ULTIMATE Budget Gaming CPU?! 😁 Intel i5 13400F vs AMD Ryzen 5 7600
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00:00 Intro
01:00 Testing Hardware
03:33 Motherboard Overview
04:02 SSD Installation
05:01 CPU Installation
05:16 RAM Installation
05:57 Graphics Card Installation
06:36 Power Supply Installation
07:55 Turning it On
09:42 Benchmarking the Intel CPU
15:11 Setting up the Ryzen System
16:54 Cinebench Test
17:20 How CPU bound is the Ryzen 7600?
17:49 Benchmark Graphs
20:34 Graphics Card Suggestions
22:31 Conclusion
24:22 Outro - Наука та технологія
It’s good to see DDR5 prices coming down. Hopefully we can get some cuts on boards. Gpu’s who knows. I guess my 3060ti will be with me for a while.
3060ti is still good for a long time
Appearantly AMDs demand for at least 10 layer pcb and high licensing fees are a reason B boards are so expensive. Iam afraid those prices are here to stay for a while.
good card to be stuck with
picked up the 13400 and its got all the performance i need and hardly ever goes over 65W, efficient as hell 10/10
+amd has ton of driver software issues..
@@durukan6312 I dunno, but I have zero probs.
Ive been waiting for this vid! Did not disappoint
You're honestly a really great personality, dude, you're entertaining to watch and I feel like you bring honesty and well-researched opinions to every video you make, I really hope you keep your faith and continue making excellent videos for us, we may not tell you enough, but we appreciate you, as we should, you're a shining jewel in the youtube techspace, have a blessed new year, and may you continue earning successes and more community adoration, you're a good guy, all the best champ.
Your videos are always fun to watch. I appreciate your energy!
I knew I loved your videos for a reason and then you pull out the F1 and do the whole launch scene. 😂🤘🏼 I love it. It sounded in point
Congrats on 1k videos!!!
Would be interesting to compare them with 5600x and 12400 to see how much faster the new cpus are
Very little difference randomgamingHD did a 12400 vs 13400 comparison with a mid range graphics card and there was 1 fps diff in gaming benchmarks, productivity benchmarks showed more advantage to the 13400 but gaming, very little difference
My choice is with Ryzen, but you definitely can't ignore the 13400. The 13100 is not worth it in my opinion for its current price since its basically a slightly higher clocked 12100 that doesn't give that much more performance, but the 13400f is basically a 12600k that is worse at productivity but the same at gaming along with all those e cores for a good amount less. Definitely a good buy
Yes and the 13500 , has 8 vs 4 e cores plus higher clocks and not much more than 13400.....
I would absolutely love to build a gaming PC but would 100% get addicted to Hell Let Loose. I've got work to do, can't trust myself lol 😂
I’m wanting to get a R7 to go with my 4080, but I’m waiting to see the 3D to see how much lift it gives. Plus how much it is to see if it’s worth it.
Wish someone would do a video covering current motherboards (both Intel and AMD side).
Another quality video Marcus!!! Love em all and the dad jokes lol
Eyyyyy goodjob on 600k and also your 1000th video!!!! Keep it up
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I see on amazon uk, the 7600 is slightly higher price than the X variant, I guess just because it's new and in demand. But I still would need the cheaper motherboards to make the am5 switch I wanted.
its also cause it comes with a wraith cooler..
@@njramsfan30 the difference was 25-50 GBP which is not just the cooler hehe
@@daunted2322 7600 costs £230 on most places. I don't think i can find 7600x under this price
@@McCarthy880 I prefer to buy from Amazon. Hence, why I referenced only Amazon. :)
These were 2 CPUs ive been looking at, i wanted a Ryzen 5 7600 but also didnt want to mess with DDR5 and motherboard combo, but decided to research both more
Which is how i found this video 😚
I've been running the numbers on that thought.
It basically boils down to do you wanna play 200 extra now? Or replace the whole system in a few years instead of 1 part.
@@BuzzaB77 I always replace whole system after about 4 years. Current one is far older than it should be due to GPU madness, nothing worth saving
@@dragonl4d216 the 5700x is slower in multicore... but keeps up and is sometimes ahead in gaming.
@@dragonl4d216 the 13400 scores 15890 the 5800x scores 15228.. how is your 5700x scoring more? pbo? oc?
@@TheBURBAN111 PBO enabled, curve optimizer -20mV, max boost frequency +200. I can actually go even higher if I had a better cooler. I am using a 120mm tower air cooler inside the nzxt H510 which thermally constraint me.
Wait a minute... I've never seen you wear a hat! No wonder you're so willing to "bet' it!
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thanks for this, Im set with a zen 3 build already, but after all the shopping and "do this and that" videos, it got to be fun seeing these Vs videos. Although, i know its a "why bother" kinda situation, but, should have downloaded the games using Ryzen as well, to see if it topped out. Thanks!
I read the 2.5 Ethernet port has issues and has to be disabled on Intel mobos
Great video keep it up
Just a quick silly question but when you are bottlenecking on the CPU aren't you just testing processor cash capability and shouldn't you be looking for results just below the bottlenecking to get correct frame times?
3:15 I'd happily spend that extra 100 for the AMD platform because I know I can upgrade to two or more Ryzen CPU generations down the line, compared to the intel counterpart which is a dead end platform (and realistically has only the 13700k or 13900k as the upgrade path)
AMD fanboy stopped
i'd happily save that 100 for the Intel platform because i know i can use that budget to upgrade to a stronger gpu or other parts.
Well and then? They didnt say the truth, they said am4 is for all CPUs and then came am4 and incompatibility with 1th and 2nd generation with the B550 and so on got a 3400g and it didnt work on b550 even with Bios Updates, it turns out it was 2nd Generation and if that isnt enough, they selling the Ryzen 7xxx expensive, so im back to Intel, they have new Core Systems and the TDP is much lower with the 13400f
Hi! I enjoy your content :) thanks for that! What do you think about swapping 7600(non x)+extra cooler with 7700+box cooler? What about price/performance, bottlenecking 4070ti/4080, temperatures and noise levels? :)
Edit - for a brand new build obvi :)
a great video card test. And why 2 different processors?
Amd for me, more of an upgrade path. It is a bit more expensive but your set up for next gen. So for me it was worth it.
Marcus, you belong on Skysports F1 with that commentary
can you do a comparrison between the 13400f & 13700f paried with a 4070ti maybe? felling the 4090 was a bit too much.
What memorie ddr4 you use ? 3600cl16 ?? And work good With no problems??
what kind of RAM comparison is it if you don't mention timings?
That was a great dobby impression. Loved it
I’m looking for a pc upgrade since I’m still stuck with a i7-4790 ….
Would this be a good enough upgrade , obviously I’d be adding newer ram and a SSD , I’m thinking this or i3
If you want to calculate real cost per frame, then also look at the performance per watt. it is totally in favor of amd right now. the R5 7600 has 65W vs intel's insanti watts 150+W. The difference could be like 70 euro's per year in electricty bills in europe.
Hi I'm based UK looking to get a mothjerboard for my 13500. Struggling to find a budget one with bios flashback. Any you suggest?
Was about to purchase the 13400f next month, but sheesh, the ryzen 5 is a beast for gaming, gonna think about it
@@tedteddy7679 is that good for streaming and discord and all that in the background?
@Ted Teddy was thinking about buying a 12400f cuz is really cheap on my country, but idk if the extra E-cores from the 13400f are gonna make a difference, since I do many things at the same time besides only gaming, like listening to music on spotify, talking on discord, and sometimes streaming, I still don't know, mi i3 10100f is very weak for my 3070 lol
I took a serious look at a 13500, for upgrading from my 9700k. Looking at the cache reduction and other variables like deadend plattform, i opted for a 7600 instead.
Should be a great pairing with my 6700xt.
I have never once heard of anyone I know upgrading into the same socket with a new CPU. It's just such a non-consideration and a waste of money to upgrade during the time that the platform is relevant, then becomes a waste of money to spend on an outdated socket once the socket is no longer current. The difference in platform price between the intel system and the AMD system could net you a 6800 instead of a 6700XT on the same budget, which would be a better place to put your money.
Going from 12->16GB VRAM and from 192-256 bit bus is going to be a better way to make the build last longer than buying the AMD platform and then replacing the processor again in a year or two. You've already built the system, and it's fine, but that's the consideration in a new build for buyers.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator The whole problem in your assumption is that you think i bought the 6700xt and didnt already have it
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator on the other hand I’ve seen a loooot of ppl swapping old ryzen cpus in am4 for a “brand new” 5600/x or 5800/x3D cpus whilst upgrading their gpus. That one smart move gave them couple of years of build use and saved money needed to build a pc from scratch (that’s my example, I’m going to build it from nothing in a month I guess) :)
Any reason why you didn't opt for the i5 13600k?
@@BravoSixGoingDark Its around 90 euros more and is, again, a deadend plattform. I felt like this was a double no.
I just got my hands on 3070Ti, and after 1080Ti and i5 8500 platform. I need to build new system around new GPU. I always used intel so I'm happy to try Ryzen 5 7600 maybe 7600x for the first time. Thanks for the video it make me made my choice. I would like to build PC that I can use for next 5 year and in the future just Upgrade GPU and CPU without buying new platform. Seems like Ryzen and DDR5 are way to go. Thanks for the Video
Go with ryzen 5 7600, the difference is too small and I get with overclock 5250 mhz, easy without tinkering myself, but just using amd ryzen master.
just bought my i5 13400 and i must say its the cooldest cpu i've ever had!! been using amd ever since i had a pc and this is a first time changing to Intel & had no regrets!
I'm thinking of the same. I'm leaving a Ryzen 5 3600 to the i5 13400f. With my 3060ti .. think it's good ?
@@bet9898 pretty good
Just started to build my 1st ever gaming pc. Got myself the b550 elite v2, 32 ddr4 ram. Ryzen 7 5800x and a 3060ti.. etc etc. wish me luck
yeah its a little bit more expensive but like u said u get 5 year upgrade path plus oc support for those who want that stuff. essentially u will save money on the future so spend those money right now to be safe later.
Ryzen 5 7600:
+Better gaming performance
+Better upgradability
-More expensive motherboard and RAM
i5-13400F
+Better productivity performance (more cores)
+Cheaper overall
-Worse gaming performance
Will you be doing the r7 7000 vs i7 13th?
Hello Nice job Can you do 13500 vs 7600?? With top and gang for buck GPU ???
What a banana benchmark. Awesome work Sir!
Please leave the benchmarks on the screen longer. Difficult to read all the numbers in 5 seconds.
I have a 3080 paired with a i5-11600kf. I want to upgrade to a i5-13600k for its amazing price or performance ratio. I mostly play games at 4K on my Sony TV and my 3080 is pretty much always maxed out. Would I benefit from the upgrade?
@@Shiddaruto I was planning on buying the i7-12700k but the i5-13600k blows it out of the water for cheaper.
@@Shiddaruto yeah I thought about it but that’s why I’m wondering if the upgrade is even worth it for the way I play my games.
Dont all the new am5 boards have a lot of problems? like bad drivers...wonky things etc....?
I understand that ddr4 is cheap but in the future and will be cheaper by not replacing the motherboard when getting the new CPUs while with Intel. If you want to get the 15th gen you will have to get the ddr5 and a new motherboar.
Was there a fresh windows install after swapping to amd?
Keep in mind, unlike the 13400 the 7600 can be overclocked if you want near 7600x performance. I have this weird feeling that the current BIOS releases for these "new" non k cpus are broken somehow as well. I've been seeing the 13400 losing to the 12400 in more than 1 case throughout multiple videos which makes no sense. How is a newer part with +4 e cores, more l2 cache and higher clocks losing to its older sibling? Computers are stupid. Or maybe it's the people coding things *cough* microsoft *cough* msi and gigabyte who have spelling errors in the BIOS *FUCKING COUGH*. How am I supposed to have peace of mind that my BIOS is coded properly if you cant even read a translated word, which is probably on a piece of paper in front of you and copy it to the bios without making spelling errors?
Hey guys I’m upgrading from i5-7500 / gtx 1060 6gb. I’m getting a 3060 Ti and can’t decide on cpu. Will the 12400f be fine? Or is the 13400f worth getting in the long run? Though an extra $100 AUD for me :/ and the 13500 is is $170 more. Don’t want to go overboard on the cpu if I don’t have to. Also may want to get a 1440p monitor soon so would that affect my decision. Appreciate any advice thankyou
id get 13500 you get so much more with just 10-20 usd more...thats the situation in the eu at least, might be diffrent in other parts of the world.
Problem with going intel is that you will be stuck with no future CPU upgrades on the cards. Meanwhile, you can get the 7600 and upgrade it 4 years from now with whatever will be out that time and get a significant performance boost.
Not quite true - a used i7 Inna couple years would be wayyyy better than the 13400
@@PcCentric or an 8800X3D might be an AM5 upgrade 😉
Yea now best one to get is 7500f for 211€ cuz u can upgrade to probably 9700, 9600x3d, 9800x3d something like that which will crush 13th and 14th i9 except if Intel does something special with 15th gen arrow lake but that's like a year, year and a half from now so who can't wait am5 is better and who's got still good enough cpu now probably wait for arrow lake to see if Intel beats 8000 Ryzen
Did you have a line of speed before making this video ? lol
I won't consider these as budget options for as long as DDR5 boards remain expensive. I guess you could go with a DDR4 motherboard and I5 13400F if you absolutely need to have the latest CPU for some reason. I still thnik that a better budget option for now is last gen Ryzen 5 or I5 with a B550/B560 motherboard.
I agree with ddr5 being a rip off tho even if some games need 32gb still be cheaper on am4 boards
@@jonathanoxlade4252 yeah, you practically wouldn't notice any difference in games between 32GB DDR4 or DDR5 and it's so much cheaper. It's been 2 months since I wrote the first comment and DDR5 prices still didn't change that much.
Pc centric please make a video of Rtx 3070 ti on best price for performance
"open up the graphics slot" lol
If I play at 1440p and have a 5900x, what's the GPU that best matches that setup, without getting CPU bottleneck? I was thinking of a 4080 or an XTX, but not sure if that would be overkill?
everything higher than RTX 3080 / RX 6800XT is starting to get into bottleneck territory (depending on your screen as well though), for a 4080 or XTX you should probably change out the 5900X with a 5800X3D to make maximum use in high fps multiplayer games.
@@BitZapple doesnt the 5900x do better than the 5800X3D despite the cache? Also if I get diminishing returns from anything above a 3080 which means every 40 series card out so far, then that's depressing given that the 5900x was more than £500 2 years ago. We're basically saying there's no point getting a 40 series card unless you're prepared to upgrade your whole rig. ie go to AM5 with DDR5 in the case of AMD. Either that, or I've got to got to 4K instead of 1440p. But if I go to 4k, the frame rates just aren't there in many games if u use RT unless I employ 'fake frames' for ALL cards above 3080 maybe with the exception of the 4090.
Lets say I'm happy on 1440p. But I DO want to put the sliders to the right in terms of graphics and I DO want to use RT. Doesn't that give the GPU more to do per frame and therefore not so much of a bottleneck?
I run a 5800X3D/3090 @ 1440p and it's very well balanced. The 5900x will be slower (vs X3D) in about half the games out there, but I don't think a 4070ti, XTX, or 4080 would be a bad choice. A 4090 would be overkill unless you plan to go to 4K or do VR (in which case totally do the 4090).
I already had a 7600x build planned. The 6700xt is £375 right now that's going to be very cost effective for a 1440p rig.
Go for am4 and save more money for better GPU for your 1440p experience.
@@redpill2634 why? A 3070 is 500 minimum and I don't care about Ray tracing? There's literally no better frames per price out there right now. Am5 is only costing me 200 extra at this stage anyway, and that's on overpriced mini itx parts.
@@BuzzaB77 get a 6800 or 6800xt. 6700xt is fine for 1440p but that little push to a 6800 will be nice for consistent 144fps without lowering settings.
@@Shvraz my monitor is free sync 1440p.
6700XT is a beast
was the intel chip still able to run gear 1 with ddr4 3600?
I'll upgrade to the 7600 when it goes sub $200
Why would I need to upgrade CPU if I'm getting the performance I want out of my GPU? If my newer games start dropping past a certain FPS then yes, I would upgrade my CPU. I think bottleneck is overstated, but I get the point. You can get more performance. I'm good with 120fps. Yeah, I could have 160, but its not necessary UNLESS I have a 144hz or better monitor. For those people, yes it is a bottleneck. Help me understand why my thinking is dumb. Great video no doubt.
if you're building from scratch, about $1,500, do you still recommend DDR4 and older platforms? or go am5. this is strictly gaming
He would recommend probably the "mid range build" from the following video he did. "The BEST PC Builds RIGHT NOW! 😀 (January/February 2023)
@@daunted2322 good point =) thanks!
ddr 5 only if you will have 6400+ and have card 3080+
I am confused as hell to pair with rtx 3080,either r5 7600 or i5 13400f .At present using R5 3600x .Any suggestions would be more than a welcome
5800x3d
Only reason I'm put off by amd cpus is because since getting my Ryzen 5 5600X I've had random full system crashes, like it black screens and reboots with the event viewer showing the WHEA logger error.
forgot how big the 4090 was lmao
Nice ! Now if only GPUs would not cost an arm and leg to buy, this would be way better.
My birthday is coming up in a week and I live in the uk and I am trying to get a good gaming pc but I just feel lost for what to do does anyone have any suggestions for where to buy one or what to do ?😅
which is best for android app dev i5 12400f ddr5, i5 13400f ddr5 , or r7 5800x ddr4
is a ryzen 5 5600x with a 2060 super a good choice
It's a no-brainer to opt for the AM5 platform if you trust AMD to handle it similarly to how they've managed the AM4 platform. Just imagine upgrading from a 7000 series Ryzen to a 10000 or 11000 series Ryzen with the same motherboard, mirroring my experience of moving from a Ryzen 5 1400 to a Ryzen 7 5700X with the same affordable A320 chipset motherboard through a simple BIOS update (MSI). Though I might be stuck with Gen3 PCIe speeds, the difference isn't substantial. It's not like Gen5 from the AM5 boards will become outdated anytime soon, and Gen3 is still kicking for me, at least.
I really want the Ryzen 5 7600, but sadly its motherboard only comes with DDR5 meanwhile DDR5 RAM is still very expensive. I'd go for Ryzen 7000 series only if DDR5 RAM could come out cheaper or its motherboard could still support DDR4. For now, I'd stick to 13400F with DDR4 RAM since I only do gaming, and the gaming performance diff between DDR4 and 5 is not that significant so it's not worth it for me. For a better future-proofing, Ryzen 7000 might be a better choice than Intel. This is just my opinion guys, feel free to share yours as well so that we can share knowledge each other.
You can get extra 10fps when you overclock to 5600 to 6000 mhz ram. 7600 is now the same price as 13400f. Yes ddr5 is expensive but future proof and dont forget 7600 is unlocked. And single thread performance is better
How the hell were you playing warzone in verdansk ?
Any reason I should get this over the 13500?
Pc Centric please use Msi Afterburner better display of benchmarks
i5 or i7 is plently cpu power for 4k maxium settings gaming. I9 is just overkill but with the smallest performance advantage.
I was just about to buy the 13400f and this video just came up.
This saved my life 😂😂 thank you
Drama queen
I have 4060ti and i5 13400 f coming will be good for Fortnite?? Can anyone tell me how much fps roughly
Make your damn mind up man. What's the point of matching motherboards for "the best apples to apples comparison" and then not match the ram. You can always show price options later, but for the sake of benchmarking you've sabotaged the results small difference or not.
This video just in time as I’ve just bought the b760
Value wise I'd honestly go with the i7 and a 4080 don't get the 4090 since the 80 is cheaper and gives almost the same performance even the xtx is good too
He nodded his head more time than my cow
In my country i'm getting 10mbps download speed and 0.9 mbps upload speed so be thankful if yours is beginning at 400mbps
i'm going to wait for 13500 to come out in my area and b660 or b760 and ddr4
I wonder how you test modern warfare Vs how hardware unboxed does it. I'm sure I saw a much better result in hardware unboxed latest video on 5600 Vs 13100
Would have been nice to actually do a Intel ddr5 board instead or add that as a third option
He has done some ddr5 testing previously, and it didn't make much different in gaming.
If i want to make a budget PC gaming, cant i used core i3 13th gen, so i can up the gpu maybe rtx 4050 / 4060, ram 32 gb with highest ddr 5 4800 mhz, ssd m.2 512 gb + ssd 2.5 4 Tb, and heatsink, to pressing my budget?
ddr 5 usless with 4060 , only 4070ti , and you shure you need 5-15% with 6400+- ddr5
@@saint9487 i read in intel website, core i3 cant used ddr 5 max just 4800 MHz can't more than that. Can't core i3 used to 6400 ?
@@SuperYouKey theare is stock and boost max profile, so need test how math will handle boost mhz, 13400f will be better, and not match cost deference, and for youre system you need 3600 ddr4 cl15, you cant boost it bc you need Cpu with K , to boost cpu+ memory
Budget? A motherboard, 7600 CPU, 16gb RAM and a cooler is almost as expensive as my whole current PC with a Ryzen 3600, 16gb ram, 1tb ssd and 5600xt gpu... So what would the whole PC be? 1500euros and more? Maybe in 2years with the new platform Budget builds might be possible.
I have a 13400f here next to me and have heard conflicting opinions about this card with 3060 and 6600XT cards. Those are the two cards I'd get for my 1080p gaming and also within my budget.
Can anyone advise me. I've heard the CPU is too much for those cards and the GPU would not perform at peak usage because of the CPU. I really only play Dead By Daylight, I'll get into Overwatch but i do have Xbox Game Pass for other titles to play in 1080p and my monitor is an AOC 1080p/165hz.
What's a good match for this 13400k. The video says 3070. Anyone have this with a 3060 or 6600XT?
you will be fine theres no such thing like to much cpu lol. id go for 13500 for 3090 or above though.
price of 7600 (with am5 ddr5 mb) is crazy ... i dont see a reason to buy this chip, u literally wasting money
If you're building a new PC, then with AM5 you're building on a new platform that will be supported for years, just like AM4 was.
Meanwhile, this is the end of LGA 1700. If you're building a new PC, buying Intel now means if you want to upgrade later, you'll also have to get an entirely new motherboard.
@@FSAPOJake
@@FSAPOJake It depends where you live, here in Brazil 7600 price is ok, but mother board and DDR5 is way too expensive ... If you buy a cheap Intel motherboard + DDR4 + 13400 you save enough money to buy an AM5 platform later when prices goes down ... So, for the prices now, longevity is not a good argument to sell AM5 ...
@@RicardoSilvaTripcallin germany 32 gigs of ddr5 is only 30€ more than ddr4 and the motherboards are the same price
I My country 7600 is cheaper than 13400 . And so is the motherboard…
Test 13400 with ddr5 same kit as Ryzen. You say it’s worth spending more to get more for 7600, but dont bother to do so for the intel setup.
Sub-septa dard not apples to apples.
Is the 13400f faster than the 12600k
cant wait for A620 boards
Would a 1660 Super work in this system without gpu bottlenecks?
Yeah, none of the, even budget, current CPUs won't be limiting 1660 super.
Do you think I should get a 4080 or 4090 with the i5 13600k
get both ,, send me the one you decide you don't want
Don't. The prices are crazy.
@@itsJPhere I know but it’s just because I’m getting a 3070 now and in around 2 years I will upgrade
I plan to stay 1080P so the intel is the best deal for I. I want a cheaper ITX motherboard than you can get with new AMD boards and to use the ram I have.
CGetting a 7600 soon. No GPU yet. Probably get 7600XT or 7700XT when it comes out. Probably steal my son's RX580 8GB in the meantime after I get him a 6600
45 pound CPU cooler? Why is everything so heavy in your country?
Motherboard and ram producers said that they want a piece of cake. With games being less and less fun, plus greed causing hardware and game prices ( pay 2 win) to rise we may see pc gaming market shrink pretty soon.
Can anyone elaborate why DDR5 ties you into 32gb?
I have that exact graphics card nice! 6:08
Brother you should fair 13600 vs 7600 to be fair with same ddr5 it not fair enough
13400F is good enough for my 4K60 gaming needs. GPU matters more anyway.
I don't game much and my old gaming PC lasted me so many years. This roadmap of having to swap out CPU and Mobo down the line doesn't apply to me maybe. My last gaming PC lasted me like 8 years