You are absolutely right. Pretty much all of the words you got there mean plain old knife. In romance languages we still pretty much use variations of the original latin "cultro" or "cultellus". In spanish we say "Cuchillo", in italian "Coltello", in portuguese "Cotela", in french "Couteau". You get the gist of it. That being said, that huge thing is more of a short sword than a dagger!
It may have been a way to get around some old law. In Germany, for example, during the medieval and early renaissance swords were only allowed to the nobility so people carried messers which were short swords but they had a full tang construction like a butcher knife or modern machete so they were considered knives rather than swords according to the legal loop hole they exploited.
@@nevisysbryd7450 Could you point me to the source for that. The knife/law is the accepted interpretation but if there's an alternative I'd be interested in seeing the argument for it.
@@nevisysbryd7450 I'm assuming that you meant that channels "The Meaning of Knife" video. He seems to have done more research than most but, like a lot of academics, he's developed an interesting new idea that disproves previous assumptions and hasn't given it as much thought as it might require to overturn orthodox wisdom;). To be precise his argument is that, because messers didn't enjoy exemptions in all laws over the course of the centuries they were used, that the story for it's origin was a myth. Messers may indeed have eventually come to be regarded as just a different style of sword without disproving the logic for their original adoption. Then, they simply came to be the style and were retained even when laws caught up with the original loophole and the messer no longer benefited from the exemption. Of course that is a question that calls for a lot more research. It's what keeps academics occupied;).
Remids me of the dagger/short sword Jormah Mormont wore opposite his long sword in GoT. Always seemed like a good idea. Or that tbe drunk fire priest wore on his back. Thank you for sharing with us
I first learned of these when looking into the anelace. There seemed to be a blur there sometimes as well. A common theme I noticed is that they seem to be proto-cinquedeas based on profile.
Could be though these seem to be quite early to be connected to cinquedeas though. It may well be one of those reoccurring styles that trend in and out of favor over time.
Awesome. I had a sword maker make me two for training arming sword with my 8 year old. We also as adults use them to fight arming sword and dagger. It also makes as a great indoor sword trainer as it has many of the same balance and rotation points within a more confined space.
I assume the scabbard is one made by A&A. It looks quite nice. 👍 I also find it interesting that they were referring to daggers as knives (without having anything to do with the grip type constructions).
Can you make a video on medieval short swords and why would someone use them? In portuguese "cutelo" means "cleaver", while in spanish "cutillo" simply means knife. Interesting, hugh?
Gorgeous little sword...er...dagger. interesting problem to have. Names are hard... on the one hand nobody cares, a rose by any name. On the other hand everybody cares because it makes it easy to identify what we're talking about. Lol this is a whole can worms. If I say... "Viking sword..." Some nerd: "No actually its not a viking sword! viking was a profession, it's a Frankish Saxon migration Era spartha....how dare you vikings were murders" Me:😑"whatever dude... it's a Viking sword... the typology is called "Jan petersons typology of the viking sword" some were saxon some were Frankish technically but you know what I'm talking about so...and I'm pretty sure the saxons raided places too..." Splitting hairs is fine, if you want to get really,really specific but we should acknowledge that it's sort of arbitrary after a certain point. Dagger, knife, sword whatever blades are blades doesn't matter what it's name is. Pretty sure we're all fine calling every thing longsword. German longsword, French longsword, English longsword. Nobody insists we call a French longsword...whatever the French called lol
Cool! I want a Coustel!
I've been searching for a short sword like this.
You are absolutely right. Pretty much all of the words you got there mean plain old knife. In romance languages we still pretty much use variations of the original latin "cultro" or "cultellus". In spanish we say "Cuchillo", in italian "Coltello", in portuguese "Cotela", in french "Couteau". You get the gist of it. That being said, that huge thing is more of a short sword than a dagger!
It may have been a way to get around some old law. In Germany, for example, during the medieval and early renaissance swords were only allowed to the nobility so people carried messers which were short swords but they had a full tang construction like a butcher knife or modern machete so they were considered knives rather than swords according to the legal loop hole they exploited.
@@silverjohn6037 This is a modern anachronism. Messer hilt construction was not a way of getting around sword restriction laws.
@@nevisysbryd7450 Could you point me to the source for that. The knife/law is the accepted interpretation but if there's an alternative I'd be interested in seeing the argument for it.
@@silverjohn6037 See "Messer myth busting" by Virtual Fechtshule.
@@nevisysbryd7450 I'm assuming that you meant that channels "The Meaning of Knife" video. He seems to have done more research than most but, like a lot of academics, he's developed an interesting new idea that disproves previous assumptions and hasn't given it as much thought as it might require to overturn orthodox wisdom;).
To be precise his argument is that, because messers didn't enjoy exemptions in all laws over the course of the centuries they were used, that the story for it's origin was a myth.
Messers may indeed have eventually come to be regarded as just a different style of sword without disproving the logic for their original adoption. Then, they simply came to be the style and were retained even when laws caught up with the original loophole and the messer no longer benefited from the exemption.
Of course that is a question that calls for a lot more research. It's what keeps academics occupied;).
Remids me of the dagger/short sword Jormah Mormont wore opposite his long sword in GoT. Always seemed like a good idea. Or that tbe drunk fire priest wore on his back.
Thank you for sharing with us
Oh that is is beautiful !
I first learned of these when looking into the anelace. There seemed to be a blur there sometimes as well. A common theme I noticed is that they seem to be proto-cinquedeas based on profile.
Could be though these seem to be quite early to be connected to cinquedeas though. It may well be one of those reoccurring styles that trend in and out of favor over time.
Interesting. Thank you
A hobbit would call that a sword . . . lol
Totally love Sting.
Awesome. I had a sword maker make me two for training arming sword with my 8 year old. We also as adults use them to fight arming sword and dagger. It also makes as a great indoor sword trainer as it has many of the same balance and rotation points within a more confined space.
Great vid , nice secondary weapon 👍
What a nice piece!
I think so too!
Is this something you will be offering for sale regularly or just as a custom piece?
Excellent.
Thank you! Cheers!
To me it looks like those short swords in the old dnd rpgs like baldurs gate 😎
A nice secondary weapon.
A Gladius sword is often that size if not shorter.
I assume the scabbard is one made by A&A. It looks quite nice. 👍
I also find it interesting that they were referring to daggers as knives (without having anything to do with the grip type constructions).
Great point!
To be fair crocodile Dundee hadn't been born yet.
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Can you make a video on medieval short swords and why would someone use them? In portuguese "cutelo" means "cleaver", while in spanish "cutillo" simply means knife. Interesting, hugh?
Its lovely! Though to me its screaming to have a lenticular cross section rather than that diamond.
Gorgeous little sword...er...dagger. interesting problem to have. Names are hard... on the one hand nobody cares, a rose by any name. On the other hand everybody cares because it makes it easy to identify what we're talking about. Lol this is a whole can worms. If I say...
"Viking sword..."
Some nerd: "No actually its not a viking sword! viking was a profession, it's a Frankish Saxon migration Era spartha....how dare you vikings were murders"
Me:😑"whatever dude... it's a Viking sword... the typology is called
"Jan petersons typology of the viking sword" some were saxon some were Frankish technically but you know what I'm talking about so...and I'm pretty sure the saxons raided places too..."
Splitting hairs is fine, if you want to get really,really specific but we should acknowledge that it's sort of arbitrary after a certain point. Dagger, knife, sword whatever blades are blades doesn't matter what it's name is. Pretty sure we're all fine calling every thing longsword. German longsword, French longsword, English longsword. Nobody insists we call a French longsword...whatever the French called lol
yep
This looks like a European wakizashi. Smaller and more convenient for daily carry. The way a dirk compliments a basket hilt and sgian dubh
A dagger!?!?
Swords for HOBBITS? :D