Do you really not like Rumple that much that you'll support a woman who shamed her husband and then abandoned him and her child, you say Rumple is a good for nothing but Milah was weak and cheap
as he should that woman left him and her son for a darn pirate. not only that but left without no explanation to her son and just made it so that Rumple could go throgh the talk of why his mother left him. As he should she was such a self-centered annoying bitch. Sorry lol but its facts
Had Milah came back for Balefire Rumple would have had less of an argument here. He was more upset about her leaving their son than he was about he leaving him. He has always been a good father. Sure he chose power over his son but shit both his parents did the same to him and balefire chose his life over henry it's in their blood. One thing that always remained the same tho was Rumple did everything he could to come back and find his son
@@Riskofrain527 excuse me but even when he found out about Henry he didn't really spend time with him!He was either busy trying to get into Emma's pants or with Tamara,and on the rare occaison being with HIS dad.Yes he did spend time with Henry but it wasn't exactly much.
@@archangel6174 And pretend to love Rumpel their entire marriage, and said she wished he died, and wanted to kill a man to save their son, and when Rumple found another way wasn't grateful that their son was saved, and after she ran off with Hook probably forgot she had a son in the first place.
Honestly her leaving with Hook was the least of it for me. She was downright abusive and constantly ableist towards Rumple, always treating him horribly because of his leg. Imagine walking for days on a broken leg, holding on by thinking you'll be going home to a place where you'll feel safe and loved, only to find that the person who is supposed to care about you is screaming abuse at you. Hook and Regina changed and became better people which is why I can forgive them. While she may have tried to make up for abandoning Bae she was still cruel when she and Rumple reunited. It's her constant ableism that I hate. She also shouldn't have abandoned Bae and if they ever came back to get him it would have been wrong of her to take him away from Rumple, at least before he became The Dark One. They certainly shouldn't have stayed married, Rumple should have left her. But Bae should have been able to stay in contact with her. Could she have redeemed herself? Of course. Did she? No.
I think he hurt his leg on purpose so he won't face the ogres. Rumplestiltskein killed the maid who was mute. That is kind of ableist don't you think? He turned a man into a snail then squished him over a grazed knee. Everyone was "abusing" rumple, they all saw him as a coward until he became the dark one.
@lauraauty7387 His fate wpuld have been to LITERALLY die & leave his child FATHERLESS, like he was Yes he joined the war for glory or whatever, but he got shown the reality And was terrified of it
@@lauraauty7387 That is indeed the case, but that doesn't mean Milah was right to treat him that way. In a marriage they say "in good times and in bad, in sickness and in health" and what had happened was the bad times. And then she also behaves like a coward, given that she mistreated her husband and abandoned her son just because she gave weight to what others thought of her. In fact, let's remember that Bae never complained about his father before he became the Dark One. So the problem was only in Milah's head.
Rumple: “I want you alive, because I want you to suffer. Like I did. Giggles” 2:20 Everything rumple did in this scene is so dark but I totally relate with what he did, and hook really had it coming.
and i have 3 disney songs for them A Goofy Movie:Noboby Else but You Aladdin and the King of Thieves:Father and Son disney Descendants 3 : Do What You Gotta Do
Well if you never loved him, then why’d you marry him, lady?! You knew who he was and what he went through his whole life, yet you married him and was super toxic to him!
I think she legitimately loved him at first but they only stayed together because of Baefire, and after he broke his own leg so he couldn't fight in the ogre Wars
She deserved suffering not dead but heavy suffering for leave her son and tell his dad that she had a son with a man without love that man! Horrible woman
I really disliked Milah I mean what kind of mother chooses to leave her child like that (I'm not even meaning snow white and prince charming there situation was so different) but what frustrates me even more is how she is actually smiling and walking towards Killian and she didn't even bother to ask about her son. She really is a terrible mother and she even said she let her misery go is that including her son, was she also miserable, because of her son. And how dare she say that rumple was a coward, yes he may have cheated the ogre war's, but he did it for his son. He didn't want his son growing up without a father like he did. Milah is so selfish and never deserved to be a mother
The fact that she stopped loving him because he was considered a "coward" for choosing to live and be with his family is beyond me. She would rather he die and be considered a hero for it than him live and be there for his family. And let's face it, it really didn't take much for her to allow Killian to bed her and take her way. She was easy and if she would have lived Killian probably would have left her at some point without a second thought.
the thing more satisfying than this, is the fact that Rumple didn't give a shit about her, no longer even hated her and literally saw her as nothing, worthless and cheap! something Milah really was and anyone in Rumple's place would react the same way to their abuser.
@@ernestoagapitogarcesconyad1710 there's no need for an obtrusive like you in my comments and what ever insult you try to use, is yourself and the bitch you're defending
@@soixsantes She left her son . Yes she desrves to find happiness but what kind of person just up and leaves their own child bc they didn't love their partner anymore , and she told Killian she loved him in front of Rumple breaking his heart for the second time (srry if my eng sucks)
Rumple may have been a coward at certain points in his life. But when he made those choices he did it to benefit for his son more so than himself. Milah though only cared for her own happiness. I mean if she really did love Bellfire than she would've taken him with her or something. But no. Hell, even before Rumple asked her about abandoning Bae, she didn't asked about him at all. Kinda shows you that while Rumple definitely made questionable choices, he did it for his son. Milah is just outright selfish and cheap.
Plus we only ever actually have her word that she's genuinely regretful. If she really gave a damn about Bae her ACTIONS would have shown it. She was only trying to placate Rumple and save her own ass.
Like we have to take Rumple's word he cares about his son and so on and so forth. This shit can go on for a long time. Logic does not exist in Once Upon A Time. The amount of times I was about to say something when Regina would blame everyone but herself, I stop then say fairytale creatures have no sense.
@@lauraauty7387 We do not _just_ have Rumpel's word on caring about Baelfire, though, we have his actions. He regretted letting Bae go the moment he was goner, and *_everything_* he does from that point on, including him trying to get the bean here, is to find his son again and to make up for it
I agree, seeing Rumple killing Milah was very satisfying. It also was when he pushed her down into the River of Souls. After everything she has said and done to Rumple and Baelfire, she had no right to all of a sudden to act like she cared. Milah had no reason to be who she became, she was just a toxic rotten piece of shit, who got what she deserved.
I don’t know if we’re supposed to like Milah but I can’t forgive or like a woman who abandoned her own son. it’s not about her leaving Rumplestiltskin, and I don’t think he cares about it either, it was about her abandoning her own son.
I don’t understand what we are supposed to feel for her either. I personally can’t stand her and the whole situation doesn’t even make sense to me. Why couldn’t she of just said to Rumple that she’s was unhappy and that she has met someone else and then talked about how they were going to bring up bae. Say she wanted to travel for a long time at least say goodbye to her child and say that she loved him and will come back so see him again. The fact that she never even thought about her child or even asked about him here is truly fucked up. Also it really annoys me how ouat fans overlook Hooks part in all this. As someone who was abandoned by one of his parents himself, why would he fall in love with such a terrible thoughtless mother? It’s weird to me. I don’t know how he couldn’t put himself in baes shoes and think how he would feel if his mother did that to him. I hate Hook and Milah they are the worst characters and the fact that this show wants me to feel for them is a laugh!
Okay, but let's review this scenario and all those involved. Keep in mind that when it comes to Hook, I'm talking about the person he was at THIS particular point in the show not the person he became later on in the show. First there's Milah. Milah was a woman who CLAIMED to love Rumple despite people's accusations of him being a coward just like his father, even saying that he didn't have anything to prove to anyone and didn't want him to fight in the Ogre wars. Then after he deliberately cripples himself so that he doesn't have to fight because he was afraid of dying on the battlefield (pretty drastic of an action, but I can see where he's coming from), she accuses him of being a coward and says that she hates him (could easily be argued that this was in the heat of the moment but I don't think it truly was), and that it would've been better if he had died because then she would've had the honor of being a widow. I'm sorry, but wasn't this the very thing that she had been afraid of when he first ANNOUNCED his intentions of fighting? You can't have it both ways, lady. While their son Baelfire is growing up, it's Rumplestiltskin who's looking after him and taking care of the farm while Milah's at a tavern----working, yes, but also hitting up every man she sees, trying to find a way out of her life with Rumple and Baelfire. Then she meets Captain Hook. She starts flirting with him, disparages Rumple, agrees to run off with him, with no thought of Baelfire, which is further evidenced later on Hook's ship when she doesn't seem to want Hook to go back for Baelfire, preferring to just live her life on a ship playing pirate. Then there's Hook: a pirate who loves to pillage, plunder, rape, and murder (his enjoyment of this is even sung about in Season 6's musical). He flirts with Milah, and when he finds out that she's in fact MARRIED when Rumplestiltskin comes after them, instead of being a man and apologizing to Rumple and admitting his mistake, he goads Rumple into a fight and enjoys humiliating a crippled man by stealing his wife, and then has the AUDACITY to act like the affronted party when Rumple comes back as the Dark One to reclaim his wife. Let's look at Rumple, shall we? At the start of this particular story, he's a man who's doing his best to overcome the reputation of the man who abandoned him to be a child forever, and felt like he HAD to fight in a war he probably didn't really believe in to gain acceptance. When he signed up to fight, he was proud of himself and went to show off to Milah, who reacts angrily, telling him he's a fool and that he's sentenced her to live the wife of a widow. In ONE moment of fear---which does NOT make him a coward---he makes the drastic decision to lame himself so that his son wouldn't grow up without a father. As stated above, Milah then turns on him, calling him a coward and saying that it was better if he had died. Again, lady, you can't have things both ways. After the birth of their son, Rumple does his best to take care of both their farm and their son while Milah's at the tavern. He's devoted to Baelfire, taking care of him to the best of his abilities. When Milah is supposedly taken captive by Hook, Rumple goes looking for her and tries to get her back, ending up humiliated at the hands of the man who STOLE HIS WIFE. When he comes back as the Dark One, they argue about the fact that she left them, and it's only after that she states that she never loved him does he rip her heart out and crush it. This is a crime of passion while the actions of Hook and Milah are deliberate.
I totally agree. I’ve never liked Hook all through out the show. He’s so arrogant, creepy and selfish. His character ruined the whole show for me. I have absolutely no idea what Emma saw in him, he helped ruin her character too. One thing I really don’t understand is how someone who was abandoned as a child could possibly fall in love with a monster like Milan. I know he wasn’t the best person at the time but wtf I makes no sense that he loved her so much considering how she treated her child. I don’t think he deserved a happy end at all and I think it’s disturbing that this family tv show is promoting characters like him 🤮
I completely agree, I never liked Hook because of this, and the fact that Emma didn't end up with Neal but with this gross guy instead kinda made me stop watching. Ik that's a little stupid but the show had nothing really great going for it and I was REALLY ROOTING FOR NEAL.
Thank you! I never understood how anyone could justify calling Hook or Milah “victims” when one challenged an old, CRIPPLED man to a fight and the other was an abusive, cheating wife and neglectful mother.
If on the one hand it is understandable that Rumple killed Milah after what she did to him, on the other, if he had not done so, he would have had the magic bean, and he would have rejoined his son much earlier.
He murdered her not killed. Did she do anything deserving of death? No. If she had he could've arrested her and brought her in for trial, but he has no right to deal out executions. Was she a threat that had to be eliminated before it caused further harm? No. That's the only reason he could have been morally justified in killing her himself. If I were a judge and he was arrested and brought to me for sentencing I would have him executed for murder.
@@samuelmowery1323 Technically, I remind you that she had become a pirate, so she was a criminal. And then it's not a trivial thing that has always looked down on top, and has incessantly insulted him since he was branded a coward. And remember that she also abandoned their son. She had promised that she would resist for his good, and instead she broke that promise after not even a day. Does this seem like a trivial thing for a mother to abandon her child just to escape her problems? So regardless of whether she deserved it or not, what happened to her was still a consequence of her actions. That of Rumple was only the gesture of a unhappy man disappointed by life. And you can't bully someone over and over again using moralism as a shield.
@@lpallad1 Rumplestiltskin just left the rest of the pirates to commit crimes. If he cared about justice he would use his dark one powers to arrest them and if they fought back then he could kill them unless they surrendered at some point in the fight. He's a murderer and nothing more. Despite what she did, what he did is worse.
I wished this scene had actually properly broken down what the difference was between Rumpel and Milah regarding Baelfire so there is no wiggle room to be hypocritical about it. In the end of the day both of them abandoned their son and let him go, they just did it in very different ways and circumstances. In this regard they're both equals. The difference though is that the moment Rumpelstilzchen let Bae go and failed him he not only immediately regreted it he's also moving heaven and earth to make up for it and reach him in the new land. The very magical bean Milah held in her hands is the manifestation of the difference between them as parents. It's Rumpel's actual attempt to make up for how he failed as a parent, meanwhile Milah is keeping it from him and only has excuses to say for abandoning their son and never returning back home even though she had plenty of time to do so. I genuinely wished they had Rumpelstilzchen point this out, because thematically this is a valid reason to kill the other parent figure in the story. That he wants the bean because he, just like her, abandoned their son and failed him because he let his judgment get clouded by his own misery too and that's how he ended up as Dark One. Rumpel ultimately failed their son as the Dark One, Milah ultimately failed him as a pirate. As parents they ARE equals, two sides of the same coin. But UNLIKE her he is now HERE meeting her because that's where fate brought him on his way to find Baelfire. Rumpelstilzchen is willing to face the consequences for his cowardly actions, but Milah is now here because she is a coward too but lacked the bravery to face that and do what is needed to make up for it. That's the difference. This whole situation was so interesting to watch, I genuinely truly wished they had made it come full circle and made clear for good what the ONE factor was that put Rumpel above Milah with no grey area about it.
@@SethBrundleify Agreed. Did he crush his own leg when he was going for war? Yes. But he did it so his son wouldn't grow up without a father, not because he was afraid of being killed in battle. And to shatter your own leg with a masive mallet? That takes guts of bravery.
@@obsessedwithtvseriesx Abandoning his son was an impulse, not a choice. And after that has come to him the hindsight. And his ex-wife was the one who started this hostility, abusing him for years for his act of cowardice.
@@obsessedwithtvseriesx She continually insulted him, mistreated him psychologically for years, criticized him because he didn't want to commit murder. And then she's very hypocritical for complaining because Rumple didn't want to die, calling him a coward, and then doing the same when she ran away with Hook because she cared about what other people think. You can't tell someone to die like it's no big deal, or tell him to face his fears if you're the one who doesn't first. And we saw that Bae didn't think anything bad about his father before he became the dark one. So the real problem was only in her head. Rumple may have made mistakes, but it's not his fault that Milah was a pretentious woman who always saw the glass as half empty. And then I remind you that Milah had become a pirate. So she has definitely killed people too. We don't see her when she does it, but she sure did. And then Rumple doesn't hate her because she abandoned him, but for abandoning their son. And her criticism is fair because, whatever he had done, their son did not deserve to pay for his mistakes.
@@chaosspy6723no, he saw a little boy call out for “Mama” while entertaining her at the bar, and she responded to the call and left with the child and another man. He knew he was being a homewrecker, but seduced her anyway. This kind of thing is why it’s incomprehensible to me that he was made into the show’s protagonist’s love interest. He was never worthy of Emma, not once.
@12classics39 I think even the show writers forgot that part. they make it a core value that even evil hook wouldn't separate a child from its father especially in season 7. Also Emma and the rest of the town just let Graham die and forgot he existed. the good guys were just as bad as the villains in the worst way. personally, I would never give up my newborn baby to save a kingdom but that's just me.
Whatever Hook, this woman abandon her family, and instead of being humble enough to accept the chasening from rumple about abandoning her son(note rumple did not bring up himself), she had to stick it to rumple... cant accept the fact she abandoned her son...
so u blame Hook on why Rumple is a coward he is??? and u blame Milah on being unhappy in a marriage with a man who doesn’t even treat her as a person???
@@obsessedwithtvseriesx I blame Hook for turning rumple into a villain. If he didn’t steal his wife, there could be a small chance for Rumple to remain a normal man. I don’t blame Milah on being in an unhappy marriage. But she could’ve just stay with her child. She didn’t have to run off with some guy and abandon her child. Yes rumple did abandoned his child, but he did everything to find him and apologize. And what did she do? She felt sorry.
While she was wrong to abandon her son the way she did, I dont blame her for following her heart. She fell in love. I wouldve gone about leaving a very different way than she did, and while she should get flak for it, she didnt deserve to have her heart crushed like that. This is just a no win situation
Because "there's still good in him. I've always seen it." No seriously because he is the best that's simple. Because personally I feel compassion for him, I always liked psychologically tortured characters #TeamRumple 😁
@@obsessedwithtvseriesxnah she left her son and didn’t even care about him. she literally forgot about her son, and refused to acknowledge him. #teambael
She totally forgot about her son. Didn't even ask about him lol why people simp for this woman is beyond me
is that you hate milah ?
Do you really not like Rumple that much that you'll support a woman who shamed her husband and then abandoned him and her child, you say Rumple is a good for nothing but Milah was weak and cheap
@@caldervitriolic2128 you are right, and rumple hate milah because than she gave them up him and baelfire
@@soixsantes English do you speak it?
@@jwill5892 in fact I am French but I speak also English
Her telling hook she loved him right in front of Rumple really sealed her fate!
yes, and that's why hook hates rumple
Yeah probably show her love for Hook and mockery toward Rumple right be she died..
as he should that woman left him and her son for a darn pirate. not only that but left without no explanation to her son and just made it so that Rumple could go throgh the talk of why his mother left him. As he should she was such a self-centered annoying bitch. Sorry lol but its facts
@@ailmeha1680 yes, milah has left her family to find another happiness
tapo jun abondening your child is unacceptable. especially when it involves leaving them for another man, a damn pirate 💀
Had Milah came back for Balefire Rumple would have had less of an argument here. He was more upset about her leaving their son than he was about he leaving him. He has always been a good father. Sure he chose power over his son but shit both his parents did the same to him and balefire chose his life over henry it's in their blood. One thing that always remained the same tho was Rumple did everything he could to come back and find his son
true, and baelfire is what than rumple loves the most in her life
@Erica Poitras to be fair tho...he never gave her the chance.
To be fair, Baelfire didn't know Emma was pregnant.
@@redhood1426 literally irrelevant. The point is that neal didn't know emma was pregnant and if he did he would've been there for henry.
@@Riskofrain527 excuse me but even when he found out about Henry he didn't really spend time with him!He was either busy trying to get into Emma's pants or with Tamara,and on the rare occaison being with HIS dad.Yes he did spend time with Henry but it wasn't exactly much.
Theres no way her heart is that light
LMAO for real
all she did was leave an unhappy marriage
She a bitch but dark hearts only happen to those with magic no matter how small
@@archangel6174 And pretend to love Rumpel their entire marriage, and said she wished he died, and wanted to kill a man to save their son, and when Rumple found another way wasn't grateful that their son was saved, and after she ran off with Hook probably forgot she had a son in the first place.
@@archangel6174 You sidestepped a lot of other actions it seems.
Honestly her leaving with Hook was the least of it for me. She was downright abusive and constantly ableist towards Rumple, always treating him horribly because of his leg. Imagine walking for days on a broken leg, holding on by thinking you'll be going home to a place where you'll feel safe and loved, only to find that the person who is supposed to care about you is screaming abuse at you. Hook and Regina changed and became better people which is why I can forgive them. While she may have tried to make up for abandoning Bae she was still cruel when she and Rumple reunited. It's her constant ableism that I hate. She also shouldn't have abandoned Bae and if they ever came back to get him it would have been wrong of her to take him away from Rumple, at least before he became The Dark One. They certainly shouldn't have stayed married, Rumple should have left her. But Bae should have been able to stay in contact with her. Could she have redeemed herself? Of course. Did she? No.
I agree with everything you said, you are right
I think he hurt his leg on purpose so he won't face the ogres. Rumplestiltskein killed the maid who was mute. That is kind of ableist don't you think? He turned a man into a snail then squished him over a grazed knee. Everyone was "abusing" rumple, they all saw him as a coward until he became the dark one.
@lauraauty7387
His fate wpuld have been to LITERALLY die & leave his child FATHERLESS, like he was
Yes he joined the war for glory or whatever, but he got shown the reality
And was terrified of it
@@lauraauty7387 That is indeed the case, but that doesn't mean Milah was right to treat him that way. In a marriage they say "in good times and in bad, in sickness and in health" and what had happened was the bad times. And then she also behaves like a coward, given that she mistreated her husband and abandoned her son just because she gave weight to what others thought of her. In fact, let's remember that Bae never complained about his father before he became the Dark One. So the problem was only in Milah's head.
Rumple: “I want you alive, because I want you to suffer. Like I did. Giggles” 2:20
Everything rumple did in this scene is so dark but I totally relate with what he did, and hook really had it coming.
Hook got off light, honestly.
He didn't do this for himself, he did this for his son, "How could you leave Bae?"
exactly, it was precisely for his son that he wanted to become the Dark One
and baelfire is what than rumple loves the most in his life
and i have 3 disney songs for them
A Goofy Movie:Noboby Else but You
Aladdin and the King of Thieves:Father and Son
disney Descendants 3 : Do What You Gotta Do
and if you are interested, I have other disney songs for other characters.
Well if you never loved him, then why’d you marry him, lady?! You knew who he was and what he went through his whole life, yet you married him and was super toxic to him!
Maybe it was an arranged marriage, idk or maybe she just said that to hurt him or she could have loved him before she realized he was a coward
I think she legitimately loved him at first but they only stayed together because of Baefire, and after he broke his own leg so he couldn't fight in the ogre Wars
That's when she stopped loving him
Or they just had a one-night stand and decided to get married after that because of baelfire
@@johnnyjohnny2990 i think than milah has really loved rumple before he hurt himself
The most enjoyable scene in the whole show
you have loved what in this scene ?
She deserved suffering not dead but heavy suffering for leave her son and tell his dad that she had a son with a man without love that man! Horrible woman
@@soixsantes The cowardly, cheating bitch of an egg donor getting exactly what she deserves?
I really disliked Milah I mean what kind of mother chooses to leave her child like that (I'm not even meaning snow white and prince charming there situation was so different) but what frustrates me even more is how she is actually smiling and walking towards Killian and she didn't even bother to ask about her son. She really is a terrible mother and she even said she let her misery go is that including her son, was she also miserable, because of her son. And how dare she say that rumple was a coward, yes he may have cheated the ogre war's, but he did it for his son. He didn't want his son growing up without a father like he did. Milah is so selfish and never deserved to be a mother
exactly you are right, she has abandoned rumple and baelfire for be with hook
The fact that she stopped loving him because he was considered a "coward" for choosing to live and be with his family is beyond me. She would rather he die and be considered a hero for it than him live and be there for his family. And let's face it, it really didn't take much for her to allow Killian to bed her and take her way. She was easy and if she would have lived Killian probably would have left her at some point without a second thought.
Let's say she didn't treat Killian the same way she treated Rumple simply because she hadn't had an excuse to do so yet.
the thing more satisfying than this, is the fact that Rumple didn't give a shit about her, no longer even hated her and literally saw her as nothing, worthless and cheap! something Milah really was and anyone in Rumple's place would react the same way to their abuser.
Yes she spent years emotionally abusing him and bringing him down this was so rewarding
this is something a psychopath says
Hell yes
@@ernestoagapitogarcesconyad1710 there's no need for an obtrusive like you in my comments and what ever insult you try to use, is yourself and the bitch you're defending
This was really satisfying. I never understood why people kept saying that Rumple was wrong for reacting the way he did.
In this scene im on rumples side
why ?
@@soixsantes She left her son . Yes she desrves to find happiness but what kind of person just up and leaves their own child bc they didn't love their partner anymore , and she told Killian she loved him in front of Rumple breaking his heart for the second time (srry if my eng sucks)
@@Dazaifing you speak which language ?
@@soixsantes Albanian
Rumple may have been a coward at certain points in his life. But when he made those choices he did it to benefit for his son more so than himself. Milah though only cared for her own happiness. I mean if she really did love Bellfire than she would've taken him with her or something. But no. Hell, even before Rumple asked her about abandoning Bae, she didn't asked about him at all. Kinda shows you that while Rumple definitely made questionable choices, he did it for his son. Milah is just outright selfish and cheap.
exactly you are right, and the real reason for which rumple has wanted become the dark one was for protect his son baelfire
@@soixsantes Exactly right!
@@michaelgualtieri651 baelfire is what than rumple loves the most in his life
@@michaelgualtieri651 and when Sadly baelfire died under the eyes saddened of rumple I cried with him
@@soixsantes Same here
"And there's not a day that goes by that I don't feel sorry for that"
"Sorry's not enough."
He's right, that's meaningless crap from her.
honestly they are both guilty of having abandoned their son
Plus we only ever actually have her word that she's genuinely regretful. If she really gave a damn about Bae her ACTIONS would have shown it. She was only trying to placate Rumple and save her own ass.
Like we have to take Rumple's word he cares about his son and so on and so forth. This shit can go on for a long time. Logic does not exist in Once Upon A Time. The amount of times I was about to say something when Regina would blame everyone but herself, I stop then say fairytale creatures have no sense.
@@lauraauty7387
We do not _just_ have Rumpel's word on caring about Baelfire, though, we have his actions. He regretted letting Bae go the moment he was goner, and *_everything_* he does from that point on, including him trying to get the bean here, is to find his son again and to make up for it
@@an-animal-lover exactly, and for reminder, it was precisely for baelfire that rumple has wanted to become the dark one.
She had it comin'
She had it comin'
She only had herself to blame
If you'd have been there
If you'd have seen it
I betcha you would have done the same
milah has made her choice when she left with hook
she wanted to have a life happy by abandoning her husband and her son
I agree, seeing Rumple killing Milah was very satisfying.
It also was when he pushed her down into the River of Souls.
After everything she has said and done to Rumple and Baelfire, she had no right to all of a sudden to act like she cared.
Milah had no reason to be who she became, she was just a toxic rotten piece of shit, who got what she deserved.
finally someone who's sane.
Part of me is hoping you don't even agree with the sentiment but went with it anyway as the opportunity for the parody was to good to pass up 😂
I don’t know if we’re supposed to like Milah but I can’t forgive or like a woman who abandoned her own son. it’s not about her leaving Rumplestiltskin, and I don’t think he cares about it either, it was about her abandoning her own son.
you are right, but she has always felt of remorse for having abandoning baelfire
@@soixsantes her love for her son should have been stronger than her desire to live another life. i dont care about remorse.
@@user-ep3fo5vw1v true, and that's why rumple hate milah
@@user-ep3fo5vw1v and since of years, she considered rumple to be a good-for-nothing
I don’t understand what we are supposed to feel for her either. I personally can’t stand her and the whole situation doesn’t even make sense to me. Why couldn’t she of just said to Rumple that she’s was unhappy and that she has met someone else and then talked about how they were going to bring up bae. Say she wanted to travel for a long time at least say goodbye to her child and say that she loved him and will come back so see him again. The fact that she never even thought about her child or even asked about him here is truly fucked up. Also it really annoys me how ouat fans overlook Hooks part in all this. As someone who was abandoned by one of his parents himself, why would he fall in love with such a terrible thoughtless mother? It’s weird to me. I don’t know how he couldn’t put himself in baes shoes and think how he would feel if his mother did that to him. I hate Hook and Milah they are the worst characters and the fact that this show wants me to feel for them is a laugh!
Okay, but let's review this scenario and all those involved. Keep in mind that when it comes to Hook, I'm talking about the person he was at THIS particular point in the show not the person he became later on in the show.
First there's Milah. Milah was a woman who CLAIMED to love Rumple despite people's accusations of him being a coward just like his father, even saying that he didn't have anything to prove to anyone and didn't want him to fight in the Ogre wars. Then after he deliberately cripples himself so that he doesn't have to fight because he was afraid of dying on the battlefield (pretty drastic of an action, but I can see where he's coming from), she accuses him of being a coward and says that she hates him (could easily be argued that this was in the heat of the moment but I don't think it truly was), and that it would've been better if he had died because then she would've had the honor of being a widow. I'm sorry, but wasn't this the very thing that she had been afraid of when he first ANNOUNCED his intentions of fighting? You can't have it both ways, lady.
While their son Baelfire is growing up, it's Rumplestiltskin who's looking after him and taking care of the farm while Milah's at a tavern----working, yes, but also hitting up every man she sees, trying to find a way out of her life with Rumple and Baelfire. Then she meets Captain Hook. She starts flirting with him, disparages Rumple, agrees to run off with him, with no thought of Baelfire, which is further evidenced later on Hook's ship when she doesn't seem to want Hook to go back for Baelfire, preferring to just live her life on a ship playing pirate.
Then there's Hook: a pirate who loves to pillage, plunder, rape, and murder (his enjoyment of this is even sung about in Season 6's musical). He flirts with Milah, and when he finds out that she's in fact MARRIED when Rumplestiltskin comes after them, instead of being a man and apologizing to Rumple and admitting his mistake, he goads Rumple into a fight and enjoys humiliating a crippled man by stealing his wife, and then has the AUDACITY to act like the affronted party when Rumple comes back as the Dark One to reclaim his wife.
Let's look at Rumple, shall we? At the start of this particular story, he's a man who's doing his best to overcome the reputation of the man who abandoned him to be a child forever, and felt like he HAD to fight in a war he probably didn't really believe in to gain acceptance. When he signed up to fight, he was proud of himself and went to show off to Milah, who reacts angrily, telling him he's a fool and that he's sentenced her to live the wife of a widow. In ONE moment of fear---which does NOT make him a coward---he makes the drastic decision to lame himself so that his son wouldn't grow up without a father. As stated above, Milah then turns on him, calling him a coward and saying that it was better if he had died. Again, lady, you can't have things both ways.
After the birth of their son, Rumple does his best to take care of both their farm and their son while Milah's at the tavern. He's devoted to Baelfire, taking care of him to the best of his abilities. When Milah is supposedly taken captive by Hook, Rumple goes looking for her and tries to get her back, ending up humiliated at the hands of the man who STOLE HIS WIFE. When he comes back as the Dark One, they argue about the fact that she left them, and it's only after that she states that she never loved him does he rip her heart out and crush it.
This is a crime of passion while the actions of Hook and Milah are deliberate.
I totally agree. I’ve never liked Hook all through out the show. He’s so arrogant, creepy and selfish. His character ruined the whole show for me. I have absolutely no idea what Emma saw in him, he helped ruin her character too.
One thing I really don’t understand is how someone who was abandoned as a child could possibly fall in love with a monster like Milan. I know he wasn’t the best person at the time but wtf I makes no sense that he loved her so much considering how she treated her child. I don’t think he deserved a happy end at all and I think it’s disturbing that this family tv show is promoting characters like him 🤮
I completely agree, I never liked Hook because of this, and the fact that Emma didn't end up with Neal but with this gross guy instead kinda made me stop watching. Ik that's a little stupid but the show had nothing really great going for it and I was REALLY ROOTING FOR NEAL.
@@videogamesaremytherapy1797 me too i loved swanfire
@@videogamesaremytherapy1797 and if you are interested, I have an alternative version for swanfire at episode 2x06
Thank you! I never understood how anyone could justify calling Hook or Milah “victims” when one challenged an old, CRIPPLED man to a fight and the other was an abusive, cheating wife and neglectful mother.
If on the one hand it is understandable that Rumple killed Milah after what she did to him, on the other, if he had not done so, he would have had the magic bean, and he would have rejoined his son much earlier.
He murdered her not killed. Did she do anything deserving of death? No. If she had he could've arrested her and brought her in for trial, but he has no right to deal out executions. Was she a threat that had to be eliminated before it caused further harm? No. That's the only reason he could have been morally justified in killing her himself. If I were a judge and he was arrested and brought to me for sentencing I would have him executed for murder.
@@samuelmowery1323 Technically, I remind you that she had become a pirate, so she was a criminal. And then it's not a trivial thing that has always looked down on top, and has incessantly insulted him since he was branded a coward. And remember that she also abandoned their son. She had promised that she would resist for his good, and instead she broke that promise after not even a day. Does this seem like a trivial thing for a mother to abandon her child just to escape her problems? So regardless of whether she deserved it or not, what happened to her was still a consequence of her actions. That of Rumple was only the gesture of a unhappy man disappointed by life. And you can't bully someone over and over again using moralism as a shield.
@@lpallad1 Rumplestiltskin just left the rest of the pirates to commit crimes. If he cared about justice he would use his dark one powers to arrest them and if they fought back then he could kill them unless they surrendered at some point in the fight. He's a murderer and nothing more. Despite what she did, what he did is worse.
@@samuelmowery1323 True. But Rumple sins do not wash Milah sins.
@@lpallad1 Your point? Not trying to be rude just confused.
PLEASE the age difference😭😭😭😭 milah looks like 20 years older than hook-
She probably was at least 10 years older than hook ngl… I mean she had a 14 year old son at the time… she and Rumple are around the same age
hard living can seriously age a person hehe
I don’t blame him
me too, milah has deserved what happened to her
she has abandoned rumple and baelfire for be with hook
me neither
Yeah. Milah got what she deserved. Idk why the writers tried to make us think she got redeemed during the Hades arc.
I wished this scene had actually properly broken down what the difference was between Rumpel and Milah regarding Baelfire so there is no wiggle room to be hypocritical about it.
In the end of the day both of them abandoned their son and let him go, they just did it in very different ways and circumstances. In this regard they're both equals.
The difference though is that the moment Rumpelstilzchen let Bae go and failed him he not only immediately regreted it he's also moving heaven and earth to make up for it and reach him in the new land.
The very magical bean Milah held in her hands is the manifestation of the difference between them as parents. It's Rumpel's actual attempt to make up for how he failed as a parent, meanwhile Milah is keeping it from him and only has excuses to say for abandoning their son and never returning back home even though she had plenty of time to do so.
I genuinely wished they had Rumpelstilzchen point this out, because thematically this is a valid reason to kill the other parent figure in the story. That he wants the bean because he, just like her, abandoned their son and failed him because he let his judgment get clouded by his own misery too and that's how he ended up as Dark One. Rumpel ultimately failed their son as the Dark One, Milah ultimately failed him as a pirate. As parents they ARE equals, two sides of the same coin.
But UNLIKE her he is now HERE meeting her because that's where fate brought him on his way to find Baelfire.
Rumpelstilzchen is willing to face the consequences for his cowardly actions, but Milah is now here because she is a coward too but lacked the bravery to face that and do what is needed to make up for it.
That's the difference. This whole situation was so interesting to watch, I genuinely truly wished they had made it come full circle and made clear for good what the ONE factor was that put Rumpel above Milah with no grey area about it.
I agree with everything you said, you are right.
and in this scene, they both say the anger they have for each other.
I don’t think she really loves anyone but herself
Agreed. I mean she didn't even ask Rumple is their son was OK since she had no clue he went through the portal.
@@michaelgualtieri651 Rumple isn’t perfect but he’s no coward.
@@SethBrundleify Agreed. Did he crush his own leg when he was going for war? Yes. But he did it so his son wouldn't grow up without a father, not because he was afraid of being killed in battle. And to shatter your own leg with a masive mallet? That takes guts of bravery.
How long would it have been until she would abandon Hook when things get tough with him.
@@SethBrundleify At least until they had a kid
I never expected much in the visual quality of this series, but seriously, who gets to gasp in silence after having his hand cut off with a knife?
No one in real life. But this isn't real life. It's TV.
real men
That's...nothing to do with the visuals.
It's the way the acting is directed because TV-PG rating
Milah is the real coward not Rumpel.
you are right, and since of years, she considered rumple to be a good-for-nothing stupid
and she has abandoned rumple and baelfire for be with hook
@@soixsantes and she's the one who makes Rumplestiltskin a bad person.
@@laurenceanthonybasamot9428 true, but the real reason for which rumple has wanted become the dark one was for protect his son baelfire
@@laurenceanthonybasamot9428 baelfire is what than rumple loves the most in his life
And the irony of this scene is in the end Rumple saved Hook by giving him his heart.
have you noticed that in the series the Enemies always end up becoming friends
and of villains end up by becoming of heroes
This is so rewarding it’s like a abused spouse killing their abuser
Rumple going on a ship full of deadly pirates, unharmed and barely able to walk was actually extremely brave
him abandoning his son and stalking his ex wife was also extremely brave, right?
@@obsessedwithtvseriesx Abandoning his son was an impulse, not a choice. And after that has come to him the hindsight. And his ex-wife was the one who started this hostility, abusing him for years for his act of cowardice.
@@lpallad1 abusing? how exactly?😭 by pointing out the fact that he’s a coward???
@@obsessedwithtvseriesx She continually insulted him, mistreated him psychologically for years, criticized him because he didn't want to commit murder. And then she's very hypocritical for complaining because Rumple didn't want to die, calling him a coward, and then doing the same when she ran away with Hook because she cared about what other people think. You can't tell someone to die like it's no big deal, or tell him to face his fears if you're the one who doesn't first. And we saw that Bae didn't think anything bad about his father before he became the dark one. So the real problem was only in her head. Rumple may have made mistakes, but it's not his fault that Milah was a pretentious woman who always saw the glass as half empty. And then I remind you that Milah had become a pirate. So she has definitely killed people too. We don't see her when she does it, but she sure did. And then Rumple doesn't hate her because she abandoned him, but for abandoning their son. And her criticism is fair because, whatever he had done, their son did not deserve to pay for his mistakes.
@@lpallad1 she was just being real
rumple always did have a violent dramatic flare
true, and in this scene, he says all the anger than he has against milah for having abandoning baelfire
Milah is not worth this whole hook rumple blood feud. Especially since they both find way better women
you are right but the death of milah is the reason for which hook hate rumple
and milah will always be in the heart of hook
@@soixsantes true but let’s be honest she would’ve ditched him the second she got bored.
@@JonSnow-yf1gl no, milah was really in love of hook
@@soixsantes just like she was in love with rumple. Look how that turned out.
If Hook actually loved Milah then I don’t think he would encourage her to abandon her son like that
Honestly milah should have taken baelfire with her and and join hook
it seems like he just found out. he couldn't even register it before she died
@@chaosspy6723no, he saw a little boy call out for “Mama” while entertaining her at the bar, and she responded to the call and left with the child and another man. He knew he was being a homewrecker, but seduced her anyway. This kind of thing is why it’s incomprehensible to me that he was made into the show’s protagonist’s love interest. He was never worthy of Emma, not once.
@12classics39 I think even the show writers forgot that part. they make it a core value that even evil hook wouldn't separate a child from its father especially in season 7. Also Emma and the rest of the town just let Graham die and forgot he existed. the good guys were just as bad as the villains in the worst way. personally, I would never give up my newborn baby to save a kingdom but that's just me.
Robert Carlyle god tier acting carries this entire shot
"Robert Carlyle" has been the perfect "Rumplestilskin"
Milah looks like a combo of zelena and Regina tho
Whatever Hook, this woman abandon her family, and instead of being humble enough to accept the chasening from rumple about abandoning her son(note rumple did not bring up himself), she had to stick it to rumple... cant accept the fact she abandoned her son...
absolutely agree, And that's why rumple hates milah
1:30 dang that’s a stab to the heart
If I was Rumple I would’ve did the same thing. Imagine a mother abandoning her seed smh
well that's exactly what than cora at did, she has abandoned zelena at his birth for having a better life
@@soixsantes ik
@@AliBobba. and for me it was the first act demonic of cora
Eye for eye, heart for heart...
The scene that made me like Rumple
1:15 anyone notice his wording? It’s almost like he’s talking about himself but is too blind to see that’s exactly what he’s doing
honestly, milah and rumple are both guilty of abandoning baelfire
You know what fucked up 1 Hook is not screaming in pain and shock over his hand being cut off and 2 there is no blood
It's disney not a horror show disney is pg
Not supporting murder but not feeling bad for her either
you’re simply a misogynist and a biased R*mple fan
Hook’s first duel with Rumplestiltskin did not make me sympathetic to him here. He grew on me later but he was badly channeling a high school bully.
Rumple never made me sympathetic for his coward self. and Hook is the best he was 100000000% right about R*mple
@@obsessedwithtvseriesx
Rumple is not a coward. He is the most interesting character of the show, he is at the center of almost everything.
You know everyone threat rumple bad, but it was hook was one of few who forced him down this path.
She deserved to die. I agree with rumple at this.
so u blame Hook on why Rumple is a coward he is??? and u blame Milah on being unhappy in a marriage with a man who doesn’t even treat her as a person???
@@obsessedwithtvseriesx I blame Hook for turning rumple into a villain. If he didn’t steal his wife, there could be a small chance for Rumple to remain a normal man. I don’t blame Milah on being in an unhappy marriage. But she could’ve just stay with her child. She didn’t have to run off with some guy and abandon her child. Yes rumple did abandoned his child, but he did everything to find him and apologize. And what did she do? She felt sorry.
@@TheExhaustipatedBookworm steal his wife??? he didn’t steal anyone it was literally Milah’s choice to leave a man she was unhappy with
While she was wrong to abandon her son the way she did, I dont blame her for following her heart. She fell in love. I wouldve gone about leaving a very different way than she did, and while she should get flak for it, she didnt deserve to have her heart crushed like that. This is just a no win situation
you are right, And Milah regretted sincerely of having abandoned her son but She hated rumple to have become a good to nothing.
Milah deserved so much better!!!!!
@@soixsantes But it's still not Rumple's fault that she always saw the glass as half empty.
@@obsessedwithtvseriesx Regardless of what she deserved, what happened to her is still a consequence of her actions.
@@lpallad1 so you’re justifying a m*rder of a woman by her crazy ex?
well where it began ig
i feel so bad for Milah she deserved so much better😭💔
Be so Fr😭
@@Annabellethedoll666 i am being so fr rn actually😘
@@obsessedwithtvseriesx definitely trolling
@@Annabellethedoll666 i’m not, i’m just a r*mple anti
poor Killian and Milah😭😭😭
*Poor Bae
Poor boy who had such bad parents.
@@LuizHenriqueMG2002 only one bad parent aka R*mple
Humm, and then Rumple chooses the power than his son. So...
Honestly it was precisely for his son that he wanted to become the Dark One
Milah*
Why were they married to begin with? What did Milah see in Rumple?
a flashback of the meeting between rumple and milah would have been great
and in this scene, rumple and milah say the anger they have towards each other
Milah was the most annoying character in the show for me.
how can ppl even like Rumple?…
Because "there's still good in him. I've always seen it."
No seriously because he is the best that's simple. Because personally I feel compassion for him, I always liked psychologically tortured characters
#TeamRumple 😁
@@Xxmel951xX #TeamMilah 😘
@@obsessedwithtvseriesxnah she left her son and didn’t even care about him. she literally forgot about her son, and refused to acknowledge him. #teambael
@@trishapaytaskitchenfloor you have loved baelfire you too ?
@@soixsantes i like Baelfire but not Rumple
😈
why this head ?
@@soixsantes 👻
@@sigmablack9483 you are happy than milah is dead ?
@@soixsantes ☠😈
@@sigmablack9483 milah was a bitch, she has deserved what happened to her
I was so happy rumple killed Milah cause I was like “YES! KILLIAN IS MINEEEE.” Then Emma came along 😡
I hate rumple
me too, he is one of characters than I hate the most
and I have a song from a movie for him
the swan princess 2 : You Gotta Love It
and if you are interested, I have other disney songs for other characters
I hate you
I hate Mila
Again incel men fetishizing killing women. This scene isn't supposed to be justified. You are missing common sense (never mind the point)
She deserved it
true, she has abandoned rumple and baelfire for be with hook
fr
no she didn’t
The most enjoyable scene in the whole show
you have loved what in this scene ?
@@soixsantes killing the Milah
@@yuxef you hate milah you too ?
leaving a bad relationship is understandable but she abandoned her child and never looked back. let her rot