Line Diameter and Why The Label is Misleading
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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Lucky you are using varivas for examples bevaise pretty much all other manufacturers are lying about their diameters. You are basicslly talking about tensile strength, we can hardly nake informed decisions be ause most comoanies are inaccurstely claiming whier diameters and breaking strains. Apart from Vsrivas its almost bot worth thinking about so I stick to varivas when I want quality.
About 98 percent of so called UL anglers in the USA have no clue about line. When I start my videos back up I plan on doing a line video...going in a little different direction. One of my pet peeves is US market lines. Hope you're out finding tons of fish.
Randy, we should make a video foshing together. Find some lake in the middle between us and lets go!
@@ifishcatfish I would watch !
I would watch also! Please include tons of rambling lol
@@alejandroesquivel3252 why do u think i wana go? To catch fish??
@@ifishcatfish not this year Victor…just too much going on. I am planning a full week in 2025 to fish Nickajack, Laurel Hill, and probably Dale Hollow. It will be in mid May to try and get in on the spawn.
2:47 "When i saw SUPERIOR, i thought this is EXACTLY what im lookiing for"
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+10pts for sarcasm
I wonder if the KK line is actually 5 lb test based on the cross section. I wonder how accurate the break rating really is...
It is not very accurate but for casting disrance and sensitivity thinner line will always be better and the breaking strength is additional limitation..
Thank you for your videos can you make one to show us how you spool your thiner line to spinning reels thanks
Thats what I do nowadays after first hand experiencing the benefits of a thinner line. Pay close attention to the line diameter more than the line strength rating
Exactly
Great video I like your analysis! Most people, including myself, wouldn’t think about the volume. While researching fishing line, I learned that a lot of line in the US has incorrectly labeled breaking strength. European and Japanese manufacturers have standards they must follow and have to provide the actual breaking strength of their line but in the US we have no such standards. I’m not an experienced fisher but after researching this I’m curious how many lines have the wrong strength listed and how much diameter and volume effect the strength of a line.
Check these videos out when you get the chance, they have more to show/say about this subject:
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So, the labels are misleading because people don't understand math 😊 the actual difference would be much more intuitive if they listed cross sectional area for sure. I finally stopped using this garbage Berkley Vanish as my leader material after i found better fly tippet thats vastly skinnier for the same strength. The Vanish is fine and caught me plenty of fish, but youre never maximizing your stealth setup using that fat timber for a leader.
Very interesting and eye opening video.
Excellent analysis! Definitely eye opening how much further a lure flies breaking off on a cast - no weight of line to pull, no friction from spool lip or guides, etc.
Thanks David!
The strength is directly proportional to cross section area.
thats right
Another very informative video! I went to a slightly larger diameter line last year. Not because of the fish, but the weeds. Lost WAAAAAY too many BG-1's while trying to de-snag from the weeds after the fish gets me all wrapped up. My cast distance took a hit but oh well
Yeah, casting feom the bank has its own challenges
Opinion please - Orange Varivas Master Ester jumping off presso reel constantly, took a bunch of line off not overfilled as I see it but still continues. Should I continue to shorten line or is this inherent to this particular type, seems stiff. Don't have problem with red or clear varivas same 2.4 type on Vanquish or Certate reels.
this one is stiffer but also most sensitive of all. If it is brand new it might jump the first week. Also, if u put the line on the spool wrong, it will want to jump. But even then.. its once in a while... not every single cast..
Excellent explanation.
Have you ever done a casting comparison?
Im dont know a good way to do casting comparison..
Thank you for the informative video! What diameter and breaking strength braid would you recommend for freshwater UL fishing targeting trout and perch? I have some Berkley Fireline but this is 0.12 mm and 16lb test, therefore presumably not quite apt.
I don't use braid for anything and don't have experience with it, but 0.12 mm seems way too thick. I would use 0.10 the most, but even that is thick for braid for ultralight fishing.
What do you use for leader size when you're using 0.104mm?
Fc sniper 3 lb
Another interesting deep-dive video.
"Back in the days" I would often go rather "safe than sorry" with breaking strength but really there is so much better performance and more fun in fishing thinner lines with lures.
thats right
Do you have a favorite fishing line that's stayed the same for the last few years? An old faithful? Or a brand that you haven't found a bad line from?
I know all of the Varivas lines but i did get a bad spool of line from them once. Sunline is very good. Daiwa and Shimano are reliable but nothing special. My favorite is still Varivas and all my rods have some kind of Varivas
Very informative video. I just spooled up my shimano today with that varivas super trout 3lb. Man what a difference casting the 1g bg1 👍. I also have the 2.5lb im going to try on another reel. Keep the awesome content coming!
small differences go a long way!
Do you have tutorials on how to twitch lures like jig head? Thank you.
No. But i don't believe it matters too much how u twitch it.. Just keep it close to bottom and don't jerk too high on each twitch
The 😺 tried to attack your cursor on the TV screen 😂😂. Thanks for sharing. I landed a 28" carp a couple weeks ago on 2 pound trout magnet SOS , that line has been really easy to work with. What do you recommend for a 2 pound mono? I have went back and forth on trying ester line but I think since I mostly fish after working all night that I would get frustrated with it
I recommend start reading the diameter in mm and pick one that is thin and affordable. Whatever the name!
Always love your no bs explanations
Thank u!
Hey Victor, great stuff!
Though i have some thoughts. Regarding the water drag, the contact between the line and the water should depend on the surface area of the line and thus the circumference. This means that the water drag is directly proportional to the line diameter (linear relationship).
Please correct me if i am wrong!
Well, technically u r right, its proportional for circumference but the message is still the same because the difference is magnified when u make a circle from a straight line. Its just rhat in one case its magnified proportionally and i. The other its to the power of two
Good as always! Did you make a video about how to fish with 2 lbs line already, or is it scheduled next?
Im not ready for that video :)
Thank you for making this video It was great for me personally really helps me out alot.
Thank for the kind comment buddy!
I think that you would enjoy a channel called "The Line Laboratory". They have a great setup to test and verify the manufacturer reported specs, as well as things like shape of line. Surprisingly, most of the lines they test aren't circular.
i know that channel but after 3 lines it gets kind of repetitive. Also, my favorite lines are Ester, which are absolutely horrible in terms of strength, and i have told u guys all about that, and i still fish nothing else. There is stuff other than strength...
@@ifishcatfish oh yeah, it isn't exactly riveting content! I mainly admire the rigorous approach they take and find it particularly useful when shopping for braid.
@@kylem1819 i do admire that as well! We do need some of these, to take opinions out of this. Its just that at this age i like what i like.. and as long as it is strong enough, i am still OK : )
Hello victor, I really enjoy your educational videos. It would be great if you can explain what the lettering on reels mean for example Shimano vanquish 1000ssspgs, c2000s or c2000shg, ci4, or Daiwa sf, sp, lt etc.
this is available on the shimano website, but i get this question every now and then and maybe i will make one video..
I landed a 32lbs asian carp below the Red Rock dam in Pella, IA with a 6lbs mono line. It took almost 30 minutes, I traveled about 75yds along the rocky banks down the river but he tired out before I did. The net used to land him bent at the handle, the jig with a Mister Twister that hooked him on the lips was bent so bad I'm surprised he didn't get off. I'm more surprised he took the jig because I thought asian carps were vegetarians or ate plankton. Just sharing to say that part of the fun of fishing is the fight to land the fish.
of course.
Interesting analysis ❤
What is difference nylon and polyester line. What is better in terms of less memory and good breaking strength in the varivas line in 12-15 lb range?
Nylon is more reliable. Polyester is plastic. Thats why it only goes up to 4 lb in strengh... if u make it too think it is too stiff and plasticky... The only good application is Ultralight fishing where extreme sensitivity is required. It is the most sensitive line in the world.
2lb Vanish is .006in or .15mm. 110 yards was like $6.00. Low stretch and casts great! Knock on it in reviews is breaking strength and easily gets nicked on sharp rocks etc. I’ve loved it on casting reels, it never backlashes. Floating soft plastic allows me to throw a heavier lead head which casts further, but doesn’t drop to the bottom so fast. I wonder if you see that difference between trout magnet and Z-man creature baits cast on same jig head, same line.
Yeah but look at the numbers on the screen of this video. These are real numbers from real lines.. 0.15 is way too much for 2 lb
great and educational video, thanks for that. by the way, I much prefer monofilaments, but at sea you still need something stronger, which is braid. it really annoys me when I have to connect the braid with mono/FC in the dark, but what's there is. I use daiwa J braid 0.06 mm and I'm satisfied, I think it's the best buy under 20 euros.
i used that braid myself - its really good. But for my small fish it is not necessary and i don't want to mess with it..
40% is nothing 😢😢😢
do you use braid or just stick with mono/ester/floro ? not familiar with freshwater from what you fish most
I never use braid but there is nothing wrong woth it. I just dont like how it feels..
@@ifishcatfish I see .. I like it but then again I only fish saltwater.. I do like using 1.7 to 4 pound mono/ floro/ Ester.. and I agree it's so much satisfying landing bigger fish on thinner line, you actually have more fun fighting the fish and the reward of landing it.. it's not fun just wrenching in a fish, let the rod, reel and line do it's job and enjoy the battle and hear your reel screaming and a nice bend on the rod.. we fish to have fun 🎣
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Always learning. Thank you!
thanks for dropping a comment! I thought nobody saw this video
@@ifishcatfish I always see your videos. I don’t do the kind of fresh water fishing that you do, but your videos are engaging. The way you explain things, the details that you explain. Also you speak slowly giving the correct emphases at the right time. I love fishing and therefor I love your videos.
Greetings from Portugal.
@@pedrinho32286 gracias senior Pedrinho!
Great stuff!
Thank u!
May I say that Z-man plastic, which floats, rectifies the issue of weight to a degree because it offsets the lead head and allows me to cast farther….. you get it. Good insight. Btw,, Why does Vanish get a bad rap? I love it
Well if u compare two lines u should at least assume everything else is the same. If u use the same lures the line weight will make a difference. Ive never used vanish but tell me what is the diameter of the 4 lb?
@@ifishcatfishVictor just looked it up Berkley Vanish 4Lb test 0.17 mm! Don’t use this brand but found info! Thanks for the video!
@@davidrauschenbach6871 thanks D. Interesting.. : )