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As usual Sir you have produced a masterpiece.Your analysis of Holmes vs Cooney was spot on. Larry Holmes's greatness was absolutely illustrated---his ATG jab,his blazing hand speed,his immense toughness ( recovering from low blows from a monster puncher like Cooney),and mental toughness overcoming the toxic bigotry surrounding this fight. As for Cooney,if one can forget the 'white-hope ' garbage attached to Gerry (as you say Cooney himself wanted no part of this rubbish ) he was damned good.Cooney could well be the most brutal body-puncher in heavyweight history.It was a great fight. Your video spotlighted four men who so very easily could have attained ATG status if they had been more dedicated.Pinklon Thomas,Michael Dokes,Greg Page and Tim Witherspoon. I'm so looking forward to 1983.
@@boxingpedia Your style of delivery is exemplary, you're respect for the fighters comes across as genuinely sincere. Plus you talk about the Rocky films. PS Rocky 5 is actually a very good (but badly edited) film with a very poor 90s rap soundtrack.
@Troll Goodman thank you sir and YES. Rocky V gets a horrible rep; have you seen the workprint of the film? A noticeable improvement over the theatrical cut. There's a video on here called "Why Rocky V ain't that bad" and it changed my perspective on the film. I'll link it if I find it so watch out for the edited comment. Here it is: ua-cam.com/video/bw_ITk7rCdo/v-deo.html
Hey, man, the piece of this on ROCKY III got me thinking. Have you ever thought about doing a video on how Apollo Creed fit into the 1970s heavyweight scene? That is, what if we assume that all of the real life heavyweight greats of the 70s were active in the Rocky timeline? Because Creed is like 40-0 with a 100% KO rate inRocky I and is the “undisputed” champ who has cleaned out the division, Creed apparently fought and knocked out EVERYONE before Rocky: Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton. So I’m curious how that goes down in your view. In what order did Creed take those guys down? Which one(s) did Creed win titles from and when? Did Creed’s presence supplant iconic fights like the Rumble in the Jungle and the Thrilla in Manila, or did those fights happen, too in this timeline. In real life we had the interesting rock-paper-scissors dynamic of Ali, Frazier and Foreman, but in the Rocky verse I think Creed overwhelmed them all with knockouts making himself the baddest man of the era, bar none. You could also try to imagine the same thing for Rocky’s title defenses after Rocky II, except that the montage in the beginning of Rocky III reveals Rocky’s title defenses before Clubber to be against a a series of fictional dudes.
YES I have actually! It's gonna be one of the WHAT IFs down the line! The video game Rocky Legends dives into Apollo's career pre-Rocky a good deal so that may be of some influence. I'm definitely gonna put Apollo in both the 60s and 70s (game says he debuted somewhere in the 60s). Then Rocky right after in the 80s (his will fit well enough, the 80s was packed with guys playing hot potato over the WBA belt). Only thing with Rocky is he'll prolly have go dethrone Holmes early and banish him. Then Tyson ends up being "Clubber". I could talk about this all day! Apollo is like a fusion of Ali and Foreman. Speed AND power is so unfair. How he takes down those 70s greats should make for a helluva video. Gotta include this screenshot, it'll be dedicated to you 🙏🏾
@Russell williams used to feel the same way about Larry until I looked into him more. Took me some time but I've really come around to the Easton Assassin.
Good video! I’ll have to look more at the Holmes Cooney fight. I remember seeing it at a friend’s house on satellite (so I thought) but it was an hbo event so I’m not sure now. Cooney seemed to only have one arm and one punch, the left hook. That guy turned out to be a chump. Lots of tune up fights with bums padding their records back then
Nice to have you good sir! I can only imagine the atmosphere around the country enroute to Holmes/Cooney. Just uploaded the full timeline of the 1980s, I hope you enjoy.
Great stuff as always. Glad to see Cooney get some credit for what certainly was an underrated performance against Holmes, had Cooney stuck around and kept his focus on boxing for the following few years he probably could've picked up a title somewhere along the line (Most likely the WBA belt) But unfortunately he sits on the list of best HWs who never held the title alongside fighters like Quarry and Shavers. Although looking back it may have been for the best considering all the weird racial tension surrounding the fight even though Gerry was not to blame for all that. Keep up the good work
His mind took the real beating it seems. Couldve definitely been WBA champ; I wish the Weaver fight went through. Wouldve been a great test for Gerry regardless of winning or losing. If he won that, The Pride and the Glory could've very well been a unification affair! We'll never know tho, good to see you as always champ!
Renaldo Snipes controversially drawed with undefeated Scott Frank, and lost to Tim Witherspoon by a close majority decision, and beat Trevor Berbick by a unanimous decision, knocking Berbick down in the 1st round with the same right hand he knocked Holmes down with, all 3 fights happening in 1982
70s and 90s are up already in their full forms, but I'll be giving them this particular treatment when I'm done with the 80s. I've got to revise the 70s and 90s timelines due to copyright and its been eating away at me for a while now. I'll link you to the 70s and 90s docs. 70s: ua-cam.com/video/QddxezDPlrQ/v-deo.html 90s: ua-cam.com/video/e64A7YALwr4/v-deo.html
At the time of the Holmes v Cooney fight there was a story going around that President Reagan had called Gerry Cooney to wish him, "good luck" but had snubbed the champion Holmes. Does anyone else remember this, or know if it's true?
True story. That was confirmed in the ABC broadcast of the fight. Reagan had an open line set up in Cooney's dressing room ONLY. The purse split was 50/50 and Cooney was on magazine covers not the 4 year reigning champion. The 🍒 on top was when the champion was announced Before the challenger. All this for Gerry Cooney?!?! Try to convince me race had nothing to do with it
Holmes had no phone connection to the president ,but Cooney was supplied with one to Reagan ,thus the story is highly possible Reagan gave Cooney his blessings . Holmes tactically dominated Cooney for large portions of the bout ,but corrupt scoring nurtured a false narrative it was close despite Cooney being knocked down , having points deducted for low blows and being completely subpar tactically inthe bout . The narrator also claims Holmes wasn't the same after the Cooney bout ,a false perception ,he obliterated Randall Tex Cobb and succeeded at making several more title defenses . Larry Holmes even when he's hailed in respect has to endure innacurrate subtle attacks of his career assessments . Heck the great white hope Rocky movies gets more respect then Holmes .
@jamie M don't worry too, I'll upload the "Champion's Edition" where it will be STRICTLY the title bouts of the 80s. No filler bouts, no movies, just ASS WOOPINs!
Holmes had the best heavyweight jab ever. His 48-0 start was the 2nd best ever by a heavyweight. Almost as many title defenses as Joe Louis, who had the belt for 12 years. How is that not a top 5 all time heavyweight
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You have no idea how much you do for my mental and psychy 💚
@@boxingpedia youtube notis being racist af. BUT IN SAYING THAT... Ditto
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As usual Sir you have produced a masterpiece.Your analysis of Holmes vs Cooney was spot on.
Larry Holmes's greatness was absolutely illustrated---his ATG jab,his blazing hand speed,his immense toughness ( recovering from low blows from a monster puncher like Cooney),and mental toughness overcoming the toxic bigotry surrounding this fight.
As for Cooney,if one can forget the 'white-hope ' garbage attached to Gerry (as you say Cooney himself wanted no part of this rubbish ) he was damned good.Cooney could well be the most brutal body-puncher in heavyweight history.It was a great fight.
Your video spotlighted four men who so very easily could have attained ATG status if they had been more dedicated.Pinklon Thomas,Michael Dokes,Greg Page and Tim Witherspoon.
I'm so looking forward to 1983.
Love your stuff, no bs, just solid boxing and your own unique style of presentation. Keep 'em coming :)
I just love these vids. brilliant editing and presentation 👌
Thank you for sticking around champ!
@@boxingpedia Your style of delivery is exemplary, you're respect for the fighters comes across as genuinely sincere.
Plus you talk about the Rocky films.
PS Rocky 5 is actually a very good (but badly edited) film with a very poor 90s rap soundtrack.
@Troll Goodman thank you sir and YES. Rocky V gets a horrible rep; have you seen the workprint of the film? A noticeable improvement over the theatrical cut. There's a video on here called "Why Rocky V ain't that bad" and it changed my perspective on the film. I'll link it if I find it so watch out for the edited comment.
Here it is:
ua-cam.com/video/bw_ITk7rCdo/v-deo.html
Hey, man, the piece of this on ROCKY III got me thinking. Have you ever thought about doing a video on how Apollo Creed fit into the 1970s heavyweight scene? That is, what if we assume that all of the real life heavyweight greats of the 70s were active in the Rocky timeline? Because Creed is like 40-0 with a 100% KO rate inRocky I and is the “undisputed” champ who has cleaned out the division, Creed apparently fought and knocked out EVERYONE before Rocky: Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton. So I’m curious how that goes down in your view. In what order did Creed take those guys down? Which one(s) did Creed win titles from and when? Did Creed’s presence supplant iconic fights like the Rumble in the Jungle and the Thrilla in Manila, or did those fights happen, too in this timeline. In real life we had the interesting rock-paper-scissors dynamic of Ali, Frazier and Foreman, but in the Rocky verse I think Creed overwhelmed them all with knockouts making himself the baddest man of the era, bar none.
You could also try to imagine the same thing for Rocky’s title defenses after Rocky II, except that the montage in the beginning of Rocky III reveals Rocky’s title defenses before Clubber to be against a a series of fictional dudes.
APOLLO'S RECORD BEFORE FACING BALBOA: 45-0, 45 KO's....
YES I have actually! It's gonna be one of the WHAT IFs down the line! The video game Rocky Legends dives into Apollo's career pre-Rocky a good deal so that may be of some influence. I'm definitely gonna put Apollo in both the 60s and 70s (game says he debuted somewhere in the 60s). Then Rocky right after in the 80s (his will fit well enough, the 80s was packed with guys playing hot potato over the WBA belt). Only thing with Rocky is he'll prolly have go dethrone Holmes early and banish him. Then Tyson ends up being "Clubber".
I could talk about this all day! Apollo is like a fusion of Ali and Foreman. Speed AND power is so unfair. How he takes down those 70s greats should make for a helluva video. Gotta include this screenshot, it'll be dedicated to you 🙏🏾
@@boxingpedia I can’t wait to see that!
I think I read online that Rocky had about 40 wins and 20 losses on his record before he fought Apollo that first time.😂
Great Idea 💡
I’ve loved this channel since I found it keep up the excellent work my man
Thank you champ! 1983 is halfway done! Holmes/Witherspoon is in that bad boy 👀
@@boxingpedia man I can’t wait ! I’m not the biggest Holmes fan because of how he butchered Ali but the man deserves more recognition
@Russell williams used to feel the same way about Larry until I looked into him more. Took me some time but I've really come around to the Easton Assassin.
Great content man, you deserve more views. 👏🏻
In due time, looking to earn everything 😎
Gerrie Coetzee with his, "bionic hand". 😂
Awesome!
Good video! I’ll have to look more at the Holmes Cooney fight. I remember seeing it at a friend’s house on satellite (so I thought) but it was an hbo event so I’m not sure now. Cooney seemed to only have one arm and one punch, the left hook. That guy turned out to be a chump. Lots of tune up fights with bums padding their records back then
Nice to have you good sir! I can only imagine the atmosphere around the country enroute to Holmes/Cooney. Just uploaded the full timeline of the 1980s, I hope you enjoy.
The superfight between Holmes and Cooney was crazy
Lived up to the expectations!
@@boxingpedia It really did would have love to hear about how Earnie Shavers auditioned as Clubber Lang but still fantastic video can't wait for 1983!
@@jeffreythepig769 Earnie almost killed Sly!
Great stuff as always. Glad to see Cooney get some credit for what certainly was an underrated performance against Holmes, had Cooney stuck around and kept his focus on boxing for the following few years he probably could've picked up a title somewhere along the line (Most likely the WBA belt) But unfortunately he sits on the list of best HWs who never held the title alongside fighters like Quarry and Shavers. Although looking back it may have been for the best considering all the weird racial tension surrounding the fight even though Gerry was not to blame for all that. Keep up the good work
His mind took the real beating it seems. Couldve definitely been WBA champ; I wish the Weaver fight went through. Wouldve been a great test for Gerry regardless of winning or losing. If he won that, The Pride and the Glory could've very well been a unification affair! We'll never know tho, good to see you as always champ!
His name is Scott LeDoux, pronounced Le Doo
Renaldo Snipes controversially drawed with undefeated Scott Frank, and lost to Tim Witherspoon by a close majority decision, and beat Trevor Berbick by a unanimous decision, knocking Berbick down in the 1st round with the same right hand he knocked Holmes down with, all 3 fights happening in 1982
Great job. Look forward to these videos. Any interest in doing the same for the 1970's & 1990's?
70s and 90s are up already in their full forms, but I'll be giving them this particular treatment when I'm done with the 80s. I've got to revise the 70s and 90s timelines due to copyright and its been eating away at me for a while now. I'll link you to the 70s and 90s docs.
70s: ua-cam.com/video/QddxezDPlrQ/v-deo.html
90s: ua-cam.com/video/e64A7YALwr4/v-deo.html
Yessir another one
Hell yeah! Nutha one coming soon too 👀
Michael Dokes was a Don King fighter at the time. Had to do a lot with that ridiculous stoppage. The 2nd fight was even worse
At the time of the Holmes v Cooney fight there was a story going around that President Reagan had called Gerry Cooney to wish him, "good luck" but had snubbed the champion Holmes. Does anyone else remember this, or know if it's true?
I've heard of the phone line for his potential victory, but not this one! Wonder if it's true 👀
I get the feeling it's an urban myth
@@trollgoodman7808
Yeah, I kind of have that impression too.
True story. That was confirmed in the ABC broadcast of the fight. Reagan had an open line set up in Cooney's dressing room ONLY. The purse split was 50/50 and Cooney was on magazine covers not the 4 year reigning champion. The 🍒 on top was when the champion was announced Before the challenger. All this for Gerry Cooney?!?! Try to convince me race had nothing to do with it
Holmes had no phone connection to the president ,but Cooney was supplied with one to Reagan ,thus the story is highly possible Reagan gave Cooney his blessings . Holmes tactically dominated Cooney for large portions of the bout ,but corrupt scoring nurtured a false narrative it was close despite Cooney being knocked down , having points deducted for low blows and being completely subpar tactically inthe bout . The narrator also claims Holmes wasn't the same after the Cooney bout ,a false perception ,he obliterated Randall Tex Cobb and succeeded at making several more title defenses . Larry Holmes even when he's hailed in respect has to endure innacurrate subtle attacks of his career assessments . Heck the great white hope Rocky movies gets more respect then Holmes .
I do enjoy your vids and timelines but maybe just a bit too much on the movie stuff here,,,,
I should warn you then that Rocky IV will be a hunk too when we get to 1985 👀
@@boxingpedia Ha ha, okay fair enough, I’ll strap in for some serious Ivan Drago lol
@jamie M don't worry too, I'll upload the "Champion's Edition" where it will be STRICTLY the title bouts of the 80s. No filler bouts, no movies, just ASS WOOPINs!
@@boxingpedia cool stuff !
That was Shavers who Stallone had audition for Rocky III. Stallone wanted Norton for Apollo Creed but Norton turned it down
The cooney-holmes buildup was so distasteful.
forget rocky and talk real boxing.
Cosell was a homer and was far from the greatest
Rocky 3 was awful..
The first two were great
Holmes top 5?????
Hmmmmm,.... No
Holmes had the best heavyweight jab ever. His 48-0 start was the 2nd best ever by a heavyweight. Almost as many title defenses as Joe Louis, who had the belt for 12 years. How is that not a top 5 all time heavyweight
Thank you.