Comparing National to Decentralized
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Vlog 18 October 2023 | A #lawenforcement episode from Nicaragua. How decentralized police force in the United States behaves compared to a national federal police force in Nicaragua. #unitedstates Local laws vs national laws, judiciary, judges, crime, courts and more. Two very different systems. #centralamerica
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I agree. I prefer a National Police over the many different police , State Troopers, Highway Patrol, county Sheriffs, village police, etc etc. it’s redundant and not cost effective. The law should be the same everywhere.
Canada, as an example, has both federal officers (RCMP) & provincial forces which can then be split into cities and regions (municipal/local/city police). Cities can have RCMP and/or local police. It seems to work well, without much corruption. yes, our current government is corrupt but we like our police. We’ve never had any issues in Nica, it surprised us at first how often you see them but we quickly got used to being pulled over often and for no reason (so far, the car trap style). we call that a road block btw. they’ve always been quick and friendly. Another great video. Thanks!
Scott, what's your take on the US concept "you're innocent until proven guilty?" Great topic!
This is going to be the topic for tomorrow. So be sure to tune in at 7am!!
Morning Scott! Nothing like talk of decentralized police over coffee. Cheers!
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Dude, Nicaragua has a population of 6 million, the US, 333 million. The only way a national police would make sense in the US is if the US turns into a repressive police state and if you think there is corruption at the decentralized level, just imagine what the corruption would be if the police in the US is just under the control of Washington, D.C. Also, the police in Nicaragua is essentially a private police for the dictators, their goal is political control not law and order. By the way, I was born and raised in Nicaragua and have lived in the US for the last 44 years.
There is a common approach to government to say "If there is X problem, then we should not fix Y problem." Yes, the US is super corrupt, more than anyplace I've ever seen, to a point where Americans don't even know what government corruption is, they confuse it with just "government". But the government uses that to convince the public to then move government agencies and functions away from solid oversight and accountability by making it seem like "central government" is bad and alternatives are good. But just because the entire system, and not just the edges, are incompetent and corrupt, doesn't mean that it justifies bad governance. That's actually the corruption's propaganda engine. They want you to think that the central government, with very high public oversight, is "too incompetent" so you get the public to vote or push for decentralization - which is just a means of removing governance, visibility and accountability.
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Great points all. You are so right about the abundance of laws in the US and the variable rules depending on where are. You’re right, we are all criminals. And the police corruption in America is getting way out of control. And in many cases the cops don’t even know the laws that they are enforcing. I don’t have any experience living in Nicaragua but, I find it funny when an American says they would never live in Central America because of the corruption. Between the growing police state and the horrible health care system, the US is increasing becoming a place I don’t want to be.
Having lived in both places, the degree of corruption in the US is staggering. I've lived all over the world and I've never encountered any country where people were so impacted day to day by corruption like in the US. It's so pervasive that some of the worst corruption in the world isn't even noticed. Americans are so "frog in the boiling water" about corruption that they can't recognize it at all.
Barely qualified people way over their head is completely wrong. Most people don't get into Law Enforcement for the money, but they do need to feed their family. Honestly most police in the USA vs police in Nicaragua are FAR more qualified with thousands of hours more training. It's not even a comparison.
Officers being shuffled around as needed in an area as large as the USA would never allow the officers to really learn the local area (to know what appears normal or not). There is a huge benefit to an officer being really familiar with the local area... 3 AM in the morning, he or she knows if that grey van outside the business belongs or not. A national police force in the USA would be a huge disaster.
I don't agree. I think a national police force really has no downsides. It's true that a national police force CAN move people around dramatically, but the ability to do so and actually doing so are two different things. Having local administration, local laws, and a lack of oversight is essentially a system built for bad outcomes - it comes from towns, states and other jurisdictions not trusting each other and being adversarial or worse. It has no logical benefits, and it creates structures where you get no effective oversight or protection. You might even see things like unions being formed as a response to a lack of proper management because you don't have the ability for the best to rise to the top outside of isolated large forces, but rather you'll see a lot more "who is related to who, who knows who, who gets voted in" rather than a national professional system where there is oversight. Compare to a military, imagine if every village, county and state ran their own militaries often with just 2-15 members. Basically they'd never or rarely have general or colonel level people making decisions; you'd be stuck almost exclusively with low level oversight in most jurisdictions and you can imagine how badly that would go for a military. A police force is more disciplined and the effect is lessened, but the effect remains. Everyone in the US encounters police forces that use "knowing local people" as a means of determining who will be prosecuted and who won't. Having connections or making friends goes really far in small towns because there is little oversight; good old boys with favors to be pulled get treated commonly very different than other people.
Shuffling is a different thing. And clearly you wouldn't shuffle someone from California to Connecticut. But moving between towns or cities where culture remains generally uniform to allow for a greater amount of cross training, breaking of rigid command structure situations (one bad commanding officer can't easily ruin a good officer's career or hold them back when others say that they are good), and reduces people from becoming beholden to powerful or rich locals who accumulate favours or influence.
Sure, knowing a van is out of place is nice. But how long does it take being on a beat to get to know those things, especially given that what is out of place is often out of place anywhere, and that things change all of the time. As soon as someone buys a new van, it'll appear out of place until you get used to it. That definitely has value, but you have to weigh that value against time (shuffled police still learn those things, just more than once) and against all of the other values.
But most importantly, I think, is that a decentralized police force puts police officers at much greater risk. More risk of losing their jobs for reasons that they don't control, more risk of being stuck playing political games instead of being rewarded or protected for doing their jobs, reduces the funding available for their compensation packages, more risk of being exposed to corruption. No system is perfect, but the US decentralized model appears to have no benefits to the populace OR to police. Everyone loses except for small jurisdiction administration that can take advantages of the cracks in the system, or union organizers who use the flawed system as a way to create new businesses to make money from what should go to police salaries instead.
For sure having big budgets for training and using them for that is a huge benefit to any police force. And it is sad that Nicaragua lacks the financial resources to do that. If the comparison is US vs Nicaraguan training then certainly the US has a massive advantage there. Same goes for equipment.
But in theory the US could have much better training, much better equipment, better salaries (just a little better) and better working conditions by shifting to a national structure. It would reduce the administrative manpower needed by leaps and bounds allowing for budgets to go to police, rather than to politics.
@@ScottAlanMillerVlog Probably would lead to less pay. Right now, police departments compete for officers and HAVE to pay more to retain quality officers. A national police force makes a monopoly and since police can't strike, they would probably be paid less. I'm not saying there aren't benefits. I'm just saying if you look at the efficiency of ANY large organization in the federal government it's usually a crap show.
The US takes a weird approach to government. It's a circular argument. The government is bad, so we do things inefficiently to avoid the inefficient government. There is a logic to it, but it's like Shadow IT. Sounds good, but means the opportunity to do it well is lost. The first step is to make the structure good, then go after bloat and corruption once designed to weed it out.
That said, the US has extremely few federal level programs and those that they have are rarely seen as problems. Maybe they aren't the most efficient, but they are rarely that bad. The system most famous for inefficiency is also non-federal decentralized... healthcare. Every little office and private company and city runs some level of it themselves with essentially nothing at the federal level. The government pushes a narrative, hard, that centralization would lead to worse results - but globally that is essentially never true and even in the US, I think examples of that are sparse. It's said often, but nearly all government inefficiency is in decentralized arenas.
As far as a monopoly goes... the government isn't a business. Or if you want to look at it through a lens of a business, it's product isn't profits but value to the populace. Making salaries super low isn't sensible for that end and isn't reflected in any federal pay structures. If anything, federal employees seem to be dramatically overpaid, not underpaid, for what they are expected to do. There isn't a need to have departments compete for salaries against each other when you have a good national payscale that's available to all evenly based on performance or job role.
As a comparison, in 2020 the national average salary for police was $67,600, which is $15,000 above national salary average. The highest state was California at $105,220 (which is clearly not enough to move out of your tent under the highway there.) But the average federal employee's compensation is $143K. That doesn't mean that police would be paid as highly as the federal average, but it is highly suggestive that federal salaries tend to be much higher than non-federal government salaries.
Nonsense
Funny that you say that on like the SAME DAY that Maine was unable to stop a known mass shooting subject from BUYING THE WEAPONS USED IN A MASS SHOOTING because of the inability for different layers of law enforcement to coordinate. The Federal police didn't get the info needed from state police and the military due to the decentralization. So I think the ability to make your point doesn't exist. You couldn't have picked a worst day to claim it was nonesense, on the very day of the most extreme example of the failures of the decentralized design.
It's people thinking that common sense is nonsense that helps lead to the ipotence of law enforcement and puts people at risk. We can't stop using our brains when it comes to public safety.