- WiFi + Bluetooth - Onboard antenna - Battery charging - USB-C - Handful of GPIO - Castellated pads - Affordable - Smol I've been looking for this exact thing for so long and thought I was crazy when I couldn't find a good solution. Thank you Carl!!
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as student major in EE, i can confirm that srinking a controller board to the absolute smollest while still keeping many features is not only impressive but it's the most cutest thing i've seen i'm currently geeking out rn
This is almost exactly what I was looking for (a small ESP32 board with battery circuitry and an IMU in a tiny package). The only missing thing would be ZigBee instead of power-hungry WiFi. Please cosider selling a ESP32-C6 and/or ESP32-H2 equiped version. They should both work as drop-in replacements for the ESP32-C3 without requiring any change to the PCB whatsoever. It could even be an option on the website like the IMU is.
@@WhatsTheWordBozo Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe they have BGA-like pads to solder under the module itself, instead of just castellated contacts on the edges. If that's the case, it would be way beyond what my soldering skills and equipment are capable of 😅
@@qdaniele97 But then they wouldn't be drop-in replacements! BGAs and other SMCs can in theory / in a pinch be done in a household convection oven like the one used for turkeys on thanksgiving (not to be confised with a microwave, haha). Just be double super extra sure everything is lead-free etc esp the solder paste.
You have no idea how many of these are going to sell. I've seen so many mini RC tutorials around that have 500 steps and parts/tools. This is a game changer
2 weeks ago I bought a bag of 20 ESP32 C3 Super Mini for less than $15 total, shipping included. I hate to not support creators because you did put a ton of work into it and I can see it in the final product. But I apologize, for throwing a ton of sensors around the house with ESPHome, I'm sticking with these little guys. Much love though, your projects are always top notch 100% amazing, keep at it!!
You should really put in your video that you can save up to 45$ in shipping by not adding on the battery. I took it off and it dropped the price from 90$ to 40$ which turns the product from kind of stressing pricing to actually very reasonable for a research device. If I buy a lipo locally on amazon I can get like 20 of them for that markup.
This looks perfect for a DIY motion suit, I wanted to design a board like this for ages, 30eur per board is pretty good considering how feature packed it is, data could be streamed & synchronized over ESP-NOW. Awesome!
So well done! Having followed your channel for a while now, I can be confident that this board is well-designed. By the looks of it you've already prepared super nice examples for it too. That's an easy buy. Congrats, hope this does well for you.
I wish you could've squeezed some motor drivers or just mosfets on there for direct motor drive. (4 mosfets and you would've had yourself a mini drone!)
Hey Carl. Im the same Seth that hit you up a while ago about using drivecells in my small robotics project. Thanks for responding and talking with me. The new drive cell library is much better.
I literally had this same exact board (bit larger same BNO08X sensor) ready for pcbway and i come across this video. Unbelievable, i bought 3 can't wait to get them.
How didn't i see this in these 2 weeks? I needed a small, compact, battery powered board with motion sensing capabilities, it's insane how much stuff is packaged in here!
OMG, cries in poor :), I was able to buy one, but it ended up being 60€ in total, whyyyyy am I so poor :) Edit: you still deserve 6 stars for this crazy project +1 Edit2: I just bought one with giro, I have no self control eheheh
unfortunately to ship the battery we can only use fedex box, which i agree is a bit expensive.. but is necessary to ship LiPos.. All other options can ship with international post and also include a wire to use your own battery :)
This seems like the ideal project for active embedded components, maybe worth getting in touch with someone like Wurth Elektonik who has a lot of experience in this, they may be up for a collaboration
So much features in this tiny volume, you did a really nice job Carl ! Even took the time to do a pretty nice animation for the intro ! What did you used ? Blender ?
This could also be interesting for SlimeVR Body Tracking since it supports the ESP32-C3 and the BNO085. However i could not find the shematic so i don't know if the wireing would work with the default firmware. UPDATE: I just saw that the pins can now be configured in the SlimeVR Firmware tool. So it should work.
I would be very interested to see any robot kits you start selling with these. I just bought a 3-pack of the XIAO ESP32S3 boards from Seeed Studio for my latest project. I was aware of the need for the external antenna and am just hoping it isn't strictly necessary when my controls will be so close to the board if I even go with external controls. But this looks like a great alternative if that doesn't prove to be the case. Thank you for taking the time to create and share it.
Makers tend to forget that they use **development** boards in their final designs. You didn't "design another one" you just integrated the MCU in your custom design. As you're supposed to do.
wonderful project! if you rotate the c port 90 degrees and make it exit like the battery connector? this would increase the thickness but give you more space on the board. Another thing I thought of was putting a small piece of flat cable so that the c port could be rotated
I think this is exactly what many were looking for. I will take some. However another downside of the USB C port location is that it might be a bit inconvenient to make it accessible when printing a case with a 3d printer
so far i've built multiple cases for different projects and i have to agree.. but it a small inconvenience considering what it packs in such a small area..some clever 3d design can also make it easier for the usb connector to be more accessible through the housing
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thanks! that's the only missing thing on it! its not bad but the onboard addressable led isn't sleep current friendly - its impossible to fit but if there's space i'm going to try and add for v2 if it ever gets there 🙃
The XIAO ESP32C6 is the same size as the C3 and has an internal antenna in addition to a connection for an external one. And it has zigbee, which could be convenient for power usage.
Very cool! But I still say that you really need to design a Cozmo that has a brain. I so much want to have a small robot that can roam around the house indexing new items and even be able to take small items back to its' home base.
This seems pretty interesting as a SlimeVR tracking puck! Unfortunately the ESP32 isn't efficient enough to work off a small battery, but if this used an nRF52840 instead it could use the experimental SmolSlime firmware and last weeks! (although the nRF doesn't have wifi, it has BT, Thread, NFC, and more) The BNO085 is the same IMU used in the official SlimeVR design, but now the cheaper LSM6dso or LSM6dsv (dsv is the newest) are becoming new favorites. They're much more power efficient and apparently about as accurate if not better. They don't have magnetometers, but usually the BNO085's isn't used by the Slime software anyways
I like external antenna because then i can place electronics on alu or steel sheet if need be and don't need to worry about occlusion/detuning so much, more flexibility. USB cable only a little attenuation because the metallisation is barely a couple millimetres across, which is a lot less than 29mm.
i like that you went with an ESP32, BUT i don't love the C3. The S3 is a real successor to the original ESP32, whereas the C# series come closer to an ESP8266 IMO. Still a decent MCU though
Looks amazing, as all of your projects. I am just worried that the PCB antenna might behave poorly. ( esp32 has a very small range when connecting to other ESP with PCB antenna.)
Great work as always. What about cutting the PCB antenna and soldering it in vertical? I don't know if it invalidates the FCC compliancy (probably yes), but it will make the size smaller, solve the connected usb port issue and also be high a little more of the usb port itself. 🙂
Thank you Carl for this great content once again ! I would like to drop a question because I'm kind of curious here. How do you make a living ? Is this channel a hobby project or main job ? Regards, kyf
As someone who designs and measures antennas, the problem is not that the cable is shielded or not. The problem is that those antennas are designed while assuming that underneath them is free space, if you introduce an object (obviously metallic objects are worse) in the antenna's near-field, you change it's S11 (reflection coefficient) and radiation pattern, and it's efficiency *MIGHT* drop, since more power is reflected back to the source. I say might because the response is actually unpredictable, even I designing antennas for a living don't exactly know what might happen when certain objects are placed. RF is black magic after all. However, as you tested, the antenna seems to be responding quite well to the USB-C cable so... fair game! Good job though!
Would it still be a problem when the cable isn't plugged in, just because of the socket? Because otherwise, it seems pretty reasonable to not use wireless _while_ it is plugged into USB.
@@jimjjewett It depends on where the socket is placed, rule of thumb you try to follow the "Antenna cutout" most datasheets include and not place anything beneath it which, as you can see at 5:28, he followed pretty well, so the socket such cause little to no problems. It also helped that he used a thicker substrate on the bottom, keeping the socket further away from the antenna. Usually the problems you see is just a loss of efficiency and the antenna still works at those frequencies, just a little worse (unless you really ignore the cutout and just place whatever you want underneath it).
Pro tip: Most of the ESP boards allow you to reset the chip and put it into boot mode via the serial(by putting the RST line high, if I recall). esp-tool does this if supported!
I cant glue the board on the 3d printer because there is antenna. So there is some space between the 3d printed wall and the usb c. Can u move the antenna to the opposite side? Sorry for the entlish
Why would the shielding not affect the signal propagation? Its basically a grounded metal plane which should have a huge impact on signal propagation. Cool project though.
- WiFi + Bluetooth
- Onboard antenna
- Battery charging
- USB-C
- Handful of GPIO
- Castellated pads
- Affordable
- Smol
I've been looking for this exact thing for so long and thought I was crazy when I couldn't find a good solution. Thank you Carl!!
It is always a pleasure for us to be a part of your great idea!😊
I've only ordered a few PCBs from you guys over the years, but I really appreciate you sponsoring makers :)
Whenever I need a PCB, you guys are my go-to company to order from!
@@joeblow229Pleasure to hear that
as student major in EE, i can confirm that srinking a controller board to the absolute smollest while still keeping many features is not only impressive but it's the most cutest thing i've seen
i'm currently geeking out rn
Carl, your inventiveness and innovation never ceases to amaze me. Keep up the great work
This is almost exactly what I was looking for (a small ESP32 board with battery circuitry and an IMU in a tiny package). The only missing thing would be ZigBee instead of power-hungry WiFi.
Please cosider selling a ESP32-C6 and/or ESP32-H2 equiped version. They should both work as drop-in replacements for the ESP32-C3 without requiring any change to the PCB whatsoever.
It could even be an option on the website like the IMU is.
If WiFi is not an option for you, there is still BLE and ESPNow on board 🎉
Worst case scenario you can buy it and attach a C6 yourself. The cost for that is negligible
@@WhatsTheWordBozo Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe they have BGA-like pads to solder under the module itself, instead of just castellated contacts on the edges.
If that's the case, it would be way beyond what my soldering skills and equipment are capable of 😅
@@qdaniele97 But then they wouldn't be drop-in replacements!
BGAs and other SMCs can in theory / in a pinch be done in a household convection oven like the one used for turkeys on thanksgiving (not to be confised with a microwave, haha). Just be double super extra sure everything is lead-free etc esp the solder paste.
@@AlexKarasev it would still be a drop-in replacement, just means it's a lot easier for the manufacturer to do the 'dropping'
You have no idea how many of these are going to sell. I've seen so many mini RC tutorials around that have 500 steps and parts/tools. This is a game changer
Thank you so much for the feedback 🙂 I m glad you liked it!
2 weeks ago I bought a bag of 20 ESP32 C3 Super Mini for less than $15 total, shipping included. I hate to not support creators because you did put a ton of work into it and I can see it in the final product. But I apologize, for throwing a ton of sensors around the house with ESPHome, I'm sticking with these little guys. Much love though, your projects are always top notch 100% amazing, keep at it!!
You should really put in your video that you can save up to 45$ in shipping by not adding on the battery. I took it off and it dropped the price from 90$ to 40$ which turns the product from kind of stressing pricing to actually very reasonable for a research device. If I buy a lipo locally on amazon I can get like 20 of them for that markup.
Carl, everything you do is gold
thanks! glad you liked it! :)
This is great, the fun side effect is that you have made a slime tracker board as well. Slime tracker is a vr full body tracker using the bno085 imus
This looks perfect for a DIY motion suit, I wanted to design a board like this for ages, 30eur per board is pretty good considering how feature packed it is, data could be streamed & synchronized over ESP-NOW. Awesome!
If you glue enough of them on a silicone mask it could be used for facial expression tracking, too ;)
I have been looking for exactly this (non-IMU and IMU version) for ages! I will undoubtedly be buying more of them in the future
So well done! Having followed your channel for a while now, I can be confident that this board is well-designed. By the looks of it you've already prepared super nice examples for it too. That's an easy buy. Congrats, hope this does well for you.
I wish you could've squeezed some motor drivers or just mosfets on there for direct motor drive. (4 mosfets and you would've had yourself a mini drone!)
Hey Carl. Im the same Seth that hit you up a while ago about using drivecells in my small robotics project. Thanks for responding and talking with me. The new drive cell library is much better.
I literally had this same exact board (bit larger same BNO08X sensor) ready for pcbway and i come across this video. Unbelievable, i bought 3 can't wait to get them.
This looks amazing. I love that you make a version without the IMU available for half the price. Great work.
How didn't i see this in these 2 weeks? I needed a small, compact, battery powered board with motion sensing capabilities, it's insane how much stuff is packaged in here!
Your ability to cramp so much function in such a small form factor is crazy
OMG, cries in poor :), I was able to buy one, but it ended up being 60€ in total, whyyyyy am I so poor :)
Edit: you still deserve 6 stars for this crazy project +1
Edit2: I just bought one with giro, I have no self control eheheh
unfortunately to ship the battery we can only use fedex box, which i agree is a bit expensive.. but is necessary to ship LiPos.. All other options can ship with international post and also include a wire to use your own battery :)
@@CarlBugeja no worry, totally worth it +1
That little remote car looks really cool
This is a super cool project, thanks for sharing and making it a product available to us!
A pin matched board with a bldc driver and magnetic encoder would be very very cool.
04:25 Not just common and safe, it's actually the recommended way to go.
This seems like the ideal project for active embedded components, maybe worth getting in touch with someone like Wurth Elektonik who has a lot of experience in this, they may be up for a collaboration
The store looks great! Quality content as always, looking forward to the next video.
This is really cool :) it would be awesome to see a version with express lrs as a control link since the range is so much greater as well 🙂
So much features in this tiny volume, you did a really nice job Carl !
Even took the time to do a pretty nice animation for the intro ! What did you used ? Blender ?
You could stack capacitors if you need more
This could also be interesting for SlimeVR Body Tracking since it supports the ESP32-C3 and the BNO085.
However i could not find the shematic so i don't know if the wireing would work with the default firmware.
UPDATE: I just saw that the pins can now be configured in the SlimeVR Firmware tool. So it should work.
I like it. I'll keep this in mind for future projects.
This is gonna be a gamechanger for my sonic screwdriver build
This is amazing! I already got a few projects I could implement in 😮
I would be very interested to see any robot kits you start selling with these.
I just bought a 3-pack of the XIAO ESP32S3 boards from Seeed Studio for my latest project. I was aware of the need for the external antenna and am just hoping it isn't strictly necessary when my controls will be so close to the board if I even go with external controls. But this looks like a great alternative if that doesn't prove to be the case. Thank you for taking the time to create and share it.
THIS is AMAZING!
I hope I can get one in time!
this is soooo cool!
Makers tend to forget that they use **development** boards in their final designs. You didn't "design another one" you just integrated the MCU in your custom design. As you're supposed to do.
Bro hats off mind blowing invention.
This looks awesome - im in the TinyDuino space and stacking boards makes it big. this looks solid!
Awesome chip. Would love to have ESPHome templates for it.
You are crazy in good way. That's why I love your videos! :)
That small factor micro controllers are the best thing.
That gap for the USB cord is thick enough that I wonder whether some components could go between the boards, at least in some future version.
wonderful project!
if you rotate the c port 90 degrees and make it exit like the battery connector? this would increase the thickness but give you more space on the board.
Another thing I thought of was putting a small piece of flat cable so that the c port could be rotated
OMG, this is my dream prototyping module.
I think this is exactly what many were looking for. I will take some.
However another downside of the USB C port location is that it might be a bit inconvenient to make it accessible when printing a case with a 3d printer
so far i've built multiple cases for different projects and i have to agree.. but it a small inconvenience considering what it packs in such a small area..some clever 3d design can also make it easier for the usb connector to be more accessible through the housing
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wow great design! Maybe you could also integrate a Power latch (e.g. with TPL5110) to enable years of battery life
thanks! that's the only missing thing on it! its not bad but the onboard addressable led isn't sleep current friendly - its impossible to fit but if there's space i'm going to try and add for v2 if it ever gets there 🙃
The XIAO ESP32C6 is the same size as the C3 and has an internal antenna in addition to a connection for an external one. And it has zigbee, which could be convenient for power usage.
With that in mind, you could make your design smaller by using one of those ceramic 3D antenna's that Seeed uses for the XIAO C6.
You are a real life wizard! 😊
Very cool! But I still say that you really need to design a Cozmo that has a brain. I so much want to have a small robot that can roam around the house indexing new items and even be able to take small items back to its' home base.
Pretty cool! I'd love trying to use it to build a micro mouse. :D
This is really cool!
This seems pretty interesting as a SlimeVR tracking puck!
Unfortunately the ESP32 isn't efficient enough to work off a small battery, but if this used an nRF52840 instead it could use the experimental SmolSlime firmware and last weeks! (although the nRF doesn't have wifi, it has BT, Thread, NFC, and more)
The BNO085 is the same IMU used in the official SlimeVR design, but now the cheaper LSM6dso or LSM6dsv (dsv is the newest) are becoming new favorites. They're much more power efficient and apparently about as accurate if not better. They don't have magnetometers, but usually the BNO085's isn't used by the Slime software anyways
Addition of very compact camera can be interesting for Small AI powered robot.
Really nice piece of engeneering!
I like external antenna because then i can place electronics on alu or steel sheet if need be and don't need to worry about occlusion/detuning so much, more flexibility.
USB cable only a little attenuation because the metallisation is barely a couple millimetres across, which is a lot less than 29mm.
Very nice design!! Which IMU is that?
i like that you went with an ESP32, BUT i don't love the C3. The S3 is a real successor to the original ESP32, whereas the C# series come closer to an ESP8266 IMO. Still a decent MCU though
Finally something to compete with the M5 Atom.
Fantastic stuff, again! 🙂
Insanely cool
EMI cries in the side
buying now
Keep up the Good Work !!!!👍👍
Bravoooo 👏👏👏
Malta power, hahaha, great project and amazing results.
babe, Carl Bugeja uploaded a video!
Looks amazing, as all of your projects.
I am just worried that the PCB antenna might behave poorly.
( esp32 has a very small range when connecting to other ESP with PCB antenna.)
Thank you so much! 🙂 So far we didn't have any issues with the antenna's performance with all the tests I showed
Whoa he posted 👍
I would've created a proprietary power connection, avoiding a big bulky USB C cable port soldered onto the board.
Thanks for sharing 🎉
Insane how small electronics are getting these days. Very impressive
They're not just 'getting' small. People are designing them
@@AlexFoster2291 well, duh.
A smaller 6 pin connector to extend USB and charging would have been a good idea. I mean sideways mounted 0.5 mil or smaller connector.
Won't be suprising that new gen toddler spying of their parents with Scratch in future
Great work as always.
What about cutting the PCB antenna and soldering it in vertical?
I don't know if it invalidates the FCC compliancy (probably yes), but it will make the size smaller, solve the connected usb port issue and also be high a little more of the usb port itself. 🙂
This is really great! I'm jealous 😇🥂
This makes me want to try to make new stuff! Also, would it be able to work in clusters?
Amazing
Amazing!
"Is there any possibility of making a 3D space mouse using magnets and this board?"
ESP32 drains over 100mA with BT and Wi-Fi on. Not sure how is that a good choice for a battery operated miniature robot.
Skills! 🦾
that great it look like it could be use for Vr Full body tracking.
I want a kit to build that tiny robot car 🥰
Coming soon
Good bro
Thank you Carl for this great content once again ! I would like to drop a question because I'm kind of curious here. How do you make a living ? Is this channel a hobby project or main job ?
Regards, kyf
Great board! BNO086 may be better for IMU.
Considered it but it's price was more expensive.. So the 085 was a good compromise
As someone who designs and measures antennas, the problem is not that the cable is shielded or not.
The problem is that those antennas are designed while assuming that underneath them is free space, if you introduce an object (obviously metallic objects are worse) in the antenna's near-field, you change it's S11 (reflection coefficient) and radiation pattern, and it's efficiency *MIGHT* drop, since more power is reflected back to the source.
I say might because the response is actually unpredictable, even I designing antennas for a living don't exactly know what might happen when certain objects are placed. RF is black magic after all.
However, as you tested, the antenna seems to be responding quite well to the USB-C cable so... fair game! Good job though!
Would it still be a problem when the cable isn't plugged in, just because of the socket? Because otherwise, it seems pretty reasonable to not use wireless _while_ it is plugged into USB.
@@jimjjewett It depends on where the socket is placed, rule of thumb you try to follow the "Antenna cutout" most datasheets include and not place anything beneath it which, as you can see at 5:28, he followed pretty well, so the socket such cause little to no problems. It also helped that he used a thicker substrate on the bottom, keeping the socket further away from the antenna.
Usually the problems you see is just a loss of efficiency and the antenna still works at those frequencies, just a little worse (unless you really ignore the cutout and just place whatever you want underneath it).
Wow I'm amazed. This is so impressive!!!
How many board layers & what trace thickness did you use to get it this small?
This was damn intresting!!
Pro tip: Most of the ESP boards allow you to reset the chip and put it into boot mode via the serial(by putting the RST line high, if I recall). esp-tool does this if supported!
Looks Great! BTW what's the actuator on 5:51?
waiting for this with bluetooth 6 channel sounding
I cant glue the board on the 3d printer because there is antenna. So there is some space between the 3d printed wall and the usb c. Can u move the antenna to the opposite side? Sorry for the entlish
how about vertical usb-c port?
Why?
Already sold out! i missed the train!
It will be restocked in a few days
Why would the shielding not affect the signal propagation? Its basically a grounded metal plane which should have a huge impact on signal propagation.
Cool project though.
As a huge horizon fan and maker, I’ve been thinking about making something same to fit into ally’s focus…
this is perfect for a micro sized drone. just replace the esp32 c3 to s3 and add camera for computer vision micro drone.
Bitzee stole your design of the magnetic flapping screen