Should America offer reparations for slavery?
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2014
- Ta-Nehisi Coates discusses his article “The Case for Reparations” about whether America should make amends for slavery.
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UA-cam should implement a feature where comments made by commenters who haven't watched the whole video are highlighted.
For REAL!
Also highlight those who were never slaves and those who never owned slaves-everybody.
@@msomebody4720 irrelevant, non germain and inconsequential to damage being done, and the countries responsibility to repair them
@@msomebody4720 youre a dope....youre a dope unable to understand the difference between victims and people that have been damaged, which blacks are both.....
reparations are not being discussed right now in the country not because blacks are declaring themselves victims, they are only being discussed because those who wish for black votes, can utilize this carrot...but reparations are paid because damage was done, and the remedy is reparations...like reparations we paid to the jews, jappanese, native americans and anybody else it was deemed profitable to whites to pay.....we can say reparations were paid to wall street, when excess greed and corruption hobbled their market share in the countries bottom line...we can say reparations were paid to the immigrants who were paid 270, million acres of land given to whites (which at the time was 1/10 of the country), to immigrate here.....or the GI Bill (which to date was the largest payout to middle class americans ever (because it created the middle class and white american suburbia)).....or minority small business loans with white women leading the stats....
right now we spend a billion dollars a month in the middle east, keeping up the war effort...
but blacks who been enslaved, brutalized, degraded, raped, jim crowed, lynched and anything else heinous you can think off, since 1619, are not eligible to be classified as damaged?
@@msomebody4720 youre a dope to stupid to see the forces rising against you and people who think like you...dont make comments when youre too fuckn stupid to read and understand the replys...simple, huh?
You know how amazon tells you if the commenter actually bought the item, I believe youtube should tell you if the commenter actually watched most of the video...
Dude, that is a really cool feature...
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It does now I think
Dude! This isn't about slavery. Why the hell are you putting "slavery" in the title? The article-- and the interview-- very clearly is talking about much more recent stuff, especially housing policies.
England should pay reparations if anything
Riley O'Brien Africans should pay because they captured and sold the slaves in the first place.
Black Supremacy THe countrys involved in the slave trade have been offering them in some form or the other Ghana is a good example of this and i think 1 or two other countries in that region
Nathan Thompson yeah i know allot of great African kingdoms were born out of a flourishing slave trade with Arabs and Europeans Including Benin and Ghana, but with the British ban on slavery they all pretty much collapsed.
Riley O'Brien Not really - it's not about selling slaves in the first place. The slaves were used to build the US under bondage, while white people used Christian doctrines to justify that its OK for blacks to be slaves, which is what they need reparations for
Riley O'Brien also North Africa should pay reparations to Europe for the barbary corsairs
He's such a great writer. Wonderful conversation.
+Wilkine Brutus Keep looking for racism, Coates. I promise, you'll find it, everywhere.
This guy is a racist pig who is profiting off the division of the United States, by exploiting black people and exploiting existing racial tensions. His father was a black panther and he is spewing the same hatred across the land from his liberal safe haven.
+Ed Bzoky Exactly. Ta-Nehisi is more of a slave than those who came over on the ships... he willfully (or, out of ignorance), put on his own shackles. Political and economic ones, fabricated by the liberal democrats who are the new "plantation owners."
+Wilkine Brutus He's a bigot, race baiter, and a puppet to the extreme left wing. But hey, I guess he can write (or has a good editor because he damn well can't speak very clearly).
+Jay Mull Yeah, make them right! Maybe we need something like Affirmative Action in the USA. And while we're at it. let's open up a bunch of Black-only Universities and Colleges. That'll make sure that in 20 years, black people will embrace education and leave the violence and poverty associated with the legacy of slavery behind them. Why didn't someone think of that before???
+Catch-22 Yessuh! Yessuh Massah Suh! Dems sho wud be gud too, okie doke!
no
why not?
Because it would be impossible and grossly offensive to everyone.
Mr Obama had an ancestor who was an African-American slave, on his "white" mother's side. Plenty of Americans will have ancestors who were both slave and slave owner, how will these uncomfortable truths be reconciled?
How many Americans have at least one great-great-great grandparent who was either a slave or slave owner? A lot is the answer. Will some people not be "black enough"? Or should white people like Mr Obama's mother qualify?
Does that make sense?
I could not disagree more. First there is nothing impossible about it. According to the census bureau there are approximately 46.3 million people identified as "black" living in the U.S. last year. Clearly, not all of those people would necessarily have a slave descendant but if reparations of 1 million were paid to each of them that would only cost approximately 50 million dollars. The government pays 336 million dollars just for one F-22 Raptor. One less jet last year and the reparations can be paid for with plenty of change. Therefore, this is very financially feasible. I also think it would be a small price to pay and well worth putting the specter of the evil of slavery and oppression behind us in this country.
Who ever is "black enough" to be counted as a black person on a census bureau would take. Problem solved. . . I do not understand why all of the sudden it becomes so impossible to identify a black person all of the sudden. If it is harder to pay reparations now because the government (that promised them after the civil war) did not deliver, it is the government's fault. The problem that the created cannot then be used as a shield to liability later.
What is grossly offensive is that reparations that were promised and legally justified were withheld and Jim Crow laws and other patently racist and oppressive policies endorsed and supported by the government continued their reign of terror on the black community for many years to come. I assure you that the vast majority of at least 46.3 million "black" people would not find this grossly offensive, even if you personally do.
The ancestors of Japanese placed in prison camps during WWII and the ancestors of Native Americans that were murdered and plundered by the government receive reparations for the acts committed to their ancestors. No one is grossly offended by that and the government has not collapsed due to commitment to do so. Even if you found this offensive that would not create a justification that they should not be paid. It seems like you just don't want them to be paid for some internal reason. The government conducted itself in an illegal and immoral fashion, like in any other situation those victimized (or their ancestors) should receive some compensation.
Firstly, a million dollars to repay a lifetime of slavery is simply disgustingly profoundly offensive. Like an unbelievably disgustingly low number.
Secondly 46.3 million people multiplied by a million dollars is a whole hell of a lot more than 50 million or even 336 million. Add a lot more zeroes, a lot.
Thirdly, a whole lot of "white" identified persons have ancestors who were slaves. The vast majority of reparations would be paid to people who look white but have some black ancestry. (Like Mr. Obama's own mother) Mr Obama would be eligible because of his white mother, not his black African father.
If we do not provide the same treatment to all descendants of slavery (regardless of apparent race) then we're being racist against people because they're not "black enough" their ancestor's suffering doesn't matter.
I have no problem with reparations *in theory*, I do have a problem with them in practice. I also do not think reparations will provide any justice or healing. Money does not repair wounds like that, at all, in any sense.
> I also do not think reparations will provide any justice or healing. Money does not repair wounds like that, at all, in any sense.
Money can help fix disadvantages in our communities. Much of the problem is that there is no legitimate economy in poor black neighborhoods. It's also the case that most schools in lower income, inner-city neighborhoods have failing schools that basically serve as a pipeline to prison. Reparations money could provide significant economic and academic resources for people who are born into circumstances which place them 50 feet behind the starting line.
I am white. I am Irish. My family immigrated to USA in the late 1800's....should i pay for reparations as well because i am white?
Yes, stop making stair man arguments . you pay taxs. The us goverment cuts the checks. By your logic why do i have to pay foreign add Israel .
BLacK Rose641 nobody should pay anything, none of y'all deserve anything special, like every other race. You deserve what you earn not sitting whining about the past.
@Royce Poor kid.
@robert howard they left Ireland, they were kidnapped
yes
He never said "whites" owe blacks anything personally but the country as a whole does and the least America can do moving forward is to acknowledge its past sins particularly when creating national policy moving forward.
That is a fact that will always be misconstrued in every argument against reparations by white supremacists and white supremacy sympathizers.
+Markell Smith If we want to be really specific, the government of the "United States of America" only permitted slavery for 77 years (starting with the birth of the US Government in 1788 and formally ending with the 13th Amendment in 1865). The genesis of slavery in the "new world" was, as you say, the result of Europeans (Spanish, Portuguese, British, others). If anyone should pay reparations it would be those nations' governments. The USA has acknowledged past mistakes... MLK Day is a Federal Holiday. Affirmative Action. Black History Month that was originally Negro History Week (a term coined by a black historian, before you go calling me racist) and supposed to be temporary. A host of funds and grants to help disadvantaged blacks in their rotting self-made ghettos. A litany of Historically Black Colleges and Universities. A black President and a former black head of the Dept. of Justice. Many black senators, representatives, governors, mayors and other elected officials. Black integration into every walk of life, from sports to the clergy and everything in between. What more do you actually want in policy?
800lb Gorilla Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole -Ta Nehisi Coates. A free day off from work doesn't compensate for all of that. Affirmative action was a false start because failed to address our educational situation and as a result pushed African Americans further in the wrong direction intentionally awarding them undeserving positions they couldn't possibly be qualified for. I won't even go into your comments about Black history month or our 'self-made' ghettos as if redlining is as much of a myth as those McGraw Hill history books they miseducate our children with in public schools. At this point I'd settle for police officers being held accountable for choosing not to exercise non-lethal force and murdering civilians. I'd settle for a path back to reclaiming full rights and citizenship after incarceration and give all those African-Americans a real shot at not being forced back into the criminal justice system. I'd settle for that in terms of policy. For now.
There is the misconstruancy I spoke of. No matter how much evidence you provide, white supremacists will come with a few half truths and justifications for the wrongs and their unwillingness to help rectify it.
+Markell Smith Yes, ignore the facts and keep repeating the ultra-left victimization narrative. You are still a slave, that part of you have right, but to white politicians and you wear shackles of your own creation.
I remember having to read this for a philosophy class and having to write a report on it. Very interesting article, even if you don't support his argument, you can't deny the institutional disenfranchisement that both government and society has heaped upon blacks and other minorities. This discrimination leads to poverty cycles, prison pipelines, more discrimination and a loss of self-worth among members of these communities.
America really needs to change the way it treats people of color. Even if you don't see or hear racism yourself, it still exists both on the surface and even more prominently in the system: the policies, practices, mindsets and biases of people and the bureaucracy. As a result millions suffer every day. And whats worse is the next generation of communities of color look just as likely to endure the same, enclosing circumstance.
TKD list ones that are not ?
The Presidency, the House and Senate, SCOTUS, all universities, HUD, etc. etc. You can't point to ONE "racist" institution in this society- even the judiciary- although I suppose that's raycissss- y'know, holding blacks accountable for their behavior. Everyone knows they're poor lil dears with hurt feels whose behavior is not at all their fault.
Blank Spott The entire prison industrial system. The justice system. The denial of whites is real.
Melissa Bosley, well said, and hella consice. Winks.
TKD, further, if you're trying to say these things are not racist, tell me why. Don't shift the burden of proving why they are not on to me and rely on me to do the research work for you. As I said in my previous post, you do your side a disservice and only serve as evidence that your kind lacks compassion and perspective.
I love how Ta Nehisi is calling for us to engage our imagination about what the country could be, not limiting the ideas before they are even expressed. What positivity and creative dynamism. Such a stimulating talk, I really look forward to reading his books and hearing more from this gentleman.
Obviously you can't give every descendant of slaves money because it would cause too many problems such as who gets and where it would come from. However, there are many people that still live in poverty by being descendants of slaves or black people who were oppressed and segregated, pushing them into poverty. The government should help these communities and people by providing services and helping to bring the communities out of poverty. Denying that slavery and segregation had an effect on many primarily black communities today is part of the problem that contributes to racism and classism towards these people, based off what there ancestors were forced into.
Serigne Diaw Coates notes that there would have to be a recognition of class in these reparations. Beyoncé won't be getting lump sums of cash but maybe her poor cousin will. Also, he points out that some of the reparations would be educating people better. Actually teaching the truth about systemic racism and racist discrimination would be critical as well. Imagine how differently our country would operate if everyone had a solid grasp on the relationship and history between the US government and black people.
That got ways of figuring out who native American and who's not. It's a lot easier to figure out who's a descendant of a slave and who's bot
NineHazard if anything money should go to our schools and art programs. Don’t give it to me, give it to the art school I currently attend that’s in a mostly black community
The US gives Israel billions of dollars a year. The US also gives billions to corporations as well as other places that we have gone and literally destroyed just to build them back up. You could very easily Shore up some kind of reparations package for the desencdants of slaves here in this country. Just like Germany paid for it's part in one of the holocust. Additionally there could be special provisions made on the national level for DOS such as not having to pay federal taxes for atleast as long as slavery existed. There should also be lands set aside for all of the documented times that land was stolen from AADOS! That would be a start. Free college education and training should also be a part of the package even if it is only for HBCUS. Government funded. And truth be told America owes it to AADOS more than it does to ANYOTHER group of people in the US besides Native Americans.
Other races done wrong got reparations with no problem!! It only becomes a problem when it comes to the descendants of slaves in the United States who help build America's colleges like UNC chapel hill, Harvard, and Duke University being started off from slave money(first called trinity college)
I'd prefer they just spend the money on education etc for whoever needs it the most. That way you help those black people who need support to break through as well as people from a different complexion who also need aid to get a higher education or receive the opportunities to reach their potential.
What! Doesn't Oprah need reparations? If you don't support poor white people giving Oprah money, then you must be racist.
I agree people need to research the civil war and stop listening to these people erasing our history and changing it to suit their opinion. Truely educated people can see the basic fact that creating holidays and organizations focused on a specific race is racism. White business owners and white history month and white lives matter are racist. Why isn't black
Of course you would.
@@craigbowers4016 You know people have nothing to say when they use strawman argument. In your words, because one black person is rich that means all black people are rich, and therefore don't need reparations? By that same logic, because one white guy is a serial killer, let's say Ted Bundy, that means all white men, including yourself, are serial killers then? Did you skip your high school education, since you clearly don't understand basic statistics.
@@craigbowers4016 It's not the "poor white people" who are giving Oprah anything though, it's the American government who gives billions upon billions of dollars to foreign countries every year. Has nothing to do with some random white dude shopping at your local convenience store.
This piece is incredible. I wish Vox would repost with a different title to engage more viewers. It’s clear that many of the comments and down ratings didn’t watch it.
well then especially the native americans, irish, chinese, mexicans should get reparations for their back breaking labor too
***** indeed thanks for the enlightenment
***** haha
There's a difference, they got paid hster
Ed Bzoky true, but by no means to the same extent. The slave trade was the most brutal form of slavery in history to date. Africans were the only group who were not pulled out the mess they were put in.
Sorry I don't know too much about the Chinese slavery other than the big scandal years ago. As for the other groups, women were never enslaved. Yes women aren't treated equally to menbut how can you even compare that to slavery. Plus women of color face a lot of difficulties white women will never have to; because sadly race does affect a lot in this country.
Asian people particularly Japanese were mistreated and horribly discriminated against during WW2, but afterwards they received reparations. There laws discriminating against Chinese before too with immigration exclusion but such things were repealed in the 60s. Irish people and other Europeans (non-English) were discriminated against and forced to live in ghettoes; but they were able to assimilate and blend in as white and therefore were able to benefit from white privileges. During the holocaust, the victims (mainly Jews) were saved when Germany was invaded plus Germany paid reparations. I'm not saying other racial groups didn't have it bad. What other group (in the context of America) were dehumanized and enslaved (by another race/country) to such massive scale? And you realize slavery only ended b/c of inflation essentially? If you delve in to the history of African slavery (not the mini details they teach in school), it's quite horrifying. I'm sure groups in other countries (under-developped ones) face horrific issues but as for in the US what other group was stepped on like that? And the stain of slavery still affects Africans/African-descedants today
the slave owners got reparations.......
for what?
if the slave owners got reparations why not the freed slaves.
The reasoning is distorted.
Those reparations were paid during the 1860s when everyone involved with slavery was still alive, and also when the perceptions of slavery were not as morally clear cut as they are today.
+Peter Nouveaux
Of course it is. I understand why the Nation of Islam teaches that "the white man is the devil!" Indeed, whites have historically proven to be an evil people overall.
Tanahesse Coates endorsed Bernie Sanders.
FEEL THE BERN!!
ninjagomaster312 not just more powerful, but VERY EVIL in terms of the barbaric form of that European domination took. Evil is the correct word here.
Dwight Jarvis
Blacks can't be racist. MTV said so. :)
FYI - Pulitzer Prize winner Isabel Wilkerson is author of "The Warmth of Other Suns"... he just mumbles the title - so I just wanted to add this comment for clarity & reference purposes.
This is the first time I am exposed to THC talking and I am shocked at how impoverished his argumentation and rhetoric is. He hardly scratches any deeper than right below the surface in almost all instances during which he talks about why his ideas are to be favoured. He falls short in almost every argumentative respect; I'm aghast.
Right and i'm in deep favor of reparations. For him to not think slavery is an important aspect of this discussion is ridiculous. And it be primary housing doesn't tell the whole story.
No.
Help everyone who's poor, not just descendants of slaves.
Slave descendants are uneducated and impoverished on purpose. Whats wrong with fixing our community after we generated millions of unpaid labor. Some Houses ppl live in now were built on STOLEN LAND by UNPAID FORCED LABOR .... Does anyone want to argue that point?!
Who will pay for that?
Of course black and all lives matter, I don't see a slogan discussion here
Proud of you. Considering all the hindrances, you’re out there making strides. I know Clarksdale Ms. I know the struggles . I’m from there.
He mumbled the name of Isabelle Wilkerson's book. Does anyone know the book?
The warmth of other suns
DONT ADVERTISE THE NAME
The Warmth Of Other Suns
I say all former slave owners can pay all former slaves reparations.
Thomas Salmons who are the slave owner and who are the slaves ? How do we track the records down and how much should they be paid?
They all deead
Robin de Klerk
Slavery was not the only wrong committed.
@@coldwind1791 Jim Crow was real.But how much was injustice .The are aspects which are cultural difference .Even now we are more likely to associate with our own race.I recall reading about a university where black students asked for a safe space where only blacks could go.
@Parker Stewart They are all Japanese.We can do better becsuse we have many more perspectives. We are tolerant but don't always agree.
How about compensation to the descendants of Union soldiers who freed the slaves.
Stinky Pete that’s hate speech!!!
With all Do respect the slavery in America were never freed Free to do what ? Much of the land own by ADOS were destroyed Black Wall Street Tulsa,Oklahoma 30 city blocks gone around the great depression burned down. And the local gov. Refused 3 million in restitution, look up the "devil's punch bowl" ADOS must come first sir ! I appreciate the kind gesture and you should get but now it's not the time Sir. You didn't enslave my forefathers and mothers the United states government did that your fight isn't with us and our claim it's with the U.S. Government. ! You fight for us we will fight for you it's a two way street !
Skinky Pete- i guess youre too dumb to realize that reparations are for people who were damaged by the country. .how were union soldiers damaged? and soldiers are paid, you dope
Stinky Pete None for you, you bastard. Adjacent to times of slavery is basically slavery. Send money now!
@@georgemckenzie1824 They paid in their blood, 360,000 in all, union soldiers, not to mention the cruelty of the prison camps such as Belle Isle or Andersonville.
Let’s look at how well this worked for Zimbabwe, it was a disaster . It’s utter arrogance that you think you could do better with the exact same thing.
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many people in the comments section are arguing things that he directly addressed. Like the interviewer said there is NOTHING NEW that you can say that would be a revelation Coates didn't address or in some extent think about. It is sad how people can heart his through selective ears.
No, my family moved to America in the 1950s...
We have no claim against your family my our claim is against the United States of America. Byyourlogic why should I pay foreign add to Israel. All you have is a straw man argument
@Jesse Brennan blacks ? Anyway I do not and cannot speak for all African Americans.
@Jesse Brennan, these are and were INDIVIDUALS who were given platforms to espouse their beliefs. They do not represent the beliefs of ALL black Americans. They are only THREE men who, as I said, were given the opportunity to..............
Progressive tax rates and government services that amount to guaranteed minimum levels of food, clothing, shelter and health care ... for every American.
Then we don't have to dirty ourselves in the swamp of "relative grievance," let alone to impossibility of adequately defining who qualifies as "African American."
I'm pretty sure slavery ended in the 1860s. Why are people talking seriously about this?
(13th Amendment) Slavery never ENDED......
'Between the World and Me' ... read it now ... required ... :-|
Click on screen, Press 6 several times. Thank me.
Haha. Thank you for this.
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It sounds like the other dude is saying "Bullshit"
The hell is wrong with me?
STaSHZILLA what does it do
Do we have to give reparations to everyone who has been repressed now? Or just blacks?
Your black man president spent eight years ripping the arms and legs off brown skin kids in seven countries with his Obama drones. Sayin
So one guy who is part of the corrupt system of America is the reason Black people shouldn’t have reparations? You understand that has nothing to do with the subject, right? But I get it, when you live in the dominant culture anything a minority does is a reflection of all the people like him, whereas if a person in the dominant culture dies something, it’s about the individual.
“Your black man president?” Do you hear yourself speak? You realize America voted for him
@@spensermitchell4106 one guy ? who obama?dude soecify who you are talking to and try to do a little better explaining yourself....cause if you read anything i said...you would easily see that i am fighting for reparations...
Spenser Mitchell black lot shouldn’t have reparations because the blacks of today were never slaves so you are nit owed anything.
Well mainly white people voted for Obama
Ta Nahisi Coates is not a only a genius for writing this article but is extremely intelligent pioneer and shows how lazy and nonchalant the federal government is and has been when it comes to acknowledging the impact Slavery, Jim Crow Laws and Institutional Racism on the average black person in todays America. Why have African Americans not been paid back for not only the 10's of trillions of dollars stolen from them through Slavery and Redlining? We have only been free for 150yrs compared to the 250 years of slavery not counting the 90 years of Jim Crow Laws. The federal government has basically said "why should we pay for what happened so long ago?" I'll tell you one thing. They dont have a problem reeping the financial benefits slavery has deposited into their pockets today. For example. When slavery was legal it was the #1 captiol value in america. No one product or company was more financially valuable then slaves. Even Bank of America and Wells Fargo owned slaves. What would the federal government, these banks, and the companies and families that exist today that gained their wealth from Slavery do if they had to give all that money back to the descendants of slaves? I'll answer that. They simply wouldn't. They rather sit back and let another 100 yrs pass by and watch African Americans continue to suffer this mass poverty.
The only way blacks will get what THEY DESERVE is if we unite & boycott different entities...I heard that blacks spend 700-800 billion dollars outside of the black community. If we boycott 1/10 of that they'll beg to give blacks what we want...Rosa parks showed how BOYCOTTS MAKE MUCH NEEDED CHANGE
PolakFury I think Mr. Coates' work is not necessarily to show America the answer to how reparations should work, rather, he is trying to create a general conversation about the need for reperations
I think the government has a responsibility to repair the damage it has done to our communities yes.
That didn't even come close to repairing anything.... Our schools are still segregated and inferior, there are still huge disparities in academic opportunity in secondary education, we have less access to quality healthcare, we still have housing disparities (red lining existed in my city until the early 2000s), this isn't to mention lack of reform in the criminal justice and policing system. all together the government has done much if anything to actually improve the quality of black communities. Communities which were purposely robbed of resources until (conservatively) the 1960s. that was 200 yrs of damage by the federal government and we have had maybe 10 true years of progress.
i meant has done little if anything.....
There are no slave owners alive and no slave alive. So reparations for what exactly?
watch this video at 3:16
or watch the whole video?
robert howard
The financial impact of slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, over policing is still seen today. That’s why white America is 228 years ahead of black America when it come to wealth (that’s how long it would take for blacks to catch up).
Blacks have had their land stolen by the government in the 20th century. Those Miami highways that people drive on everyday, runs right through a thriving black neighborhood that was razed to the ground and they were given no compensation for it.
Fadex Rucks
Slavery still exists in the world. It may be illegal but it’s still there.
the lies, negative campaigns, experimentation, murders, lost land, unfair interest rates, not being able to live, eat and sleep where we wanted....should I continue
[stream of explitives] This is the first time I've actually been convinced that reperations would be remotely reasonable. It's not about dead-more-than-a-hundred-years-ago slaves, it's about people who are still alive who were living in a half-rights world as recently as three decades ago.
I don't see any point at all in paying money to the (five generations removed) vicitms of globally accepted practices (Africa, Asia, Europe and both Americas used slave labor, thoroughly and for hundreds of years). I do see a point in trying to make amends for obvious, ubiquitous, and illicit actions made by and against people who are still alive. Basicly an award from a class action lawsuit, against the nation.
then it's reparations not for slavery, but for segregation. That makes more sense
I'll pay reparations when they start seriously asking the people of West Africa to pay reparations for capturing and selling their ancestors into slavery in the first place.
Demon first things first.
1. You need to remove "West Africa" from the picture.
2. You have no proof to point to any "West African" Tribe, Kingdom or Nation.
i will not ever pay for reparations who cares what they do
honestly this comment section is just toxic
Well... You're part of the comment section. So.....
snowflake
That is a stupid insalt
I have nothing to be sorry for. My family came here in the 1900's as poor immigrants. We were basically looked at as a different race. I have never been racist a day in my life, but yet im labeled as a racist just because of my skin color. Don't try to punish the people who have done nothing.
tell everything you are talking about to Mitch M.
Is anyone familiar with Tracy Morgan's "Brian Fellows?" from SNL? LOL
why are jeans and suits so popular? It looks so dumb
The way he is wearing it is tacky! But its not a bad look
I think Africans who sold their fellow countrymen into slavery should pay reparations.
I agree with that too. They should also pay reparations
It's not an old issue, it's a current affair, and equality in America is not going away until new generations dispose of the shadowy racism that goes in the subconscious of their minds. There was a guy named Buddha that taught people how to do this, a science of the mind. This needs to be taught in schools, all schools, all economic regions, all racially factive communities, and so on.
You want equality to go away?
Answer: yes, because the values of slavery and segregation from the yesteryears still linger today. Black Americans still suffer in poverty, because they often cannot get out no matter what, and face racism and colorism every day. Discrimination is very alive and destroys black lives.
The history of our country was literally built upon African slaves' backs. I think the American black population at least deserves an apology about slavery and segregation. U.S. history is not as clean as it seems, and that has to be acknowledged.
A good book is Michelle Alexander’s The New Jim Crow
I'm owed reparations my family fought and died to help end slavery. Blacks owe me.
It doesn't take an hour to say no. Change your title
Reparations were already provided during the Union army reconstruction of the South immediately after the Civil War as mentioned briefly by the guest in the video. Reconstruction gave former slaves the lands of the slave owners and political offices as a part of it. Much more was provided by reconstruction. Unfortunately, corruption, bribery, and fast cash for power and land resulted in the selling away of the incredible gains. For a short time former slaves owned the south and occupied most of it's political offices. As is always the case, economic gain without economic growth is a temporary situation. Therefore any additional attempts to uplift African Americans with a cash award would be fruitless. A better answer would be to stop racism in school funding and law enforcement as it is clear it is alive and open in these areas.
Thank you for this.. very informative..not just what was said in the interview but also with a valuable reading list. I thank you.
Regarding slavery (a subset of the issues raised by Ta-Nehisi Coates, who includes Jim Crow and redlining etc).
There is little doubt that slavery is one of the most pernicious and horrific yet extremely widespread concepts and institutions that our species has produced, occurring in many societies around the globe since prehistory. Most members of our species have some blood of a slave in them, and some blood of a slave-owner, if we go back far enough. People of all colors have been enslaved and have enslaved others.
But one subject today is Slavery in the US. That slavery was an evil institution is unchallenged here, but there's the question of who should be held accountable today for all that was done during slavery. Generally, this is held to the US government, but is that due to the culpability of that government, or in search for a party with "deep pockets" regardless of degree of responsibility?
Let's start before the present US government was even created. Leaving aside the slavery practices by some of Native American tribes, the European colonists brought the long established and widespread institution of slavery with them, including to all 13 British colonies. Trans-Atlantic slavery had began a century and a half earlier, in 1619. As the colonies were breaking away from England, many also broke away from slavery, starting with Vermont in 1777. (For contrast, if the US had not broken away from the British, slavery would have been ended by Britain in 1834, as it was in Canada)
By the time the Federal Government was formed in 1789, Pennsylvanie, New Hampshire, Massachuttsets, Rhode Island and Connecticut had also abolished slavery (albeit in many states this very early anti-slavery sentiment only won out by compromising on a gradual schedule) and had been forbidden in the "northwest territory" to the West (north of the Ohio River).
After the Federal Government was formed, by 1804 all of the Northern states had such statutes abolishing slavery. In 1808, the US prohibited the international slave import trade, but there was not the political will to end slavery per se throughout the territory. (Note that a LOT of non-slave immigrants arrived since 1808 to become Federal citizens)
The southern states, as we know, were adamantly against abolition, and would not join the Union if that was the requirement. So it was accepted in a tricky compromise. But the conflict over slavery remained a huge problem for the United States; it was a nation deeply divided over the issue. As we know, besides the nastiness out in the new states in the west, this lead to a bloody Civil War (the war was about slavery in that the reason the South attempted to secede was primarily over fear that the North was on a path towards banning Slavery, as shown in all their secession declarations). That was, in proportion to population, by far the most deadly and costly war this country has ever faced. And it did indeed result in abolition (via 13th amendment, passed after the war), even within the slave states that had fought on the Union side.
In all, slavery was - reluctantly and controversially - accepted in parts of the US under Federal Authority for 76 years (from the founding until the 13th Amendment). This represents the tail end of a multi-millenia long accepted practice, finally abolished.
It would have been wonderful if the European powers had never introduced slavery into the new world, better still if slavery had been abolished from Africa millenia earlier. And it would have been wonderful if those forming the new Federal Government had been able to agree to end slavery earlier, following the lead of the northern states (who were very early pioneers in the world abolition movement). And it would have been wonderful if it had not taken a horrendous war to finally end it.
I'm not seeing a clear path to assessing the US Federal Government with the full bill for claimed amends, however. The moral case is somewhat weak in my opinion. The case against the southern States would seem much stronger, or even against the British crown (and to lesser degree other European powers) for intitiating it and governing over it for centuries before the modern US was even founded (slavery existed much longer within the area to become the US - much less the world - before than after the Feds entered the picture). Of course, the private parties who actually practiced slavery, before and after the formation of the US, and who kept their states from allowing it to be abolished, would be the main culprits, but they are long dead. So instead the strategy is to hold the very government which finally ended the many centuries of slavery, at enormous cost to itself and its people, to be the party somehow responsible for the entire practice - mainly just because it has deep pockets.
WIth that level of reasoning, the Federal Government could present the ADOS (American Descendents of Slaves) with a bill for the entire cost of the Civil War, compounded at 6% per annum, as one offset to their reparation claims. Of course I don't actually advocate this, but the case is similarly strong so if we are to seriously consider one side we also need to consider the other.
I want to be clear about a few things: (1) I hold slavery as one of the worst things humans have done to each other, (2) I realize that Ta-Nehisi Coates raises other issues like Jim Crow and redlining, and I do not find all of them as questionable as the assertion of primary Federal responsibility for slavery (but I haven't researched or reasoned about them enough to have an opinion about reparations on those accounts), and (3) I believe that a forward looking desire to promote equality and justice is sufficient justification for Federal efforts to improve the lives of African-American citizens, without needing to invoke reparations.
What's the difference? Many, but in particular if the goal of Federal support is to materially improve lives, then the proposed methods can be measured against the real world success of given programs in so doing - spending money on programs which don't work can be ended while those which do work can be expanded. If the money is instead concieved of as "reparations", then recipients (poor or wealthy) would be "owed" the money even if it wound up causing more harm than good in the real world, or made no long term difference.
This is not coming from an anti-ADOS perspective. I have spend my life supporting candidates who have supported civil rights and addressing racial injustice. And please do not misunderstand this as any attempt to refute or even dispute TNC on all fronts;.my goal is much narrower. I am just attempting to follow the logic regarding slavery and federal responsibility, as we consider the future, not to move in any reactionary direction.
The issue is far too charged and important to be decided on false facts and high emotion alone; we need to reason together.
zeph smith-well thought out and it was a pleasure to read,a greatly articulated opinion..however i disagree with you, but, its still not the garden variety regurgitated refried WS parroted bs...thanks!!
@@georgemckenzie1824 I have no connection or sympathy for "WS" if that means white supremicist, so I certainly would not be regurgitating their positions (knowingly). I am trying to reason from first principles and some historical research, without trying to follow any political faction's party line.
Anyway, I'd be interested in how your opinion differs - how you have put together the pieces to come to a different view on the matter. It's a pleasure to discuss issues with people who think about them, and sometimes especially so if they come to different conclusions.
Wow! Obviously, you had a lot to get off your chest.
@robert howard, hey Robert! I'm back from my hiatus. I see you are still here.
Didn't read
wtf no... only if slaves were alive, which I highly doubt.
+KPopsicleSNSD Oh you highly doubt, huh? 150 years have passed. The oldest person in US is a black woman aged 116. She is 34 years late to the party.
You could offer reparations in the form of a five-year tax moratorium for black people. Then people who were not involved with or disapprove of slavery or not charge money for crimes they have not committed. Also the hardware person works the more reparations go in their pocket
The people who were not involved with? You mean everyone alive today?
Lets have some facts about actual deaths of Union soldiers who died to free the slaves in the Civil War. That's right these mostly white soldiers died, were maimed and lost their property to Free the slaves. How about a some gratitude;
Total about 650,000 Americans died in the War on both sides.
The Union Army fielded roughly 2.2 million men during the war.
Around 110,000 were KIA or died of wounds received in battle.
About 230,000 of disease which was rampant during the war and nearly 30,000 Union troops died as POW's.
Civilian deaths total around 50,000 From things like bombardments, Sieges, starvation and disease and an additional 80k slaves died during the conflict.
This is one reason why I think that the reparations debate is framed poorly. The federal government was in no position to abolish slavery until things came to a head in what was the Civil War, and it did ultimately act. A strong argument could also be made that the country paid a heavy price for ending slavery. However, the federal government _was_ in a position to bring about social and political equality to former slaves during the Reconstruction era, and it failed miserably. Federal reparations should be for failing to adequately enforce the post-war civil rights legislation until a century later. The costs can be much more easily calculated for this failure. That said, a strong case could be made for reparations from the several _states_ - rather than the federal government - that sanctioned slavery prior to the War.
BTW Union veterans and their dependents were eligible to receive pensions from 1862 on
I will admit two things before making my argument:
1. There are notable advantages to being white over black in the United States today. Criminal justice, housing, education and poverty; these are all things that a white American may at times have an advantage over a black American.
2. There is still much work that needs to be done to heal the wounds of many decades of racial discrimination.
All that to say, reparations is a silly solution to all the problems that exist. If it can be demonstrated that there are living victims or ancestors of victims were directly stolen from of physical possessions or resources then I can see that one might have a case for a reparation of sorts. An example might be land that was owned by a freed slave that was stolen and given to someone who did not have rightful or legal ownership of the land, then okay let's deal with these on a case by case basis but how do we even begin to even quantify intangible suffering that will be repaid in monetary compensation? Add to it that these reparations will be paid by those who did not commit these crimes.
Setting the precedent of children paying for the sins of the father is incredibly dangerous. This sets the stage for every child of anyone who has been wronged in the world demanding compensation for the suffering of their parents to be paid by the children of the perpetrator. This is the logical conclusion. In reading Coates article he argues that the United States should follow the footsteps of Germany in the same way they repaid the Jews for the Holocaust. Coates fails to understand that this act by the Germans towards the Jews was living perpetrators repaying living victims for the crimes that were committed against them. Much the same way that our western penal system works; perpetrators are using their lives to repay their society and victims. Do we begin to demand the children of perpetrators to serve time in prison for the acts their parents committed? Any honest person should see the injustice in that.
Coates also says we need to "research" the idea. Well Mr. Coates, most people dislike the idea from the get go, not because they don't want to see wounds healed but because they are intellectually honest enough to see it as a ridiculous and impractical way to try to fix the problems that exist. If Mr. Coates thinks that reparations is the answer then let's demand that he is the one who explains to white Americans who live in poverty that their wages will be garnished to pay for these reparations. Its a shame that we give such a silly idea such a stage for consideration. My last question to Mr. Coates would be, the checks have been written and blacks now live with a great amount of wealth but what has been done to help end racism? I'd love to hear how handing out money helps to change personal ideology on race.
Austin's Corner handing out money to Black's would boost the economy. 13% of America with 6o% of the spending money. why would this be a issue? Besides people don't want to take accountabilities for their forefathers actions. I agree with reparations in the form of land in businesses not so much money. Whites are still benefitting off slavery, Jim Crow, and the many years of black oppression that we STILL ENDURE TODAY. Africa is the riches continent in the world as far as natural resources but the poorest in everything else and still influenced and owned by immigrants. so let's not say Africa owes us. we owe them.
You still didn't answer any of the questions or confront any of the statements that I made. Reparations are silly because of course no one wants to be accountable for their forefathers actions because no one regardless of race should have to be. And if we want to set the stage for reparations than where does it end? Who can claim reparations from whom and for what? And unless land or money is being handed back to heirs that can be identified through public records of some kind; do you think we ought to give every black American something? Who are we going to take from and once taken who exactly receives? Finally, the burning question! We give all of this money to blacks and they go on to live in far more wealth than before but what has been done to end racism? How has handing out all that money changed the personal ideology of one single person?
You think racial divides run deep today? Well you'd be sorely mistaken once you laid eyes upon an America post reparations. It would only stand to stoke the fire of racial tensions, I guarantee you.
Austin's Corner so why does "our" sends billions of dollars to Israel and Japan
The only thing is that Coates, at least here, never makes the argument that reparations come in the form of the giving money. In fact, he avoids saying specifically what reparations *should* look like because we need something that actually does good in the long term, and we don't really know what that is. If anything, in bringing up German reparations, he even kind of suggests that this may not be the route to go. Since we don't know what it is, that's why he suggests that we study it.
Furthermore, you go on to say that Coates should be "the one who explains to white Americans who live in poverty that their wages will be garnished to pay for these reparations." Again, he makes a point that this is reparations from the state, not individual white people. Reparations aren't poor white people getting their wages garnished because they're white. A counterexample to this notion is that he suggests that a possible form of reparations, or part of reparations, is class based affirmative action, a policy that white people in poverty could also benefit from. The key here, and I don't think this can be stressed enough, is that reparations would probably take the form of policies that disproportionately benefit black Americans and communities. I would like the reiterate that this particular example might be a *possible* form, because, again, we don't really know, hence the need for us to study it.
Poverty? Go to the Appalachian mountain if you want to see poverty.
Very good interview by the way. I enjoyed every minute.
No they shouldn't, this is like making someone pay a dead relatives debts when they had nothing to do with them whatsoever. I can't deny black people are still mistreated and prone to prejudice, but why are they entitled to money from someone who's ancestor mistreated there's. Are we going to start paying the family members of someone your dead relative killed at war? No. Granted these are different situations, but both sound equally silly to me.
Did you read Coates' article? One of the biggest red flags of somebody who didn't is that they begin to talk about the finances- that is an incredibly minor point in his writing. We are talking about much broader and important issues that we would most certainly afford to any systematically oppressed group of people if we were any other country. Please read Coates' article before you assume what he means by "reparations". It does not mean a check.
GENERATIONAL PTSD?
DawnOfTheDead991 well said
@@ViktoriousDead Danks, and we had to watch our old neighborhoods turn into ghettos too
We should only pay people who have actually been slaves.
Not unless you owed a slave
If we calculate the contributions of American Blacks it wold be a negative balance. But instead of cash payment, non-Black Americans would settle for STOP BEING CRIMINAL.
Everyone sees reparations as something that should be done for slavery. Let's look at reparations for the systematic subjugation of a group of people. Please DENY A TIME IN YOUR LIFE, that black people have not been the target of subjugation by the US government. See the case for reparations now?
I'm not the US government
The people who are automatically saying no to this clearly didn’t watch the whole video.
Theoretically, reparations should be paid. But in practice, how do we do it? The people who participated in the slave trade, and most of the companies, no longer exist. The governments of some nations were complicit in the slave trade, and those governments still exist, but how do those governments get their assets today? From taxpayers today, who bear no guilt for slavery.
SquareOne I regret to inform you that your diabolical fallacies have already been debunked. You're only regurgitating this nonsense, because you know most White people are operating on the same frequency.
SquareOne "education funding in low economic areas"... Do you mean a separate institutions where 'Black' children can actually receive an education? Have you read Dr. Carter G. Woodson's book?
Sora Lee "I think SquareOne's problem with reparation is that both the victims and the perpetrators are no longer alive today: the only thing that remains is a legacy of socioeconomic inequality that especially affects African Americans."
And this sort of thinking disqualifies one from being taken seriously about anything, regardless of how rational one wants to craft the position - let alone require rational thinking to adhere to some standards of decorum. Psychopaths and sociopaths do not have the privilege to impose standards on rational thinking people - much less, demand their stupidity be regarded and treated as respectable.
Sora Lee There's no serious argument here. I'll let you know, when there's a serious argument, and I'll let you know if you're ever qualified to participate in one.
WarriorScholar Interesting how polite everyone was to you as if you were saying sensible things . They were assuming you were Black, so were in fact being racist, for not just telling you that you talk bollocks and to fuck off - as they would have done to any white person spurting such Crap
I think EVERY SINGLE citizen of the Confederate States of America is the onez that be owing you. Go get 'em. Leave the descendants of your US brothers who took arms and shed blood over this issue the eff out of it. Or maybe you think the sacrifices of the soldiers and their loved ones weren't enough.
It's called theUSA
Great video
The time for reparations would've been in 1865. There were options on the table: send the freed-slaves back to Africa with a lump-sum reparation; give them their own state/land west of the Mississippi, integrate them into society. The Yankees opted for integration, the Confederates wanted them back to Africa with a pay-out. The North considered sending them back but didn't want to pay and they the blacks didn't want to leave without $$ so integration was the solution. My thing is that option b) the blacks having their own state/land would've probably been the best option, but I guess the South was afraid of being invaded by them and the North was worried they'd be conquered by Mexico... We're talking a new nation of about 5-6m peeps - would've had more population than the Confederate South white population
Relbl freed slaves went to the African west coast and formed Liberia by modeling it after southern plantation slavery, Liberia has been a failed state for decades
+Relbl Google Afro American slave owners. Only 1% of whites even owned slaves but more than 25% of blacks owned slaves
***** No dummy, that's the truth. nobody owes you bitches anything
+NOLAN RYAN we love you anyway. Somebody got to hate right? We will never neglect you
Chris Walker hate? you hate the truth so that means you're a hater. I guess truth sucks
One damn excuse after another. If you are not willing to put the effort in to do better for youself then that is your own fault.
I got a Game! every time he says "ya know..." take a drink. gonna get fucked up tonight!
the entire debate community remembers this
With names like Washington Jefferson Jackson and Lee you are more likely to have slave owners in your family than I would be.
Jeffrey Fetzer Fetzer is up there with Adams and Franklin, YOU WILL PAY FETZER!
@@msomebody4720 Google Wm april Ellison it should ! inform.
tomasz fetzer was one of the biggest slave traders. Hope you get what you deserve
@@humongouschris5101 Sounds very racist your making me responsible for something I had nothing to do with
@@jeffreyfetzer8748 things were done in your name in the past, that you still benefit off of...facts...ive never heard of or seen an incident white person yet abdicate his privilege yet.....we dont see none of the fruits of 350 years of plunder off the backs of blacks being represented in any way for helping blacks..but we still see the money aggregating for whites.....
This comment section is so idiotic. If you just watch 3 minutes in to the video you will literally see Ta-Nehisi say how this isn't just about slavery. Vox is to blame in part as well, with the title they gave it.
This matter of slavery and reparations will be a contentious topic until the Lord returns. My take on it is very simple. Let us agree to disagree that slavery was an abomination and a cruel punishment to the enslaved group and if the decision is to pay reparations, the families of the slave masters who benefited from these ill-gotten gains should be made to forfeit more than half of their estates, financial and otherwise, in order to establish programs of education, housing etc to black communities. And it shouldn't be difficult to locate them because the archives would have the family tree of these slave owners.
Some will wish to argue that the statute of limitations would have long expired but the way I see it is: there should be no statute of limitations where the delivery of justice is concerned especially when the culprits can be clearly identified. If you wish to argue that the beneficiaries of these former slave owners are not the actual people who did the enslavement, the fact of the matter is: they have benefited from proceeds that were illegally obtained and therefore should be made to forfeit an amount commensurate with the slaves their ancestors would have owned and the wealth they would have achieved over the years.
And finally, if you wish to argue about returning black folks to Africa, then the Europeans should do likewise and head back to Ireland, England, Poland and all the other European countries they came from given the fact that they have no legal claim to the land on which they reside either. Any white American with a conscience should be the last person to talk about sending persons back to their country of origin because the only true owners of the land are the Indian tribes who according to history would be the original owners.
The reality is that America continues to thrive on slavery; slavery in the prison system and all the low-paying jobs designed to enrich the already wealthy, and any chance of any of this happening is particularly remote.
It would seem that the use of trillions of tax dollars, including my own to provide affordable healthcare, subsidized education, housing assistance and preferential job placement for blacks and other economically disadvantaged groups, there have been reparation payments underway for more than a century and a half. Today, free or low cost opportunities for minorities far exceed what is available to majority groups, so those advantages must be considered part of a massive reparations package that has already been delivered.
Lovely interview. Building on answers and questioning further.. Looks so organic. Very Impressed.
+Raghuraman Rangarajan Keep looking for racism, Coates. I promise, you'll find it, everywhere.
This guy is a racist pig who is profiting off the division of the United States, by exploiting black people and exploiting existing racial tensions. His father was a black panther and he is spewing the same hatred across the land from his liberal safe haven.
Reparations is about money not slavery or justice.
See the cancer comments below.
The practicality of paying reparations doesn't really make sense. The US government is funded by taxpayers: these taxpayers might be black, Asian, native American, Hispanic, or they might have moved to the USA in the last 100 years. There are also lots of mixed-raced Americans, and black people that came over after slavery ended.
Many of the white American taxpayers with history dating back to slavery-days may also have not benefited from slavery today any more than a black person has. It's not exactly fair to take money from an impoverished white person to give a black dentist a payout because his ancestors suffered.
+TurkeyProphet Asians laid down the Americans rail system. They were lowered into dangerous places to plant explosives. Thousands died in terrible conditions. Do I ask for reparations from Central Pacific Rail or its modern predecesor, Union Pacific? Nah. That stuff is in the past. Same with this.
Say I work hard and make a fortune and earn enough money that my kids and my kids's kids and so on will never have to work a day in their lives because of their inheritance. You'd say, nothing wrong with me passing my wealth on to my descendants because it's my money that I earned for my own work and I can pass it on to whoever I damn well please. Now say I was a slave who worked plenty hard but got nothing for it. How come my descendants don't get a share of the wealth I ought to have earned? Life's not fair, fine, but don't pretend like all debts are settled unless they really are.
Theres gonna be a reckoning and you still wont see the big picture
I will never vote for a candidate who wastes tax payer money in this manner
joseph s-then you should never have voted before ever, and probably should never vote again....public service and being for the people, doesnt bode well in the actual jobs where this is the criteria....
Sinna Nunga I’m guessing you want white Americans to pay reparations
HALLELUYA! THEN YOU WILL PROBABLY NOT VOTE FOR THE DEMONS.....I MEAN DEMOS
25:54 lol
The answer to his question really is: lol
I'm sorry, but I beg to differ. Are you kidding? Housing discrimination is but ONE facet of our historic, collective suffering. Reference the recent murders of African American (primarily male) citizens at the hands of police as yet another example of another facet of collective suffering. The debt is huuge!!! No, you can't patch up families that are no more, but you can certainly PAY THEIR PROGENY (where there are survivors to be found)! Also, the question as to what form reparations should ultimately take should be put to a vote. No one person or group of persons should be speaking for each and every African American citizen! In fact, discussions on this very subject need to be held throughout the country as things develop.
IMHO we should be talking about Federal reparations for the failures of Reconstruction rather than for the institution of slavery in its broadest sense. Who would pay reparations? The Federal Government. It's hard to blame the government for the institution of slavery (and the argument could be made that the country paid a heavy cost for ending it), but it is easy to place blame on it for the failure of Reconstruction to bring about social and political equality for a century. That said, a strong case could be made for reparations from _states_ that sanctioned slavery prior to the Civil War. Thoughts?
Oh boy, the comment section sure is SPICY!!!!
I would like to see a discussion between Ta-Nihisi Coates and Thomas Sowell....
I would like to see a discussion between actual African American taxpayers and African American welfare recipients.....just saying.
There are multiple programs already to help black people and communities escape poverty. You have to realize that their choices are a leading cause in their poverty.
Africans should pay Europeans for the cost of all the scientific and technological development they benefit from today. So let's call it quits.
I didn't realize how long this was but I don't wanna leave
YEAH ME TOO, I LIKE TO WATCH TRAIN WRECKS
Blacks sold blacks, Are Africans better off in the United States or back in Africa, MY Catholic Ancestors were Fed to the Lions ,If life is so much better there ,go there good luck
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I agree reperations are owed look up "Christopher Hitchens on slavery" its on yoi tube just type thay in he debates a black man on this topic.
Here is the real question that needs to be asked with this debate: Who would be responsible for paying for it? The easy answer may be "all descendants of slave owners", but so many variables must be considered... how to trace such things, what to do in the cases of kind slave owners, those who purchased slaves to deliver them into freedom, ect... and what about such descendants that are below the poverty?
And then, who would receive the money? How much slave blood qualifies a descendant as eligible? What of mixed and adopted descendants? Slaves were often poorly recorded... this video seems to suppose we just reimburse every person who may have been affected.
And if not slave descendants, who would pay? Tax payers, including those eligible to receive money?
It is an ideal prospect, but has come many decades too late for real-world effects..
I entirely disagree with you that Democrats would theoretically be responsible for paying, but if anything such a response just proves that it would never work out. Just saying some people need reparations is almost impossibly vague and unrealistic.
so your mother murders someone and you go to jail for the murder sounds reasonable
The "mother" in your example would be the US gov which sponosred and fostered the other guilty parties.
@@officialtruthprevails 100% correct
Name Again except that you lot should’ve applied for reparations then and not 120 years after it happened. It’s like Greece asking Germany for reparations for WW2 like 70 years after it happened, you had your chance and you blew it.
@Jason Davis Stop, you're going to make him fume! HAHAHHA
@Jason Davis 75% of black students in California can't even pass standardized reading tests. Sad that the state I live in, the democratic party's spearhead isn't even taking care of their own problems, or at least no one cares because money isn't involved. Personally, reparations are another burden to be placed on the american people, and I wouldn't even begin to understand how they'll implement such taxes because I know my white ancestors we're not here during the time of slavery.
why do people hate this so much? if my ancestors built the country and the systems you benefit from today, why would you hate the government paying their decedents? I mean other people get reparations, but for some reason its highly offensive to get more than an apology for all the free labor. its not about holding on to the past or hating anyone, but people want to trivialize it and how they got a head start from the free labor and double standards of this nation.
They built farms by the time we were actually building anything we use today slavery was already outlawed
no sir, slavery wasn't over immediately when it was outlawed, some freed slaves had to buy their own family members from people who opposed the law, and most institutions that created the infrastructure and fabric of america had their hand in slavery, even banks helped fund these operations, some companies provided the ships and materials. this wasn't just a southern thing either. lets not forget jim crow, which again, wasn't just a southern thing. just one generation back, I can go to my father experiencing extreme racism. to pretend this was some thing that happened long ago in a galaxy far away is ignorant. there's no reason to oppose reparations.
+ROD VONN (RDRKVN) so exactly when should Britain give the Irish reparations for over 500 years of oppression
+ROD VONN (RDRKVN) you are just lazy and want free money by playing a professional victim
I'm lazy, because my ancestors did free work? racist logic is awesome!
Again there is not one human being on this planet who does not have slavery in their past black people were not America's first slaves and Africa sold there own people into slavery so is every one in the world entitled to reperations or do we have a selective slavery thing going on
Crimes of a father don't transfer to their childeren, especially counsidering the people that were victimized are also dead...
Does anyone have a good guess at what amount would be approriate if there were reparations were given to specific individuals? I am looking for a bottom line number to finalize this question. Thank you.
better question. does anyone know how much money that can be made when you don't have to pay your employees? the foundation of America.
+Ramadhan Abdul-Latif Lots of money to your point can be made when labor costs are low. I would say what might be a good comment is that we addressed this issue in this country and have advanced while in other regions of the world (Middle East, Africa and elsewhere) where slavery still exists. I feel much better saying we are moving in the right direction versus saying we are stuck in the 1640 to middle 1800's. Still room to improve but that would appy for every country, every man and woman as well. Now take a swag at my question. Does anyone have a good guess at what amount would be approriate if there were reparations were given to specific individuals?
No, every country doesn't destabilize other countries by send people to create civil unrest and overthrow the very "savage" individuals that placed in their position in the first place. Meawhile, claiming to be captain justice for the world. Very few countries get away with mass atrocities both foreign and domestic, while claiming to be the Mr. Clean of the universe. The "bad guys" are usually sniffed out and labelled "bad guys." low cost Labour is what non English speaking Mexicans get today. Free Labour is how the Africans built America big different. Give examples, times, and dates showing how America how repayed the Africans and their descendants that built America. Around 53 billion from Germany was given to the Jews for their holocaust that lasted less than 20 years plus another 12 million from Barack Hussein in 2013. That's a start.
+Ramadhan Abdul-Latif Keeping on topic to only the initial question about slavery I still say the United States has made great strides. We have put in place many social programs to try to address the disparity between those that have and those that have not. This goes beyond a specific race as you know but still trillions have been spent to address poverty, education and more. Lots of these programs do not even really do well and while the intent is go the results are bad.
Not sure where you live but this awful practice call slavery still goes on in this world and I assume you have an idea of the groups that played a role in the slave trade that existed on both sides of the Atlantic. Both blacks, arabs and whites took advantage of this opportunity and only a small handlful reaped the benefits of the slave trade.
On your other far reaching topic of policing the world. I agree we should stay out no matter what and stop spending money and time on the other regions. Tough world though but I dont pretend to think the U.S. has done a great job across the board. Take care.
Okay so, no time no dates no examples. So I guess you agree that 53 billion is a start?
Simple answer: No. There are No slaves or slave owners are even still alive, and there children and grand children should not have reparations because they didn't go through what there parents/grandparents went through.
Would love a FAT check... My ancestors worked for HUNDREDS of years for FREE.
I found my great-grandfather's/SLAVE MASTER diary/business books. I am facing discrimination at work,
am light skin and half asian. Imagine what Black men or dark skin people have to go through...
this was a recient Public forum topic for debate. Its hard AF trying to defend this. I honestly had to sit there and work out a case in which I said African Americans should get paid for slavery. estimated would cost 15 trillion and when you ask who pays for it. it would come down to $50,000 from each man women and child in this country. I'm an African american and I just think this is compltly unfesable
+OverLordthe 1st Who cares what you think...I'm like that made up Jesus, "If you'e not for us you're against us"...America can get trillions for other bullshit so they can get money for this...I don't give a fuck where they get the money from, just pay me
what lession is this gonna teach, what problem is this gonna solve. "here is 50,000 sorry for slavery". YES there are problems to this day from the backlash of slavery and jim crow. But money isn't the end all solution. You wanna fix that just help young african americans start on a fair and even level as all other races. You do this trough education not straight up giving money to the entire african race. In fact not every african american is a descendant of slave ancestors. There's no clear system to make sure who deserves the money and who has to pay
Clear system: all black Americans who were born in America. When you're born here it usually says what your race is on your birth certificate, if not then there are PLENTY of ways to know if someone is black here in America...I've check Black on several things for several years, so America knows good and well who's a black American and who's not
but your ignoring my biggest point, whats the money gonna help with. and okay lets say we do knows which black person deserves the money. who has to pay for it. not all white people where involved with slavery or have ancestors who owned slaves.
OverLordthe 1st The Federal Reserve Bank is where they can get the money from...they can go get money for everything else i.e. wars and hedge funds...don't allow America to continue to get over on you...it's like taking up for an abusive parent or like some one is withholding your inheritance
The climate change debate is such a great analogy. How can we have a conversation, if half the people don't even believe a problem exists ?
***** Could it be that the 1/2 that believes the problem ( that slavery is responsible for the problem of blacks today ) doesn't exist be the 1/2 that are on the right side of the argument ?
Jimmy Mags It's pretty clear just by reading history there have been generational effects of slavery, sharecropping system, segregation, as well as mass incarceration today. These state sanctioned mandates have caused serious damage in every way imaginable.
James Jackson Well that's a fantastic presentation there, really impressive. So what is it that you are trying to say?
Didn't you say the legal system is racist
The truth makes me feel better. There's been 3x the amount of whites killed by cops in the last 12 years . Why would cops be policing more aggressively in black areas? Are all police precincts racist ?
No. Problem solved.
There were so many horrific events throughout history. Do the Germans give reperations to the Polish? Do the Irish get reperations from England? Do European Christians get reperations from the Barbary Muslims? Each one has altered the future...
If one's argument is that hereditary responsibility exists regardless of the time that passes; then I assume no amount of time matters?
Why does No one ever mention the Turkish empire did to eastern Europeans and other Arabs and Armenians,what the Mongols did to eastern Europeans, what the Japanese did to the Chinese, what Native Americans did to other Native Americans(genocide of TONS of tribes), and other European settlers, what Europeans did to other Europeans, what Arabs did to Jews, what Arabs did to Africans, what African tribes have done to other African tribes...