This is what u looking for, say thanks with like: Brizy 4.1 5:53 Divi 4.6 10:58 Elementor 4.4 17:48 Avada 3.7 22:06 BeaverBuilder 3.9 26:39 Thrive 4.0 31:11 WP Bakery 1.9 37:03
WOW. just wow. frustrated with my page builder (visual composer) I watched this video and I've gone from taking 2 days to try and work out how to create a video and image slider over laid with text and buttons to being able to do it in half an hour by moving to divi, one of your top recommendations. thank you SOOOOOO much. you've saved me weeks of wasting my time on the old page builder I was using. I'll be following ALL your videos and watching your back catalogue now. you star.
Hey Party People, These are probably the most popular and most used page builders for wordpress. Let me know what you think of these builders, or share your personal experience with these page builders!( btw, i know some words are misspelled, let’s all blame my editors 😅😭) UPDATE: Themify introduces a theme builder, my opinion would change to neutral now. I would consider it now
Hey @Darrel Wilson. With Flatsome, how does one link the product categories as a dropdown in the header search module, to make it similar to like what Amazon has?
Divi for me ... bought the lifetime 2 years ago and never regret it ....they put real updates it's loaded with great features and lately with v.4 we had a theme builder with an incredible UI/UX plus Woocommerce Page creation ... of course Darrel i fully agree with you and i already told them about their free Layouts giveaways we feel as if they were designed by the same bored guy some are very ugly ... they should for example allow the community to upload and share their own designs to everyone or bring some fresh designers as Breezy is doing ... Anyways just wanted to thank you for all the work you're doing and sharing with the world your channel is in my top 10 list and i'm always eager looking forward to your videos on UA-cam thanks again
Dear Darrel.. I rarely sit through more than 10 minutes videos on UA-cam, you my friend, compelled me to sit through your entire presentation. Great teacher, and you know how to be "Just" in your classifications of different website builders.. Thank You.. and God Bless!
I loved the way you broke it down to simple and easy to understand way. Being a newbie to Wordpress, this video helped me tons. Thanks to you, now I know what builder to use.
this is EXACTLY the kind of video I was looking for. Thank you SO MUCH for discussing ALL of them in one video so I'm not wasting HOURS watching a review for each one. I am trying to go back to Wordpress from Squarespace, not just for the cost being a lot cheaper but I really want that Blogger template and unless I paid a web designer to design a personal Squarespace template I'm just not ready for that cost either. But if I switch back I really need to use an easy page builder to "mimic" Squarespace.
From a developers point of view I understand Oxygen's 'attacks'. If you care about things like performance and clean code -- then Oxygen is head and shoulders over the other page builders. For me, Oxygen is the only reason why I am coming back to Wordpress. I agree that it is not the most user-friendly page builder for a non-developer, but it certainly is the most designer/developer friendly page builder. It allows me to do things that I simply can't do with other page builders. From that perspective, things that you might consider an 'attack' are simply eye-opening and important information. I can't speak for comments on facebook, etc -- but the few comparison videos that I have seen is exactly the type of information that I need to know. I should note, by the way -- that I have NO affiliation with Oxygen (except for being a customer).
Sorry for language mistakes. I have long experience with Elementor and i realized that "user friendly pagebuilder" is good for fast builded/small and not complicated projects. And one more thing ... this "user friendly builders" keeps you away from being creative ..."do everything we will allow you and nothing more and wait for next update with new feature". People dont realized that is not about the builder but "your own development" ("you use but WE!!! develop" ) Another interesting new page builder is LiveCanvas. Sorry for language mistakes.
I’ve been looking closely at Oxygen this week. I think it’s quite amazing. This is probably the builder all real devs should be using. However, I think it’ll be v5 or v6 until us casual dummies can use it as an Elementor replacement. =) I hope that’s what Oxygen keeping doing... going after the real devs, like Webflow... (and kind of like Elon offering the Model S first) ... then eventually, once they have enough staff and refinements, open it up to a wider audience. The code it output renders insanely fast. It’s exciting!
Actually, Oxygen is so cheap right now, I think I may pick it up to build the less complex one page sites I often have to build. Do you think that’ll be simple enough for a relatively newbie that likes to keep things simple?
I really like how you explain the difference between these page builders. I used elementor before. After seeing this video, Ive a better idea for the new options. I especially appreciate your "honest" opinion on things you don't like about. great job
and considering speed, meta, markup, user experience which matters for seo and google only OXYGEN wins... coming from a 2 year experience using elementor and divi keep optimising for speed but nothing works its simple a heading should not be nested in 6 divs
My buddy who does design and building full time says Generate Press is the best because it has more support and has been around the longest. But I always hear about Elementor.
Hi, Darrel. Could you make a complete Google Ads tutorial? That is so difficult to use and it's useful for the WordPress website Really really need your help Thanks in advance
Nice review! I am DIvi user for a maybe 2 years now. I am happy how this theme builder package is developed. But now I ultra struggle with glitches, performace. Very difficult to optimise. Even if you fully optimise that I still get 4-6 sec to load page. I was working on one page site, It was nightmare to work with absolute positions especially make it responsible. I love it but just too many weird stuff is going on behind the scene. Support is fine but it's like asking someone on the street how to find something. And WPBakery is old builder related with Envato. WPBakery is just kept alive because of thousands of templates and strange licensing with Envato, so they not innovating the WPBakery but they focus on Visual Builder instead. :)
Great comparison! Thank you! I am totally new to WP and Elementor did not help me to build my page. I simply did not like it. It did not seem to be much less complicated than to build the page without.
Yes elementor has a learning curve is a under statement I tried this for 7 hours and just quite it is not beginner friendly at all I like divi and blizy better
You should have included Oxygen. As a tech reviewer, you should be providing your audience with an unbiased overview of all the available options. Instead you're letting your personal feelings decide what is or isn't important for your audience to see. As long as the owner's behaviour doesn't directly affect the quality of the software, then that behaviour is of little importance to the consumer who's just looking for the best product for their needs. To be clear, I've never used Oxygen and I don't know the developers at all so I'm not speaking as an Oxygen fanboy. But from a couple videos I watched last night, Oxygen has some VERY unique features that the other builders do not which make it very useful for more advanced users. By all means, your opinion of the owner's behaviour could be a small part of a much bigger software review, but you shouldn't choose to essentially ignore the products existence as it's a disservice to your viewers. And I was surprised to hear you so openly admit that you and other reviewers etc as a group are choosing not to discuss Oxygen. That's shady. Anyway, keep an eye on Toolset and their upcoming Gutenberg integrations. It may not technically be a page builder as we currently know them, but for people who want to work with dynamic data, Toolset's new design features make it a visual builder for dynamic layouts which no other page builder can match at this time.
By the way, I just saw the page with the sad faces you were complaining about on Oxygen's site. For those items there is a info/question mark symbol next the item name that explains why each item has a smiley/sad face. After seeing Oxygen's pricing it was pretty easy to understand the symbols. All of Oxygen's plans are lifetime, therefore they all offer lifetime support and updates... hence happy face. Divi offers a combination of lifetime and yearly, hence neutral face and finally Elementor and Beaver offer no lifetime plans therefore no lifetime support or updates hence the sad face. Did you honestly miss those descriptions or did your bias make you ignore them? Again, not an Oxygen user/fanboy here... I just want reviewers to be honest to their audience.
their behavior will directly affect their customers, if they are willing to attack other companies and affiliates (closed their affiliate program right after people promoted them), they are even more likely to screw their customers over. Remember, my reputation is on the line when i recommend builders to viewers. Im not taking that risk, they screwed over all their affiliates, they slandered every software company that deals with wordpress, and their builder is extremely complicated to use and not user friendly. I would not recommend it to beginners regardless of the bias. You can learn all about oxygen on their youtube channel, just not the darrel wilson channel
Darrel Wilson I respect your point of view but showing, just to make an example, the horrifying markup code outputted by page builders like Brizy and Elementor compared with the super clean HTML produced by Oxygen is not attacking a competitor is telling the true.
@@darrelwilson Their builder is a Wordpress implementation of Webflow (webflow.com/). If you come from a coding background (in particular, html and css), then the Webflow UI is tops. It's a beautiful mending of the power and flexibility of coding with the ease-of-use and speed of a good UI. In code you can do things that you just can't do with a Page Builder. On the other hand, a good page builder provides a development experience that is sometimes superior to coding. The beauty of Webflow and Oxygen is that they give (for the most part) the best of both worlds. [I should note that Webflow is more elegant in feel and experience than Oxygen, but it lacks the power of Wordpress and is much more expensive]. So the UI really depends on where you are coming from and what you are trying to do. I much prefer Oxygen to Elementor, Brizy, Divi etc because it empowers me in a way that those tools simply can't. In terms of how they treated their affiliates -- I can totally understand what you are saying. I don't know the details, but it does not sound right to close a program after you get people to start promoting you. In terms of my experience as a customer -- it's been fine. Some of it could be better. For example, support is basically just email. However, other parts of it is great. I enjoy my lifetime license and very much appreciate their video tutorials (extremely helpful). But for me, the most important benefit as a customer has been the features that they have just added (Woocommerce and Gutenberg integration). They enable me to build sites for clients in ways that are great for me as a developer and great for my clients as a user. Finally, in terms of 'slandering every software company that deals with wordpress', I don't know what you are referring to. The comparison videos that I have seen between Oxygen and other page builders is spot on and important to understand. There is a lot of bloat in some of those builders -- and that effects things like site performance (which can effect customer sales, seo, etc). It's fine for someone to accept bloat in exchange of ease-of-use -- but it's also fine to point that there is bloat as a selling point. It certainly speaks to me. Of course, perhaps you have something else in mind -- but I personally would like to see what you are talking about. I personally do not think that a sad face in a comparison chart is slander. In summary -- Webflow is a developer focused theme builder whereas Brizy, Divi, Elementor et al are focused much more on the non-developer market. That doesn't mean that a developer can't use them or vice-versa, but they do have different customers in mind.
If someone has invested a few quid in wall to wall Elementor Pro with add-ons and is successfully building websites for clients, is there any reason or advantage to change their page building solution to Brizy? Asking for a friend ;)
winner is Divi imo, because great UX & features & pricing & community & continuous development. this year they crushed the competitors with massive improvement.
My question is in regards to html bloat. I use Elementor and when viewing the source code using Chrome "View Page Source" the page contains huge and numerous blocks of code as compared with a professionally built web page. My homepage takes just over 3 sec to load (size = 1.5 MB), mostly due to the high number of requests (52 requests). I'm wondering if the slow load time can also be attributed to the excessive html bloat. Another consideration is how efficient the page builder is at making changes to the html in the editor. Does the overwrite process increase bloat?
Hey Darrel, great comparison. I recently bought oxygen builder and think it's pretty amazing to be honest. Are you aware of it and would you consider adding this into your comparison? Cheers
Is there an updated view on these tools? I saw you did one for Brizy but I'm still confused on which is the best for a website that also has blog content.
Hey man, great job! Really like the way that you explain things and also provide your opinions. Def will sub and check out your other vids. Cheers mate.
Beaver is the way it is becuase it still has users who don't want to shift to the new ux, and they know once they do it it will put them out with the rest of the compitition which they don't want to compete with. Its not the bad design, its rather their usp. Nice vid though !
Without comparing the load times between the builders of a similarly built homepage, this comparison isn't particularly useful imo. Avada, Divi, WPBakery and Thrive Architect, for example, are infamous for producing slow websites. Elementor doesn't exactly have a great reputation in that department either. It's a huge point of consideration when choosing your development tools. Also, I find it really weird that you would 'blacklist' Oxygen Builder just because you have a personal problem with the developers. There's nothing unusual about comparing your product to the competition - loads of companies do it and it's genuinely useful for consumers anyway. Oxygen has the very notable distinction of not drowning its pages with a ridiculous DOM size and not loading resources that are not needed for any particular page, and just being impressively fast out the box. It is to your readers' advantage to learn about it and have it mentioned in any general builder discussion.
I knew you were in the Oxygen camp as soon as I read the words "load times" ;-) I've built numerous Divi sites that have a load time under 500ms on Pingdom with just really basic optimization (don't upload 3MB images and install a caching plugin), and I recently successfully optimized a clients Divi site who demanded a 90+ score on mobile in Google Pagespeed Insights. Personally, I don't like Oxygens user interface, but they do have a lot of cool features. I do own a licence btw.
@@bobweb Oxygen isn't my preferred dev environment actually. It's great for many things, but rapidly developing many sites is not one of them. It's also plagued by bugs and the tiny development team can't address them timeously. GeneratePress + Beaver Builder is also relatively bloat-free but has far more features and fewer bugs. If your Divi sites are reasonably good looking and don't have Spartan homepages, then you will be the first instance I have ever encountered of a
@@bobweb Thanks very much for the link. But I'm not convinced yet. According to GTmetrix, the site isn't using browser caching. The page speed scores aren't great for either GTmetrix and PageSpeed Insights, but the load times are good for Europe. That said, the site is indeed very Spartan which will be hugely contributing to where it is able to load quickly. I can't help but notice several cardinal design sins being committed in all those showcase images though: 1) Paragraphs of text should never, ever be full or almost full width on larger displays. Very jarring. Even on small displays when using tiny text. 2) All your sites need more responsive padding on the sides. 3) Text is way too small on mobile. Beyond those easy to fix issues, there are much greater wider problems with design. The rate you charge on the homepage for a new build is very high by global standards, so I would recommend finding a freelance web designer on a site like Fiverr that can provide outsourced design documentation before the development stage commences. It would make a world of difference and help get away from that 'made in PowerPoint' vibe. And you'd quite quickly pick up on consistent design choices being used and start to rely less and less on a professional designer.
@@darrelwilson you are a master of elementor please can you help with issue in elementor , image ( in product image widget) does not show in editor, why?
Ok, so unless I'm missing something, you appear to talk about how great Divi (4.6 Rating 10:57) is but yet you're using Elementor (4.4 Rating 17:47) on your own site? 45:39 Does that mean you prefer Elementor over Divi?
As a online marketer myself, I like ThriveArchitect...yes, it is more for those who are in the "Marketing Arena" and are looking to generate leads for whatever product/service they're promoting.
Wish I would've watched this video before buying a theme on Themeforest. The theme has WPBakery & I hate it. Its so clunky. I gave up on it. Presently looking for a new theme/builder. Question- Elementor has its own themes. Oceanwp & Astra use Elementor. Why would a person go with just Elementor or go with Oceanwp or Astra? It would be for an ecommerce site. Love your videos & they help a lot. And I apologize if this is a dumb question. Thanks!
I paid almost 200 bucks because of the WPBakery, and now I'm very frustrated but don't want to give it up yet. I wish he had made this video earlier T-T...
The Astra and OceanWP thèmes work very well with using the Site Builder: Elementor. You need to use the site builder on your theme. Webyoda has videos on how to make sites using Elementor, for both these themes.
I wanted to use Elementor for my networks site, but they require a license for the subsites and their prices are 1000 licenses per $200. Cheap if you have 1000 paying users, not so cheap when you're just starting and have a few clients. Brizy seems like a better option IMO.
Divi fan from the day one. Elementor is looking good but the pricing model is crazy. Brizy will be my next stop but waiting for thier black Friday deal.
Super duper usefull man! I'm thinking right now how to build my first wordpress page. I need a Recording studio page and I need sound player on it. What would you recommend me in this case? Should I buy a Recording studio template on themeforest or better buy some builber and construct it from scratch? Thanks!
can someone explain what is wordpress theme-development, plugin-development and page-builders. What's the deference Between them... Plz plz plz explain
Hi Darrel, I've been following you and appreciate all your content, very helpful. I bought a Avada Theme - THE TECH FORUM. I understand now when you say it is not so easy to use, the reason why I like it is because the whole website site is already built, like forum, page style, layout and social media already in the pages. If i change to Brizy, which I can see it is easier to use, but it sounds like I will have to spend more time thinking abut the design layout and this kind of thing. Would love to hear your toughts
Wow this was very helpful. But being the newby I am I have questions... and no wonder "Bakery" ended my desire for some of those "pretty" themes! I started to test elementor to find out my previous pages created using an installed theme broke. So if you want to use elementor or Brizy do you have to start with a specific theme. Or does it not matter the theme you have installed? I let the "theme" drive my creativity before not a specific page builder. So you first select your page builder then use that builder to create your site. It sounds like looking for a specific theme is no longer needed. But once you select the builder you want you need to stay with that builder to create all your content. You can not interchange between the WP block builder with another builder. Is this all correct? So what theme do you start with? I hope someone sees this.
the most important thing to look at, is what page builder do they use. Try and go with themes that use Elementor as its much easier to use the WPbakery.
Excellent video!! I ask you a question, my idea is to give our designers the best tool to make pages in the simplest and most practical way possible, they are not super complex pages, and in general designers do not have much experience with code or wordpress, which page builder do you think better in learning curve / flexibility to create pages, brisy or divi? After seeing your video I am between these two. Thank you very much and again, great video!
I guess the glitches on WPPB have mostly gone now. Have you tried it again? It's the most complete in the free version... Also, have you met any incompatibility between WPPB and some famous themes, like Neve, Deep or Blocksy?
Would have been great if you tried & tested Oxygen builder as well. It seems to be the most optimised and have the smallest footprint among the builders and I've been seriously considering getting it.
Unfortunately, Darrel doesn't like Louis the owner of Oxygen Builder for the simple fact that he was pointing out what other Page Builders didn't offer or didn't do well. Albeit the delivery probably wasn't the best, it was true though. At this point, it's fruitless to mention in Darrel's Video Comments as he will either tell you that he doesn't like Oxygen because of Louis or he'll completely ignore you. :-/
Ray JH unfortunately that’s where you have me wrong. I am not affiliated or employed by the Oxygen, Sofli, or any team associated to Louis. I’m a customer of their product and others in the list in this video. What I comment is that of a customer and bystander in the blacklisting of a honestly good product. Just like Uber and the things that happened to them, people will eventually see the product as something that is good, and very useful. It will just take time because of the blacklisting several content creators have placed on the company.
In Thrive Architect now , the feature to have global header/footer (customize and design them) , the footers, sidebars is possibel. Elementor also has this. Just was wondering , what else you mean by a theme builder.
Hi ! Do you know if Elementor has an easy way to build recipes like you can with WP Recipe Maker? With a popular page builder like Elementor you’d think they’d have a simple option for creating recipes.
You could have added up Oxygen and Beaver as well. Why did you not? And for Divi --> It's a big OOF! when you start designing header... Just wanted to get that out of the way...
Once you've chosen to build pages with a page builder, you'll get stuck with it forever, right? Because it's not wise to change to other page builders later on?
In my opinion the elementor is best because it has a lot of features and also has a lot of 3rd party add-ons like elementor extras and jet elements crocoblocks etc, if elementor doesn't have a lifetime plan we can go with the 3rd party addons and I think crocoblocks has too many features than divi. Tooo many features. Divi introduced a new feature called woocommerce builder but Crockoblocks already launched that too much earlier than Divi.
@@mylriirlym5581 So are you when going to a hospital anywhere in the world. Israel is a high tech developer country and influences all aspects of science and high tech products. If you want to boycott Israel, you would have to stop using modern technology. Good luck with that :)
I was already against the wpbakery after watching many videos, even I didn't use that but after your video now I can say I chose the correct option to go with ELEMENTOR, it's best. Last thing "Alien Language" 🤣
I want to use Wordpress for building a site about me as a learning & Development professional / to use for affiliate marketing, so nothing too drastic. Which would your recommendation be?
Once again, I agree with your findings. Once we get past Divi 4's resource intensiveness on hosts it will be even better. The WP dedicated hosting company I am with assures me they are able to handle Divi. What do you think Darrel?
First know the client requirement, thoroughly, then check what best tools are available in market, check whats the market price, & give ur quote little bit less then market price, since client verify quote with 3-4 people, as ur price would be less you will get better chance to get the deal
You finally state that your favorites are Elementor, DIVI, and Brizy . but what about flatsome ? in other tutorials you say Flatsome is your favorite .
This is what u looking for, say thanks with like:
Brizy 4.1 5:53
Divi 4.6 10:58
Elementor 4.4 17:48
Avada 3.7 22:06
BeaverBuilder 3.9 26:39
Thrive 4.0 31:11
WP Bakery 1.9 37:03
Thanks buddy
Thanks, helpful and time-saving.
Just Elementor is not quite right: 17:48.
Thank you so much
WOW. just wow. frustrated with my page builder (visual composer) I watched this video and I've gone from taking 2 days to try and work out how to create a video and image slider over laid with text and buttons to being able to do it in half an hour by moving to divi, one of your top recommendations. thank you SOOOOOO much. you've saved me weeks of wasting my time on the old page builder I was using. I'll be following ALL your videos and watching your back catalogue now. you star.
Hey Party People, These are probably the most popular and most used page builders for wordpress. Let me know what you think of these builders, or share your personal experience with these page builders!( btw, i know some words are misspelled, let’s all blame my editors 😅😭) UPDATE: Themify introduces a theme builder, my opinion would change to neutral now. I would consider it now
Hey @Darrel Wilson. With Flatsome, how does one link the product categories as a dropdown in the header search module, to make it similar to like what Amazon has?
Hey Darrel, what's your opinion on Dokan?
Divi for me ... bought the lifetime 2 years ago and never regret it ....they put real updates it's loaded with great features and lately with v.4 we had a theme builder with an incredible UI/UX plus Woocommerce Page creation ... of course Darrel i fully agree with you and i already told them about their free Layouts giveaways we feel as if they were designed by the same bored guy some are very ugly ... they should for example allow the community to upload and share their own designs to everyone or bring some fresh designers as Breezy is doing ... Anyways just wanted to thank you for all the work you're doing and sharing with the world your channel is in my top 10 list and i'm always eager looking forward to your videos on UA-cam thanks again
Dear Darrel.. I rarely sit through more than 10 minutes videos on UA-cam, you my friend, compelled me to sit through your entire presentation. Great teacher, and you know how to be "Just" in your classifications of different website builders.. Thank You.. and God Bless!
I loved the way you broke it down to simple and easy to understand way.
Being a newbie to Wordpress, this video helped me tons.
Thanks to you, now I know what builder to use.
this is EXACTLY the kind of video I was looking for. Thank you SO MUCH for discussing ALL of them in one video so I'm not wasting HOURS watching a review for each one. I am trying to go back to Wordpress from Squarespace, not just for the cost being a lot cheaper but I really want that Blogger template and unless I paid a web designer to design a personal Squarespace template I'm just not ready for that cost either. But if I switch back I really need to use an easy page builder to "mimic" Squarespace.
From a developers point of view I understand Oxygen's 'attacks'. If you care about things like performance and clean code -- then Oxygen is head and shoulders over the other page builders. For me, Oxygen is the only reason why I am coming back to Wordpress. I agree that it is not the most user-friendly page builder for a non-developer, but it certainly is the most designer/developer friendly page builder. It allows me to do things that I simply can't do with other page builders.
From that perspective, things that you might consider an 'attack' are simply eye-opening and important information. I can't speak for comments on facebook, etc -- but the few comparison videos that I have seen is exactly the type of information that I need to know.
I should note, by the way -- that I have NO affiliation with Oxygen (except for being a customer).
Sorry for language mistakes. I have long experience with Elementor and i realized that "user friendly pagebuilder" is good for fast builded/small and not complicated projects. And one more thing ... this "user friendly builders" keeps you away from being creative ..."do everything we will allow you and nothing more and wait for next update with new feature". People dont realized that is not about the builder but "your own development" ("you use but WE!!! develop" ) Another interesting new page builder is LiveCanvas. Sorry for language mistakes.
I’ve been looking closely at Oxygen this week. I think it’s quite amazing. This is probably the builder all real devs should be using. However, I think it’ll be v5 or v6 until us casual dummies can use it as an Elementor replacement. =) I hope that’s what Oxygen keeping doing... going after the real devs, like Webflow... (and kind of like Elon offering the Model S first) ... then eventually, once they have enough staff and refinements, open it up to a wider audience. The code it output renders insanely fast. It’s exciting!
Actually, Oxygen is so cheap right now, I think I may pick it up to build the less complex one page sites I often have to build. Do you think that’ll be simple enough for a relatively newbie that likes to keep things simple?
Olivia Matthew it has a steeper learning curve. Having a decent understanding of html and CSS is going to help.
I really like how you explain the difference between these page builders. I used elementor before. After seeing this video, Ive a better idea for the new options. I especially appreciate your "honest" opinion on things you don't like about. great job
Thanks for making this.
It’s rare to see such a complete and comprehensive analysis of the page builder industry.
He just Never disappoint, thanks Darrel.
For me, considering quality, user friendly, features, pricing and support, DIVI wins. Will give Brizy a try.
and considering speed, meta, markup, user experience which matters for seo and google only OXYGEN wins... coming from a 2 year experience using elementor and divi keep optimising for speed but nothing works its simple a heading should not be nested in 6 divs
Thank so much for this comparison! Just what I needed :)
Thanks a ton for this great video man. I was struggling a lot for a simple site that I need to build. The discovery of Brizy is amazing!
thanks! i will probably make an updated version of this tutorial coming soon
I literally died on wp bakery review cause I used it in the past and I can understand. 🤣 BTW Really great review dude!
Oxygen builder is really good. Anyway I am glad u have made your point in the end.
My buddy who does design and building full time says Generate Press is the best because it has more support and has been around the longest. But I always hear about Elementor.
How coolll video is this even now I don't know how many times I watched 😳it & don't know in future again again again greatest job Amigo
This is something i wanted to know for a very long time...👍
Hi, Darrel.
Could you make a complete Google Ads tutorial?
That is so difficult to use and it's useful for the WordPress website
Really really need your help
Thanks in advance
Coming next month
@@darrelwilson Great, i just sub please let me know when you have that Google Ads video. Thanks.
Nice review! I am DIvi user for a maybe 2 years now. I am happy how this theme builder package is developed. But now I ultra struggle with glitches, performace. Very difficult to optimise. Even if you fully optimise that I still get 4-6 sec to load page. I was working on one page site, It was nightmare to work with absolute positions especially make it responsible. I love it but just too many weird stuff is going on behind the scene. Support is fine but it's like asking someone on the street how to find something.
And WPBakery is old builder related with Envato. WPBakery is just kept alive because of thousands of templates and strange licensing with Envato, so they not innovating the WPBakery but they focus on Visual Builder instead. :)
Awesome comparison Darrel! very comprehensive and very informative - very honest and reliable! Thanks for all your effort. Much appreciated man!
Great comparison! Thank you!
I am totally new to WP and Elementor did not help me to build my page. I simply did not like it. It did not seem to be much less complicated than to build the page without.
Darrel: Onshine.
Oshine: It's Oshine.
Darrel: Onshine it is then. 👍🏻
Great comparison video. Very in-depth and reliable.
Top Darrell is back for another WP tutorial & fantastic comparison
I tried Elementor and it is not user friendly in no sense , i wish i came across this video before ! Thanks for a non biased comparison.
is brizy good also for woocommerce?
or just for presentation and portfolio?
It is a really helpful comparison to have a glance at a whole picture. Thx .
thanks again
Thank you very much for honesty 🙏🙏🙏❤️
Actually a WP Bakery fan ...especially for layouts and cloning...but I get it may be harder to look at for newbies.
I love how he says you're driving a Lamborghini & scam people this builder is for you
I love visual composer
Yes elementor has a learning curve is a under statement I tried this for 7 hours and just quite it is not beginner friendly at all I like divi and blizy better
You should have included Oxygen. As a tech reviewer, you should be providing your audience with an unbiased overview of all the available options. Instead you're letting your personal feelings decide what is or isn't important for your audience to see. As long as the owner's behaviour doesn't directly affect the quality of the software, then that behaviour is of little importance to the consumer who's just looking for the best product for their needs.
To be clear, I've never used Oxygen and I don't know the developers at all so I'm not speaking as an Oxygen fanboy. But from a couple videos I watched last night, Oxygen has some VERY unique features that the other builders do not which make it very useful for more advanced users. By all means, your opinion of the owner's behaviour could be a small part of a much bigger software review, but you shouldn't choose to essentially ignore the products existence as it's a disservice to your viewers. And I was surprised to hear you so openly admit that you and other reviewers etc as a group are choosing not to discuss Oxygen. That's shady.
Anyway, keep an eye on Toolset and their upcoming Gutenberg integrations. It may not technically be a page builder as we currently know them, but for people who want to work with dynamic data, Toolset's new design features make it a visual builder for dynamic layouts which no other page builder can match at this time.
By the way, I just saw the page with the sad faces you were complaining about on Oxygen's site. For those items there is a info/question mark symbol next the item name that explains why each item has a smiley/sad face. After seeing Oxygen's pricing it was pretty easy to understand the symbols. All of Oxygen's plans are lifetime, therefore they all offer lifetime support and updates... hence happy face. Divi offers a combination of lifetime and yearly, hence neutral face and finally Elementor and Beaver offer no lifetime plans therefore no lifetime support or updates hence the sad face.
Did you honestly miss those descriptions or did your bias make you ignore them? Again, not an Oxygen user/fanboy here... I just want reviewers to be honest to their audience.
their behavior will directly affect their customers, if they are willing to attack other companies and affiliates (closed their affiliate program right after people promoted them), they are even more likely to screw their customers over. Remember, my reputation is on the line when i recommend builders to viewers. Im not taking that risk, they screwed over all their affiliates, they slandered every software company that deals with wordpress, and their builder is extremely complicated to use and not user friendly. I would not recommend it to beginners regardless of the bias. You can learn all about oxygen on their youtube channel, just not the darrel wilson channel
Darrel Wilson I respect your point of view but showing, just to make an example, the horrifying markup code outputted by page builders like Brizy and Elementor compared with the super clean HTML produced by Oxygen is not attacking a competitor is telling the true.
@@darrelwilson Their builder is a Wordpress implementation of Webflow (webflow.com/). If you come from a coding background (in particular, html and css), then the Webflow UI is tops. It's a beautiful mending of the power and flexibility of coding with the ease-of-use and speed of a good UI. In code you can do things that you just can't do with a Page Builder. On the other hand, a good page builder provides a development experience that is sometimes superior to coding. The beauty of Webflow and Oxygen is that they give (for the most part) the best of both worlds. [I should note that Webflow is more elegant in feel and experience than Oxygen, but it lacks the power of Wordpress and is much more expensive].
So the UI really depends on where you are coming from and what you are trying to do. I much prefer Oxygen to Elementor, Brizy, Divi etc because it empowers me in a way that those tools simply can't.
In terms of how they treated their affiliates -- I can totally understand what you are saying. I don't know the details, but it does not sound right to close a program after you get people to start promoting you.
In terms of my experience as a customer -- it's been fine. Some of it could be better. For example, support is basically just email. However, other parts of it is great. I enjoy my lifetime license and very much appreciate their video tutorials (extremely helpful). But for me, the most important benefit as a customer has been the features that they have just added (Woocommerce and Gutenberg integration). They enable me to build sites for clients in ways that are great for me as a developer and great for my clients as a user.
Finally, in terms of 'slandering every software company that deals with wordpress', I don't know what you are referring to. The comparison videos that I have seen between Oxygen and other page builders is spot on and important to understand. There is a lot of bloat in some of those builders -- and that effects things like site performance (which can effect customer sales, seo, etc). It's fine for someone to accept bloat in exchange of ease-of-use -- but it's also fine to point that there is bloat as a selling point. It certainly speaks to me.
Of course, perhaps you have something else in mind -- but I personally would like to see what you are talking about. I personally do not think that a sad face in a comparison chart is slander.
In summary -- Webflow is a developer focused theme builder whereas Brizy, Divi, Elementor et al are focused much more on the non-developer market. That doesn't mean that a developer can't use them or vice-versa, but they do have different customers in mind.
@@peterrondelez I totally agree.
If someone has invested a few quid in wall to wall Elementor Pro with add-ons and is successfully building websites for clients, is there any reason or advantage to change their page building solution to Brizy?
Asking for a friend ;)
winner is Divi imo, because great UX & features & pricing & community & continuous development. this year they crushed the competitors with massive improvement.
Community is high quality compared to elementors
@@darrelwilson yeah
My question is in regards to html bloat. I use Elementor and when viewing the source code using Chrome "View Page Source" the page contains huge and numerous blocks of code as compared with a professionally built web page. My homepage takes just over 3 sec to load (size = 1.5 MB), mostly due to the high number of requests (52 requests). I'm wondering if the slow load time can also be attributed to the excessive html bloat. Another consideration is how efficient the page builder is at making changes to the html in the editor. Does the overwrite process increase bloat?
Great video, really helpful to decide which builder to use.
Glad it was helpful!
where is the link to the site ground 70% you show in the video? thanks
Well done.. 100% agree with everything you've said
thanks bro!
Terrific overview. I'm with Divi, and very happily so, but if I had time, I would get to know the two other ones as well, which also look wonderful.
Hey Darrel, great comparison. I recently bought oxygen builder and think it's pretty amazing to be honest. Are you aware of it and would you consider adding this into your comparison? Cheers
Oxygen is in a different category as is more aligned with Webflow.
@@jamieprescott100 - I get your point dude. Still think it'd been good to see though 😁
He talked about Oxygen at the end of the video ... but for ethical reasons he didn't went through it that much
@@boosan3007 Well it was put in a segment called honorable mentions, so not part of the comparison.
You obviously HAVE NOT watched this properly !!!
My choice was brizu. Thanks!
OMG! Thanks for this, Darrel! :D
Is there an updated view on these tools? I saw you did one for Brizy but I'm still confused on which is the best for a website that also has blog content.
Hey man, great job! Really like the way that you explain things and also provide your opinions. Def will sub and check out your other vids. Cheers mate.
Beaver is the way it is becuase it still has users who don't want to shift to the new ux, and they know once they do it it will put them out with the rest of the compitition which they don't want to compete with. Its not the bad design, its rather their usp.
Nice vid though !
Does DIVI come with premium fonts like 'proxima nova'?
What about King Composer?
Thanks, Darrel this was a good one
Van we use more than 1builder in a site?
Without comparing the load times between the builders of a similarly built homepage, this comparison isn't particularly useful imo. Avada, Divi, WPBakery and Thrive Architect, for example, are infamous for producing slow websites. Elementor doesn't exactly have a great reputation in that department either. It's a huge point of consideration when choosing your development tools.
Also, I find it really weird that you would 'blacklist' Oxygen Builder just because you have a personal problem with the developers. There's nothing unusual about comparing your product to the competition - loads of companies do it and it's genuinely useful for consumers anyway. Oxygen has the very notable distinction of not drowning its pages with a ridiculous DOM size and not loading resources that are not needed for any particular page, and just being impressively fast out the box. It is to your readers' advantage to learn about it and have it mentioned in any general builder discussion.
I knew you were in the Oxygen camp as soon as I read the words "load times" ;-) I've built numerous Divi sites that have a load time under 500ms on Pingdom with just really basic optimization (don't upload 3MB images and install a caching plugin), and I recently successfully optimized a clients Divi site who demanded a 90+ score on mobile in Google Pagespeed Insights.
Personally, I don't like Oxygens user interface, but they do have a lot of cool features. I do own a licence btw.
@@bobweb Oxygen isn't my preferred dev environment actually. It's great for many things, but rapidly developing many sites is not one of them. It's also plagued by bugs and the tiny development team can't address them timeously. GeneratePress + Beaver Builder is also relatively bloat-free but has far more features and fewer bugs.
If your Divi sites are reasonably good looking and don't have Spartan homepages, then you will be the first instance I have ever encountered of a
@@bobweb Thanks very much for the link. But I'm not convinced yet.
According to GTmetrix, the site isn't using browser caching. The page speed scores aren't great for either GTmetrix and PageSpeed Insights, but the load times are good for Europe. That said, the site is indeed very Spartan which will be hugely contributing to where it is able to load quickly.
I can't help but notice several cardinal design sins being committed in all those showcase images though:
1) Paragraphs of text should never, ever be full or almost full width on larger displays. Very jarring. Even on small displays when using tiny text.
2) All your sites need more responsive padding on the sides.
3) Text is way too small on mobile.
Beyond those easy to fix issues, there are much greater wider problems with design. The rate you charge on the homepage for a new build is very high by global standards, so I would recommend finding a freelance web designer on a site like Fiverr that can provide outsourced design documentation before the development stage commences.
It would make a world of difference and help get away from that 'made in PowerPoint' vibe. And you'd quite quickly pick up on consistent design choices being used and start to rely less and less on a professional designer.
I use oxygen and Divi to build sites. I like elementor but as previously stated, the subscription model sucks.
Me too, oxygen is the fastest
Darrel,
Bro , why are you so amazing ?
a real rockstar :)
Lots of respoect for you man
Abhijeet
Pune (Ingle)
Great video Darrel! but I think must important is fast customer support and videotutorials. I think many of companies have more to do about that
Very true! Divi and brizy have good support, elementor support is pretty bad
@@darrelwilson you are a master of elementor please can you help with issue in elementor , image ( in product image widget) does not show in editor, why?
Bro... in the list which builder provides more pre built landing page??
Ok, so unless I'm missing something, you appear to talk about how great Divi (4.6 Rating 10:57) is but yet you're using Elementor (4.4 Rating 17:47) on your own site? 45:39 Does that mean you prefer Elementor over Divi?
Thank u very much Darrel Wilson :)
Hi, can I edit multiple sites with Massive Dynamic for the regular license? Thanks
Very much needed video!!
As a online marketer myself, I like ThriveArchitect...yes, it is more for those who are in the "Marketing Arena" and are looking to generate leads for whatever product/service they're promoting.
Wish I would've watched this video before buying a theme on Themeforest.
The theme has WPBakery & I hate it. Its so clunky. I gave up on it. Presently looking for a new theme/builder.
Question- Elementor has its own themes. Oceanwp & Astra use Elementor. Why would a person go with just Elementor
or go with Oceanwp or Astra? It would be for an ecommerce site. Love your videos & they help a lot. And I apologize if this
is a dumb question. Thanks!
I paid almost 200 bucks because of the WPBakery, and now I'm very frustrated but don't want to give it up yet. I wish he had made this video earlier T-T...
The Astra and OceanWP thèmes work very well with using the Site Builder: Elementor. You need to use the site builder on your theme. Webyoda has videos on how to make sites using Elementor, for both these themes.
Just purchased 2 themes recently and now I m stuck with visual composers
Jason Darren most people are 😝
Visual Composer also a good page builder yet.. We do also like to use this page builder with Elementor!
I would like to use the code very clean that I prefer Divi builder and Divi theme :)
thanks bro!
Selling these websites for 5 to 10K? That's inspirational!!
I wanted to use Elementor for my networks site, but they require a license for the subsites and their prices are 1000 licenses per $200. Cheap if you have 1000 paying users, not so cheap when you're just starting and have a few clients. Brizy seems like a better option IMO.
Darrel, what about optimizepress?
Divi fan from the day one. Elementor is looking good but the pricing model is crazy. Brizy will be my next stop but waiting for thier black Friday deal.
Did they have a black friday sale last year?
@@coincollector542 yes, 40% off
Super duper usefull man! I'm thinking right now how to build my first wordpress page. I need a Recording studio page and I need sound player on it. What would you recommend me in this case? Should I buy a Recording studio template on themeforest or better buy some builber and construct it from scratch? Thanks!
Which one doesn't reduce website speed? Also optimisation and SEO?
i think the lightest are elementor and brizy
@@darrelwilson thank you very much. I saw Bricks clip too? how about that one if we compare?
can someone explain what is wordpress theme-development, plugin-development and page-builders.
What's the deference Between them...
Plz plz plz explain
Hi Darrel, I've been following you and appreciate all your content, very helpful. I bought a Avada Theme - THE TECH FORUM. I understand now when you say it is not so easy to use, the reason why I like it is because the whole website site is already built, like forum, page style, layout and social media already in the pages. If i change to Brizy, which I can see it is easier to use, but it sounds like I will have to spend more time thinking abut the design layout and this kind of thing. Would love to hear your toughts
No timeline in description???
Wow this was very helpful. But being the newby I am I have questions... and no wonder "Bakery" ended my desire for some of those "pretty" themes! I started to test elementor to find out my previous pages created using an installed theme broke. So if you want to use elementor or Brizy do you have to start with a specific theme. Or does it not matter the theme you have installed? I let the "theme" drive my creativity before not a specific page builder. So you first select your page builder then use that builder to create your site. It sounds like looking for a specific theme is no longer needed. But once you select the builder you want you need to stay with that builder to create all your content. You can not interchange between the WP block builder with another builder. Is this all correct? So what theme do you start with? I hope someone sees this.
the most important thing to look at, is what page builder do they use. Try and go with themes that use Elementor as its much easier to use the WPbakery.
Excellent video!! I ask you a question, my idea is to give our designers the best tool to make pages in the simplest and most practical way possible, they are not super complex pages, and in general designers do not have much experience with code or wordpress, which page builder do you think better in learning curve / flexibility to create pages, brisy or divi? After seeing your video I am between these two. Thank you very much and again, great video!
This is just great value!
THANKS, A LOT DARREL LOVE FROM PAKISTAN
I guess the glitches on WPPB have mostly gone now. Have you tried it again? It's the most complete in the free version... Also, have you met any incompatibility between WPPB and some famous themes, like Neve, Deep or Blocksy?
Would have been great if you tried & tested Oxygen builder as well. It seems to be the most optimised and have the smallest footprint among the builders and I've been seriously considering getting it.
Unfortunately, Darrel doesn't like Louis the owner of Oxygen Builder for the simple fact that he was pointing out what other Page Builders didn't offer or didn't do well. Albeit the delivery probably wasn't the best, it was true though. At this point, it's fruitless to mention in Darrel's Video Comments as he will either tell you that he doesn't like Oxygen because of Louis or he'll completely ignore you. :-/
You Oxygen staff ? Go peddle it elsewhere.
Ray JH unfortunately that’s where you have me wrong. I am not affiliated or employed by the Oxygen, Sofli, or any team associated to Louis. I’m a customer of their product and others in the list in this video. What I comment is that of a customer and bystander in the blacklisting of a honestly good product. Just like Uber and the things that happened to them, people will eventually see the product as something that is good, and very useful. It will just take time because of the blacklisting several content creators have placed on the company.
In Thrive Architect now , the feature to have global header/footer (customize and design them) , the footers, sidebars is possibel.
Elementor also has this.
Just was wondering , what else you mean by a theme builder.
Hi !
Do you know if Elementor has an easy way to build recipes like you can with WP Recipe Maker? With a popular page builder like Elementor you’d think they’d have a simple option for creating recipes.
Hi mate could you please review offsprout and how that fits in here?
You do really helpful videos, thank you!
sure ill add it
do you have any updated review of page builders for 2022 or does this remain the same?
I’ll be working on this very soon probably in about one month or so
thanks!
You could have added up Oxygen and Beaver as well. Why did you not?
And for Divi --> It's a big OOF! when you start designing header... Just wanted to get that out of the way...
I bought Enfold like 3 years ago..but i see most ppl use Elementor..shall i switch?
Im a newbie to this and was wondering if I could use divi page builder with theme forest's Breno theme?
Once you've chosen to build pages with a page builder, you'll get stuck with it forever, right? Because it's not wise to change to other page builders later on?
Can you do a review for Zion Builder ?
In my opinion the elementor is best because it has a lot of features and also has a lot of 3rd party add-ons like elementor extras and jet elements crocoblocks etc, if elementor doesn't have a lifetime plan we can go with the 3rd party addons and I think crocoblocks has too many features than divi. Tooo many features. Divi introduced a new feature called woocommerce builder but Crockoblocks already launched that too much earlier than Divi.
You are supporting an Israeli company!!!!!
@@mylriirlym5581 So are you when going to a hospital anywhere in the world. Israel is a high tech developer country and influences all aspects of science and high tech products. If you want to boycott Israel, you would have to stop using modern technology. Good luck with that :)
Mylri Irlym Israel is extremely advanced, technically. Go with the best: Plus, I'll support Israel any chance I get.
Very nice channel 👍
I was already against the wpbakery after watching many videos, even I didn't use that but after your video now I can say I chose the correct option to go with ELEMENTOR, it's best.
Last thing "Alien Language" 🤣
when will brizy introduce theme builder?
maybe avada will build in new wp version as well and cpanel and all sliders on the market etc
Which is the best ?
You're the best ! 🤗
I want to use Wordpress for building a site about me as a learning & Development professional / to use for affiliate marketing, so nothing too drastic. Which would your recommendation be?
elementor is good, its pretty solid. Also divi is good. They are the most stable among the list
Darrel Wilson thanks Darrel, do you think Brizy. needs a bit more development work before opting for that?
Can i use both builders for a page? I mean elementor and divi fot a single website?
Once again, I agree with your findings. Once we get past Divi 4's resource intensiveness on hosts it will be even better. The WP dedicated hosting company I am with assures me they are able to handle Divi. What do you think Darrel?
hi, what information a developer needs to start building a website from buyers/clients?
send them a quote!
First know the client requirement, thoroughly, then check what best tools are available in market, check whats the market price, & give ur quote little bit less then market price, since client verify quote with 3-4 people, as ur price would be less you will get better chance to get the deal
How well does Astra theme work with Divi?
And wich is better? Divi or oxygen?
You finally state that your favorites are Elementor, DIVI, and Brizy . but what about flatsome ? in other tutorials you say Flatsome is your favorite .