The South African Police Service (SAPS) has a constitutional mandate to protect all people within the country, regardless of their legal status or actions. Abandoning illegal miners underground would be a dereliction of this duty and a violation of basic human rights.
They were getting food before the operation Vala mngodi now they need food as much as there are volunteers going down there , so they need food and water
Yes indeed, but then they want to litigate against people who have not had a television for 30 years and therefore have not had to pay for a TV License. SABC can take the R 8000 they say I owe them for TV Licensing, and shove it where the sun doesn't reach. LOL
Although this is a horrible situation I must commend the SAPS for enforcing the law..... these illegal miners are dangerous in a dangerous situation. I agree that there are some who are forced to become illegal miners due to the high unemployment rate and some just want to put food on their table. However this damages the infrastructure with waterpipe-lines continuously being damaged causing long periods of no water to some households, then there are new sinkholes forming in areas etc etc....... perhaps its time that the kingpins are brought to book?
While SAPS is enforcing the law, focusing solely on policing fails to address the systemic causes of illegal mining, such as poverty, unemployment, and inequality. Criminalizing miners without tackling these underlying issues risks perpetuating the cycle of desperation and criminal activity.
They become dangerous because of the anger instilled in them we have armed car heists out there even more dangerous ..if these people were given freedom to die own their own term underground they couldnt....there is gold left and they are just collecting those remains ...but man is happy to see another die of hunger while he throws his left over food to his dog...shame on you and your minister
@@mrsoshadabaadman Government departments cannot work in isolation when addressing complex issues like illegal mining. The problem involves law enforcement, economic development, and social support. Delegating the issue solely to the Department of Social Development ignores the need for a coordinated, multi-departmental response.
@OratiloeKhumalo So you and I can agree including home affairs. Cause we can't intervene in another countries policies. We agree that the gov and it's various bodies have to co-ordinate.
Reporting illegal miners, especially family members, can expose residents to retaliation from criminal syndicates that control illegal mining operations. These organizations are often violent, making residents hesitant to endanger their lives and those of their families.
Blindly agreeing with the police overlooks the complexity of the illegal mining crisis. It is not merely a matter of enforcing the law but also addressing systemic issues like poverty, unemployment, and abandoned mines, which the police alone cannot resolve.
The police and other government agencies have a legal and moral duty to protect lives, including those of illegal miners. Allowing untrained individuals to conduct rescues not only endangers more lives but undermines the state's role in ensuring public safety.
@@OratiloeKhumalo the police and other government agencies are not above the law under law of work and safety south Africa it is unlawful to work in areas that is not safe .
Its not police job to give them jobs,, they are not South Africans, they are not our responsibility,, they have their own countries countries that is suppose to give them jobs, our government is supposed to give us jobs,,we are also not working, but we don't go to their countries and do illegal mining we don't,
All you have is a xenophobic mindset. When the lebombo border post was closed for a few days. South African companies were crying. You must know that for South Africa to work you need your African brothers and sisters. If all African countries and there people are to stop traveling and doing Business with South Africa . Things will change over night. South Africa will never be the same. The fact that you personally you don't travel to some other countries, doesn't mean that everyone in mzanzi don't visit or work in foreign countries!!! It's only that you are shallow minded.
Artisanal mining needs to be regulated like the taxi industry. It's a great source of income for SARS and a major employer. This everyone is Zama-Zama mindset is self-sabotage. Yes there are foreigners, but these are mostly South Africans.
There are more foreigners don't lie. Even last week they caught 450+ illegal miners and only 2 were south africans meaning these resources are not even helping our people. Taxi industry is south african zamazama is not
SARS! 😂😂 Do you really think taxi bosses and illegal miners submit tax returns? They may buy foods with sales tax.....big difference as their incomes are NOT taxed!!
Like motswana man said. Monna o bolawa ke se a se jeleng. Le gona botho bao ke baipolayi ba ba sa llelweng. Se ileng se ile moselatedi ke lesilo. Bayang dipelo.
You should be laying a charge on the owner of the mine for not securing the mine of entry and putting lives in danger. Source the big knobs running the Zama zama activities and charge them. We would not be at this point if Government held the owners accountable to secure and seal mine shafts for abandonment and that the ownes put in measures to ensure they remain such. That is where the policing efforts should go.
No matter what illegal manners are but you can't let people die just like that , those who are in the position to help and rescue, should know that will face justice , even prisoners and other individuals in such nature have laws to protect them.
Suggesting that "karma is doing its job" trivializes the suffering and loss of human lives. Illegal miners often operate under desperate circumstances, and framing their hardships as deserved punishment lacks empathy and understanding of their struggles.
@OratiloeKhumalo All criminals operatw under desperate circumstances. Breaking the law is non-negotiable. They are to surrender to the law enforcement.
@@kusaselihlengubane8984 Not all illegal actions stem from deliberate criminal intent. In cases like illegal mining, many participants are driven by extreme poverty, lack of opportunity, or coercion by criminal syndicates. Labeling them simply as "criminals" ignores the socioeconomic and systemic issues at play.
Some die down there. The ones who are with them know about it but the bodies are just left there. Can you imagine the stench? Government doesn't create enough jobs and doesn't prioritize education. Infrastructure hasn't been maintained and all public facilities (hospitals, schools, Post Office etc) have been RUINED by them! They're genuinely INEPT!
The abandonment of the mine has directly contributed to the proliferation of illegal mining activities. As the interview indicates, the mine owners failed to ensure proper closure and security measures to prevent unauthorized access. This negligence has created dangerous conditions, leading to loss of life and jeopardizing community safety.
Yeah they're illegal miners and it's not allowed law must take it cause but now the situation is not the same those people are dead some of them some are weak and ill due to the lack of food and water for months, what is the way forward it's not helping to stand there since there is no way that those people can resurface on their own.
The "Operation Vala M'Godi" initiative to cut off food and water to illegal miners raises ethical issues. While illegal mining is unlawful, depriving individuals of basic sustenance and forcing them to emerge in a state of malnutrition and weakness is inhumane and may violate basic human rights. A more balanced approach focused on humanitarian aid and legal resolution is necessary.
I can LEGALLY climb to the top of the Drakensberg; should I neglect to take enough sustenance with me, there is no obligation on the authorities to 'rescue' me
The whole point on cutting off supplies is to force them to resurface. We cannot risk sending enforcement into these mines du to their instability and the illegal miners themselves are known to carry heavy weapons. They should come out when they release their food is out
@@alankennedy1742 Regardless of whether an activity is legal or not, rescue authorities have a moral and often legal obligation to provide assistance in life-threatening situations. Comparing legal mountain climbing to illegal mining overlooks the broader principle that human lives deserve protection, irrespective of the circumstances.
@@kyslasher6830 Cutting off food and water supplies to force miners to resurface is inhumane and places lives at risk. These individuals are often trapped in precarious, unhealthy conditions due to desperation, not criminal intent. Denying basic sustenance exacerbates their suffering and violates humanitarian principles.
@OratiloeKhumalo Not "miners" they are "illegal miners" and literally had the option of coming out on their own when they realized their supplies where cut off. Five others resurfaced and where detained. We are talking about criminals who choose not to face the law so why should we then risk more lives to feed them?
Such a useless government. Legalize informal mining, Motsepe made billions buying abandoned mines. If not hold those companies accountable for not having rehabilitated the mines which was suppose to be done already.
Why would you want to legalize informal mining? If people want to mine we already have the legal channels to purchase abandoned mines like you mentioned.
It can't be that the was can't take its course... No where in the world can illiagle people can enter a country and mine minerals as they please... It's an lawful... If the law of the country is not uphold as it's the same as illegal spasa shops.... People do as they please
Please don't risk the life of the SA police searching for them. Their family should illegal minner should go and search them. They must be arrested.
The South African Police Service (SAPS) has a constitutional mandate to protect all people within the country, regardless of their legal status or actions. Abandoning illegal miners underground would be a dereliction of this duty and a violation of basic human rights.
@oratil their choice. Come up or not.
@@OratiloeKhumalogood thing there’s nothing you can do about it🤡
@OratiloeKhumalo take your human rights and shove them. I'm more concerned about the disgusting rate of crimes committed by foreigners.
@@OratiloeKhumaloits a scientific truth....
Why are they entitled to food supplies? They should buy their own. Besides, no one should show pity be because the key word is ILLEGAL.
You dumb? And also they only strict this time around bcz rich people are affected😂 they would never treat community criminals like this.
They were getting food before the operation Vala mngodi now they need food as much as there are volunteers going down there , so they need food and water
We cant deny how beautiful that police lady is 😢
Hey south Africans. I knew one of us will say something about her bty
@AngelMatlombe We need to give ppl their flowers 💐
Not only beautiful but so articulate and intelligent.
@@ivank.9525 Definitely beauty with brains
Tell me your down bad without telling me
I love that SABC is so professional and Quality Check everything,
These miners are indeed undergroung.
Yes indeed, but then they want to litigate against people who have not had a television for 30 years and therefore have not had to pay for a TV License. SABC can take the R 8000 they say I owe them for TV Licensing, and shove it where the sun doesn't reach. LOL
Lol
Duh
Enforce we are behind you
Although this is a horrible situation I must commend the SAPS for enforcing the law..... these illegal miners are dangerous in a dangerous situation. I agree that there are some who are forced to become illegal miners due to the high unemployment rate and some just want to put food on their table. However this damages the infrastructure with waterpipe-lines continuously being damaged causing long periods of no water to some households, then there are new sinkholes forming in areas etc etc....... perhaps its time that the kingpins are brought to book?
While SAPS is enforcing the law, focusing solely on policing fails to address the systemic causes of illegal mining, such as poverty, unemployment, and inequality. Criminalizing miners without tackling these underlying issues risks perpetuating the cycle of desperation and criminal activity.
They become dangerous because of the anger instilled in them we have armed car heists out there even more dangerous ..if these people were given freedom to die own their own term underground they couldnt....there is gold left and they are just collecting those remains ...but man is happy to see another die of hunger while he throws his left over food to his dog...shame on you and your minister
@@OratiloeKhumaloThat's for the department of social development to address. They are another arm of the government.
@@mrsoshadabaadman Government departments cannot work in isolation when addressing complex issues like illegal mining. The problem involves law enforcement, economic development, and social support. Delegating the issue solely to the Department of Social Development ignores the need for a coordinated, multi-departmental response.
@OratiloeKhumalo So you and I can agree including home affairs. Cause we can't intervene in another countries policies. We agree that the gov and it's various bodies have to co-ordinate.
Residents are also complicit because they have not reported their family members who are engaging in illegal mining
Reporting illegal miners, especially family members, can expose residents to retaliation from criminal syndicates that control illegal mining operations. These organizations are often violent, making residents hesitant to endanger their lives and those of their families.
Same happens throughout society when the public breaks the law and friends and family just watch and to nothing
Hahahaha the same can be said for any crime ...
Whoever is buying gold from the Zama Zamas is the real kingpin and must be arrested.
With zama zamas
Go watch The Gold Mafia documentary you will know.
They are the politicians and mine owners who are dodging taxes.
Well spoken by Police Officer.
Agree fully with the Police.
Blindly agreeing with the police overlooks the complexity of the illegal mining crisis. It is not merely a matter of enforcing the law but also addressing systemic issues like poverty, unemployment, and abandoned mines, which the police alone cannot resolve.
Anyone is welcome to go underground for the rescue. Police should save their own lives
there is no rescue that is needed, nothing is blocked, they can come out, they just don't want to because they'll get arrested
Exactly
The police and other government agencies have a legal and moral duty to protect lives, including those of illegal miners. Allowing untrained individuals to conduct rescues not only endangers more lives but undermines the state's role in ensuring public safety.
@@OratiloeKhumalohahahahaha congratulations you are exactly what is wrong with the world...
@@OratiloeKhumalo the police and other government agencies are not above the law under law of work and safety south Africa it is unlawful to work in areas that is not safe .
Very impressive and professional lady
Thank u brigade for sticking to serving law abiding citizens.
Its not police job to give them jobs,, they are not South Africans, they are not our responsibility,, they have their own countries countries that is suppose to give them jobs, our government is supposed to give us jobs,,we are also not working, but we don't go to their countries and do illegal mining we don't,
All you have is a xenophobic mindset.
When the lebombo border post was closed for a few days.
South African companies were crying.
You must know that for South Africa to work you need your African brothers and sisters.
If all African countries and there people are to stop traveling and doing Business with South Africa .
Things will change over night.
South Africa will never be the same.
The fact that you personally you don't travel to some other countries, doesn't mean that everyone in mzanzi don't visit or work in foreign countries!!!
It's only that you are shallow minded.
@lisbonnyakudyara4629 All you have is a criminal mind
Well done SAPS.
Love the police brigadier, she gives off a strong aura and she knows what she's doing. Someone like her will not be intimidated by nonsense ❤
We fully support the SAPS, they must do everything they can without risking their own lives
Crime doesn't pay eventually it catches up
These people didn't commit any crime! They are working in abandoned mines for a living
@franck7582 o why does they call it illegal mining 🤔
❤welldone Saps enforce the Laws
I love this police woman ❤❤❤❤, Big up to you my sister
Artisanal mining needs to be regulated like the taxi industry. It's a great source of income for SARS and a major employer. This everyone is Zama-Zama mindset is self-sabotage. Yes there are foreigners, but these are mostly South Africans.
There are more foreigners don't lie. Even last week they caught 450+ illegal miners and only 2 were south africans meaning these resources are not even helping our people. Taxi industry is south african zamazama is not
Doesn't matter that still makes them criminals and they knew the risks involves
Correction mostly foreigners
SARS! 😂😂 Do you really think taxi bosses and illegal miners submit tax returns? They may buy foods with sales tax.....big difference as their incomes are NOT taxed!!
True
Beautiful Spokesperson 😍😍
Illegal mineworkers must hand themselves over to the authorities in order to save their lives.
Like motswana man said. Monna o bolawa ke se a se jeleng. Le gona botho bao ke baipolayi ba ba sa llelweng. Se ileng se ile moselatedi ke lesilo. Bayang dipelo.
This Brigadier looks very young,,,,, How many years service is required and how many years has to be achieved in the field, to achieve this rank?
You should be laying a charge on the owner of the mine for not securing the mine of entry and putting lives in danger. Source the big knobs running the Zama zama activities and charge them. We would not be at this point if Government held the owners accountable to secure and seal mine shafts for abandonment and that the ownes put in measures to ensure they remain such. That is where the policing efforts should go.
Brigadier Mathe is very calm, but also very firm.....these are criminals and will be treated as such.
Didn't know that we had so many cops in NW 😅
This lady is so firm( they r not de 2 make ppl happy) I lyk de spirit cc
Bopha phoyisa bopha😂❤🎉
Reporter looking like a gangster😂
Stop it wena, focus😂😂
You can see that He/She smoking zolo
Atleast he/she non binary… is professional compare to the other reporters.
😂😂😂😂
They are not trapped! They can come up anytime they choose.
Lawsuit against the police department is mounting.
No matter what illegal manners are but you can't let people die just like that , those who are in the position to help and rescue, should know that will face justice , even prisoners and other individuals in such nature have laws to protect them.
No, They are not blocked, they are not trapped, they chose not to resurface therefore if they die that's on them
go and rescue them don't say we hayibo
Karmer doing it's job? Idk, take note it's illegal shouldn't even be doing it at the first place
Suggesting that "karma is doing its job" trivializes the suffering and loss of human lives. Illegal miners often operate under desperate circumstances, and framing their hardships as deserved punishment lacks empathy and understanding of their struggles.
@OratiloeKhumalo All criminals operatw under desperate circumstances. Breaking the law is non-negotiable. They are to surrender to the law enforcement.
@@kusaselihlengubane8984 Not all illegal actions stem from deliberate criminal intent. In cases like illegal mining, many participants are driven by extreme poverty, lack of opportunity, or coercion by criminal syndicates. Labeling them simply as "criminals" ignores the socioeconomic and systemic issues at play.
Some die down there. The ones who are with them know about it but the bodies are just left there. Can you imagine the stench?
Government doesn't create enough jobs and doesn't prioritize education. Infrastructure hasn't been maintained and all public facilities (hospitals, schools, Post Office etc) have been RUINED by them! They're genuinely INEPT!
I'm a bit confused, are they trapped or they are refusing to surface because they are criminals?
They are refusing
Was this Shot using a a Mobicel Phone ?
Marikana miners were labelled illegal, criminals and then murdered is this the next plan
Do you all understand that leaving people there with dead bodies could bring diseases?
What's illegal is illegal... Imagine every one just go digging as we please
The abandonment of the mine has directly contributed to the proliferation of illegal mining activities. As the interview indicates, the mine owners failed to ensure proper closure and security measures to prevent unauthorized access. This negligence has created dangerous conditions, leading to loss of life and jeopardizing community safety.
When is SABC buying new equipment everything keeps on breaking
Yey seems as if saps has leadership now 😅
More than 3 months down the whole! Are they having some sort of facilities to relieve themselves? Do they miss their wives or they help each other?
Why are the authorities not getting legal rescue teams to go under ground?
Would you risk your life trying to rescue heavily armed men???
They heavily armed.
Rescue gangsters?
You know these people are armed right?
I love the sunglasses. Super professional. Was there a Blues Brothers performance in town?
😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂It's giving angiboni
😂😂😂😂
Please Botjang Athlenda Mathe kea mo nyaka🤞🏼
Brigadier Wesizwe❤🥰Please Tell Her Nginezinkomo Ezimbili Ngicela I Chance 😀
Lol, mhle u Brigadier and ushaya isi Ngesi sase Ngilane.
@ 😂🤣😂🤣🫡🫡🫡I Need To Go And Work For The Remaining Cows 🐄 I Need Lo Brigadier ❤️❤️
I like that we are not here to make people happy we are here to inforce the law hehehehehe nice one
Marikana 2.0 - These are humans and have rights.
They must catch the big sharks making money from zama zama, there must be South African people involved knowing things
The illegal miners must know they illegal in those mines, if SA make it easy for them they carry on
I'm just not convinced with the police playing law this time, especially in front of cameras 😂😂
But stopping food and water is killing them
Hypocrisy at its best, this is exactly what the state of Israel is doing in Gaza, denying people food, water and medication.
They can come up to buy food. They not trapped.
Home boy's go back to home
Yeah they're illegal miners and it's not allowed law must take it cause but now the situation is not the same those people are dead some of them some are weak and ill due to the lack of food and water for months, what is the way forward it's not helping to stand there since there is no way that those people can resurface on their own.
Only these zamazamas came out knows how to go back underground n save there guy's,,,can someone suggest this ??
Waist of resources by because the responsible of maining have to make way to stop this with main x owner
They can eat jolofrice down there.
Ungroung is how I wake up everyday 😂😂
The "Operation Vala M'Godi" initiative to cut off food and water to illegal miners raises ethical issues. While illegal mining is unlawful, depriving individuals of basic sustenance and forcing them to emerge in a state of malnutrition and weakness is inhumane and may violate basic human rights. A more balanced approach focused on humanitarian aid and legal resolution is necessary.
I can LEGALLY climb to the top of the Drakensberg; should I neglect to take enough sustenance with me, there is no obligation on the authorities to 'rescue' me
The whole point on cutting off supplies is to force them to resurface. We cannot risk sending enforcement into these mines du to their instability and the illegal miners themselves are known to carry heavy weapons. They should come out when they release their food is out
@@alankennedy1742 Regardless of whether an activity is legal or not, rescue authorities have a moral and often legal obligation to provide assistance in life-threatening situations. Comparing legal mountain climbing to illegal mining overlooks the broader principle that human lives deserve protection, irrespective of the circumstances.
@@kyslasher6830 Cutting off food and water supplies to force miners to resurface is inhumane and places lives at risk. These individuals are often trapped in precarious, unhealthy conditions due to desperation, not criminal intent. Denying basic sustenance exacerbates their suffering and violates humanitarian principles.
@OratiloeKhumalo Not "miners" they are "illegal miners" and literally had the option of coming out on their own when they realized their supplies where cut off. Five others resurfaced and where detained. We are talking about criminals who choose not to face the law so why should we then risk more lives to feed them?
criminals are no mine workers lol this journalist is a hired GUN!
Ayi boo abantu laba
Such a useless government. Legalize informal mining, Motsepe made billions buying abandoned mines. If not hold those companies accountable for not having rehabilitated the mines which was suppose to be done already.
Which law allows that? Talk is cheap
Why would you want to legalize informal mining? If people want to mine we already have the legal channels to purchase abandoned mines like you mentioned.
Mabafele khona lopho 😂😂😂
Jesus Christ died on the cross for our salvation,justification. Ask him to forgive ur sins and welcome u into his kingdom
I think your spelling needs attention.
Akulona iphutha labantu ababhajwe emgodini leli elikahulumeni ocareless
but these same guys shoot the police 😂
It can't be that the was can't take its course... No where in the world can illiagle people can enter a country and mine minerals as they please... It's an lawful... If the law of the country is not uphold as it's the same as illegal spasa shops.... People do as they please
This police officer can be my girlfriend ❤
Beauty but skin deeper is not everything you see on street is beautiful
Am I mistaken, or is the brigadier of SAPS wearing false eyelashes? Surely inappropriate for an officer in uniform?
Yes totally false 😂
Very well spoken and intelligent though.
She's a spokesperson, not an officer
@@lama3469interesting, as she was introduced as Brigadier, which surely makes her an officer?
@helengrant8708 appointments are cheap these days.