The video is so helpful considering we are making the switch to co2 boost control with the Holley. You should make a video of how to wire them to the Holley and what pins and I/os to use
Very informative, enjoyed this video. Absolutely correct about the first half of the 1/4, it is what makes the Dodge Demon such a monster, Dodge really took their time when it came that portion of the car and it shows.
Thank you for all these how to and info videos because I am doing a boosted application on my tC and I am learning as I go. This really takes a lot of guess work put.
Just now watched this vlog. Question for you cuz I’m still learning this. I know you stated you start this with a well tuned engine. We are starting to add sensors so I can see what the engine is doing during a pass, starting with afr sensors in our collectors. What is the difference in ratio you want to stay within on AFR’s between the left/right side? I noticed on your log it appears your left to right is approx .5 different. Again I’m learning and trying to make sure we are keeping everything within the proper parameters to ensure we are getting everything we can. We don’t run any power adders, just run a bbc carbureted on E85 and have no sensors anywhere currently other than temps. Currently installing bungs for afr sensors and an MSD 6AL-2 programmable ignition box.
Probably would be nice to have another a video like this but the more basic or beginner set up without a boost control just springs how to route a turbo kit basic functions of the gates while it being in the system and blow valves that I think a bunch more people would relate to including me that really dont race in the quarter mile and just drives in the streets and freeway
Yeah I bought a boost controller from Ali at the time I did not know what type of controller I need it so I trust it the guy at Holly point me in the right direction I told him I had a simple Mustang 302 Turbo sure enough he sells me their most expensive high flow boost controller over $300 after months of trying to get the boost Control to work with no CO2 bottle I was unsuccessful so now months have gone by and I have learned more about boost control setups I have to purchase one from motion raceworks. I love Holly stuff but I do not like some of their tech support most of them don't know what the hell they're talking about there is like two people there that are good now this is with my experience
Nice video!! I'm looking to buy your co2 kit, is there any specials going on right now? What all comes with the kit? I have a megasquirt 2pimp system, how can I set it up with that co2 kit? Thanks!
How closely does your boost datalog follow the dome pressure ramp? I'm running an S491/102 on a 5.3 vs. twins on a 388, so I'll have to figure out how responsive it will be to such an aggressive ramp. I'd like to leave on 10psi, and will be using a timing ramp as necessary while dialing in the suspension. I'm thinking even if I ask for 20 pounds of dome at 1.0 seconds, I might not get the boost number I'm looking for. Off to test! Thanks guys.
New to boost. How you’re basing this off of the transbrake, what about footbraking? I have a transbrake but didn’t use it much as NA. So now that I’m going boost I was going to stick with the footbrake for a while. So is this all still applied to that?
Hi Doug...just found your channel and have started watching. I have a lot to catch up on. It seemed that this was more for a turbo than a supercharger but since boost is boost, how do you factor in the shift changes where there is potential for the tires breaking loose? Do you hold back on the boost to get the nice smooth curve shown in the vid or do you reduce the boost at the shift and then bring it back onto the increasing curve. My datalogs make me believe that Dodge cuts boost (open the bypass) on the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts but it may just be the way I am driving. I had not thought about logging G-Force. I am going to have to work on that one. Thanks
What do you do if you feel that the Mac valves don’t fill some fast enough. If you have your time table at transbake dome straight to full boost no ramp but still feel like dome don’t feel like feels up fast enough
This is a problem sometimes when you dont have onboard pressure source (like C02) and you have to lead the requested dome pressure sometimes - or even when guys do have C02 and set their regulators too high (the valves dont like to open against really high cracking pressure) I like to use 2 3port solenoids to do what is normally done with a 4 port because the shuttle valve has to travel half the distance to do the job which can only help response as well
I have seen some youtube channels where they had MAC valves fail. I work with them in industry and when they cycle literally 9,000 times in 24 hours they last years IF they have the proper support. I wonder if any of you folks ever lube your mac valves ?? Typically in an industrial system an air oiler is in the system. There are special oil free valves and cylinders but they are pretty expensive. I would think a drop of air tool oil every now and then would see to it that a MAC valve on a race car would live literally forever ? Another pro tip is that any low voltage (non 120V) mac valve is in fact a "pilot operated valve" and that seems to be the portion that fails. When this happens the valve MAY work fine when you manually toggle it. Pilot operated just means that the valve uses supply gas pressure to help shift the spool for those that do not know :-).
Good info! And good questions. I think another problem is there are some knockoff brand Mac valves going around as well. Most of the failures we see when people call are from the customers buying generic or from unknown sources that are selling knockoffs.
@@MotionRaceworksOfficial Another crazy thing to think about/remember with CO2 is that is is actually soluble in some kinds of rubber, friend found that out with butyl rubber bicycle inner tubes. Should not matter with O-rings but it might drive you nuts with some other stuff :-). I would think that the included lube that comes in your MAC valves from the factory might last the lifetime of one on a race car maybe. But if there are any failures I would lube them once a season maybe.
A tech tip about drag aero would be really useful. Specifically explaining when and why you need a rear wing like the one you installed last week.
Caltrac rear suspension tuning video would be nice
Thanks for dropping knowledge. I dont have a turbo vehicle but I enjoy learning and storing stuff into my brain.
Thank you for today’s edition of the Tech Tip Tuesday video.
Of course! Hope it helps!
Your so good at breaking stuff down man thanks
The video is so helpful considering we are making the switch to co2 boost control with the Holley. You should make a video of how to wire them to the Holley and what pins and I/os to use
Very informative, enjoyed this video. Absolutely correct about the first half of the 1/4, it is what makes the Dodge Demon such a monster, Dodge really took their time when it came that portion of the car and it shows.
I'm new to the fuel injection tuning. Love the tech tips.
Good video, some more boost tuning videos, maybe with track footage/slo-mo and showing the boost curve changes would be awesome.
Very informative video! Any chance you could make a video on how you use timing to control power, while also using this strategy?
Great video Doug, I learned a lot, thanks
Best video yet..very educated
Thank you for all these how to and info videos because I am doing a boosted application on my tC and I am learning as I go. This really takes a lot of guess work put.
Thank you. Would like to see how you set up closed loop boost control with the Holley. Along with the PID settings.
My build is on the way and like all the videos learning from u friend
Good video, With this type of setup what are some good P.I.D. numbers..
Best vid so far man
Thank you!
Just now watched this vlog. Question for you cuz I’m still learning this. I know you stated you start this with a well tuned engine. We are starting to add sensors so I can see what the engine is doing during a pass, starting with afr sensors in our collectors. What is the difference in ratio you want to stay within on AFR’s between the left/right side? I noticed on your log it appears your left to right is approx .5 different. Again I’m learning and trying to make sure we are keeping everything within the proper parameters to ensure we are getting everything we can. We don’t run any power adders, just run a bbc carbureted on E85 and have no sensors anywhere currently other than temps. Currently installing bungs for afr sensors and an MSD 6AL-2 programmable ignition box.
Great video. Love the channel please keep them coming
Very good info Doug
Great video, do you ever pull timing from say the hit. That would be a great video. Thanks
Probably would be nice to have another a video like this but the more basic or beginner set up without a boost control just springs how to route a turbo kit basic functions of the gates while it being in the system and blow valves that I think a bunch more people would relate to including me that really dont race in the quarter mile and just drives in the streets and freeway
We do, check our old videos
Thank you for this video!
Great video Doug !!!
Thanks!
Thoughts on controlling wheel speed with timing vs boost, I am on AMS2000 and using boost only.
Yeah I bought a boost controller from Ali at the time I did not know what type of controller I need it so I trust it the guy at Holly point me in the right direction I told him I had a simple Mustang 302 Turbo sure enough he sells me their most expensive high flow boost controller over $300 after months of trying to get the boost Control to work with no CO2 bottle I was unsuccessful so now months have gone by and I have learned more about boost control setups I have to purchase one from motion raceworks. I love Holly stuff but I do not like some of their tech support most of them don't know what the hell they're talking about there is like two people there that are good now this is with my experience
awesome video
Show how to adjust PID settings
Thanks for posting this video! The info I been looking for👍
Great info! Thanks for the video.
Nice video!! I'm looking to buy your co2 kit, is there any specials going on right now? What all comes with the kit? I have a megasquirt 2pimp system, how can I set it up with that co2 kit? Thanks!
How closely does your boost datalog follow the dome pressure ramp? I'm running an S491/102 on a 5.3 vs. twins on a 388, so I'll have to figure out how responsive it will be to such an aggressive ramp. I'd like to leave on 10psi, and will be using a timing ramp as necessary while dialing in the suspension. I'm thinking even if I ask for 20 pounds of dome at 1.0 seconds, I might not get the boost number I'm looking for. Off to test! Thanks guys.
New to boost.
How you’re basing this off of the transbrake, what about footbraking?
I have a transbrake but didn’t use it much as NA. So now that I’m going boost I was going to stick with the footbrake for a while. So is this all still applied to that?
Dudes, we gotta get this guy some new scissors...
Joshua Coughlin nothing is safe with the amount of dogs we are here! Haha, everything is a chew toy if it’s anywhere within reach
How about timing down the track
Hi Doug...just found your channel and have started watching. I have a lot to catch up on. It seemed that this was more for a turbo than a supercharger but since boost is boost, how do you factor in the shift changes where there is potential for the tires breaking loose? Do you hold back on the boost to get the nice smooth curve shown in the vid or do you reduce the boost at the shift and then bring it back onto the increasing curve. My datalogs make me believe that Dodge cuts boost (open the bypass) on the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts but it may just be the way I am driving. I had not thought about logging G-Force. I am going to have to work on that one. Thanks
Any G-Meter recommendations? I'm on an MS3.
Thanks for the video
This is the pro version or what price point?
Why the CO2 with the controller? Sorry I'm a noob to Boost life but want to boost my Silvy SS 6.0
Would a boost by time strategy work for a manual transmission car
509CAMARO depends if it is clutch less or not, for a clutch car sometimes a boost by gear works best.
So are you running no waste gate spring so the dome pressure will equal the boost pressure?
We run the smallest spring possible 3-4 psi with co2
What do you do if you feel that the Mac valves don’t fill some fast enough. If you have your time table at transbake dome straight to full boost no ramp but still feel like dome don’t feel like feels up fast enough
This is a problem sometimes when you dont have onboard pressure source (like C02) and you have to lead the requested dome pressure sometimes - or even when guys do have C02 and set their regulators too high (the valves dont like to open against really high cracking pressure)
I like to use 2 3port solenoids to do what is normally done with a 4 port because the shuttle valve has to travel half the distance to do the job which can only help response as well
For a car like the nova, do you think boost by speed would be better? Like ruby
I don’t think so.
I have seen some youtube channels where they had MAC valves fail. I work with them in industry and when they cycle literally 9,000 times in 24 hours they last years IF they have the proper support. I wonder if any of you folks ever lube your mac valves ?? Typically in an industrial system an air oiler is in the system. There are special oil free valves and cylinders but they are pretty expensive. I would think a drop of air tool oil every now and then would see to it that a MAC valve on a race car would live literally forever ? Another pro tip is that any low voltage (non 120V) mac valve is in fact a "pilot operated valve" and that seems to be the portion that fails. When this happens the valve MAY work fine when you manually toggle it. Pilot operated just means that the valve uses supply gas pressure to help shift the spool for those that do not know :-).
Good info! And good questions. I think another problem is there are some knockoff brand Mac valves going around as well. Most of the failures we see when people call are from the customers buying generic or from unknown sources that are selling knockoffs.
@@MotionRaceworksOfficial Another crazy thing to think about/remember with CO2 is that is is actually soluble in some kinds of rubber, friend found that out with butyl rubber bicycle inner tubes. Should not matter with O-rings but it might drive you nuts with some other stuff :-). I would think that the included lube that comes in your MAC valves from the factory might last the lifetime of one on a race car maybe. But if there are any failures I would lube them once a season maybe.
lots of knock offs out there now, but also a car that sees the elements, high humidity yes they can get crummy and leaky/sticky
Are you able to do this threw Holley terminator x efi?
Yes
Coooool
Do a launch retard video