I have to say this colab is really wonderful, all those ideas and you really synergize well together. Had a really fun time watching all of it. subbed! DK is here :D
Now this is good stuff! Super colab for sure! I'm really enjoying focusing on pvp this time round after year's of playing. As a very low spender (think along a monthly gem pack every 3 month's) I have foud that the amount of kit knowledge and champ\meta counter knowledge I've had to learn and figure out with what I have, its really helped me extract much more, much quicker in game and I've had way more fun because of it. Hoping to see more of this dynamic duo in future colabs!
Donkey Kong! Great collab guys. I mostly agree with all your counters. I will say that how to counter each depends heavily on whether or not you are running go first teams or go second teams as the strategies can very dramatically for each. As someone who mostly uses go first a few key counters I would include are quintus for taras/harima as he can easily 1 shot either one. Another one that didn't get mentioned at all is the Life Harvest blessing as a counter to most revivers, but particularly against narses ankora as if you can take out narses once the life harvest blessing will completely neutralize his damage going forward, it will also mean you'll get a nice turn meter boost whenever ankora revives him which will more often than not result in your champions taking a turn before him, especially if you have a support with evil eye mastery than can push his turn meter back.
Very good points! I've seen you use the Life Harvest blessing against Narses on your streams. And yeah also true about who is going first versus not. That super fast Kaja/Georgid combo has been working nice for you!
Loved the collab on Shini's channel. Love this one too. Thanks for the combo, I find these back and forths really interesting and good content. Your combined thoughts on meta and counters was a great idea, and much appreciated.
Damn it, I thought I was so smart having all my lock-out champions in Temporal Chains and Supersonic, now everybody will get on board. Great collab. I loved every minute of this video
Haha, Donkey Kong! I had the video playing while I was farming some stuff in V rising. It's interesting how the metas are really because I'm sure if you were to talk about my meta here in Silver it would be vastly different. About strategy, I think it's pretty underrated how strategic you have to be. There are so many times where I made what I thought was a minor mistake which ultimately lost me the round!
Donkey Kong back at ya! And yeah people drastically underestimate the importance of strategy in this game because it is pay to win. The thing I always say is at the top level everyone has spent a ton of money so strategy matters still. Thanks for watching!
Little Miss Annie is used?!? Do you have z video on using hef in LA and does she need insane gear to eork? Ive been using SWK and Baron as my onlg nukers
So her recent buff has definitely made her more usable though I still think she's not as good as other Nukers in the current meta. I will do a video on her soon though!
Yes, I did watch this video until the end. Donkey kong xD Watched both videos (Shini's as well) and enjoyed every minute! Great ideas. Poly needs to die :)
Thank you! Go with 1 turn Stoneskin with lots of resist to avoid Polymorph and a ton of accuracy. More accuracy than resist but both are needed. Good speed as well. Good luck!
Awesome vid man. Ive been wanting this colab for awhile i watch both of you guys to get my pvp fix. Yall are sleeping on alot of champs one in particular is fenax especially now with empowerment he smacks so hard and his a1 is block revive, my main counter to everything is my gharol in 9 piece slayer not much can survive her destructive force she wipes most teams with ease and if slayer procs forget it. Thanks for yet another great video man. Built different. 💪💪💪
After years of bad luck, in the last months plarium gave me Galathir, Toshiro, and Siphi, im still bad at PvP, but now im thinking of doing it more often. Before i watched your videos i didnt know how good Galathir is.
1:03:20 one really underrated champion is Emic Trunkheart who puts up unkillable and taunt and also resets your cooldowns by 1 turn + can increase enemy cooldowns if he has shield. I use him very often vs very strong Taras and Narses teams that I know I can't survive against otherwise.
This is a topic I've been super interested in for a while. What are the answers to the various PvP problems. Stoneskin - Bombs Tormin - Dark Elhain Just as examples
My two favorite arena enjoyers doing a collab. Today is a good day. Edit: Great discussion, and that idea of each player getting a blind ban before anyone starts picking champions is easily the best idea I've heard for making live arena better. Plarium hire these two + Saph to balance the game! Donkey Kong!
Until they fix others they need to leave him alone he can be countered like any champ lvl 96 spender with a decent roster and I don't completely agree. He's a great champ and I happen to have 2 of him thanks to the latest 25% event. If he's built right yeah he is a menace but he is not a guaranteed win 🤣 he's not as broken as y'all act like he is. The ones crying about him either don't know how or don't have the champs to counter him. Plus in live you can just ban him. He's working as intended just like the Ukraine duo and many other absurd champs.
Ankora is a pretty good counter against mikage because she protects your nuker. And UDK is decent as well the same way he is decent against siphi. A big counter for Siegfrund not mentioned is gizmak. Big counter for siphi not mentioned is Krixia. She completely shuts her down if you have six star temporal chains on her. Magic champs are so good against krixia because she has a 35% chance of her lockout not working. Ankora works well. Or any magic nuker. Alaz is another great counter to Harima.
I have my Krixia with 6 star temp chains and she works wonders against Siphi. My Krixia has 860 resistance so Polymorph seemed less useful than temp chains.
One of my favorite counters to Galathir is Fenax. A1 block revive. You can usually go faster than galathir and block revive the nuker. But I'm not playing against high level players, so I'm sure that strat wouldn't work against a great player.
Fenax is a great counter at the lower level for sure. Higher level he's always built in stoneskin and reaction so very tough to kill him even if you're faster.
@@bigpoppadrockrsl thank you brother! Quick question, do you know any good discords for champ builds? My clan don’t really help each other out with builds or anything like that
Donkey kong. Would love some coaching on live arena teams from either of u. I hate live arena with a passion. I think I struggle most with what to pick and what to ban.. might even be a gear issue... currently sitting in G2 of live arena
I've done a couple of coaching sessions for arena. If you're interested just hit me up in my Discord and we can set something up! And appreciate the Donkey Kong!
I hear you , but you did say that turning some of the champs you mentioned into sheep was the counter. I’m just saying that if you get THEM to turn into sheeps then target them instead
Ah got it. So the issue there is it becomes harder to kill them directly in sheep form unless you have a multi hitter ability since they pop out of sheep and don't die right away on a 1 hit. But they're definitely less threatening when sheeped so there's that haha
@@bigpoppadrockrsl yes that is the issue and why I asked you and Shini….i know I can do it at my level. Low Gold three…the difference is the small pool you all at the top have to pick from. I just hope guys like you can shake the meta up..I’m not a big brain…I just have a fast siphi and Sigmund. Sig can drop sheep also with the A1 just not forever like my Fenax and Eva
One thing i would add is that harima can get countered by narses if they have something like nekreth or bolster on the team. His double hit still can kill her through her passive and because her low hp she can be even block revieved by a very well build Mezomel or Narses. Even my Mezomel with pretty underwhelming gear does 60-70k dmg with the double hit to the harimas i face in Gold 1 live arena. Eddit: Donkeykong XD
What about attacking the sheep? In this meta, the chances for top players to encounter sheep is high…so start killing them. Ally attack can drop sheep. If you have a block revive closing out they’re done. Queen Eva specifically can drop almost any sheep forever if built correctly. So if you hate them so much then kill them. Grand oak is ok, Mikage, Tara’s and Maricela, Fenax as an epic, and with empowerment who knows? Maybe a few epics get in now.
That's not the issue with sheep. The issue is how often your champions become sheep when you try to do normal stuff like apply debuffs etc. You can't attack your own champions so that doesn't fix the issue at all. They need to lower the prevalence of champs becoming sheep in the first place.
Loved this collab, boys! Great weekend listen!
Thanks Ash!! Appreciate you checking it out!!
I have to say this colab is really wonderful, all those ideas and you really synergize well together. Had a really fun time watching all of it. subbed! DK is here :D
So glad you enjoyed it! DK back at ya!
Now this is good stuff! Super colab for sure! I'm really enjoying focusing on pvp this time round after year's of playing. As a very low spender (think along a monthly gem pack every 3 month's) I have foud that the amount of kit knowledge and champ\meta counter knowledge I've had to learn and figure out with what I have, its really helped me extract much more, much quicker in game and I've had way more fun because of it. Hoping to see more of this dynamic duo in future colabs!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it and will definitely be more collabs in the future!
I’ve been wanting this! Thank you two so much for breaking this down
Thanks for watching and hope you enjoy it!
Donkey Kong! Great collab guys. I mostly agree with all your counters. I will say that how to counter each depends heavily on whether or not you are running go first teams or go second teams as the strategies can very dramatically for each. As someone who mostly uses go first a few key counters I would include are quintus for taras/harima as he can easily 1 shot either one.
Another one that didn't get mentioned at all is the Life Harvest blessing as a counter to most revivers, but particularly against narses ankora as if you can take out narses once the life harvest blessing will completely neutralize his damage going forward, it will also mean you'll get a nice turn meter boost whenever ankora revives him which will more often than not result in your champions taking a turn before him, especially if you have a support with evil eye mastery than can push his turn meter back.
Very good points! I've seen you use the Life Harvest blessing against Narses on your streams. And yeah also true about who is going first versus not. That super fast Kaja/Georgid combo has been working nice for you!
Been dropping this as a video idea on some other cc channels. Love this.
Awesome! Thank you!
Loved the collab on Shini's channel. Love this one too. Thanks for the combo, I find these back and forths really interesting and good content. Your combined thoughts on meta and counters was a great idea, and much appreciated.
Ha ha ha Donkey Kong!!! Loved it, I could watch the too of you talk about raid all day lol hour and a half no problem.
Great stuff! Thanks for all the insight here. Watched the whole vid over course of last few days. “Donkey Kong”!
Awesome! Thanks for watching and for showing some DK love!
Damn it, I thought I was so smart having all my lock-out champions in Temporal Chains and Supersonic, now everybody will get on board. Great collab. I loved every minute of this video
Glad you enjoyed it!! Thanks for watching!
The men of PVP like Knights at the round table discussing our fave game mode, Shout out to Drock and Shini for the great content.
Much love my man! Appreciate the support!
Loved the colab, great video overall super fun to watch. Donkey Kong.
Thank you! DONKEY KONG FOREVER!
Haha, Donkey Kong! I had the video playing while I was farming some stuff in V rising. It's interesting how the metas are really because I'm sure if you were to talk about my meta here in Silver it would be vastly different.
About strategy, I think it's pretty underrated how strategic you have to be. There are so many times where I made what I thought was a minor mistake which ultimately lost me the round!
Donkey Kong back at ya! And yeah people drastically underestimate the importance of strategy in this game because it is pay to win. The thing I always say is at the top level everyone has spent a ton of money so strategy matters still. Thanks for watching!
Donkey Schlong Dong Kong! Great collab Drock and Shini!
Lmao donkey schlong hahah
donky kong! loved the colab! I've been deep diving into arena lately and I found this to be very informative and interesting!
Ah that's awesome! So glad it was helpful and donkey Kong back at ya!!
Donkey Kong , hahaha, Adrian I did itttt
Hahaha love it! DK baby!
Donkey kong... rewashing too. You guys should start a petition to have Plarium give you balancing authority!
I wish!! That would be incredible. I'd fix those champs up asap! DK to you too!
What a great video, just needed one more thing....Donkey Kong to appear as a surprise guest :)
absolutely awesome collab, donkey kong mate.
Thanks for the love! And DK to you too!
Donkey Kong! Great collab :)
Thank you! Donkey Kong!
Super interesting discussion! This was great, donkey kong 👍
Great collaboration Donkey kong and Mario.
Great collab, good to know about these counters. And I agree with you guys on balancing.
Thank you! Balance is the most important thing for sure. It's my number one desire always.
quick Donkey Kong, very nice to have the meta broken down like this!
And a donkey Kong to you my friend! Thanks for watching!
Donkey Kong @BigPoppaDrock 🤣
Appreciate you!
Very much enjoyed the synergy between you two👍 Donkey Kong!
Donkey kong 😂 I play arena a lot but here I found couple things what I didn’t know. Thank you guys for useful content. 100% like 👍
Little Miss Annie is used?!? Do you have z video on using hef in LA and does she need insane gear to eork? Ive been using SWK and Baron as my onlg nukers
So her recent buff has definitely made her more usable though I still think she's not as good as other Nukers in the current meta. I will do a video on her soon though!
@bigpoppadrockrsl I look forward to it thank you!
Yes, I did watch this video until the end. Donkey kong xD
Watched both videos (Shini's as well) and enjoyed every minute! Great ideas. Poly needs to die :)
Been asking for this forever. Thanks to both of you!
Hope it's helpful!
@@bigpoppadrockrsl very enlightening. Much appreciated.
What a great collaboration !!
Thank you!
Donkey Kong great vid my guy!!
Love this! Great video, y’all are awesome!
Any suggestions on how to build Ramantu for LA ? I just got mine today pulling for champ chase
Thank you! Go with 1 turn Stoneskin with lots of resist to avoid Polymorph and a ton of accuracy. More accuracy than resist but both are needed. Good speed as well. Good luck!
Awesome vid man. Ive been wanting this colab for awhile i watch both of you guys to get my pvp fix. Yall are sleeping on alot of champs one in particular is fenax especially now with empowerment he smacks so hard and his a1 is block revive, my main counter to everything is my gharol in 9 piece slayer not much can survive her destructive force she wipes most teams with ease and if slayer procs forget it. Thanks for yet another great video man. Built different. 💪💪💪
Built different for sure! Appreciate the support! And yeah Fenax could have a real use now with empowerment 💪🏻
id kill to have half the luck your account has pulling the mythical
Donkey Kong 😂
Haha I love it!
After years of bad luck, in the last months plarium gave me Galathir, Toshiro, and Siphi, im still bad at PvP, but now im thinking of doing it more often.
Before i watched your videos i didnt know how good Galathir is.
Donkey Kong ain't got shit on me!
Hahahah love it 😂
DONKEY KONG!
Great colab.
Shrek voice donkey 😂 amazing video drock
Enjoyed this video so much guys!
Donkey Kong! Love the video guys!
DONKEY KONG! 3 year Player here love me some Arena….Great Colab guys. Can’t wait for the next 1!
Great collab...donkey kong :)
Thank you! Donkey Kong to you my brother!
My 2 favourite channels for pvp is both of u. Always helpful n u reply lol
Appreciate that! Shini is an awesome creator and really glad both of our channels are helpful!
1:03:20 one really underrated champion is Emic Trunkheart who puts up unkillable and taunt and also resets your cooldowns by 1 turn + can increase enemy cooldowns if he has shield. I use him very often vs very strong Taras and Narses teams that I know I can't survive against otherwise.
P.S. Donkey Kong xD
Very true! I got wrecked by an Emic team one time. Was a nasty synergy. And DK back at ya!
Donky Kong! Great video!1
Thanks! 😁
Donkey Kong! Since I moved to end game I also enjoy PVP more and both of you became my most watched CC. Keep it up!
This is a topic I've been super interested in for a while.
What are the answers to the various PvP problems.
Stoneskin - Bombs
Tormin - Dark Elhain
Just as examples
It's on like Donkey Kong!
Donky Kong, guuuut stuff!
My two favorite arena enjoyers doing a collab. Today is a good day.
Edit: Great discussion, and that idea of each player getting a blind ban before anyone starts picking champions is easily the best idea I've heard for making live arena better. Plarium hire these two + Saph to balance the game!
Donkey Kong!
Donkey Kong!
Donkey Kong looking good!
Anyone who genuinely thinks Armanz is not overpowered is guaranteed level 60 or below.
I've also noticed some f2p players who are in denial cause they don't want him nerfed. Armanz is completely broken
Go first n win 100% of the time. It's 100% not good fir the game
Cheat cide for waves lol @@realscoobs
Until they fix others they need to leave him alone he can be countered like any champ lvl 96 spender with a decent roster and I don't completely agree. He's a great champ and I happen to have 2 of him thanks to the latest 25% event. If he's built right yeah he is a menace but he is not a guaranteed win 🤣 he's not as broken as y'all act like he is. The ones crying about him either don't know how or don't have the champs to counter him. Plus in live you can just ban him. He's working as intended just like the Ukraine duo and many other absurd champs.
@@odiumhh if you get Armanz in arena and don't win then you might just be bad at the game
Donkey Kong 😂😂🎉
Hell yes that's what's I'm talking about haha!!
Awesome content, I would have watched a video twice as long 😊
Appreciate that! One day I'll make a 3 hour raid video haha
Nice work guys 👍 really enjoy the video 📹
Thank you!!
s/o to donkey kong and thanks for the actionable advice in the video.
Best PvP collab video ever!
would you consider Tormin as mini wukong counter ? i often use it as after revive he often gets frozen
He’s decent but not as good as Eva or Harima or UDK.
Actually yes he could work. Block revive is better I think but sure Tormin works too!
Ankora is a pretty good counter against mikage because she protects your nuker. And UDK is decent as well the same way he is decent against siphi. A big counter for Siegfrund not mentioned is gizmak. Big counter for siphi not mentioned is Krixia. She completely shuts her down if you have six star temporal chains on her. Magic champs are so good against krixia because she has a 35% chance of her lockout not working. Ankora works well. Or any magic nuker. Alaz is another great counter to Harima.
Great ideas! Thanks for sharing!
I have my Krixia with 6 star temp chains and she works wonders against Siphi. My Krixia has 860 resistance so Polymorph seemed less useful than temp chains.
Donkey Kong :D
Love it!
Great video these kinda of videos really help. Donkey kong
Ah good! Really happy they are helpful and thank you for the donkey Kong!
Donky kong! lets goooo!!!!
Hell yeah! DK FOREVER!
Haha donkey kong good pvp tips
Donkey kong!
DK hell yeah!
Excellent vid!
Thank you!!
donkey kong. Dig this content
Thank you! And thank you for the DK!
+4 fenax against galathir? Oh donkey kong
Absolutely could work. Legit a potential strategy now.
I just pulled a 6 star soul for Fenax. I'm excited to give it a try when I can
: O
I’ll make use of that hole of yours 😉
Thanks for coming to chat my man! Can't wait to rock some more collabs in the future!
Donkey Kong🤘
DK for sure! 😁
Sub this man, so close to test server. Donkeyyyy kong
Appreciate you bro! DONKEY KONG!!
@@bigpoppadrockrsl I'm trying to help ya lol
One of my favorite counters to Galathir is Fenax. A1 block revive. You can usually go faster than galathir and block revive the nuker. But I'm not playing against high level players, so I'm sure that strat wouldn't work against a great player.
Fenax is a great counter at the lower level for sure. Higher level he's always built in stoneskin and reaction so very tough to kill him even if you're faster.
@@bigpoppadrockrsl yeah, it's a totally different game at the low/mid levels.
Don King Kong!
The one and only!
@@bigpoppadrockrsl thank you brother! Quick question, do you know any good discords for champ builds? My clan don’t really help each other out with builds or anything like that
DONKEY KONG DUD
Oh yeah! DK!!
Donkey kong :D
No way you are making me write Donkey Kong
Love the subject matter 🙏🏻
Donkey Kong.
Love me some DK!
DONKEY KONGGGGGG
FEEL THE POWER OF THE KONG
Donkey Kong! Although I had it on while doing a hydra run not sure which was longer. I would rather face Armanz every fight than Galathir.
donkey kong!
Donkey kong. Would love some coaching on live arena teams from either of u. I hate live arena with a passion. I think I struggle most with what to pick and what to ban.. might even be a gear issue... currently sitting in G2 of live arena
I've done a couple of coaching sessions for arena. If you're interested just hit me up in my Discord and we can set something up! And appreciate the Donkey Kong!
Nice co-lab
DONKEY KONG!
HELL YES DK IS HERE!!
Ally attack works to counter udk. Trunda or any aoe does well.
DonkeyKong 😅
Love it haha!!
Let's gooooooo baby!
Woooo!!!
I hear you , but you did say that turning some of the champs you mentioned into sheep was the counter. I’m just saying that if you get THEM to turn into sheeps then target them instead
Ah got it. So the issue there is it becomes harder to kill them directly in sheep form unless you have a multi hitter ability since they pop out of sheep and don't die right away on a 1 hit. But they're definitely less threatening when sheeped so there's that haha
@@bigpoppadrockrsl yes that is the issue and why I asked you and Shini….i know I can do it at my level. Low Gold three…the difference is the small pool you all at the top have to pick from. I just hope guys like you can shake the meta up..I’m not a big brain…I just have a fast siphi and Sigmund. Sig can drop sheep also with the A1 just not forever like my Fenax and Eva
Donkey kong😊
exelent video. I find out some new ways how to counter champions. By the way DONKEY KONG!
Donkey Kong
This is the way
1:09:27 gismak counter
diddy kong
Lmao I'll accept this haha
One thing i would add is that harima can get countered by narses if they have something like nekreth or bolster on the team. His double hit still can kill her through her passive and because her low hp she can be even block revieved by a very well build Mezomel or Narses. Even my Mezomel with pretty underwhelming gear does 60-70k dmg with the double hit to the harimas i face in Gold 1 live arena. Eddit: Donkeykong XD
Just be thankful you even pulled a mythical unlike 99% of the rest of the player base lol
What about attacking the sheep? In this meta, the chances for top players to encounter sheep is high…so start killing them. Ally attack can drop sheep. If you have a block revive closing out they’re done. Queen Eva specifically can drop almost any sheep forever if built correctly. So if you hate them so much then kill them. Grand oak is ok, Mikage, Tara’s and Maricela, Fenax as an epic, and with empowerment who knows? Maybe a few epics get in now.
That's not the issue with sheep. The issue is how often your champions become sheep when you try to do normal stuff like apply debuffs etc. You can't attack your own champions so that doesn't fix the issue at all. They need to lower the prevalence of champs becoming sheep in the first place.
Nice
Thanks!!
If you have Ugir you have a spectacular counter to wukong
Doc uses gismak all the time he barely get sheeped
Should get more attention what was preached in this insane talk
I can’t wait to get my Karnage and get counter hard by harima.
I'm curious to see how good he is. Have yet to go against him.