The Fully Networked Amiga: SMB 2&3, Email, Web Browsing, Social Media and Music Streaming!
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- Опубліковано 14 січ 2023
- This week on 10 Minute Amiga retro Cast I am getting my #Amiga 4000 all hooked up to the Interwebs with my Indivision X-surf 100 networking card. Here are the topics I touch on. I will be doing expanded videos on many of them in the near future.
* Roadshow TCP/IP Stack
* New SMB 2/3 handler for networking with PC's and NAS devices
* iBrowse Web Browser
* SimpleMail IMAP/POP3 mail client
* TwittAmiga Twitter client
* AmiTube Offline UA-cam Viewer
* IMP3 MOD/SID streaming client
A busy episode as you can see!
Get Roadshow here:
www.amigashop.org/product_inf...
Pick up the X-Surf 100 here:
icomp.de
iBrowse and AmiSSL can be picked up here:
www.ibrowse-dev.net/
The latest Amiga Simplemail is right here:
simplemail.sourceforge.net/
Get your TwittAmiga fix here:
aminet.net/package/comm/misc/...
Get IMP3 streamer right here on Aminet:
aminet.net/package/mus/play/imp3
Learn more (and download) AmiTube here
blog.alb42.de/programs/amitube/
SMB for Amiga is easy to set up. All links are here for the latest versions and instructions!
eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...
aminet.net/package/util/libs/...
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Smb2 Handler is getting some more work done and soon released “officially.” The current version has been working great for me. So glad to have this! Glad it’s working for you too!
I cannot believe how fast it is - that 48 MB file transferred in seconds. It has been rock solid, too. No matter how much I transfer she just keeps going.
I linked to your video in the description.
@@10MARC yes it’s super fast! Thanks for the share too Doug!
@@10MARC I think that wav file was actually a 4.3 MB file, but still, pretty fast
Hi from the UK. Cool video Doug. I'm on the Twitter list at 26:12 🙂. Fame at last 🥳
Awesome! You can expect a .00000001% increase in traffic on your Webpage from the billions of watchers of my channel! 🤣🤣
Fabulous project Doug. I look forward to learning more about some of these utilities.
Thanks! I am already planning some good ones I hope.
Thanks so much for mentioning AmiTube!
I will do a proper show on it as soon as I get it working! I can get it to process the MPEG1 files, but all CDXL just say "converting" forever and never do anything else. Left it doing that for 24 hours one day and...nothing
Impressive! And bonus points for using h0ffman's music :D
I still want to get a hold of his red vinyl album!
@@10MARC he's got a discount on it right now, so it might be a good time to buy :)
(although with the Royal Mail ransomware affecting international shipping label printing there might be some shipping delay)
Superb work Doug. Many thanks!!
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Another great episode!! Love this one!
Glad you liked it!
Once again, great video. I am taking baby steps. Just getting my Amiga recapped but this video has me definitely interested in networking my 1200 and 4000. Thanks!
Oh it is totally worth it, and so easy on both machines. Just be careful to get the 16 bit PCMCIA card for the A1200, not the gold edged 32 bit
Another fantastic video! Very useful and nicely detailed where it needs to be!
I appreciate that. I exhibited some uncharacteristic self control on this one. In my original draft I got much deeper into the setup of roadshow, simple mail and everything else. Then I realized if I did that the video would be about an hour and a half long. that's why I decided I would do a general overview with this, and then break it out and do longer videos on the individual topics later.
That shared drive part was cool.... it's making me really want to get my 4000 ide problem sorted out and start using it again!
Oh it is worth getting that hard drive working again! What are the issues?
It's stopped detecting anyting on the ide port no matter if it's CF, SD or a mech drive (and they all work in other Amiga's).
@@Harp00nX in see. IDE is controlled with the GARY chip, U901 and U902. You might want to look for physical damage between those three locations and the actual IDE header. Maybe a trace got damaged.
The BHUDDA IDE ZORRO card from individual computers is an option, too. That adds a new pair of IDE headers and works pretty well.
Great vid! Love Roadshow & my X-Surf100 in my A4000👍
It is a really nice combination for sure!
Awesome job focusing on some very cool and powerful software for connected Amigas in the modern age. [applause!]
Thanks, Eric! Next I will do a hardware review of the Live! Card for the Amiga 2000... Oh... Wait...
@@10MARC NoooOOOOooooOOOooooo...
I really like that you mention imp3! I had a little talk with one of our greatest danish retro streamers about imp3 a few days ago. I sometimes use it :)
IMP3 needs more attention for sure! I will do a full video on it soon (ish). I really enjoy it!
@@10MARC Do you know where to send donations for IMP3, would like to support it
Excellent episode Doug! now i have to go update the software on my amiga :) would be awesome to see an indepth review of the x-surf, like calling bbses etc :) i have the x-surf 500 myself but haven't had time to fiddle around with it that muvh =)
I will have to do that. I may combine it with a full review of Roadshow.
Interesting video. I have got an A500, A600, A1200. They are gathering dust, so I was interested in this. The thought that strikes me is that you might find it easier to feed the output from a Raspberry Pi into an Amiga video capture device, and use the Amiga keyboard as remote terminal. Thanks for uploading.
Like running AmiBerry on the Raspberry Pi and using that as the Amiga? Or the new PiStorm? (Which only emulates a fast CPU and the Amiga does everything else)?
As much as I am impressed, I hate you that you have and we can for thousand and I don’t😂😅 but to be honest, North American with an Amiga is a special breed. God bless you man. I would still kill for a fully functional 1200 or omega 3000!
I got a bunch of my Amigas in the mid-2000's when they were still cheap. I wish I would have bought more!
You can also stand up a proxy for POP3 that honors older clients "on prem" and negotiates secure connections with modern standards at your provider. It is, depending on your level of sophistication, considerably more complicated. But this is probably the best way to use older mail clients w/o worry of exposure. I am a big fan of roadshow. :)
Not a bad idea at all. Who do you recommend as a proxy? Microsoft has been dropping the hammer on app authorizations that has been causing some issues, and that might help solve it
@@10MARC Oh I don't even know... If I had to do this right now I'd probably be looking into rebex and zimbra.
@@10MARC Also: I don't use MS for anything at all. :)
@@10MARC also also. I am going back and watching all your content, now. Thanks for putting in this work for the community. Newcomers to the Amiga Platform need content like this.
@@hessex1899 thanks so much! Some of the early stuff is a little raw audio-wise but I was just learning.
Check your audio on this video. Look specifically for high frequencies. Most of us old people can't hear it anymore, but I am one of the few that can.
These older computers have fans in them, and that's probably what you hear. I sometimes try and filter out things like that, but I find it affects the overall quality of the audio
In the early 90s, my days of my Amiga connected Novell file server and using ISDN, it wasn’t cheap having a cap and the added cost being over the limit (so many d/l Usenet groups and files). I moved to DSL and was lucky enough to have the CO right down the street. I need to upgrade Amiga’s Miami TCP/IP stack I use.
Now that is cool! One of my clients we set up a bonded ISDN line so they could get a whopping 256 kilobit internet connection. That supported about 25 computers, and a remote terminal server session from a facility about 500 miles away. It worked great, but we are happy when they finally got cable down in that neighborhood and got them up to a much better speed.
I remember using miami to get online with my A1200 ppc tower 🙂
Miami was certainly good software. I used it too for quite a long time. I never had too many issues with it, besides the fact that DHCP never quite worked with it
I had my Amigas networked another way. Yes, I had a fast modem on my A2000/2630, but I also had that connected via ethernet to my kids' two A3000s. Yes, I had three Amigas networked together in my home via thinnet before the internet was available to regular consumers. Then I installed Dale Luck's X-Windows and began controlling Unix servers/slaves at MSU. Dear God that was painful over a phone modem! But at the same time it was exciting! The Amiga always lacked in the web browser area, though. We were late to incorporate "frames," etc. Still, I loved that time. We were so far ahead of everyone else in the early 1990's. Actually we were so far ahead of everyone else from the mid-eighties on until Commodore's demise. I had a CD-R/W drive and a tape backup running on a cron utility thirty years ago. PC users had recently graduated from the green v. amber screen arguments into real color CRTs!
Sounds like a sweet setup at the house! I am amazed that you had an Amiga 2000 and the kids had Amiga 3000's! Dad should have had the best one!
It's a shame that browsing has always been behind on the Amiga. I think the modern web is simply filled with too much fluff. I believe we should have kept it much simpler.
@@10MARC Doug, I had a 2630 board (68030) though, so it was like an A3000. Plus I had the built-in CD-R/W and Tape Backup units. It was a pretty sweet setup. Plus I had a bridgeboard and utilized PC boards such as a 3-axis motion controller board. I had a complicated machine. My kids pretty much played games, I did work. I miss those days. Did you ever subscribe to Scientific Amiga?
@@dannylgriffin now that sounds like a sweet Amiga 2000! How about the only advantage the Amiga 3000 would have had is faster CHIP RAM!
I had heard of Scientific Amiga and think I received a sample issue once. Didn't one of the big publishers distribute that?
@@10MARC was the CHIP RAM faster? Alas, it's been so long that I no longer remember, and I have written at least one article on the Amiga chipset! No, Scientific Amiga was not published by a big company, it was a small effort, but very good IMO. If you are interested I can find my old issues and scan some for you. There weren't very many, it didn't last too long. It was about the time of Commodore's collapse, so...
From the SMB2-Handler I would add, for me using the hostname didn't work with my NAS (UnRaid). It did however work if I replaced the hostname with the NAS IP.
Interesting. Is your primary DNS pointing to your router, or to something like Googles DNS? That can sometimes make a difference depending on what router you use
Cool Video. I joust would add one thing. If you have a really fast Amiga, Like a 100Mhz 060 or a Vampire V4 with 128, better 256 or mor Megabytes of Memory, you can Use Netsurf 68K that thing can display even more Webpages, but if it works with IBrowse, IBrowse is definitely faster.
Hmmmm.... I have tried to use Netsurf on my Vampires too. And it never, ever , ever works for anything. I can sometimes get to Google, and maybe once it did a search...
Even on WinUAE with full JIT processing it just does not work for me
10MARC, there is a thing called Drag'n'Drop that works on Amigas, for loading files and stuff ...😆
Did I do something the hard way? Are you talking about opening up the text files?
@@10MARC Yeah, you just have to drag the file into the TextEdit window to open it, no need to open files any more through the file manager
@@colmmccallion9204 I actually do that sometimes - but it is a habit to open everything with the file menu
I'd love to see an episode on setting up a PCMCIA network card on the A600/A1200. I've had mine for ages and just have never gotten it working. :(
Kevin from Hold & modify just did a video a few weeks ago on a topic. It can either be incredibly simple or an absolute nightmare depending on which card you get. Wireless networking is possible and works fine, but it seems like 80% of the cards are of course limited to the old WEP encryption and most modern access points don't even support that anymore!
I will do a video on it though.
@@10MARC Thanks Doug, I'll check out that video and will eagerly await yours. :)
Hey Doug! Another great video, thanks for that! Trying to get me 4000 (030) online with iBrowse as well, but it looks really bad, even the iBrowse opening page. Could you tell me what screen mode you are using? Thanks 👍
Mine is 1024 x 768 in 65,000 colors on my RTG card. If you don't have an upscaler/Deinterlacer you should at least get an RGB to VGA adapter and run iBrowse in the DBLPAL or DBLNTSC modes.
The thing about app passwords, they're not just good for one device and one device only. I've generated app passwords that I've used again and again. Because it's just a traditional password, Google has no way of knowing which app is connecting.
Please post all you app passwords here. I promise not to steal your identity! ;)
I agree Roadshow looks nice. But for almost $27 USD for a TCP stack, I've stuck with AmiTCP and/or Miami... I'm fine with a static IP address... ;-)
I think it is worth supporting our modern vendors who make software. Keeps them making new stuff!
@@10MARC As long as that vendor isn't selling iBrowse tho? :-)
I never said I don't support modern vendors. I buy a lot of retro software, which is why I don't just buy everything at every price. IMHO, that's a lot for just a TCP/IP stack.
does anyone know how to change the icon on the share, let me elaborate, i can change the shares icon no problem if the share is at the root of my NAS, however if the share is a directory below the root it will not change it, ive tried changing icon the usual drop it on the info window, and even tried changing the icons type from "volume" to "drawer" but that doesnt alter it, other options im not sure will work but did many years ago was a program called "forceicon"
Hi... is there any logging I can check to see what`s going on? I don`t get a share pop up on WB. I'm using the same IP and credentials that works on smbmounter ( issues with corrupt files when I copy locally ) so I want to get this going... thanks
Ah wonderful news! Thanks a bunch for this tutorial! I don't have at my place the real a1200 right now, so I wanted to try the smb2 from within FSUAE. Is it the same procedure? Can I use fs-uae with bsdsocket enabed, and follow the instructions you presented to establish smb connection with my rpi samba share?
Yep. It works perfect. Simply copied my CF card to WinUAE into an HDF file, and SMB worked 100% without changing a thing. No worries!
@@10MARC 🙏
great video Doug, have you ever messed with NFS?
Hmm... Can't say that I have. Should I?
I am interested to find 'modern' amateur radio software for the Amiga. I have recently acquired an Amiga 1200 after 30+ years
A buddy of mine on Twitter is a fairly big HAM radio fan, I think. @particlesbbs on Twitter if you are on there. I know of none myself, but I will ask around
Broadband uses a modem as well.
Yes... But not the kind that squeals and occupies your copper phone lines.
Wouldn't it be way easier to put the "mount files" into WBstartup instead of mounting via the User-Startup?
It would probably work fine. I think those are done fairly late in the game. I have honestly never put any kind of driver mount in WB startup but I suppose it would work OK
@@10MARC Actually I have just done that today. It works fine.
Hi Doug! Do you know why I only have two of this blinking squares in the lower right corner of iBrowse? Every time I saw videos with iBrowse showing, the guys have eight boxes shown (indicating the connections?). Couldn’t find anything in the internet… Or is it about the not registered version?? Greets Lars
There is a setting for number of connections in Ibrowse prefs. You can set it to what you want. just be sure to "save as default" after any changes.
@@a4000t tried that before, no difference. I think I figured it out by myself: Splashscreen for the Demo says limitation "Two simultaneus connections"...
Oh I see. The demo version! I will guarantee you that having eight simultaneous connections does not automatically make it blazingly fast! This is running on a 50 MHz 060 and my internet is about 200 MB download speed and about half the time it still feels like dial up with iBrowse
@@10MARC Got the same CPU config over here and a ZZ9000 as a Network device. By the look, your iBrowse surfing looks much more snappy than mine (it uses all the blinking boxes). At the end I think iBrowse is much to expensive, so I have to stay with the Demo...
@@RealLloyd i should of read closer! Demo i missed :D
does roadshow work on amiga 500 ?
I do believe it requires at least a 68020 to run. Some of the others like AmiTCP I believe work on a 68000. Time to upgrade!
Hmmm...half the time it just freezes my Amiga on start and then no volume appears.....or, it just works. When it works, it appears to be flawless. The speed is quite nice. Not sure what is causing the false startups. I thought it may have been due to a delay with waking my NAS from sleep but I've tried after it was up and running as well. It will sometimes just lockup momentarily and then not mount the volume. I am using the latest Roadshow on an A1200 with OS 3.2.1 and A1233n accelerator.
How interesting... What network interface are you using? You should try pinging the device from the shell before trying to connect. That would be an interesting test.
@@10MARC I am using a DLink Fast Ethernet PCMCIA card with appropriate drivers for Roadshow.
Sigh. I went to go install the smb handler on my A2K system with X-Surf card only to discover that my OS 3.2.1 system is no longer recognized. I ruled out a hardware fault with my accelerator's scsi and my scsi2sd card. The 32GB SD card was pulled and placed into my Win PC. Looks to be a problem with the media as WinUAE can no longer detect any RDB info. I did make a backup drive file of the system partition so that is a relief but my other two partitions (dh1, dh2) could be lost. Do you happen to know of any good SD recovery programs? I guess they will need to not care about the Amiga file system. Even better if something existed that *could* detect it. I only used the standard FFS compatible with OS 3.2.x. Thinking back to my recent activity on the same Windows box....I was using the Disk Manager to reorder my drive assignments but at no point did I modify the SD card. I do have the USB cable going from the scsi2sd card to the PC so that I can directly access the SD card from WinUAE. Interestingly and something that could be related, I had inconsistent recognition of the defined 32GB drive using the scsi2sd utility. If it wasn't seen in the util, I know I would have trouble from WinUAE. At the same time, the real hardware did not have any trouble seeing it....until today. :( Perhaps the SD was slowly dying.
*unsigh*. SD card has been recovered! Phew! Found a solution over on EAB.
@@jdryyz I have actually lost about three SD cards and two CF cards in the last 4 years. They are certainly not invulnerable to failure!
Is there any place in the US to get the X-100?
Nope - but Jens ships it out in like a day, and his stuff gets here in about two days. Totally worth it, and I have never had an issue ordering from his website.
@@10MARC Sorry don't know who Jen is or his website?
@@stevelaminack1516 sorry. Jens is the guy who makes the X-100 and lots of other neat stuff. His website is icomp(dot)de
Has anyone tried installing this on a fresh OS 3.2.1 install? I've tried this on an A3000 and A1200 with fresh installs and it's not working. I did get this working on another A1200 with an older configuration (in use for years). No such luck on the freshly installed OSes - could there be some dependencies I'm missing?
Installing which part after a new install? I talk about so many darn things in this video... Which one is not working? A few of the programs like twittAmiga and SimpleMail may need some MCC (mui) libraries installed. Those are easy to miss in the readme files.
@@10MARC Sorry Doug I was talking specifically about SMB.
@@tufacker Copy the handler to ""L:" and the .library file to "libs:" is the only install you need. The actual SMB file structure is a bit different. Are you sure you got it right?
smb://username:password@pcname/sharename" - of course the share has to already exist and not be blocked by some silly firewall like Norton that messes everything up.
@@10MARC Thanks Doug - yeah I'm fairly sure I'm doing it right, especially since I do have it working on one machine. I'm just trying to figure out why it's not working for me on new installs. For instance, on my A1200 I've installed 3.2.1, Prism2v2 and Roadshow - that's it. Works great, but then when I install smb2-handler and the library I'm not having any luck with it, which leads me to think I might be missing something else.
Figured it out - the device doesn't actually mount until you 'cd' to it. This is different behavior than on my working systems, but I assume you can modify this with the handler parameters. Looks like it works fine!
Not having luck with the SMB setup. Have both files in place and the mountlist looks correct. Trying to mount results in nothing. Kinda stumped!
Connecting to a Windows 10 machine? Can other machines connect? How are your permissions set for the share?
@@10MARC Hi! I'm trying to connect to a synology NAS on an existing SMB share (which supports SMB1-3). I've got smb2-handler v53.2 in L: and filesysbox.library v54.0 in LIBS:, and my mountlist looks just like yours. I added a host entry so I could look up the NAS by name (but tried by IP as well). Whenever I try mounting nothing happens - if I retry it says SMB: is already mounted (SMB is what I called the mount).
Update: tried the same process on my A1200 and it worked on the first try. On the A3000, which I had previously done a fresh install of 3.2.1 and Roadshow, not working. I'm wondering if you've tried this on one of your 3000s?
@@tufacker not on my A3000 yet. She is in pieces since I scavenged her BFG 9060 to get my A4000 running again!
@@10MARC coincidentally, I used a BFG 9060 to get the A3000 running!
For years was using YAM for GMail. Every couple of months I was changing the rules just for this to work. Tired of it.
It is so annoying that the email companies keep changing their requirements. If I want to use PO3 email or IMAP, just let me use it without jumping thru hoops! I know they are trying to make things more secure, but they are just making them more annoying.
dogs share, not thanks
you dog yourself in a grave
you dont have to use other people's services
at max a domain in the other people's network to route email to your own server, not subject to their policies (ie not a slave of others whims)
better be maximally independent, actually, really
why not just compile chromium with some basic features for amiga, its open source free
Twitter imploding? More like big brother propaganda machine got owned by Elon!
So it's not imploding. All those nuts things he did are just normal?
Normal according the "ministry of truth"?
Normal according the "ministry of truth"?
Normal according the "ministry of truth"?