Imagine being a kid who loves dinosaurs and getting Dinosaur Planet. 40 minutes in and you've only seen five dinosaurs, two of which you've had to watch die.
Imagine being a kid who loves Star Fox and getting Star Fox Adventures 40 minutes in and you've flown your Arwing once, and it was for like a minute at best.
My dude I think you'd really like to look at the notes left in game code by Devs. Often to other Devs or just about why certain bits are the way they are. Often offers an insight into the madness. I recall one being something similar to "this is stupid and awful way to do this but it's the only way that works."
@@klimpomp there's a block of code (algorithm?) in DOOMs source whihc has a comment by it just saying "what the fuck???" since they didnt really know what it did, but it was something to do with how walls are rendered to give them a 3D look. or something like that i forget the details.
The ending of Starfox adventures made me so angry as a kid. I went through all that stuff, and the ancient beings who existed there since the beginning of the planet turned out to be andross hole time. That was such nonsense I never replayed it.
@@samuelg7673 It wasn't that the Krazoa had been Andross the whole time, it's that Andross used Fox freeing the Krazoa as an opportunity to steal their power and become one himself.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio Still lame af. Anytime Nintendo pulled a last-minute copout like that in any of their games, it was lame. Ganondorf in Twilight Princess is another example of this.
Well, Miyamoto told Rare to change this one into a Star Fox game since they knew that Rare was going to Microsoft, so they wanted their last IP to be a Nintendo franchise so Microsoft could not take ownership of the game. This game was meant to push the boundaries of the N64, and people were agog when they saw this game at E3.
First ten minutes of Dinosaur Planet feels like it was written by AI Dungeon. Krystal is flying on a pterodactyl mentioning a wizard and a floating mountain, and all of a sudden a flying ship with a living dinosaur head shows up, a giant lizard man busts through a door, makes some threats, grabs a cage and is struck by lightning, screams in pain but then laughs and teleports away. Are we just not even gonna talk about that whole incoherent sequence?
@@Z64sports No one's talking about mocap, the comment was about ragdoll physics. Mocap has nothing to do with the hardware animations are playing on, it's just a way to create said animations.
I have a theory as to why Fox is called Sabre and his profile looks nothing like him. He was probably supposed to be a wolf as an homage to one of Rare's earliest releases: Sabre Wulf for the MX Spectrum.
Yeah. Sabre a wolf and Krystal was suppose to be a cat I believe. Also the "Royal Knight" is part of Sabre original dialog, so that's why its weird Fox is calling himself a Royal Knight of the Lylat System.
The trivia going around was always that Miyamoto asked Rare to convert Dinosaur Planet into a Star Fox game because he saw that they were using a fox protagonist, but it’s possible that part of the story isn’t true.
@@powergannon He just "saw the similarities" between Dinosaur Planet and Starfox. He was probably just shown the first half an hour of gameplay and saw the anthropomorphic animal characters and the on-rails 3D aerial shooter segment and offered the Starfox IP to them. The team at Rare probably said yes because they knew a Starfox game would already have an established audience, so it would probably sell better than a new, non-Nintendo IP. It's a shame, really. The developers should have had more faith in themselves to create a successful original game - what they have here looks like it could have been good on its own.
@@alfo2804 It was either, continue on on with the project in it's original state, or change to the Starfox ip to build their relationship with Nintendo, and they were gearing up to sell the company so...
The fact that we have a build of Dinosaur Planet on hand and people are working on reverse engineer into a more playable form soon is kind of a miracle. A lot of what Vinny played on stream is very close what was polished for Star Fox Adventures but there's charming the way it plays and looks thru the N64 hardware. The fact that it was near complete anyway kind of makes me wish they finished what they had and released it on both systems, even with the major performance differences.
Regarding the Lost Woods not having trees, they are unloaded since they actually made the game lag. In the map editor you can see the entities are there, but are not set to anything.
15:57 Vinny manages to not only be completely oblivious to all tutorials, but he also manages to break the game in a way that not even the Dinosaur Planet bug team, who has been playing the leak since day one, had found.
@@jazz8000 The puzzle was completed, but the object that was "holding down the switch" wasn't on it correctly, so it was playing the sound, but wasn't on it in a way to hold down the switch, so it was just playing the puzzle solved sound so much that it crashed the game.
Don't mean to be all "You're fucking wrong" but many people were aware of this bug before Vinny did it. Myself included. I was laughing even he encountered it
I can't believe vinny didn't notice the crosses on the gravestones at 1:32:15, he talks about the cross and religious implications in Hyrule in one of his Zelda 2 runs and its weird to see it present all the way up to Ocarina of Time
Japan doesn't really have christianity outside of small pockets like Nagasaki, so it's seen in the same mystic light westerners see eastern religion/philosophy over there... but they also don't have evangelical Shintoists, so unfortunately they felt the need to change that shit when they localized it. Ironically, a lot of christian zoomers and zoomer converts (myself included) find stuff like the religion in Dragon Quest and Christian elements in Zelda to be cool rather than "sinful". At least CV didn't change anything... until they let a neckbeard fedora write the anime 🙄
@@KOTEBANAROT except integrating christianity into European folklore would be something that hasn't really been done in videogames... despite Arthurian lore EXPLICITLY referencing catholicism. Please name me another game that really does that before you tell me it's "generic"? You've got Dante's Inferno and...
@@warbossgegguz679 It's less they felt like they needed to change it when they localized it than it is that Miyamoto in particular decided to take the series in a different direction. Christianity was the de facto intended religion up until about halfway into the development of A Link to the Past, and there is a picture of Link kneeling in front of a crucifix used as promo art for it that slipped through. Ocarina of Time likely just used a generic texture for the gravestones that got replaced when the stones themselves got redesigned. They were likely never intended to be the final design, unless it's a holdover from when OOT was going to be a recon reimagining of Zelda 2.
@@tannertadlock7741 I'd argue the voice acting wasn't completely finished, since there's still a few dialogue inconsistencies with the final product. Like Fox claiming to be a royal knight, for example.
@@tannertadlock7741 he is actually literally a royal knight, Krystals childhood friend and Randorn's son lmao. There is NO Star fox elements in this build beyond the model. He is so fully Sabre in this build it was fairly easy to recover his OG model.
rare has a whole smorgasbord of games at different dev builds due to the consoles they were being developed for swapping so many times. for example kameo was produced for the n64, then the gamecube, switched over to xbox because microsoft, and then finally got reworked to be a xbox360 launch title. dinosaur planet is such an amazing leak but i cant imagine just how many different builds they have of games for all sorts of consoles. hope we get to see more of them one day.
it was the microsoft buyout that really hindered it imo. it was originally a pokemon-like monster rancher game where you grew and trained the elemental dudes but microsoft wanted it to be an action beat-em-up, and then pushed for rare to have it released alongside the 360. not a 100% accurate recounting of its dev history but it's the gist of it
I'm glad that we finally have Dinosaur Planet, and I'm hoping the long term sees fan content (and prior works) continue the marriage between the two. Maybe we'll see a day where the narrative issues of DP and the gameplay issues of SFA fixed into a cohesive game. After all, I can understand the predicament of this game's development and the likely outcome if it had stayed on the N64. The transition to the Gamecube and franchise was probably made by Rare Higher-ups to keep the company afloat, but as time would have it Nintendo forgot to update the brand agreement. Overall this game was the victim of time and place leading to a rushed final release; only if we had gotten the SFA beta. I'll leave the future of both series up to passionate fans, and maybe we can get something that surpasses the vision Rare had.
for MONTHS if not years: Dinosaur Planet would be a holy grail find and amazing to play. It would be better than starfox adventures. *10 minutes later* god, can I stop now?
From the looks of the beta water temple it seems that Link was supposed to start at the bottom, fill the dungeon up with water, and get to the top so he could face the boss. Also the guard rail for that bridge seems to be using the texture of the water temple doors in the release version of OoT's water temple. The things I would do to be a fly on the wall at Nintendo during this game's production.
Vinny repeatedly exploding Link's knees was giving me terrible vertigo. I already had trouble with that in Monster Hunter, and you don't even take fall damage there.
Ocarina of Time (Zelda 64) did originally start as a "3D reimagining" of Zelda 2. This is why a good chunk of beta stuff has elements in a similar vein to Z2. (Graveyards and such.)
I think one of the first dungeons made for OoT was a remake of the first dungeon of Zelda 1. But it was probably only meant as a test, not intended to appear in the final game.
Vin, Dinosaur Planet runs at significantly higher frame rates on real hardware, especially at the Saber racing segment. Emulators have a lot of issues running a prototype like this.
That'd be awesome... Spaceworld was also a Norwegian game store, they were really awesome in the early 2000s. But as online shopping became popular, they said that too many would buy online and... Gave up... So they started focusing only on phones, sound systems, and a handful of the newest PS4 and xbone games before going bankrupt... They more or less killed themselves... In Oslo they had a huge store! A retro floor, previous gen floor, 2 floors with current, and an import floor. I miss it...
Honestly? I kinda like n64 krystal's design wayyyy better. It's simple and cute. not cute in the way that people have come to think about krystal, but like... cute in that it'd make a good plush toy, or that she'd be fun to draw. I think starfox's design sensibilities were unbecoming of her (literally i guess) Like, she looks a lil wonky, but its an n64 rare game. she's a silly lil animal character
I’m almost in tears seeing the old hyrule field, I remember seeing screenshots when I was little and I was definitely one of those kids who believed you could find the triforce in the game, it’s so cool seeing assets from back then
10:48 I feel as though that entire cutscene segment was meant to be where youd see the opening credits (Rareware Logo, Devs, Title Card Etc.). But thats just my guess.
I understand the appeal of PS1's graphics. But N64 had some games that blew away anything on the PS at the time. Conker especially.. That game looked like a gamecube game almost.
n64 had like 3x the processing power of the psone. some of the real late era n64 games werent far off the quality of early ps2 games, aside from the babby 4k texture limit lol.
It's crazy just how HUGE some of those beta Zelda 64 maps are. You can really see the DNA for the ideas that would later become Breath of the Wild, they always had "big open world" ambitions I wonder if that's even what led to Zelda design stagnating a bit after OoT - trying to develop that game maybe led the team to conclude such an idea was impossible on current tech, and then they hesitated to go for it in later games
Its crazy that they even had the idea for taming wild horses even then. And you might be right, they teased a huge world again with Twilight Princess and it didn't fully work out even then.
@@laziestoldman yeah, it does kind of go in a cycle - OoT and TP both took stabs at proper open-world but had to trim that ambition, and then were followed up by MM and SS, which have more tightly designed worlds and more linear expectations. and then in the middle there's Wind Waker, which uses the ocean as a design mechanic to allow true openness at the cost of interesting world design and fun traversal this is a bit of an aside, but seeing this stuff has me even more stoked for BOTW2 and beyond now - if BOTW was the culmination of game-design ambitions the Zelda team had been nursing for TWENTY YEARS, I have a gut feeling that they're gonna get even wilder with the lore and ideas now that they've finally figured out how to make what they've always really wanted to do!
@@laziestoldman The main issue I think was Twilight Princess had a huge Hyrule Field but very little worthwhile in it. Sure, there are some collectibles and chests but for the most part there isn't really anything to explore.
@@ryanclemons1 Considering how even cavemen created art of anthropomorphic man/animal hybrids, I think the better question is: what human society on Earth doesn't contain furries?
@@That_One_Xatu That's some delusional thinking right there. Not every culture that incorporates animals and humans or human animal hybrids into their art or mystical views on life as today's definition of "furries". At least not old ancient societies like the Egyptians is what I mean.
I find it extremely weird how they didn't translate proper nouns, even if the individual common words that make them up were. Planet and dinosaur both had dino speak translations, yet Dinosaur Planet didn't?
I know it MAY never happen without dedicated fans, but my hopes are on Twelve Tales somehow being re created and released as a rom, playable via an n64 emulator. Just gonna hold onto this dream like I have for 20 years.
@TARZ676: game developer: astrology of the godz Thank you! I actually asked Chris Seavor if it was okay for me to make Twelve Tales into a bfd sequel, and he said "Go for it." Now, nothing is stopping me..
"Kreestal SCHUT. Kreestal puhLEEEEZ schut the KENNON. PROPELLER, kreestal why you no SCHUT" ~that pterodactyl in the intro "You have learned the SCHUT spell use it RIGHT NOW Kreestal PUHLEEEZ" ~First spell
I love how one person is dreaming about the same giant water temple. It's like how I dreamed of a place that after that, I now have found an artwork that looks like it, also my banner art. Dreams that predict future events are eerie.
@@ArcadianLegend as a kid I got stuck at the Gerudo valley temple because I didn't understand the concept of coming back as young link, so I just searched desperately for another dungeon that would give me the item needed. The thing was, I played for about 2 years. I was somehow convinced there was another dungeon. I thought I had to like, climb over the edge of hyrule field to find something like a forest shrine mini dungeon with a staff which made you smaller. That isn't related to what you said whatsoever but I just thought I'd mention it. 1:51:53 for where I thought the next dungeon was
I really enjoy these types of videos where Vinny looks into the past of what could've been and what things were at the time to be. Like with the Half-Life 2 betas stream.
seeing the zelda prototype is so interesting. it's also very funny to see the the basic area's that clearly artists went "Yeah this is ugly as sin we need to fix this" Also I remember lurking one of the discords zel was in when he was getting this maps working and seeing the finish product covered by vinny of all people is really cool.
By far my favorite Vinesauce stream of all 2021 for now, currently rewatching it for the 6th time I think, I always have loved so much Beta/Prototyoe things and watching Vinny trying them is amazing, I really hope he does this again one day, when more things are found during leaks or inside internet's vault
Personally, I’ve always loved Star Fox Adventures as a fun Zelda-type adventure game because those are the kinds of games I was interested in/enjoyed and I didn’t have any particular connection to Star Fox. I do understand how it is a very bad fit for the Star Fox series and I agree it would have been better as its own Dinosaur Planet game, and the final game has some obnoxious elements such as some frustrating mini games and backtracking, but man the GameCube version looks so pretty, much nicer graphics than the N64 honestly, as well as the lovely music by David Wise
1:29:12 I'm genuinely curious about this. How many of us have played a childhood game several times after... You know, being a child, yet retained 'nostalgia'? There are games that used to be that way for me, but I've played them many times over the years. So while I still do have special memories affiliated with the game and all that, it doesn't give me that patented "nostalgia feeling" that you normally would get. I guess that Vinny hasn't played the original Ocarina of Time in a long, long time to still be nostalgic about it, though.
There are game's I've replayed nearly every other year or so... still nostalgic every single time. Hell I have nostalgia for New Vegas, and I was in high school when I first played it and replay it *more* than once a year lmao
Considering it was a furry Nintendo game with a boy fox as a main character, I think it was more so that Nintendo didn't want it to be its own thing since then Sabre would just be a bootleg Fox.
It's on oddly under-represented genre for 64, we only got Star Soldier, Star fox 64, and Dezaemon 3D, it would have been nice having another space shooter on N64 and it looks like Viewpoint had potential.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio It indicates what a rushed jury-rig it was to turn (this version of) Dinosaur Planet into SF:A If they had made any substantial changes, they would've needed new dialogue lines Depending on how long that took, new dialogue lines are not guaranteed to have the same editing quality as the old lines. So, even if they were able to get the same vocal talent, they'd need to re-record or at least remaster everything so that the quality was consistent They didn't, because the game didn't change enough to warrant it, or they lacked the time/money to do so
That's because only the map data was intact without actors other than their placements of said actors on the maps. This was just a quick "let just import the map data into OOT real quick" type of deal. There's actually videos of people importing actors from OOT into the old maps but I think there's no patch available online.
I have a rom of dinosaur planet but its not running even close as good as it's running in this stream, do i need a custom plugin? and if so where do i get it
I’m with vinny on this. I don’t wish starfox adventure was a better starfox game, I wish it was a pure, unchanged rareware dino adventure. Woulda been sick to see this fully fleshed out.
I actually really love Starfox Adventures despite its goofiness - it always had a really magical quality to it when I was a kid. Shame about Dinosaur Planet though
StarFox Adventures is probably my favorite Rare game. It's SOOOO underrated! Of course, it would have been better with Sabre and the original time travel story but what we got is still stellar. Plus, Krystal would have been forgotten most likely if she wasn't added to the Star Fox Sequels.
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Imagine being a kid who loves dinosaurs and getting Dinosaur Planet.
40 minutes in and you've only seen five dinosaurs, two of which you've had to watch die.
Imagine being a kid and getting Turok instead.
@@doclouis4236 a thousand or more screams can be heard
I was that kid though I was born a few years later I would have loved to watch and or play this
Imagine playing the god awful version they released.
Imagine being a kid who loves Star Fox and getting Star Fox Adventures
40 minutes in and you've flown your Arwing once, and it was for like a minute at best.
"Publisher logo 1 (to be supplied)" Not sure why, but I really like seeing that for some reason. Gives an insight you'd otherwise never get.
@@alberto_balsalm_ I was incredibly confused until I saw the profile pics
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@@alberto_balsalm_ Lmao, took me a second as well. Good stuff.
My dude I think you'd really like to look at the notes left in game code by Devs. Often to other Devs or just about why certain bits are the way they are. Often offers an insight into the madness.
I recall one being something similar to "this is stupid and awful way to do this but it's the only way that works."
@@klimpomp there's a block of code (algorithm?) in DOOMs source whihc has a comment by it just saying "what the fuck???" since they didnt really know what it did, but it was something to do with how walls are rendered to give them a 3D look. or something like that i forget the details.
It's like lookin' into a parallel universe where we didn't lose Rare and Dinosaur Planet.
The ending of Starfox adventures made me so angry as a kid. I went through all that stuff, and the ancient beings who existed there since the beginning of the planet turned out to be andross hole time. That was such nonsense I never replayed it.
@@samuelg7673 Thats.. not what happened lol
@@samuelg7673 It wasn't that the Krazoa had been Andross the whole time, it's that Andross used Fox freeing the Krazoa as an opportunity to steal their power and become one himself.
What, you don't like Viva Piñata?
@@OtakuUnitedStudio
Still lame af. Anytime Nintendo pulled a last-minute copout like that in any of their games, it was lame. Ganondorf in Twilight Princess is another example of this.
Why do cancelled/prototype N64 games look so awesome and unique and fun
Well, Miyamoto told Rare to change this one into a Star Fox game since they knew that Rare was going to Microsoft, so they wanted their last IP to be a Nintendo franchise so Microsoft could not take ownership of the game. This game was meant to push the boundaries of the N64, and people were agog when they saw this game at E3.
Because if you're being honest, the majority of n64 games aren't good and its just exciting to see n64 games that could've been
They look a lot better when they're not blurred messes: i.e. when they're running emulated.
@@braydenleaderofthetirkins1143 Sounds far fetched and scummy... definitely something Nintendo would do.
That's why they got cancelled, too much fun
First ten minutes of Dinosaur Planet feels like it was written by AI Dungeon.
Krystal is flying on a pterodactyl mentioning a wizard and a floating mountain, and all of a sudden a flying ship with a living dinosaur head shows up, a giant lizard man busts through a door, makes some threats, grabs a cage and is struck by lightning, screams in pain but then laughs and teleports away. Are we just not even gonna talk about that whole incoherent sequence?
"A lizard despot named scales" would be a very normal thing for AI dungeon to come up with, at this point.
"Grabs a cage and is struck by lightning, screams in pain but then laughs and teleports away" is super AI dungeon
Regarding The World is Not Enough: is that.. ragdolling in an N64 game? That's fairly impressive.
Interesting how both bond games had novel enemy death animations since Goldeneye used mocap.
No, there's no way the N64 could handle that. They just used ragdoll physics (from the looks of it) to create the animations.
@@daveface69 Handle mocap? Goldeneye used mocap I know. I've seen it
@@Z64sports Well it also ran like shit so no it couldn't handle ragdoll.
@@Z64sports No one's talking about mocap, the comment was about ragdoll physics.
Mocap has nothing to do with the hardware animations are playing on, it's just a way to create said animations.
I have a theory as to why Fox is called Sabre and his profile looks nothing like him. He was probably supposed to be a wolf as an homage to one of Rare's earliest releases: Sabre Wulf for the MX Spectrum.
Yeah. Sabre a wolf and Krystal was suppose to be a cat I believe. Also the "Royal Knight" is part of Sabre original dialog, so that's why its weird Fox is calling himself a Royal Knight of the Lylat System.
The trivia going around was always that Miyamoto asked Rare to convert Dinosaur Planet into a Star Fox game because he saw that they were using a fox protagonist, but it’s possible that part of the story isn’t true.
@@powergannon if it's not true, then even Nintendo was wrong about it back then.
@@powergannon He just "saw the similarities" between Dinosaur Planet and Starfox.
He was probably just shown the first half an hour of gameplay and saw the anthropomorphic animal characters and the on-rails 3D aerial shooter segment and offered the Starfox IP to them. The team at Rare probably said yes because they knew a Starfox game would already have an established audience, so it would probably sell better than a new, non-Nintendo IP.
It's a shame, really. The developers should have had more faith in themselves to create a successful original game - what they have here looks like it could have been good on its own.
@@alfo2804 It was either, continue on on with the project in it's original state, or change to the Starfox ip to build their relationship with Nintendo, and they were gearing up to sell the company so...
The fact that we have a build of Dinosaur Planet on hand and people are working on reverse engineer into a more playable form soon is kind of a miracle. A lot of what Vinny played on stream is very close what was polished for Star Fox Adventures but there's charming the way it plays and looks thru the N64 hardware. The fact that it was near complete anyway kind of makes me wish they finished what they had and released it on both systems, even with the major performance differences.
Regarding the Lost Woods not having trees, they are unloaded since they actually made the game lag. In the map editor you can see the entities are there, but are not set to anything.
Yup. Putting in actual Tree actors would cause the N64 to instantly crash upon loading the area.
Shoutouts to that part of the stream where Vinny rants about James Bond and actually loses his mind
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15:57 Vinny manages to not only be completely oblivious to all tutorials, but he also manages to break the game in a way that not even the Dinosaur Planet bug team, who has been playing the leak since day one, had found.
I think he solved the puzzle before the game actually wanted the player to do so.
@@jazz8000 The puzzle was completed, but the object that was "holding down the switch" wasn't on it correctly, so it was playing the sound, but wasn't on it in a way to hold down the switch, so it was just playing the puzzle solved sound so much that it crashed the game.
Making mistakes on purpose is hard.
Don't mean to be all "You're fucking wrong" but many people were aware of this bug before Vinny did it. Myself included. I was laughing even he encountered it
I can't believe vinny didn't notice the crosses on the gravestones at 1:32:15, he talks about the cross and religious implications in Hyrule in one of his Zelda 2 runs and its weird to see it present all the way up to Ocarina of Time
Japan doesn't really have christianity outside of small pockets like Nagasaki, so it's seen in the same mystic light westerners see eastern religion/philosophy over there... but they also don't have evangelical Shintoists, so unfortunately they felt the need to change that shit when they localized it.
Ironically, a lot of christian zoomers and zoomer converts (myself included) find stuff like the religion in Dragon Quest and Christian elements in Zelda to be cool rather than "sinful". At least CV didn't change anything... until they let a neckbeard fedora write the anime
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@@warbossgegguz679 good thing they changed it, zelda has its own really cool lore, crosses feel so generic
@@warbossgegguz679 Yeah I've always found crosses in video games to be cool. Especially NES Link shield.
@@KOTEBANAROT except integrating christianity into European folklore would be something that hasn't really been done in videogames... despite Arthurian lore EXPLICITLY referencing catholicism.
Please name me another game that really does that before you tell me it's "generic"? You've got Dante's Inferno and...
@@warbossgegguz679 It's less they felt like they needed to change it when they localized it than it is that Miyamoto in particular decided to take the series in a different direction. Christianity was the de facto intended religion up until about halfway into the development of A Link to the Past, and there is a picture of Link kneeling in front of a crucifix used as promo art for it that slipped through.
Ocarina of Time likely just used a generic texture for the gravestones that got replaced when the stones themselves got redesigned. They were likely never intended to be the final design, unless it's a holdover from when OOT was going to be a recon reimagining of Zelda 2.
So this prototype is when they started changing Sabre to Fox
Probably the first build that had his voice acting finished, but no one elses
@@tannertadlock7741 I'd argue the voice acting wasn't completely finished, since there's still a few dialogue inconsistencies with the final product. Like Fox claiming to be a royal knight, for example.
@@DolusVulpes I think it's a cover. I don't think he's actually a knight.
@@tannertadlock7741 he is actually literally a royal knight, Krystals childhood friend and Randorn's son lmao. There is NO Star fox elements in this build beyond the model. He is so fully Sabre in this build it was fairly easy to recover his OG model.
Sabre is still in the game. You get a disguise later on which glitches out and turns you into the Sabre model.
rare has a whole smorgasbord of games at different dev builds due to the consoles they were being developed for swapping so many times. for example kameo was produced for the n64, then the gamecube, switched over to xbox because microsoft, and then finally got reworked to be a xbox360 launch title. dinosaur planet is such an amazing leak but i cant imagine just how many different builds they have of games for all sorts of consoles. hope we get to see more of them one day.
Geez. All that dev time and it still turned out just meh.
it was the microsoft buyout that really hindered it imo. it was originally a pokemon-like monster rancher game where you grew and trained the elemental dudes but microsoft wanted it to be an action beat-em-up, and then pushed for rare to have it released alongside the 360. not a 100% accurate recounting of its dev history but it's the gist of it
@@ChaoticPochi That's a real shame, a mons game created by Rare of all people sounds amazing.
I'm glad that we finally have Dinosaur Planet, and I'm hoping the long term sees fan content (and prior works) continue the marriage between the two. Maybe we'll see a day where the narrative issues of DP and the gameplay issues of SFA fixed into a cohesive game. After all, I can understand the predicament of this game's development and the likely outcome if it had stayed on the N64. The transition to the Gamecube and franchise was probably made by Rare Higher-ups to keep the company afloat, but as time would have it Nintendo forgot to update the brand agreement. Overall this game was the victim of time and place leading to a rushed final release; only if we had gotten the SFA beta. I'll leave the future of both series up to passionate fans, and maybe we can get something that surpasses the vision Rare had.
for MONTHS if not years: Dinosaur Planet would be a holy grail find and amazing to play. It would be better than starfox adventures. *10 minutes later* god, can I stop now?
"There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it." - Oscar Wilde
From the looks of the beta water temple it seems that Link was supposed to start at the bottom, fill the dungeon up with water, and get to the top so he could face the boss. Also the guard rail for that bridge seems to be using the texture of the water temple doors in the release version of OoT's water temple.
The things I would do to be a fly on the wall at Nintendo during this game's production.
Vinny repeatedly exploding Link's knees was giving me terrible vertigo. I already had trouble with that in Monster Hunter, and you don't even take fall damage there.
I really hope someone mods Sabre back into Dinosaur Planet... even if he still calls himself Fox McCloud, the Royal Knight of the Lylat system.
Already have, theres a patch available on Dinosaur Planet Finders Club discord server
@@KOTEBANAROT BASED.
Ocarina of Time (Zelda 64) did originally start as a "3D reimagining" of Zelda 2. This is why a good chunk of beta stuff has elements in a similar vein to Z2. (Graveyards and such.)
I think one of the first dungeons made for OoT was a remake of the first dungeon of Zelda 1. But it was probably only meant as a test, not intended to appear in the final game.
Vin, Dinosaur Planet runs at significantly higher frame rates on real hardware, especially at the Saber racing segment. Emulators have a lot of issues running a prototype like this.
Has anyone actually made a physical cart to play on real hardware?
@@OtakuUnitedStudio People have used flash carts.
Dinosaur planet reminds me of PS1 Spyro also when the framerate runs smoothly on that ice planet it honestly looks like an early ps2 game wow
What if there was a nintendo game called spaceworld with a museum of nintendo games from spaceworld
That'd be awesome...
Spaceworld was also a Norwegian game store, they were really awesome in the early 2000s. But as online shopping became popular, they said that too many would buy online and... Gave up... So they started focusing only on phones, sound systems, and a handful of the newest PS4 and xbone games before going bankrupt... They more or less killed themselves... In Oslo they had a huge store! A retro floor, previous gen floor, 2 floors with current, and an import floor. I miss it...
i wish
16:14 congratulations You’ve Solved a CORRUPTION
Honestly? I kinda like n64 krystal's design wayyyy better. It's simple and cute. not cute in the way that people have come to think about krystal, but like... cute in that it'd make a good plush toy, or that she'd be fun to draw. I think starfox's design sensibilities were unbecoming of her (literally i guess)
Like, she looks a lil wonky, but its an n64 rare game. she's a silly lil animal character
A design that didnt kill a franchise.
I’m almost in tears seeing the old hyrule field, I remember seeing screenshots when I was little and I was definitely one of those kids who believed you could find the triforce in the game, it’s so cool seeing assets from back then
10:48 I feel as though that entire cutscene segment was meant to be where youd see the opening credits (Rareware Logo, Devs, Title Card Etc.). But thats just my guess.
I understand the appeal of PS1's graphics. But N64 had some games that blew away anything on the PS at the time. Conker especially.. That game looked like a gamecube game almost.
n64 had like 3x the processing power of the psone. some of the real late era n64 games werent far off the quality of early ps2 games, aside from the babby 4k texture limit lol.
Can you fucking imagine if we had gotten the disk based n64 like jeez it would've been gooooood
It's crazy just how HUGE some of those beta Zelda 64 maps are. You can really see the DNA for the ideas that would later become Breath of the Wild, they always had "big open world" ambitions
I wonder if that's even what led to Zelda design stagnating a bit after OoT - trying to develop that game maybe led the team to conclude such an idea was impossible on current tech, and then they hesitated to go for it in later games
Its crazy that they even had the idea for taming wild horses even then. And you might be right, they teased a huge world again with Twilight Princess and it didn't fully work out even then.
The first Zelda game is as open world as they could make back then..!
@@laziestoldman yeah, it does kind of go in a cycle - OoT and TP both took stabs at proper open-world but had to trim that ambition, and then were followed up by MM and SS, which have more tightly designed worlds and more linear expectations. and then in the middle there's Wind Waker, which uses the ocean as a design mechanic to allow true openness at the cost of interesting world design and fun traversal
this is a bit of an aside, but seeing this stuff has me even more stoked for BOTW2 and beyond now - if BOTW was the culmination of game-design ambitions the Zelda team had been nursing for TWENTY YEARS, I have a gut feeling that they're gonna get even wilder with the lore and ideas now that they've finally figured out how to make what they've always really wanted to do!
@@laziestoldman The main issue I think was Twilight Princess had a huge Hyrule Field but very little worthwhile in it. Sure, there are some collectibles and chests but for the most part there isn't really anything to explore.
@@smcb9979 35 years. They've always wanted Zelda to be huge.
Miyamoto is a furry, this was how he vented it.
Does Japan even have furries?
@Rinze Morino Subjective.
@@ryanclemons1 Considering how even cavemen created art of anthropomorphic man/animal hybrids, I think the better question is: what human society on Earth doesn't contain furries?
@@That_One_Xatu lol caveman furries
@@That_One_Xatu That's some delusional thinking right there.
Not every culture that incorporates animals and humans or human animal hybrids into their art or mystical views on life as today's definition of "furries". At least not old ancient societies like the Egyptians is what I mean.
7:22
"General Scales. Hicoh, k0hudk udt taskukeh ev Dinosaur Planet."
Nxuk rhadwj 0ei ke m0 nehct?
I find it extremely weird how they didn't translate proper nouns, even if the individual common words that make them up were. Planet and dinosaur both had dino speak translations, yet Dinosaur Planet didn't?
Beep boop meow
Why does he start by just saying his own name anyway? It makes it seem like he's calling Krystal General Scales.
Krazoa Palace!
Hottest take on the planet Earth: I love the water temple in ocarina of time
26:45 So this is the new Starwars character I've been hearing about.
I love Maclanky.
I know it MAY never happen without dedicated fans, but my hopes are on Twelve Tales somehow being re created and released as a rom, playable via an n64 emulator.
Just gonna hold onto this dream like I have for 20 years.
@TARZ676: game developer: astrology of the godz Thank you! I actually asked Chris Seavor if it was okay for me to make Twelve Tales into a bfd sequel, and he said "Go for it." Now, nothing is stopping me..
Vinny jumping off the top of the water temple and being able to tell that it’s larger during his fall is so hilarious to me
"Kreestal SCHUT. Kreestal puhLEEEEZ schut the KENNON. PROPELLER, kreestal why you no SCHUT"
~that pterodactyl in the intro
"You have learned the SCHUT spell use it RIGHT NOW Kreestal PUHLEEEZ"
~First spell
I love how one person is dreaming about the same giant water temple. It's like how I dreamed of a place that after that, I now have found an artwork that looks like it, also my banner art. Dreams that predict future events are eerie.
I don't think it's a "prediction" as much as a corruption of something that's already been experienced.
The incel "mario 64 personalised" vs the Chad "ocarina of time but levels from your dreams"
The Sky Temple. (Which is ironic because so many years later we get the Sky Temple in Skyward Sword.)
I still think back to that now super old and crusty Light Temple hoax from back in the day.
@@ArcadianLegend as a kid I got stuck at the Gerudo valley temple because I didn't understand the concept of coming back as young link, so I just searched desperately for another dungeon that would give me the item needed. The thing was, I played for about 2 years. I was somehow convinced there was another dungeon. I thought I had to like, climb over the edge of hyrule field to find something like a forest shrine mini dungeon with a staff which made you smaller. That isn't related to what you said whatsoever but I just thought I'd mention it.
1:51:53 for where I thought the next dungeon was
26:20 "Hello, Mr. Volcano!"
"Good Morning, Tyrannosaurus Allen!"
I really enjoy these types of videos where Vinny looks into the past of what could've been and what things were at the time to be. Like with the Half-Life 2 betas stream.
seeing the zelda prototype is so interesting. it's also very funny to see the the basic area's that clearly artists went "Yeah this is ugly as sin we need to fix this"
Also I remember lurking one of the discords zel was in when he was getting this maps working and seeing the finish product covered by vinny of all people is really cool.
1:31:39 didn't expect the fall of castle town to be quite that fast
This is amazing. I was young enough to actually enjoy starfox adventures with a child's eye. Thanks Vinny!
By far my favorite Vinesauce stream of all 2021 for now, currently rewatching it for the 6th time I think, I always have loved so much Beta/Prototyoe things and watching Vinny trying them is amazing, I really hope he does this again one day, when more things are found during leaks or inside internet's vault
This makes me really nostalgic to back in the day, seeing screenshots of Zelda 64 and Dinosaur Planet in the N64 Magazine, Gods I was strong then!
I’ve been waiting for this
Personally, I’ve always loved Star Fox Adventures as a fun Zelda-type adventure game because those are the kinds of games I was interested in/enjoyed and I didn’t have any particular connection to Star Fox. I do understand how it is a very bad fit for the Star Fox series and I agree it would have been better as its own Dinosaur Planet game, and the final game has some obnoxious elements such as some frustrating mini games and backtracking, but man the GameCube version looks so pretty, much nicer graphics than the N64 honestly, as well as the lovely music by David Wise
Vinny: I'm probably just gonna watch someone else play this.
Me: Dammit, I didn't wanna play it and was just gonna watch YOU play it.
hahaha
There's plenty of people that are trying to play this as legit as possible. I recommend Fuzzy
I hope Dinosaur Planet gets a reboot.
While I understand the sentiment, it's better to let it rest. In my eyes anyway
@@DenkyManner Or maybe on the latest Xbox console.
bafomdad moment
1:29:12
I'm genuinely curious about this. How many of us have played a childhood game several times after... You know, being a child, yet retained 'nostalgia'? There are games that used to be that way for me, but I've played them many times over the years. So while I still do have special memories affiliated with the game and all that, it doesn't give me that patented "nostalgia feeling" that you normally would get. I guess that Vinny hasn't played the original Ocarina of Time in a long, long time to still be nostalgic about it, though.
There are game's I've replayed nearly every other year or so... still nostalgic every single time. Hell I have nostalgia for New Vegas, and I was in high school when I first played it and replay it *more* than once a year lmao
I love that Vin has to do the "my cousin said Danny Glover wrong" bit every time he touches Glover.
Dinosaur Planet really should've been it's own thing, they didn't need to shoehorn in StarFox.
Considering it was a furry Nintendo game with a boy fox as a main character, I think it was more so that Nintendo didn't want it to be its own thing since then Sabre would just be a bootleg Fox.
24:58 Speaking of stock sound effects, that cricket-like noise was also used for the antlion grubs in Half-Life 2 Episode Two.
Kinda sad about Sammy not releasing Viewpoint 2064, maybe if Sega can subcontract M2 to finish or rebuild the game from scratch.
If only it had Sizzla Okamura for the music. I think that's the one thing it was missing, since his music in the original *made* Viewpoint.
It's on oddly under-represented genre for 64, we only got Star Soldier, Star fox 64, and Dezaemon 3D, it would have been nice having another space shooter on N64 and it looks like Viewpoint had potential.
1:36:37
Idk why but the sound-chunks he emits, during the speed up when he falls off, crack me up so extraordinarily muchfully.
Cave B is interesting because its creepy and very claustrophobic, Looks like it would be in duke nukem or something
Stair Fax Temperatures
16:13 I'm so glad we got to see an in game crash handler screen in at least one of the games.
Lotta audio transferred over to Starfox Adventures, eh?
1:22:05 happi face
very nice stuff vinny
the dinosaur planet music sounds really cool
does Phoox MacSword really have the same exact fucking voice samples they kept for him in SF:A oh my god
Why not? Rerecording them would mean they'd have to pay the actor to basically do the same sounds all over again.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio It indicates what a rushed jury-rig it was to turn (this version of) Dinosaur Planet into SF:A
If they had made any substantial changes, they would've needed new dialogue lines
Depending on how long that took, new dialogue lines are not guaranteed to have the same editing quality as the old lines. So, even if they were able to get the same vocal talent, they'd need to re-record or at least remaster everything so that the quality was consistent
They didn't, because the game didn't change enough to warrant it, or they lacked the time/money to do so
Ah, the iconic line from the Bond movies "My name's James Bond. James Bond."
18:09 Dr Carrington’s voice actor 💪
I don’t like how barren the Zelda 64 prototype is.
That's because only the map data was intact without actors other than their placements of said actors on the maps. This was just a quick "let just import the map data into OOT real quick" type of deal. There's actually videos of people importing actors from OOT into the old maps but I think there's no patch available online.
@@diegomedina9637 Yeah. I’m just saying it makes me feel uneasy.
I have a rom of dinosaur planet but its not running even close as good as it's running in this stream, do i need a custom plugin? and if so where do i get it
It runs way better on real hardware for some reason, try getting a flashable n64 cartridge. Or better pc.
@@groundedvids4uthank for replying. i know it runs perfect on everdrive, but i think vinny is playing this straight off of his computer
I wish you'd waited for Zel today release his Zelda restoration instead of going with this version from z64me.
Nobody in the community is terribly stoked with this version.
He also has maps misidentified. That's not the fishing pond, it's an early Zora's Fountain.
can’t wait for ps1 prototype
25:09 that's literally a SteamVR Sound
All of the old areas in ocarina of time beta have such a creepy feeling to them and i dont know why
This game has HEAVY magic&mayhem: the art of magic vibes. (Dinosaur planet)
13:50
That sound is when they sense ki in dbz
Was there the Arwing test in here?
Both Krystals are cute, but I do love SFA Krystal because of Star Wars Leia reference. (Binty blay Staa fax adbentures, bleese~!!!)
swedish giga collector
Rare's N64 adventure games control like you're playing a cartoon. You don't see games with controls like that anymore. I miss it.
I heard that enabling controllers is therapeutic and good for your health
49:37 does this gun use the same sound as the halflife 2 smg?
Likely came from the same common sound library.
Damn vinny that basement music woke up my cat
The voices for Krystal and Randorn sound exactly like Joanna Dark and Mr. Carrington from Perfect Dark, I bet you they're the same voice actors.
I’m with vinny on this. I don’t wish starfox adventure was a better starfox game, I wish it was a pure, unchanged rareware dino adventure. Woulda been sick to see this fully fleshed out.
No one notices the music cues for items and secrets sounds alot like back to the future mystery jingle
Perfect Dark and Dinosaur planet was Rare at their best
Ah yes, Fawks Mclood, the best nintonder mascot
vinny try crow 64 (or catastrophe crow) i promise it doesnt have dark lore
Now that the source code for the N64 has been leaked, people should be able to make Dinosaur Planet 60fps.
Just in time
I actually really love Starfox Adventures despite its goofiness - it always had a really magical quality to it when I was a kid. Shame about Dinosaur Planet though
Early Hyrule field looks neat even if it is a bit empty
The wizard is just vinnys Scottish accent
StarFox Adventures is probably my favorite Rare game. It's SOOOO underrated! Of course, it would have been better with Sabre and the original time travel story but what we got is still stellar. Plus, Krystal would have been forgotten most likely if she wasn't added to the Star Fox Sequels.
@@James-A90 Upset for getting a 20 hours adventure rather than a 3 hours shooter, which still had shooting levels although not too many? 🤔
that worlds not enough sure was wacky!
Viewpoint 2064 cribs some notes from RayForce. Hmm.
the world is not enough has a bit of hl2 sfx
"MY NAME IS GUN, JAMES GUN"
thats really cool that the water temple used to be an underwater pagoda, its a shame it was just too huge n they had to shave it down to just a pillar
Aight I need to play trough OOT once again
Viewpoint 2064 is criminally underrated and I will not be taking criticism at this time