget, they OWN GUNS and can fight back and hunt for food. They are really just a threat to DEPOPULATION.
In some states they are making GARDENING and OWNING SMALL NUMBERS OF LIVE STOCK ILLEGAL!. If we can produce our own food and food for our neighbors, they say we are "A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY." I say, we are a threat to their evil plans.
WAKE UP...WAKE UP. Of course Anothony Fauci (Dr. Death) was involved in the creation of SARS COVI 2, better known as COVID-19, he and the rest of our Government. Washington isn't really fighting for us with all of their hearings and other BULLSHIT...IT'S A SHIT SHOW to cover up their real mission. THEY PLAN TO SURVIVE AT OUR EXPENSE! (PERIOD)
If you scare someone enough with consequences they will say and do anything. I don't know if I can blame all the nurses. They were sold lies too
@@piratepeat8851bet you’re praying day and night that mindset will protect you from life in prison.
"Help him sleep"- yeah, the big sleep. Murder plain and simple
Watch the documentary called Caring Corrupted.
Mida zol am Ma tt as Ma tt Hanc ock was known....
These jabbing nurses and others have shown themselves to be monsters
Do a little research, and you'll find out that the nurse is were horrible administrators of death during World War II as well
Exactly. Just for money that will depreciate. Shows how much they value life.... or don't. Pretending to care and doing the opposite? I had no idea the average person was so devilish.
Take a look at the Milgram experiment.
Those Nurses and Doctors who refused the jab themselves were kicked out and that paved the way for "yes people" to carry out their plan.
Where there’s fish … there’s fishermen as saying goes 👀
I'm a hospital RN and refused to sign a DNR recently when I had to "be a patient". DNR has become a license to kill.
WTF???
But why? What's the advantage? I'm not denying it. Just curious.
@@dextermorgan1Because replacements are arriving everyday.
@@dextermorgan1 get rid of "useless eaters"?
Wow, you must have lost all belief in the system!
My husbands grandmother, 90, was in the hospital years ago with the flu. They didn’t feed her for 5 days and she naturally started to decline. They asked my father in law to convince her to sign a DNR. Instead he insisted they FEED her. With food, she immediately perked up and went home 3 days later.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Not all nurses are angels!
Amen...I'm a retired RN
Yeo, get the Nurses … Doctors are holy gods…!?
Doctors got a certificate to keep live running…. ¿away?!!!
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Doctors are dealers not healers…
Es gibt darunter sehr bösartige Menschen. Ich kann das sagen, ich war selbst in diesem Beruf
Some are angels of death...
Dealers, absolutely!.. most certainly the psychiatric doctors. They are literally licenced drug dealers ... big pharma is the main supplier... 120k a year?... they're on more than the illegal drug dealers!
dark forces are at play in the UK
Uk??? In the world
Always have been. Most corrupt and twisted demonic state on the planet.
it the whole world maytee
The darkest being our reluctance to do anything about it.
This is a major universal issue.
MPs under WEF, don't want a proper enquiry. This speaks louder than words as they depart from the Commons when Andrew Bridgen raises the subject.
I do wonder how many of them have taken bribes thru third parties on behalf of the CCP.
The WEF yt ch and the Center For Health Security ch have some very important meetings on today.
When the public gallery is heaving, the house of commons empty, and the deputy speaker threatens to kick everyone out, you know democracy is a thing of the past.
@@nigelhawes9258 I forgot they did that a couple of times when they decided to grant themselves extra powers.
We are the carbon they want to reduce.
Now I know how they killed my mother in hospital Jan 2021. Same pressure to agree to DNR 4-5 times in one night.
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This was done by the very same healthcare professionals for which people ridiculously stood outside and gave a standing ovation. Not only criminal but immoral.
Because I felt that things where very far from how they should be with our Health Service and especially that we where being encouraged by Mat Hanncock i just didn't feel like joining in with the Daily ritual.
I always thought it was ridiculous to stand outside clapping like a load of dumb seals. It was their job, for goodness sake! It just brought out the narcassism in a lot of them and then they started demanding ridiculous pay rises!
The whole clapping saga was nothing more than a group think exercise where the sheep willingly followed. An NHS IT worker made no secret of what was going on in my local hospital. Wards were empty, staff were sat around using their phones, their meals were provided free of charge, parking was free and absences were through the roof as isolating didn't go on their sick record.
Horrible, horrable treatment. He could have gone home. Instead, he was put to sleep. I call that, murder.
Campbell had a half million pound investment at the same time as vaccine rollout..?
@@user-wu1dv6jk5s And you know that because you are his personal banker..Eat shit bot..
@@user-wu1dv6jk5snot the Campbell keeping us informed as much as possible. He should be knighted!!!!!
@@daisydogpup2129 everything reported by him already exists in the public domain, he's keeping you believing in covid and long covid, that's all
He was murdered. No other explanation, murdered. The public outcry should be deafening, nothing but SILENCE.
Watch the documentary called Caring Corrupted.
And yet these evil nursing staff and doctors are still working with your loved ones.
Dancing with the devil!!!!!
Disgraceful, this man was only 38 years old. It’s so difficult to grasp the evilness of it all.
It really is telling when JC can post daily content about different crimes against humanity which are easily evidenced, but the BBC and Government don’t give a f***. What has the world come to?
Концентрационный лагерь
Get ready because this is just them putting the feelers out to see the type of reactions to expect.
There's far worse in the pipeline and coming soon.
Think it's bad now we've seen nothing yet
It also tells a lot about the nasties who come on here fighting about Dr John being a grifter. He is here doing a vital job. Yet people can't appreciate that .appreciate by discussing what he reports on. And sharing his take home messages . Instead it's all a pointless clown show.
@@David_Camerwrongunscream if you wanna go faster. Or..keep virtue signalling without ever organising. That will work too.
I have often said this “was a trial run” to identify who will comply and who will NOT, and what more extreme measures it will require to Control the MASSES MORE EFFICIENTLY.
BE AWARE THAT ROUND 2 IS COMING!!!
Facebook isn't allowing this video to be shared on their platform, it "goes against community standards/guidelines" absolutely sickening! This type of corruption runs all the way to the top!
This is why I deleted any and all FB garbage years ago and refuse to use it for anything. People need to flat out refuse to use it.
I find Facebook to be like a big giant field where the sheep still roam, literally seen two people post today that they have just gone for their boosters and ironically to 'stay safe'
why are you surprised its a private company but its not even private more so the government has a strong hold over the social media platforms
I just tried posting. Facebook disallowed me
Back to posting cat memes then!
My mother was killed in a hospital in the U.S. She was talking on her phone and doing well enough that the nurse told me “She’s got a pretty mild case”. They gave her Remdesivir and within 24 hours her vitals started to tank.
I’m so sorry for your loss. Prayers for you & your family.
My condolences.
Remdesiver can cause kidney, liver and multiple organs system failure. It was an abandoned ebola therapy.
They gave me remdesivir twice. My liver had problems for a year. I took milk thistle I got from the vitamin store and it seems to be working. Hopefully my liver will heal.
Remdesivir is also darkly known as "Run Death Is Near" ...
“Angle’s of death” working in the hospital. They should be giving the same treatment as punishment.
Demons and 666 minions.
if those "angle's of death" prayed for genuine divine inspiration and wisdom........... they would most likely quit their jobs i guess.
I said the same thing! I wondered how many angels of death or also known as "angels of Mercy" got away with serial murder during covid! Oh my God, it could have triggered people to do it who might not have ever given in to the desire before that. Just fleeting thoughts. But under these conditions, it would be way too easy to get away with it.
Just one of the many reasons I no longer seek out the services of medical professionals.
🎯 Me, too. I don't trust them.
i quit docs 3 years ahh go. and non bio dentists about 2 years ago.
Me too
Me neither I will try and stay healthy and avoid them
Same
No two ways about it...this is MURDER.
Appalling and abhorrent, i used to work for the NHS, this is truly despicable.
I am a registered nurse in the US and am not working in Healthcare because of this BS... I'm still angry as hell!!! I've been shouting about it since I left the ICU! Families being kept from their loved one! The treatment or lack thereof! Ugh!!! I feel horrible for this sweet woman. 😢😢😢
This is disgusting. They did the same to my mum after she was left disabled after the jab. They didn't even have the decency to tell us. We found out after a doctor slipped up. She just recently passed away.. We are looking at how we can hold these people accountable for what they have done. Both from the jab and the poor care she received before her death.
Go for it although it'll be difficult as these TRUSTS (a misnomer!) LIE. Do an SAR for all her medical notes etc and get lawyers like Irwin Mitchell involved if you can.
This is so awful. I am sorry. God comfort you as you grieve.
@@RACHEL-pu9gf thank you for this. I didn't know how to start. But checked this Subject Access Request and think this will start the process of getting some answers. The hospital and care home were very secretive and negligent.. My family want answers.
@@ldevs430 Go for it. I have an ongoing complaint with a Hospital Trust who inform me that they are unable to indentify at least seven Doctors who attended my husband and wrote up a DNAR unbeknownst to us. Who are walking the corridors of the hospitals?
I'm so sorry. You are very brave, my sister's husband passed away in hospital a few years ago. She suspected malpractice, but was too exhausted and grief stricken to try to pursue any channels. I hope you all find peace. Much respect xx
To go through 15 months of treatment to keep you alive, only to wind up…..well, murdered.
Things that make you say hmmmm!
Key phrase if you go to a hospital. "Do you want us to make him/her comfortable?" The answer should be, "let's get out of here". Sedating patients till they die is the new treatment. I have heard too many ppl. say it happened to family and i have experienced it in family myself.
@@mayc8674 💯 yep hospice is to kill people. Every time I hear someone say comfort medication I know they're looking to kill someone.
@@mayc8674they do. my ex mother in law was a nurse and she told me they basically quietly euthanise anyone they think is better off dead. Usually with meds such as morphine which depress the respiratory system or inadequate oxygen administration...Like they have a right to decide how someone's life should end. I'm not even talking about palliative care either judging by the detail of the conversation we had. I'm talking about just older people who go into hospital for treatment for issues with existing conditions, completely treatable conditions. From what I gather from my ex MIL, happened usually with patients with easily treatable cardio or pulmonary issues. Seems to me that euthanasia has been happening well before it became a legal choice by the patient but sadly in these cases not at the patients discretion but a decision made by Drs and nurses who don't value a persons life enough to give them the respect and grace of going out on their own terms.
15 months of treatment means a lot of money in their pocket.
My friends and family have often heard me say, “they couldn’t kill us faster if they were trying.” Well, it appears they are trying.
my sister died of cancer last week. She had a dnr because her time was nearing. She signed shortly after diagnosis while she was still coherent. she ultimately died on her own terms wants and beliefs. No sick person should be presented with such a document if they cannot think clearly. and if an ill person signs such a document the medical establishment should be held responsible for coercion of murder. straight up.They are just trying to save money for the NHS and insurance companies that don’t care about anything but money
i pay $200 per month for medical insurance. Haven’t been to a dr in 10 years but afraid to be without it just in case. I am healthy and well right now but one never knows
So sorry for your loss.
So sorry for your loss.
The proper term is "undue pressure," and we need to get laws passed to prohibit hospitals, govts, schools, employers, transportation providers, etc, from usng "undue pressure" on people. Coercion is to threaten to hurt or kill someone if they dont do as you want. Undue pressure is where you make things uncomfortable for that person and pressure them to do something against their will. Very important that we pass laws to PROTECT people from UNDUE PRESSURE.
@@fangletterman-ng2ro Agreed all must be done with a clear mind and the person needs to make their decisions known to everyone. If coercion by health officials they should be held accountable for their actions. I know my sister it’s what she wanted and she got it but not everyone is the same. Perhaps others want to live on but are pressured into signing documents they don’t agree with because of the pressure of the medical profession
That's murder. He was murdered.
Yes, he was murdered. This is evil.
The hospital murdered my mother. They said she had covid so no one was allowed in the hospital. Then because she didn't have any symptoms they didn't treat her. The left her lying unattended in a bed for 14 days until she was "cleared" but by then she couldn't move from malnourishment and dehydration and the hospital wanted her out but couldn't get any rehabilitation facility to take her because of the covid diagnosis. She had a bed sore which eventually became septic and she was not able to recover. She diminished and died less than 3 months after going into the hospital. The hospital claimed the government wouldn't allow them to treat patients with no symptoms and were required to isolate them. The government and hospital and the individual Dr's are all responsible for her early death.
Deepest sympathies, grace, and gentle hugs to you Robert...
I'm so terribly sorry this happened to your dear mom. My sincerest condolences. May those responsible be held accountable.
Oh my, I am so very sorry for the loss of your mom. One cannot even imagine the fear and pain she must have experienced.
God have mercy on us. ✝️🙏
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My geriatric Dad died in hospital last week. He was my best mate. I'm still grieving. He went in for a chest infection and they said because he was elderly, it was probably best to have a DNR in place. I said I don't want any chest compressions or defibrillation, but if he aspirates I want him put on a ventilator. He did aspirate and they just let him die. He was strong as an ox and mentally 100% and he could have survived this. I'm crying as I write this.
So sorry ........... it's horrific
Oh man, how heartbreaking. I'm so sorry
So sad ... sorry for your loss.
I can empathise. My dad slipped and badly banged his head on the floor of a supermarket he just entered just before Christmas 2020. The decision was made to ambulance him to a hospital, even though he quickly recovered and told them there was no need. They forced him against his will to go to the hospital. I was told he wrestled with hospital staff when he arrived repeating he didn't need to be there and he should be allowed to go home. It took several hospital staff members to subdue him, as he was strong for his age, forcing him to stay. He spent around a week in the hospital before he was discharged. I don't know what they did to him but he was a shadow of his former self, which was absolutely shocking. It seemed he'd been heavily medicated on something. A couple of days later he deteriorated rapidly. Practically became a vegetable! He became so weak he couldn't even lift himself off his chair. The same man who a week before the slip in the supermarket was strong enough to move a large fridge freezer out of his kitchen into the back yard, ready for the delivery of a new one the following day. I had no choice but to call emergency services who ambulanced him straight back to the same hospital. He spent another two weeks there before I got the call he died. Pneumonia caused by COVID was the apparent cause of his death. He was 84. I've been highly suspicious of the whole episode and believe he was killed by the hospital staff. Premeditated murder!
My condolences I’m so very sorry for you loss unfortunately greed and money has blinded alot of people and their humanity especially medical care now you are just a number this is why it will fail in the end unfortunately those of us have already lost our loved one who are priceless to us expose these evil people for what they are driven by greed is the worst .
It is horrifying how this is similar across the world. My sister went into the hospital with Covid in Bangalore, India and never returned. We were not allowed to be with her in the last few days and it still destroys us to think how lonely she must have been (she was a very social person) in the end. She was 44. This is murder. She got "Covid" 10 days after taking the AZ shot.
This was tried twice with my mum. We got the Christian Legal Centre involved for advice. Eventually unknown to us, they took her off Furosemide, and she was gone shortly afterwards. They put a DNR on her without any decision from us, or any consultation or even explanation. The consultant arranged for her junior to call us, who gave a confusing message to us, obviously meant to mislead. The hospital big wig, tried to excuse the doctors action. What ever happened to hypocratic oath? Sad to say John, unlike yourself, there is a big bunch of medical staff that think killing patients is a virtue.
So sorry for you darling..they want us..boomers gone ..😢
"Do no harm" is only to their own standard of living.
@@01inarow they had to admit, there is nothing in the pension pot to pay out pensions.
So it's institutionalised. Truly shocking.
@@newforestpony9567 Did you see the French series "Hold up" , then on, then out.
The subtitle is "Primum nocere" in Latin. First DO harm.
You can find extracts and subsequent interviews on YT. But it's in French.
I live in America and it’s no better here, my aunt was admitted to the hospital about 10 years ago for a non life threatening illness, they put her on morphine and other meds then her organs started to shut down. We were told she would die in hours, my uncle made them stop all medications, she got better quickly and her organs started back working, she got out of hospital a couple days later in fine health. Thank god my uncle spoke up and made them stop before they killed her off.
Similar situation happened with my grandfather. After a surgery he was in intensive care, they were giving him a lot of medication, which started killing him. He was getting worse and worse. My mum spoke up and they stopped, granddad was getting better and eventually discharged from hospital. Then she asked the doctor who was operating him “why did you do a great job to operate him and after successful surgery they wanted to murder him in intensive care”?. The doc said “morgues also have their plans”
Just look at what Fauci did to the HIV patients.....AZT was a repurposed cancer drug that was killing cancer patients by multiple organ failure, so AZT was the AIDS epidemic, a previous project fear that had us all not wanting to be near ppl with HIV
A friend's father back in the eighties had heart failure, and damaged kidneys which affected the drugs he was given. He was quite stable for a long time until they changed his medication. He ended up in the London heart Hospital where the so called experts made him increasingly worse. They telexed his son who was working abroad to come back and see him before he died, and they were withdrawing all medication. The ornery old bugger promptly recovered and lived another decade.
Fifteen years ago my husband was treated for a brain tumour. I knew he would not survive and he was in the final stages, but he was still eating, drinking and conversing with friends and family. The district nurses kept writing in the notes "mouth swabs only given, not able to eat or drink" and put him on a syringe driver of morphine and midazolam. Whilst I thought the morphine might be required (although he didn't complain of any pain) I objected to the midazolam as it kept him unconscious. I eventually, after a lot of arguing, got him taken off that, and he had a few more weeks communicating with us, enjoying the TV radio, music etc. Too many are killed off before their time and it is immoral.
@@user-uq8fi2dm7h ...Sadly, they value money over health, after all there is no money in healthy ppl, only sick ppl, and while profit is put above helping the sick, we will never have true transparency
A moving and poignant case, sensitively understated by Dr. John. That poor couple. A dark day has dawned when relatives have to watch over doctors and nurses to ensure their loved ones aren't offed.
We pursued soldiers who made the wrong, split-second decision in Northern Ireland through the courts on murder charges for decades but apparently you can administer a respiratory suppressant drug to someone suffering from Covid, resulting in their death, and just walk away from it as if nothing had happened.
Well said.
Because that fits in with Govt's age nda....
they killed him, when they were supposed to be looking after him. This is unforgiveable. He died terrified.
My husband also died terrified
@@noramartin96sorry to hear that
@noramartinim sorry.96
Why is nobody taking action against these people.
@@Paragon62 some are but the establishment is complicit.
I was in emergency with sepsis a couple of weeks after an 8 hour abdominal surgery for cancer. I was asked 3 times if I was going to sign a DNR until I yelled “resuscitate the shit out of me.” This was during COVID in Canada.
I believe that unless I ask for a DNR it should not be offered.
Way to go.👍 Thank you for standing up to these bullues
Very good point and I totally agree - DNR should be only on the patient's request. The patient is always in a vulnerable position and, on the other hand, the doctor, as a health professional, is an authority. It is assumed that you should follow doctor's orders, after all you go to a doctor to get a professional medical advise. Should that advise ever be to sign a DNR? In that case you need to somehow go against the medical authority in order to deny it. It shouldn't be that way, we should be able to expect that anything the doctor advises is for our good. It's hard to imagine for me that DNR could be considered beneficial for most of the patients. Unless, of course, they are really 'tired of suffering' which for the vast majority is not the case. It's like the default position switched from 'we will do whatever it takes to save you' to 'we will let you go if you deteriorate beyond certain threshold'. The one who decides where that threshold should be is practically deciding about life and death. It's completely unimaginable how you can put such a decision on a doctor. Doctor should always do whatever is possible to save your life, not deciding if it is still worth it for you or maybe not anymore.
Option of DNR should not even exist
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I think it exists for a reason. For some terminally ill patients resuscitation could mean that although either way they would most likely die, instead of dying peacefully they would get a lot of pain and even injuries at these very last moments. Some people also think that they should just die 'naturally' when their time comes. DNR does not mean anyone is "helping you" to die, it's just sparing you all that pain and dreams when they try to keep you alive at all cost. It also should never mean denying anyone the best standard of care possible, which unfortunately seems sometimes could be interpreted otherwise.
Glad to hear that you're much better!
The restriction of family to care homes and the way government allowed this, it points only one way.
I retired after 35 years as a doctor-primarily hospital based. The DNR decision is to be made by the patient or their designated decision maker. It never mattered if we didn’t agree with the decision. We would indeed begin CPR and code patients even if we knew they had cancer or other terminal illness. It is the patient’s decision
Let me share the shocking fact: my late Mum who suffered brain heamorrhages, Dr in Lewisham hospital told me they signed DNR for her though I had POA and I have no rights to refuse. I was told it is a clinical decision and I and my siblings do not have power to override that
It's time to rename the health care industry to the death care industry for not resuscitating dieing thoughts. I have lost all faith in the entire medical system. Don't go to a hospital anymore if you want to live.
National Homicide Service - ex nurse, expert patient after 24 surgeries, watched them seeing off the elderly, don't feed or give fluids unless someone like me shouts at them! I'm disabled and over 60 - I've no hope
The dis ease system...
Imagine if the drs were that callous during the war where there were terrible injuries?
I have thought that since my teenage years….I’m now 55 and don’t see any hope in our medical system for coming years
Unfortunately some of us don’t have that luxury of not having to go near the medical profession😢
Crimes against humanity
There's only 2 types of people and there's only 2 final destinations:-
Saved and unsaved.
Heaven and Hell.
We choose where we go.
Best regards.
My Mom was a patient in a stateside rehab facility following a fall and surgery requiring a rod be implanted.
Mom was VAXXED TO THE MAX. She even thought if I got sick ((I am the family UNVAXXED NEANDERTHAL), I should be denied medical care..
Mom developed COVID in late March 2022. Afterwards she developed what they referred to as "COVID Pneumonia). Following antibiotics and steroids for the Pneumonia, she was improving.
We were making arrangements in July to try to bring Mom home. Her siblings visited every Thursday so I rarely visited on those days. It was a small room and with 4 visitors could be tiring for her. They said Mom ate well and appeared in good spirits. She was using a nasal canula for her oxygen and doing fine.
Early the next day, we received a call that Mom had a very rough night. It seems, or so they said, Mom had Pneumonia again.
Upon entering her room, Mom was in a hospital gown (something she hadn't worn for over 6 months). Her nasal canula replaced with a face mask. In her bedside chair hanging over the side with no sheets or blankets.
We instantly demanded her vitals taken and I wanted to see when her sat rate started to decline. I, also, demanded a chest xray.
At this time, a nurse gave her Ativan and Morphine. I asked why when her O2 rates were low. The nurse made a comment about "end of life treatment ".
I asked: ARE you saying Mom is dying? Should I call the family and her minister. I also demanded to see her Dr ASAP. I also demanded no more Ativan and Morphine be given until the xray taken, results in and I spoke to her Dr.
After 6 hrs, they finally got the xray ordered. Her O2 rate was greatly improved. Still no Dr. Yet they tried tried again with the Ativan and Morphine which I refused be given.
The staff said we should go grab a bite to eat while the xray taken and still trying to arrange the mtg.
We left after Mom ate some lunch. Her O2 rate was around 90. Not great but a huge improvement from our arrival.
We received a call to say it's Pneumonia. They had changed her antibiotics and added steroids. Also additional breathing treatments .
About 5 miles from the facility, we received a 2d call. It was about 30 minutes after the first one confirming the Pneumonia.
The call was "Your Mom just passed away and hung up ".
Upon arrival, she was completely dressed, in bed. I found out after we left, she received 2 treatments of the Ativan and Morphine.
I think they killed my Mom.
I am so sorry for your loss.
You did what you could
Horrifying!
Yes, it seems like it. They gave her "end of life", against your will.
I'm so sorry.
I'm shocked she believed her own child should be denied medical care.
The irony.
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The hard truth behind the push to silence whistle blowers. They don't want us to know, thankyou Dr John
2 Drs called me as my Dads next of kin to try persuade me,for over an hour,to have him put on a DNR.
I knew my dad's wishes and refused.
I get to hospital later that day to find they forced it on him and told him, he had his first ever heart attack before i got there
This was start of 2020,he paseed 2 months later. RIP Dad
One of many murdered by the NHS
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So sorry for your loss😢RIP to your dad! That is awful!!!
@@sunione1 thankyou x
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This straight up sounds like murder. Premeditated murder.
The people running UK want the natives gone
If it sounds like a duck it is a duck.
What's really frightening is that these doctors and nurses are still out there working and giving this combination or even worse ones. Who do we trust. We really need to do our own studying about these matters and I'm glad Dr. John that you're giving us this insight. Thank you.
My dad came home from hospital with his discharge letter. Dad was reading them next day then he said he apparently signed for DNR .
Dad was so upset as he said he didn't and wanted every last breath .
Dad was alone when this happened and hard of hearing .
Last time he was in hospital he was ready to go home with his discharge letter. Next thing we're called up as he had died .
Will. Never know what took place .
Family all day they killed our dear dad . That took place 3 yrs ago .
Dad would ring me upset saying if you don't get me out he will die there as many were just dying in front of him .
Horrible just horrible 😭
2 Years ago, when I was 76, I was admitted to Kings Mill hospital in Mansfield with Chemo side effects i.e. acute diarrhea and dehydration. The first question was, "do you want a DNR. I told them that if I did they would be the first to know and to F..k off.
Well done.
You were lucky you were askd as most people aren't & it's on their recordsz they do, without them knowin, you know;) Well done for sayin no. Did you have the experimental jabsz;)!?
My brother is a very fit 65 year old working farmer. Last year he broke his leg in tractor accident. 3 Doctors were at his bedside discussing the surgery he needed. Without asking him, or his wife, one of them said in his hearing to put him on a DNR. Fortunately, one Dr. Objected, and it was crossed out.
Gosh, where was that?
Absolutely criminal.
1 murderer among 3..
@@BS-ge4ne Dery City Hospital, UK
Let’s not forget that the NHS were awarded the George cross for their services during the covid mania . The highest award for bravery that can be given when not in the face if the enemy. What an absolute disgrace and insult to those who have been presented the award in genuine circumstances.
My hope is that at some time in the future that this is reviewed and they are publicly stripped of this prestigious award .
You are being so mild.
Have you seen the kings new portrait?
This is murder
59 years old.Dr tried to take out gallstone. Dr closed me and they waited 5 days til they could find a Dr to finish. USA. They treated me torturously because I didn’t have a Covid shot. Husband checked me out against their will. I lived. A major hospital.
Good job he did. You would probably be a statistic by now .. hope your doing well
I am unvaccinated and I went to 4 major hospitals in my state after covid and despite numerous abnormal blood tests I was eventually told that I need to be on ssri's for my abnormal heart rate, despite being diagnosed with a thyroid problem from the very same doctor a few months before.
Thanks for your testimony. How did it go with the gallstone/s? Were you able to treat it at home?
@@Kuutamo73The Dr came back after a 5 day trip, finished it. They put me on mega drugs and my bloodwork tanked. Went home against them. Almost instantly recovered!
To think people clapped for these individuals on the doorstep every Thursday evening. What a betrayal.
When we called it mass formation psychosis the clapping seals laughed and kept clapping. A few of us knew, but we were told to shut up.
I was literally shamed on Facebook because ours was the only house on the street that didn't comply with the shit show on a Thursday night.
Never clapped for this as I viewed a vast majority of medical staff were not being honest about what they were doing. Those who did speak up were being sacked. Those are ones that I would applaud.
@pastandcurrent God yes!!! That pan banging was SO SO creepy!! Like watching zombies. Our house got some awful looks for not joining in, as they banged their pans, I laughed out loud in the back garden for all to hear 😂😂😂
@@perculiar_daughter Yeah we got the looks as well, all my immediate family never wore masks, never had the jabs and didn't fall for their crap, there was no way we were clapping for so many twats dancing, and making tik tok videos, all choreographers, with their mops, must have taken hours to get 12 nurses dancing together, no wonder so many died, they give the empathic workers a bad name
How is this not straight up murder
It is zero humanity!!!
My mother is in a care home in the Uk. Over a year ago she was very upset. She told my daughter that the doctor’s rooms had phoned her repeatedly about having a DNR ….. now my mum, who ran her own district nursing company for years, was distressed at the constant harassment (which it was) and when the rest of the family heard…… we were spitting mad. Our mum is pretty mobile at the age of 97 this year, checks up on the other residents to make sure they’re ok, helps to feed those that need help and keeps a diary everyday. She is incredible. She did try to refuse the 2nd booster onwards but somehow, the residents get lined up in the communal lounge and get injected in a very fast, efficient manner which doesn’t allow anyone time to think, question or object to this rushed process. There seems to be a definite trend towards the elderly and vulnerable which started around 2020 …… and it’s not a good trend!! Hearing this tragic story of a young man battling cancer being intimidated with the “threat” of DNRs and then treated with incorrect medications is abhorrent. I feel terribly sorry for his family for losing him like this. Something is VERY WRONG with the current system.
They're trying to kill off anyone who is retired or considered a drain on the so called system. When I was admitted to the hospital with COVID I left every nurse and doctor know I was still working and contributing just in case. Guess it worked.
The people responsible for these crimes can run but they can't hide forever. Thank you, Dr. John.
They run things. We were told thousands of years ago by a sagacious individual just who rules this world and what we should do.
For the sake of all children we must protect them with every fibre of our being from this malignancy.
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they gave him midazolam to help him sleep when he was fighting covid? they murdered him
Midazolam is used to sedate people who are intubated and on mechanical ventilators in ITU.
@@MRCAGR1and prehospital care was actively prevented to cause people to end up on vents. Even discussion about this was banned
Keep obeying your government and see where it leads you.
I can’t believe I’m living through this nightmare.. we have true evil at play ..
So many people were murdered. 😞
Gave many thousands Midazolam to help them sleep, for ever, Hancock bought a large amount of it from France.
2 year supply used up in 6 months. 26,541 of our elderly died in one month - April 2020 after being discharged from hospital, regardless of why they were in, NHS told to do it. Those that had 'Covid/Flu spread it around the care homes. Hancock threw his 'protective ring' around these homes, so protective that nobody could get in to see what was going on. Still happening in hospitals to the elderly, not given food & fluids, dehydrate in around 5 days.
Not a medication for sleep.
@@JaniceVineyard-kf6wm "sleep"
So terrifying that murder can be carried out by health professionals, endorsed by the state and ignored or defended by our peers. Where do we go from here?!
To Hell in a hand basket
This is so heartbreaking. The fact that I alone know of a few situations like this here in the US, where people didn't survive, is concerning. The fact that I also know another dozen or so that were pressed heavily to sign DNR's in hospital, but never did, is also terrifying. We were basically killing people to reduce the stress on care homes and hospitals. So horrifying and unforgivable!
My mother had a DNR order back in 2007. (USA). We were told she would pass in about 3 days. She had no food, no water etc. it was awful! She lived 10 horrific days! We couldn't change the order she had signed. Graphic warning here: her fingers and toes turned purple, her mouth turned black. And more. I always thought if something happened to me I would want a DNR. There is no way I would put my children through watching my body break down like that. It was hell. I think she would have survived without it. She had had a mild heart attack!
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My son collapsed in his care home and the attending paramedic asked me (by phone) what I wanted him to do as there was a DNR in place. I told him in no uncertain terms to get him to hospital.
My son was admitted to a local hospital and was found to be suffering from malnutrition and dehydration. Two days later he was returned to his care home very much his old self.
He lived a further two years
We had been unable to see my son for some weeks prior to this dreadful situation.
All these cases should be investigated
To my mind these people would have murdered him if not for my insistence
That para.edic did the right thing. Bravo.
So sick and tired of all these crimes against humanity and nothing happening about it. Something similar happened with my mum in 2021, she has COPD, respiratory Doctor spoke to me of palliative care, they gave her morphine and lorazepam and she was out of it.. .i got her out of there and since then she has been as well as can be. She receives 2L of oxygen continious flow but still has quality of life. I believe i saved my mums life.y
You definitely did!
I wish the same had been done for my mum… she died 29/1/2021 within a week of admission for COPD… no visitors allowed (not even my dad who had been her husband for over 60 years!)… they didn’t even have the decency to close her mouth after death, so her nose and jaw were broken as she lay in her coffin. Meanwhile my dad had a stomach bleed within a couple of weeks of her death… the staff kept telling us he was getting better and could go home soon… again no visitors (and the poor love was heartbroken and had no loved ones to comfort him… he watched her funeral on an iPad)… five weeks later he was released and sent home, where he died within two days (on 20/3/2021). My heart is broken and I will never forget what was done to my parents… liars and murderers, every last one of them!
@@kayhutton222 I'm so sorry this has happened. God bless
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Every medical murderer involved with Jamie needs to go to prison for murder.
It’s absolutely disgusting and how many other poor people did they do this to?
This is the first time I have cried at one of your videos, John, and I've religiously watched every one since before lockdowns were even a thing. (I'm a pre-hospital health care professional.) Absolute tragedy this is.
Can’t leave a comment that wouldn’t be full of rage filled obscenities
Thank fk for Scotland. People there don't take no for an answer. Watching them all tell their stories to the world has been therapeutic for many of us living in dictatorships (thinly disguised as democracies)
Absolutely 💯
I can only imagine what they did in the first year when nobody was allowed to visit
Yes, they murdered all those people in hospital & care homes so they are ALL murderers, most MP’s doctors nurses et al, all complicit! What a sick society we do live in! But I don’t understand WHY nobody is objecting or taking action against these murderers? WHY is it just being ‘accepted’? WHY?
midazolam
Despite refusing to accept a DNR, the Dr, not the MDT, at Northumbria hospital informed his wife that the medical team will over ride that choice.
They failed to diagnose shingles, when he was admitted 3 days after his boost. Consequently the untreated shingles entered his brain causing encephalitis, he now has multi organ failure.
They have implemented the DNR and have informed his wife that they would not admit him to ITU for multi organ support.
If his wife isn’t present they do not take the time to feed him or change him.
This is now.
What a horror!
My heart breaks for the families of the murdered that are left behind. I'm certain that hospitals strapped people down, denied them food and drink, denied them access to their families for oversight, and then gave them "end-of-life medication". It's literally criminal.
We must never allow Political interference in the Medical world again
Too late. It’s another very lucrative revenue stream. Political interference will be there forever.
Big pharma is a political entity, they control governments for more profits.
Vote the current governments on federal, provincial/state and municipal levels out. All of them are corrupt by WEF.
The medical world knew they were giving large doses of midazolam and morphine which would ultimately end in death.
They are fkn monstrous, they knew what they were doing
We are.few the masses are not interested I in anything except their own bubble.
This year's election will show the establishment are well.in control.
The more I read in these comments the more my heart breaks thinking about what they did to my husband.The only thing that keeps me going is a determination to fight them
I can second those feelings they murdered my mom...she was a saint and my best friend... I still pray daily for God to allow me to witness his judgement upon the Drs and nurses who killed her.
That is so sad. 😢 This horrible, horrific hospital sounds like it's out of a horror movie. It's a place you need to get up and run out of there even if you're naked. 😮
I went in wuth a kidney infe tion a while ago. Never had one before or since, I was 77. The minute I was given a bed a woman came, pulled the curtains round and asked about dnr. I was out of there the following day with antibiotics, running for my life. Sw England.
Omg sorry to hear tha, thas terrible. Was it your own doctors sent you to hospital or you chose to go there, may I ask;)!? What did she say & what did you respond please;)!? Was it a nurse, what's her name & registration number & have you reportd her to the cqc & bma & gmc;)!?
This should be headline news. The fact it isn't tells people everything we need to know.
Contaminated blood scandal. How many years that take?
People blamed themselves, all sorts. They like money. Takes an army of accomplices cover something that big up
Does
How do our hearts deal with the sickening deaths of all these people,up until now and in our future? I am sitting here in a flood of tears.
We have to all stand together and back politicians like Andrew bridgen if we want justice
My husband was prescribed midazolam as a sleep aid. I was told to continue increasing the dose until he fell asleep. When I told the doctor it was stopping his breathing and I could not monitor him 24 hours by myself he was put into a hospice centre under the understanding they could monitor his breathing as they increased the dosage. He was dead within hours.
MIDALAZAM was never intended as a "SLEEP AID" .
WOW.😢... 😡 I really hope you sued/will sue- that's abhorrent. I'm so sorry... 😢🙏❤️
I'm so sorry for your loss. I heard people had fought to take their family members out of hospitals. They used remdisivir in America to kill our loved ones. It was crimes against humanity they committed . It was all about depopulation to cull the herd. Again I'm so sorry. I've lost all faith in the healthcare industry.
Yeah keep increasing the dose until he fell asleep.
Permanently.
Absolutely disgusting.
Yet they freak out over high dose melatonin 😢
I used to be an NHS building contractor seen and heard all sorts behind the curtain.
My sister was given a DNR at 27 and told she had a year to live at best.
Still here 13 years on from that.
The doctor made a house call to my father in England, and I thought "how great is that?" until I understood that the doctor had a DNR form in hand, and that was the main reason he was there.
A female dr did come for the same thing (DNR) for my late Mum.
I refused and did not see her again!
I know, in the USA, the hospitals were paid tens of thousands of dollars for covid deaths [intubation etc] but would like to know the figures for the UK.
I would like to know if Canada is in on this gig.
Execution by the State without trial
Democide
And we are bombarded on all side about how "Execution by State" is so insane in an effort to 'BLACK BALL" China. Do you think this might be a 'misdirect' to get us to put our attention towards the awful things China 'might' be doing so we aren't paying attention to the Criminal Acts our own Countries are doing?
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There's only 2 types of people and there's only 2 final destinations:-
Saved and unsaved.
Heaven and Hell.
We choose where we go.
Best regards.
Just for being either sick or elderly residents in so called care homes.
Happened before will again. The middle class people just mean there's a sort of movement opposed to the standard cover up
NOW we understand how easily societies behaved the way they did in the early 1940's.
Exactly.
And not only in that era.
Humans kill.
As most of primates do.
For resources.
In this case for...?
Reduction of the populus and safe resources.
Like in the 40's and before forties and decades.
Exactly!! I have been saying this the whole time. Somehow people have a hard time making this connection, but it is so clear to some of us. Everyone was just "following orders "
Ol Adolph happened because before him it was this same open corruption and exploitation, dire times make people choose drastic solutions.
Same financial powers funded both events . Read Antony C Sutton's Wall Street and The Rise of Hitler .
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I'll make sure to second that.
To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he's doing is good... Ideology - that is what gives the devil doing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination. That is the social theory which helps to make his acts seem good instead of bad in his own and others' eyes so that he won't hear reproaches and curses but will receive praise and honours.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
The folk who advocate and use DNR need to sign one themselves.
* Terrified = no sleep.
* No sleep = impaired judgement
* Impaired judgement = "Ok Whatever, I'll sign... just let me sleep".
Soviet interrogation technique.
Come on Scotland✅
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Do Not get into an ambulance or hospital.
Yes, exactly....
CIA/MI6/Nazi technique more like, or maybe they just go straight for the torture?
Disgusting, horrifying, and very sad. Had a similar experience with my mother and father-in-law. I always suspected something was amiss somewhere.
The government managed to save over £60 million in pension funds that year alone, coincident or planning? Who knows!!!
Follow the money. So sorry for your loss.
Harold Shipman did more or less the same thing and he was branded Britains Most Prolific Serial Killer.
Weirdly the protocols for death certificates were improved after Shipman then removed during Convid..
Just temporarily.
Our health care system needs to be changed and corrected. Medazalam use for DNR refusal must be investigated and charges brought to the guilty or ignaorant..
Just so terribly 😢 sad. We do not know what goes on behind closed doors when there's no one family member with the patient at ALL times.
As a former nurse, I just can’t get my head around this. Every single part of the nursing code breached. It’s hard to know what went on from only the perspective of his wife, how awful for her. Truly awful.
What sounds like murder, looks like murder and smells like murder but is described as care…..anything you like when there’s enough money involved…
Everything is the opposite of what they say. Orwell leaked the plan
Semantics.
Spin the facts until they smell like roses instead of murder.
Of course there is. Hospitals got a large payment for each Covid death, big pharma is raking it in with immunity for experimental 'vaccines', and our Prime Miniature himself stuck £500 million into Moderna and is now richer than the King. They are still dong it, and it's coming from government, pensions and benefits are too costly, but there's even more to it than that.
My 93 yo mother went to hospital a few months ago after nodding off on the toilet. She's had congestive heart failure now little over a year. When I arrived at the ER she wasn't sure what happened . About 10 minutes later her attending nurse came back and showed me the computer screen that said she had covid. She had zero symptoms other than tired. Waiting for the ER doctor to release her another nurse came in, walked up to my mother's bedside and asked her to sign a DNR. LUCKILY she didn't hear the nurse. I motioned her out of the room and said 'you better check with my sister who has POA' but that my mother doesn't want a DNR. I really about told her to F>&# right off but later told my sister she better call and issue complaint.
Hell is going to need a greeter to explain to soooo many people that what they did was wrong and that their damnation begins now! 🤷🏼♂️
Some doctors need to lose their licenses
All the ones with a conscience did.