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EV trip planning in remote Australia
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2023
- We have started a 25,000 km+ figure “8” lap of Australia in our Tesla electric car. The planned route is Canberra - Port Augusta - Darwin - Perth - Port Augusta - Alice Springs - Mount Isa - Townsville - Melbourne - Hobart. At the time of posting this video we are in Carnarvon WA.
This video covers these topics:
- How to plan for long driving distances using only AC charging
- How long might it take your EV to get from Karratha to Exmouth Western Australia
- How to use Plugshare to find the best charging options
- To have backup charging plans
- 32A 3 phase AC charging
- Nanutarra roadhouse
- Charging an EV from a diesel generator - you gotta do what you gotta do!
Join me on a journey from Karratha to Exmouth in a Tesla Model Y, navigating the remote regions of Australia without access to fast charging stations. In this comprehensive video, you'll learn about trip planning, dealing with range estimates, using alternative charging options, and adapting to real-world conditions. Discover valuable tips from me, gain insights into energy consumption, and explore the challenges and solutions of long-distance EV travel.
Thank you for the interesting video! I'm moving back to Au and will live remotely, so the information you’re sharing will help me figure out what I'm going to do.
Glad I can help you @adriennewright68. The good news is that remote charging is improving all the time but it will take a long time before it’s something you don’t even need to think about. My recommendation is to buy a car with a biggish battery and good efficiency. At highway speeds you are unlikely to get the advertised range. Same is true for petrol cars but in this case it will really help you if considering and EV. Let me know if there is anything I can help with. Happy to have a one on one if that helps.
We just did 3700km around a fair chunk of Australia. Carry a similar array of cables and a spare is a must.
Certainly once you get more remote and flatter, it's mostly wind that effects your efficiency (assuming you are keeping to the speed limit). On our recent trip in our Model 3 Long Range we tended to sit in the low 150s for most of the trip. In the slower hillier areas, the regen helps bring it into the 140s.
At home we average nearly 20% regen. On our recent trip NSW to Adelaide and back it was less than 10%.
Good videos thanks and great advice. It takes some preparation but that is half the fun. We are planning a similar run in the next year or two.
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah for me the planning has been half the fun. It's was my day job on the more remote sections of our first half. Things have eased up as we get closer to Perth,
Good video production and content very relevant to us (Live in Perth, doing the big lap in our Tesla 3 next year).
Thanks for the positive feedback and glad you found the video useful. BTW we will finally make it into Perth in a week or so. Happy to catch up over a coffee if you are interested.
LOVED LOVED your video.
FACINATING.
RESPECT to you going to the OUTBACK in a EV !!!
I will check out more of your vids.
- I am weighing up the pros n cons of owning a EV. (resale value/ battery degradation/insurance/etc???)
Regards,
Thx @tvp59. Glad you found it useful. We are on our 2nd Tesla and there is no going back for us. The pros far outweigh the cons for us, and that's after 3+ years of EV ownership. I hope you do as well and can join us out here in your EV :)
@@AUSY8
I Thank You for your reply sir.
I would be interested. What do you see as the pro's of owning an EV and what are the cons?
@@nothere9551
The pros are the Tech!!! EV's are just INCREDIBLE !
The cons? Cost $$$$$$$$$, Recharging infrastructure (home is OK), Resale Value, Battery Degradation, Insurance (Many companies do Not insure EV's)
If one can afford an EV, well good on them. Everyone has freewill.
The NWO (New World Order, the United Nations) the Government are pushing (FORCING) EV's on Everyone.
All part of THEIR agenda.
Regards.
Hi, this video popped up in my feed. I also live in Canberra and have a RWD model Y so it caught my attention. I have just binge watched all of your videos and enjoyed them. Keep them coming!
The information in this one and the one showing all of the cables was particularly interesting.
Glad you found them useful and encouraging me to do more. Look out for one on parking using summon real soon. The 25th marked 6 months since we left CBR, it's been a fun journey so far.
come to the AEVA Branch meeting at Canberra Harmonie German Club on 3rd Monday of each month, at 6ish PM. Better still, join AEVA.asn.au!
Thanks for the video. This gives me a good idea about big trips in Australia.
Glad it was helpful!. I plan to do another one when we cross the Nullarbor in a few weeks.
Really 545 kms in a day, I do that on a tank of petrol... If I wanted to push it I could go 2500kms in 24 hours.
Go for it. There is nothing stopping you.
We are nomads, we prefer to stop often and admire some amazing spots in our country. While we are at it, we smell the roses and not the fumes.
Charging in remote outback today is a hack. We are using infrastructure not designed for it.
The analogy would be driving around in a model T with limited access to petrol.
driving.ca/auto-news/news/what-the-history-of-gas-stations-means-for-electric-cars
@@AUSY8 I too enjoy a good sight see as well. I don't think many charging stations will have vistas that one would normally stop to admire though. If we had the same time I would see more than you with the exception of a charging station.
As far as the fumes go we all breath the same air. Maybe you should spend some time next to a power station to smell the coal you are burning to use an EV.
As far as the infrastructure you are right outback would be horrendous. however if we do go down this green pathway the strain on the electrical grid will be fatal. They are even telling people not to put the washing machine on at 6pm as power is tight.
Add to this the growing dissatisfaction of private owners who are NOT buying EVs in reducing quantities.
I'm glad you acknowledge I'm on a green pathway. You are not going to convince me to switch to your ??? pathway and you are clearly not going to switch to mine. My channel is not about trying to make you switch and I can live with that, but can you?
Wow, cool story bro. Each to their own?
It looked like a nice test until you where crawling along at 80 kph, and then you did the most infuriating thing for other road users , you to speeded up when he got near you, rule 1 , if you are going to travel slow , be consistent, let the other guy that has momentum pass you.
Fully understand. I try not to be one of those annoying drivers on the road.
Enjoying your channel. Spending (average) $250 per day on fuel/maintenance by a grey nomad towing a caravan, (driving days). Verses the cost of driving an EV with no caravan but staying in Hotel/Air B&B/cabins nightly would balance out pretty quickly on a trip like this?. Of course you would also take a tent as well as a small solar setup (run the fridge etc) to spend many nights in a nice remote location. Looking forward to buying an EV van for this in the future.
Thanks for positive feedback. I do have a largish tent in the car, but there is no way I could get the better half in it. It's there for emergencies, when the only accomodation option for the dog is a powered site.
There are some interesting products/concepts overseas for caravans etc that have their own large battery and can even assist powering the drive of the car. There was one I saw that could park intself to avoid the issue of backing it up.
Interesting video but I’d go nuts sitting on 80 or 90 kph. Plus the road trains catching up… We did 35,000 km last year in our Ford Ranger based motorhome. Used quite a bit of diesel. Can I ask what your average power costs were for say, each 1000 km block. We used to live in the NT and I was a member of the SES. We attended quite a few fatal rollovers on the Stuart Highway. A tip, you have a heavy spare wheel right behind your seat, that wheel plus all the other unrestrained stuff in your car will kill you in a crash. Make up a restraint net if you’re doing more road trips like this, it could save your life.
We have just clicked over 30,000 km on the trip. I estimate we did about 10% of that distance at 80-90, the rest would be at the speed limit. With access to fast charging we had fun recently going at 130 km/h on parts of the Stuart. Once fast charging becomes pervasive, the hypermiling hacks we used will be considered quaint by future EV owners.
I plan to post a future video on a summary and costs of all the charging we did. The majority of it was free as part of our accomodation cost (either campground/roadhouse or Airbnb).
So the answer is going to surprise most. However not many of us have the time to do slow trickle charging on a 30,000km road trip and so I would not use our costs as typical.
As a teaser, for the first 1,100 km our total charging costs were $51. That included a bit of free NRMA free charging on the Hay Plain. I think those chargers are now in billing mode.
Good points on the unrestrained objects in the car. I did consider the risk and figured the best place for the wheel was behind a seat because it is immediately restrained by the seat for a forward collision. However if we are rear ended or T-boned, gods knows what it would go.
As for rest to it, there's way too much of it to even know where to start. Under normal circumstances we do not travel this way so have accepted the risk.
In fact now that we have reached the civilisation of the east coast I plan to ditch the spare and just rely on Tesla and NRMA roadside assistance.
On that note is anyone interested in an unused Bruamach spare wheel? Will suit Model 3 or Model Y.
@@AUSY8 Really interesting. Thanks for the reply.
6:50 Spare wheel that Elon didn’t give us 😂
I know. Even worse, there's no good place to put one. All those hidden storage areas in the Y and none of them can take a space saver spare. Lucky we only take a small 4 legged passenger on our great lap :)
I don’t carry a spare because I like to live on the knife’s edge 🤞… or not
Great vid, I thoroughly enjoyed it!
@@AUSY8 in the boot in the Model 3. Certainly eats the space.....
It's even optional in the Cybertruck!
I carry a ModernSpares space saver 18", in Model3 trunk/boot, or strapped in a container bag behind passenger seat. Jack and wrench in frunk.
Love your videos - keep up the good work. Highlighting the need for more DC Fast chargers in the outback. Going to cost a lot though with that roadhouse being a good example. Stuck on a diesel genny with no grid connection. Either WA will have to spend more money on power infrastructure or I think the better option is microgrids with solar and/or wind feeding a big battery. It would be cheaper than diesel in the long run.
Thanks. Yeah microgrids with solar/batt is likely the go. If you watch my most recent vid with outback EV hunter he thinks that's the way to go too. And if big enough the whole roadhouse/restaurant/accomodation could get off diesel too.
Grate video I am planning to gets a EV Ute like a Rivian or F150 lighting when they start coming to AU and do the loop. Thank you for this info
Glad you found it useful. I hope they arrive soon so that you can start the iconic loop. Every month you delay the more EV charging changes for the better. We are doing the Port Augusta SA -> Threeways NT stretch a 2nd time right now, and in the 9 month gap there have been improvements, especially on the SA side.
@@AUSY8 I do also hope to see more EV utes as the only offering is the LDV t60 with only 330km range on a single charge, that needs to be doubled.
How did your reception go ? I heard teslas run off starlink
Teslas in Australia run off Telstra. Reception was okay around towns and roadhouses, but was nonexistent on many of the remote parts we travelled. Bring a Starlink, or an Iphone 14 or later if you are in that ecosystem. iPhones now support emergency SMS: support.apple.com/en-au/101573
I imagine less fuel gets burned even when charging off a diesel generator, since it’d be running at peak efficiency the whole time.
Yeah I would hope so.
The better news is that the WA EV network will use a combination of solar and battery to service roadhouses like these with fast[ish] DC charging:
www.wa.gov.au/government/media-statements/Cook-Labor-Government/WA-EV-Network-launches-first-EV-fast-charger-in-the-Kimberley---20230719
There will still be a generator involved, but only for backup.
It’s still evolving tech and a challenge to go half a tanks worth of Ks of an ICE and twice as long.I dare say in five or ten years it will be a different story and more affordable. The biggest challenge will be cold climate operation .
Agree. It has been interesting to see the news coming out of the US recently on issues with charging in super cold weather at public fast DC stations.
keep dreaming lmao
I live the dream@@JohnSmith-oh9ux - along with the over 25 million other EV drivers around the world
The problem is , you cannot rely on these things when you need to be somewhere in a hurry, we had a family emergency, and had to make the trip back to Melbourne from Sydney, the model 3 long range was already charged prior to departure, and it still took 12.5 hours to get home which is utter BS.
When time matters, you do not want to be in an EV.
An old 2001 falcon station wagon would do the run home from Sydney on one tank , and 9 out of 10 non EVs would do the trip home in 9 hours or less.
A dirty old Ford territory with an agricultural old land Rover diesel with more room inside ( and a spare wheel and jack) and with over a thousand k's range imo are just way more practical , but too each his own.
And unfortunately the range you get today , will not be the range you get in a couple of years , or 5 years or 10 years due to battery degradation.
@@mikldude9376 That's fair. If every minute counts then an ICE car is going to win a race where EV needs recharging....for now.
I can drive my diesel Mondeo over 1000km at 110 km/h without having to stop (for the car) at all...
If I had done the trip in a Mondeo, not sure I would have got any hits on this video, including yours, but good on you.
Maybe I should make this clearer on the channel homepage, but I'm more about giving other EV drivers advice on what to expect, and less about convincing Mondeo drivers to switch.
Good for you bro.
Interesting, but who needs the constant anxiety of … “ will we get there ?” ???
Also you’re supposed to be travelling not watching your screen, trying to convince yourself . And let’s not forget recharging from a diesel generator.
What do you propose I do? Stop having fun out here? ;)
I'm a realist; I think 30% of the power generated in Oz, is from diesel. You can't avoid it, but I can guarantee you,that 30% will drop over time as renewables take over.
there should be no anxiety, with a bit of planning. After 180k km over 6 years in a BMWi3 and Model3 LR have never looked like running low. Crossed Oz both up/down and East/West. #RangeConfidence!
18:00 So you buy a ridiculously fast car and have to drive at 80km/h. Absolutely pathetic. Save the planet - charge with an inefficient diesel generator. The amount of fuel it uses would probably get you twice as far in a modern diesel ute with far less emissions thanks to modern emission controls on cars which are not found on generators.
Thanks for the comment. Ironically, our model y rwd is the slowest shortest range Tesla you can buy. We are in no hurry on the trip , 20k in 7 months = about 4km/h lol.
Actually, you have zero idea about vehicle efficiency, which makes you the pathetic one. EVs are >90% efficient, and your diesel crap is 30-40%. Charging an EV on diesel gen goes 2-3 times further per litre.
Silly comment. 99% of its life, a Tesla outperforms almost every other car around it, and you criticise it for not performing like a diesel Ute in the outback. Incidentally, EVs only ever charge from diesel generators out in the bush, where emissions matter much less. It is in urban areas that EV prevent the carcinogens that diesel engines are known for.
If your holiday is to check on your data every 5 minutes. then you can keep your money pit of an ev. How much has it cost you to travel in your over expensive ev. And the time you waste, come on!!!!!It never will convince me that the ev is the way to travel.
With that attitude this is a weird video for you to watch. It's about helping current/potential EV owners who want to travel outback before fast charging becomes a thing everywhere. It does not even pretend to try and convince the likes of you to switch. Suggest you flick back to where you came from.
Really? hate to break it to you dude but nobody cares what you drive aside from yourself. Get a hobby.
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Ha! My gas guzzling 1969 Dodge Charger packing a 525 hp 505 big block Chrysler V8 will out range any EV! And looks way better, ride smoother an run the A/C without worrying about making my destination. EV's are for around town, Petrol for road trips. Too much bullshit owning one
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@@AUSY8 I am planning on leasing a 2024 Model 3 performance soon but will in no way road trip it. My kids couldn't put up with it. We will road trip in our RAM pickup. But I watch your channel out of curiosity
EV lol. Eco gimmick for naive ones. Enjoy your range / charging issues.
Meanwhile my LPG Mazda does 1000km after one visit to petrol station 😂😂😂
Lol indeed. Many EV owners charge at home every night while they sleep, and have enough range the next day to do all the around town driving they need.
My situation is very unique but proving a point in the very early days of the EV ecosystem. Your comment reminds me of stories of horse owners when Model T became popular. Also the range of the Model T was about 225 miles.
Because you always drive 1,000kms non stop. No? Oh.
I bet your longest journey is about 10kms to your bookie and for a beer with your cobbers.
It is so true that all you need to do to identify an idiot is wait for them to speak.
1000km on lpg is not realistic. None of the lpg conversions provide 1000km range unless you have 2 large tanks taking up half your ute space
@@restfulplace3273 Getting harder and harder to buy LPG anywhere now.