We live in Orange County I swear that day was very gloomy. No sun at all. I can’t even see our neighbors house due to thick fog. Why oh why they decided to fly that day is crazy!
The Sheriff chopper was grounded due to low vis. All non emergency helicopters should have been too. I don't live there but if be curious how often those hills fog up like that. If it's a normal thing then if plan on fog on the days I need to fly and just plan accordingly.
It sounds like the pilot was trying to bypass the cloud cover and get clear, and did not anticipate how close the terrain was....This is extremely devastating for all the victims and families!
L. J. I thought that too; perhaps the pilot had spatial disorientation due to the fog and circling? ... possible that he just ran into the mountain? Is it possible that the helicopter could have run out of gas? (I don’t know much about helis.....).... sigh.
The fog remained at the same base level outside the Calabasas area but as they flew into that area the terrain altitude increased which meant the helicopter was slowly sandwiched between the terrain and fog base as the pilot wanted to fly VFR and have orientation with the ground. There was a lot of other air traffic at the time, he seemed to have issues communicating with ATC and may not have been receiving information fast enough from them to provide the SVFR instructions he needed. The fog became so low it became unsafer so the pilot then made a decision to climb into the fog which caused greater disorientation, or he may have heard the ATC call he was too low for SVFR and climbed but being too high and without ATC clearance, he then risked flying up to an altitude where more aircraft were flying, creating a greater danger. After which, he decided it safer to try and fly back down to below fog level to re-orientate himself but by then the helicopter was flying into the canyon and had nowhere to go. By the time the helicopter reached base fog level again it was going too fast and too close to the canyon to take evasive action. The pilot had 20 years experience and instructor rated who always took safety first, I'm sure that was his priority during the flight. He was qualified to fly in the conditions using VFR but once spacial awareness is lost, comms to ATC for SVFR, and disorientation sets in, its a recipe for disaster in those conditions, regardlesss of experience.
It sounds as though none of the warnings or advice the ntsb gave to the FAA were headed about fitting all rotor vehicles with terrain tracking units. I agree that the pilot may have lost his cerebral orientation and thought he was higher than he actually was or panicked due to maybe a lack of skill reading instruments. In pilot training nowadays due to sophisticated aircraft computer systems and autopilot capabilities, “Instrument training” is glossed over in courses. A similar incident was apparent in the Air France crash where the pito probes were compromised and the autopilot was giving false readings and alarms were going off in the cockpit and the two co pilots operating the flight whilst the captain was sleeping, hadn’t the extensive Instrument training and didn’t know where they really were, they weren’t sure if they were ascending or descending as it would’ve felt one way but the computers and warning systems would’ve been saying something else, hence crashing a perfectly good aircraft killing 250 people.
I’m seeing a lot of comments asking about TAWS, why did it pitch down, why were they flying if LAPD wasn’t, and why photos of the heli show it being black and not the white/blue like the crash 1: TAWS just alerts you of terrain ahead which sure maybe would’ve helped them but not guaranteed safety as they were in inclement weather. They would also be going off a whole lot considering altitude. 2: The helicopter more than likely started to descent quick due to the pilot being disoriented due to fog. If you haven’t flown in IMC weather, this is very easy to have happen. You become very easily confused of the attitude of the aircraft since you have no horizon. As I pilot, we usually train to trust our instruments. However majority of helicopter flying is in VFR weather. Even though he’s rated for IFR flying, doesn’t mean he’s proficient nor flys in clouds all the time. 3: NTSB said it best why LAPD/CHP wasn’t flying, and that you can’t compare the two operations. “It’s like apples to oranges”. They have different minimums. This flight was legal from the looks of it. Should he have called it off? Everyone has their own opinion. 4: The helicopter that keeps being shown on the Internet is the same exact helicopter just a black wrap that was done for his final NBA game 4 years ago. If you google his helicopter N72EX, you can see it was back to being white with blue stripes a few years back. Also he never owned that exact helicopter. It was more than likely leased, through the carrier Island Express. Also, it did have a different Tail number prior to being owned by Island Express. Also side note: you can’t hover a helicopter in IMC. Any helicopter pilot will tell you that. IMC=clouds/fog. The S76B (Kobe’s Helicopter) has to remain flying at around 50kts. This is all based on facts. The TAWS COULD HAVE helped, but not for sure. The pilot seems like he wasn’t pressured by Kobe just based off of Kobe’s previous pilots statement on wether he was ever pressured. Now should he have flown from the get go? That’s up to NTSB to figure out. I have been flying fixed wing aircraft for a few years so this is just based on what I’ve found online and experience. I am by no means an expert, so if you haven’t go listen to the NTSBs statement from 2 days ago. RIP to Kobe and the other 8 victims 🙁
Proppa Music yes... your comment is the first of honesty regarding the recovery of crash bodies... yes, it is absolutely tragic,..absolutely horrific 😞if you ever read the “eye witness” account written and given on You tube (from the gentleman who was the first, civilian responder), of being the first on the scene of the small-engine plane crash that killed legendary country singer, Patsy Cline, the description is beyond horrific as to what happens to bodies at great impact... at high speed into a multi-elevation, rugged, highly vegetative terrain...and the devastation to and the physical forensic destruction of the body. He gives an intensely graphic account, of the shock and honesty of what he saw and how it looked being first upon the scene...but He was being completely honest in his descriptions, as difficult as it must have been been for him to have seen what he had seen, being so graphic, and then had to live with those visions the rest of his life😞What an horrific way to die and to know...that you are going to. My heart is so heavy for the Bryant family. He and his baby are now in the presence of The Almighty. God bless you.
@@misskj7773 It was likely they all died on impact or microseconds after impact and didnt feel any or much pain. Unfortunately, the fear was probably overwhelming.
It was significant that the coroner identified the body of Kobe by his fingerprints. It gives some insight into the state of the bodies after the crash and the subsequent intense fire. R.I.P. to all the nine souls.
John-Paul Nagel What good is praying after God allowed it to happen? That's like asking to have your hair combed after you've been decapitated with a guillotine, isn't it?
He didn’t forget the terrain below, he crashed directly into the mountain. The fog layer covered the terrain and because the helicoyper that Kobe owned didn’t have a terrain warning system, he had no idea he was flying right into a mountain. Air traffic control should of never gave special clearance known the risk of the weather that day
Lots of questions in comment section. Hope I can answer a few. Why not just hover if not sure where you are in clouds? Nearly impossible to hover a chopper in zero visibility especially when flying in visual mode. Pilot needs to be able to see ground & other things around it to control drift. Imagine if you were swimming in deep water & you became confused on what was going deeper or toward surface. If you can see the ocean floor then you know to swim up. The fog was blinding. Why didn't pilot just go up out of clouds? It sounds like he was trying that but a couple things were likely concerning pilot. Clouds can be miles hundreds of feet thick or miles. An aircraft doesn't have permission to just fly straight up with air traffic control permission because there might be another aircraft in area & concern of mid air collision. The pilot could have called ATC for emergency status to do that but was likely already in panic mode because of disorientation. Was there mechanical failure? Always a possibility but unlikely. These choppers are sophisticated & generally safe. The rapid decent could have been pilot attempt to get back to lower terrain out of cloud cover. He likely was so disoriented from not being able to see in blinding clouds that he did not see the mountain & flew into it. Did Kobe know he was about to die? Very unlikely. From info gathered so far, there may have been some nervousness on board if the pilot indicated to them he was going to need to make emergency landing vs continuing the flight. But more than likely, nobody on board knew what was about to happen. My guess is death was instant & painless. RIP all nine occupants
@Lonely Alien yes, it's possible. But it's important to remember this was a high velocity impact. It would have literally been a split second & lights out.
god no when the helicopter smashed into the ground nearly going 175mph, they would have been dead the second it hit, if there was a spin while falling they would have been pulling heavy Gs, which would have Knocked out any children onboard, adults can handle Some G forces, however they would be disoriented, the adrenaline in their bodies before the crash would have numbed any pain.
I think we do. No mechanical failure = pilot error. All the circumstances point to pilot error due to disorientation. Take the fog away and we wouldn't be talking about it today.
@trueman mann You missed the part of them being in a descending left bank which to me is indicative of an attempted evasive maneuver. They certainly did not nosedive according to the NTSB
Pablo Gonzalez descending left turn at a rate greater than 2000 feet per minute after he informed ATC he was climbing to avoid clouds. Sounds like a pilot who inadvertently entered the clouds, experienced spatial orientation, lost control and crashed the helicopter. They actually the attitude to be referred to as a dive.
What I'm thinking is he was crazy low because he was using the view of the streets to nagivate. He was trying to stay below the clouds but then when he asked for flight following he was TOO low for communications and tried to fly higher. When he started to ascend he realized how dense and unsafe the fog was and either A) tried to get below the fog as quickly as possible because he had no communications and wouldn't be able to see another aircraft coming. Also possibly causing disorientation and unease or B) in his rapid ascend into the extremely dense fog the sudden change caused the helicopter to stall out. Either way the best option probably would have to been that once the pilot saw how thick the fog had gotten, to request a landing at the nearest possible location and just explained that it was no longer safe to travel by air. They weren't too far from thousand oaks from where the helicopter went down. Even if they were late, it's better to be safe than sorry.
So the NTSB made a recommendation twice to the FAA and nothing was done. Whoever was in charge of the FAA during those times should be held accountable. Negligence is a key factor here
Although the FAA refused the NTSB's recommendations to make the TAWS, Cockpit Voice Recorder, or the Flight Data recorder mandatory for this and similar rotorcraft, there is nothing preventing the aircraft owner of having this equipment installed on their own.
Also, if the helicopter had been equipped with the CVR & FDR, this would not have prevented the crash or made the helicopter safer, but could have improved the crash investigation.
@@buckk007 They weren't even certified to fly in those conditions. The pilot should never have taken off in the first place. End of story. Put a fork in Island Express, they're done.
@@lpr5269 You are correct, the charter company was not certified to fly in IFR conditions. There charter license was for VFR operations only. However, the helicopter took off in VFR conditions in Orange County. Clearly the pilot should not have continued into IMC. There were multiple airports where the pilot could have landed to wait out the weather. Of course, that's always easier suggested than done.
I agree. No basketball game is worth trying to fly in adverse conditions. When the passengers saw that the helicopter was circling to get a flight plan, they should have said to return to base. Either drive, or forfeit a game. It's only a game.
Yeah hate to say it but Kobe’s competitive drive seemed to be his downfall taking a chance like that. Life is more important than anything that isn’t meaningful including a game
It's none of the above.. that pilot fly that choppa all the time that's Kobe pilot.. problem is, they got too comfortable.. no inspections of the helicopter nothing.. they hop in like it's a regular motor vehicle
My heart goes out to all the families in this horrific accident may the soul rest in peace to Kobe i didn't no. Him personally but we came up together in Philadelphia and it feels like i lost a best friend R.I.P
@@missym877 we played in the sonny hill. Basket ball league in philly also i played in a state tournament in is high school gym in lower Merion high school
Right before the crash, the helicopter descended 350 feet, banked hard left, ACCELERATED and slammed into the hillside at 176 MPH. A "high energy impact" So if there is low visibility why would any pilot, who did not have a death wish, do that maneuvering? I ask you. Do the math.
@David Daniel All that experience and he has had an incident in the past.Who knows if that has anything to do with January 26th but it definitely makes you think
To think, these people get paid to provide safety recommendations and the FAA literally ignores these recommendations. Lives are lost because of this. If that helicopter had a terrain warning system. 9 people would still be alive.
That´s premature. As the NTSB said. They cannot say for sure that the TAWS system would have prevented the crash. HAving the FDR and VCR on board would make the investigation easier, but this accident could still have happened.
However my information is based on a Wiki article on the Sikorsky S-76 via Avionics that they were equipped with a Honeywell Ground Proximity Warning System. Is NTSB splitting hairs here?
basically the lady told us, that this helicopter wasnt foolproof in my very own opinion there was one second pilot missed something or evaluated wrongly something not because of lack of expertise but because he was a human.. helicopters are not a new invention so lack of safety system shouldnt mean error because when helicopter made that system might wasnt even exist
The only thing that makes sense for me is that when he flew into the fog he rapidly got disoriented and was trying to get out of the fog blindly. First went up, still in the fog I guess, then tried to speed to get out that way not knowing he was flying straight into the hill. He gained visibility in the last seconds and it was already to late. Or he never gained visibility at all.
That would make sense for this avoidable accident. Even that I'm no expert, but choppers flying in a fog is a no-no, and care the less if I'm wrong. May the occupants rest in peace in this unforeseen accident.
They the 9 people on board did not even have time to react to this high energy impact at that rate of descent. People please stop the rumors that their bodies were intact and found hugging each other. Thats totaly impossible at 180mph or more and at a steep descent! They did not see it coming or felt anything for it happen so fast! RIP to all onboard.😞🙏
Something like this happened when blues guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughan's helicopter crashed into a hill in thick fog. Everyone on board, including Stevie, died.
The helicopter did not have terrain warning system. The pilot could not see anything was flying blind without warning system warning him how close he was to the ground, which is disastrous
@@user-su1xk3mv2b it does matter, means something went wrong with the chopper or pilot dove into the hill. Which means they covering up a malfunction or pilot error paid, or murder/suicide, which they have so much ruled out all 3 of those aspects
I would like to know why the pilot took this risk when he had very poor visibility and to be fair he obviously had NO VISIBILTY to end up the way they did and why was this flight permitted to fly in the first place in such poor weather conditions !!
Not only why did the pilot take the risk in such weather conditions, but why did the rest of the adults in the party allow themselves and children to be flown in such conditions? This is not solely the pilots faught, the other adults should have used better judgment.
Sometimes telling the CLIENT NO is hard, especially during a business transaction! Apparently it was suppose to be a 30/45 minute flight! When they were circling the pilot should’ve told KOBE this isn’t right we should land or go back. I’m sure they’ll release the Text messages or something, probably find out more later. RIP to those ALL on board!
She is very courageous to call out the FAA like that. Doing her job very well. In the end many will blame the pilot, but had the FAA simply implemented what was recommended based on previous crashes (and previous deaths) then Kobe, Gigi, John, Keri, Alyssa, Christina, Ara, Sara and Payton would most probably still be alive
@Gubba Bump Yes he did, we were going to Fullerton from Chandler Fresno on the 24th and had to skud run. Never lost sight of the ground. Turned away from clouds 2 times. Finally found a hole. NEVER IMC.
@Gubba Bump so the NTSB recommendations are not to be considered? You must be very smart to know more about safety in helicopters than the entire NTSB 👍👍👍 congrats
At that speed, seems like he thought he was climbing when he was actually descending, and if he saw the hillside at all I'm sure it was only right before the moment of impact, nothing could be done
imserious2187 Bruh he should have felt the feeling of being weightless a bit because of going down. You got disorientated but you could feel if you’re going down or up. Basic physics btw.
@@iosandroiduser4104 Actually, no, you don't. It's surprising, I know. But heli pilots say you can be going down and believe you're going up. You can even be flying upside down and not realize it. It's that disorienting.
The fast descend maybe was due to the weight in that helicopter, maneuvering with 9 people on board, the pilot was on almost a blind mode for minutes that seemed like hours without a terrain awareness and warning system over mountains and hills, a recipe for a disaster.
The chopper weighed 19,000 pounds minus fuel and passengers. Anything weighing that amount is going to have a hard impact crash regardless of any speed involved!
Rapid loss of altitude and speed at impact suggests terminal velocity. The pilot had no visual reference and was unaware he was heading nearly straight down.
Kobe and Gigi’s received Christ through communion. Never easy to accept, but they are now with Christ in heaven. Kobe, GiGi and all those onboard may your Souls Rest In Peace with our Heavenly Father 🙏🏽
A left descending bank at high speed can exactly simulate the feel of a climb. Pilot error. Disorientation. The occupants never knew what happened. Lights out instantly. The only saving grace. Both of my parents died in a severe and sudden impact followed by fire. I’ve researched this: fractured skull; fractured cervical spine; ruptured aorta; ruptured liver and ruptured heart. All of the above result in instantaneous loss of consciousness. My heart goes out to all involved. My parents were very young. This level of grief is life altering for all involved. My sincerest condolences.
I'm just praying they didn't feel a thing and they weren't afraid. If there was any it didn't last long. They just closed their eyes and said their prayers and woke up on the other side. I can't bear to think of it any other way. It hurts too badly. This world already has too much tragedy.😭
@@raphaeljaggerd3585 The human error was made by the fool who gave them the okay to fly in the fog. The police choppers were grounded that morning for a reason.
@@marcillioficino4663 what's the use of issuing a special clearance if the personnel couldnt give one? Bottom line was that the pilot underestimated these treacherous fogs.
Bobby Swain You obviously do not understand aviation. Stuff like this happens all the time, it’s routine. It just happened that in those specific circumstances inside and out of the aircraft that this happened. Don’t just assume when you know little to nothing about the industry.
Many helicopter flights were decided to wait on the ground until the weather conditions turned for better. Though the pilot was experienced, he got complacent. It is his fault at the end. He should have landed at Van Nuys airport and requested for a car to transport the passengers to thousands oaks. All of them would still be alive !!!
@Brandon Ohara Mr potato head, this was a commercial helicopter company running a business. In the US, 3200 people are killed every day in car crashes so traveling by car is not without risk.
@Brandon Ohara I guess the point went over your head. There are no risk-free modes of transportation. The police have their own rules and all of aviation does not follow arbitrary rules that the police dept use for their aviation dept.
Sad. One guy on another video said the cloud system in that area was a specific microclimate with clouds beyond thick and no visibility. They wandered into the belly of mother nature and could not see straight. Sad and humbling.
At some point they were aware of what was happening...this is devastating...I'm sick over this my heart is hurting i somewhat know what these families are going to go through..I lost my first husband and a child...I haven't been the same since...God help this family 🙏🏾
They were aware the pilot was working through things im sure but im nearly certain they didnt think they would crash. At the time worse case they thought pilot can't see so hes going to circle, rise, or somehow clear from fog. The helicopter didnt have a warning system so there werent a bunch of sounds and warnings going off inside to terrify them. They were gone before they realized what was happening. Instanty. 185 mph in straight into the side of a hill... they felt no pain.
Seems more likely that he got disoriented and couldn’t get a grip in time, although ur opinion is also likely he could have gotten a heart attack or something sudden that would have made him lose all control within seconds, I mean at 184 mph something def happened to that pilot
I think a fast dissent would indicate he was very alert in order to render a quick opinion. Oh wait, I think you meant a fast descent. Nevermind. lmao.
@BKP THERMAL wrong, it says the helicopter is on one piece before it impacted the terrain, it never said it exploded but at 2000 ft per minute I'm pretty sure it does based on the debris and metals being scattered all around the hill.
We must recognize all 9 passengers who were killed on board not just Kobe and his daughter. My apartment number is 9. Rest in Paradise the 9 lives that were taken. 🌸💜🙏
But no one talks about the tower controller who approved that aircraft to transit through at low altitude. Every air traffic controller I know, knows their airspace inside and out. Twice the pilot stated transiting at 1,400feet which was "low altitude" to fly near that region where it crashed. But no... let's focus on the weather. It's funny how 'they' added: "the pilot told air traffic controller in his last radio transmission that he was climbing to avoid cloud layer"... I sure didn't hear that on the tape.
The traffic controller advised him that he was too low! He rose to 2400 feet and then did the sharp bank to the left and rapidly began the fatal descent!
As i was listening the audio they've released the pilot is communicating like they are out of vision. It seems 0 chance of visibility maybe it's a foggy atmosphere. Due to the high current energy the pilot couldn't handle it. He's trying all his best to save everybody but tragic tragedy happens😓🙏😱
T BZ doesn’t sound like it, they could have panicked at some point but it does sound like they perished upon impact so most likely it was quick. I pray that that was the case.
Rage Quit that’s actually a radar altimeter. A terrain warning system uses GPS positioning to determine hazardous terrain. Before the accident, he was approximately 1200 feet above the ground. The aircraft then entered a dive and obtained a descent rate of “greater than 2000 feet per minute descent rate.” Having a arcade altimeter or terrain awareness system would not have helped the pilot.
I've been wondering why they left in those conditions. My answer: TRUST. From what I've heard about the pilot and his experience, I personally believe it was as simple as Kobe trusting the pilot's experience and judgment. And, in turn, the passengers trusting Kobe and overall, feeling like they would be fine...that alternate routes could be taken, flight altitude adjustments made, etc. Honestly, many of us don't know the ends and outs of flying but we get aboard and trust that the pilot knows what he or she is doing (I personally pray to the one I Trust the most...God). I feel bad for all but esp the kids...they trusted the adults and we dont even know if kids were sitting near parents. (I doubt seat changing was happening.) Finally, to be awake, aware and conscious of the moments and not being able to see clearly due to fog or being in back not near windows and feeling the copter going down, must have been utterly terrifying. 😢
Kira 123 I agree. We have a tendency to trust that the person behind the wheel, stick, yoke, or whatever is well trained and knows what they are doing. Everyone trusted the 20 year old kid who flew Buddy Holly into the ground. (The turn and bank indicator in that Bonanza was an older style he wasn’t familiar with. It was more like the old Soviet indicators that read opposite from the more modern ones). He thought it was telling him they were in an ascending turn when they were actually in a decending opposite turn. When Keith Green excitedly piled his kids and another large family into his plane (grossly overloading it) for a quick aerial tour he trusted the pilot to know how much weight the plane could handle. The pilot wasn’t even rated for that aircraft. When John Kennedy’s wife and sister in law spent way too much time shopping and were very late to the airport, it was up to him to make a wise decision and not take off so late. Sadly, the girls trusted that he knew what was best. If he had just followed the shore line they would probably have been ok but he decided to cut across the water and, in the haze, lost his visual perception of sky and water.
commercial jets have better safety equipment and have very strict rules, collision avoidance system, terrain graphics, terrain avoided system, auto pilot can literally auto fly and LAND. WAy safer. Helicopters are far more dangerous.
I’m just gonna stop watching news. It’s starting to look more and more like a suicide plot from the pilot. All these people speaking behalf of his experience and how good he is just leads me to think something is fishy. 🤦🏾♂️
if Kobe Bryant was known of traveling in his chopper for so many times.he was an inteligent human being,he must felt something wasn't right..but we will never know that.we will never know what they felt in last seconds.people just continue to analyze.feel so sorry for his wife and her 3 girls.the most hurtful is to loose love of your life and the child!! r.i.p.
He had to sense something was wrong. SoCal was at fault. He specified his altitude at Van Nuy 1500 ft. They should have informed them at that time he needed to increase his altitude. The helicopter was 30 years old. So this could have been a factor.
ArkWhale. You have no idea what you are talking about. It is up to the pilot to make the decision to start a flight, maintain separation in VFR conditions or declare an emergency, if needed. It appears he suffered spatial disorientation while in the clouds and made a very costly mistake that took the lives of 9 people.
*I DON'T think the pilot got disoriented* 🙏 ,because the flight path is rather consistent and the "erratic" part is only at the very very end. I think that he was paying close enough attention to the Artificial Horizon Indicator to keep flying true, but when he spotted the moutain he was about to hit, he probably pulled on the Collective and stalled the Rotor blades, and lost altitude. I am surprised that Heli wasn't fitted with terrain warning system. No black box either, so we don't know the exact orientation of the heli during the impact.
Where was this pilot common sense at? If the helicopter didn’t have all the proper equipment, at least have eyes. Was it foggy that day? The fog and rain can be very dangerous
First off, very poor conditions means no flying. PERIOD. Second, while climbing then making that left turn, why was the pilot at a high rate of speed? I mean, I’m no aviation technician or a genius but 160+ knots?!?! In those conditions and near zero visiblity? It’s like running full speed in the house in the dark trying to dodge walls. Hard to believe with the pilots experience and knowledge they would fly straight into a hillside. Almost intentionally.......🤦🏽♂️
if your a multimillionaire wouldn't you want the best flight to make sure your safe withe the best pilot and check the conditions and the route first but r i p kobi and his little angel love you both
*Imagine in a helicopter and just seeing you in the choppa just dropping downward at super speed.. the ground getting closer by the second.. THAT SHYT SCARY ASF*
I would assume the pilot definitely lost control of the helicopter and entered a dive as the crash site is at 1600ft above sea level and the control tower lost communication when the helicopter was at 2300ft above sea level. This high energy impact intensity, descending at 2000ft per min. seems like engine failure. Also, I visited the crash area and the trajectory the helicopter was taking does not show any hills or mountains that it could’ve accidentally ran into at 2300ft above sea level. FYI it flew from Burbank airport westbound unto interstate 118, then crossed the valley to follow interstate 101. It was flying westbound on interstate 101 on the right side when they asked the control tower for “follow support” in which the control tower relayed they needed to elevate to higher because of weak signals. The helicopter then crossed over to the left side of interstate 101 and approximately 10 mins prior to the crash was the last time the control tower heard from the pilot.
Roughly 21 seconds from 2300ft to impact, using your numbers. Wonder if the pilot even tried to send out distress or was not able to. Sad, too long for the passengers.
Dont think so it was going we 185 mph, I think he fly over 1 mountain then was trying to go under the clouds to get visual, but the fog was right under the cloud and he kept descending while accelerating at the same time and slammed in to the terrain
the head of the pilot is have problem he is also a mentor also he know ls what he is doing and how to flight ,fyi he is more than a decade pilot but this is happened what do u think comes her mind to do that.
This chopper has instruments for orientation. Everyone seems to point to the clouds and foggy conditions plus pilot error, but it looks like there was a mechanical failure from the sudden left turn and loss of altitude and the cratered impact with 100 foot debris field. Usually loss of orientation is subtle and not so radical.. if this was a mechanical problem it is even more tragic for this skilled pilot. 😔
I was up and out at 6:30am that morning for my sons soccer tournament which was a 45 min drive here in Riverside county and even driving conditions were horrible can’t imagine the sight in the sky. Very sad this happened.
What i dont understand is based of how the damage looks,how in the hell were the able to i.d 9 bodies? And get the remains? How were there any remains left to find?
I keep thinking of the Titanic 😞 the pilot had all those years of experience, working against him it seems, and he still couldn’t save himself and the others.
im curious as to how the helicopter was in one piece on impact? yet photos show the debris scattered EVERYWHERE (i think up to 500 feet one article said).
So your claim is the copter fell apart in flight? before impacting the ground? are you claiming there was a "shooter" on the grassy knoll? or maybe "multiple shooters"? who shot this craft to pieces before crashing do you suppose? So based on what you say this woman here is simply lying about what happened? because she is a Russian Agent? or hated Kobe? Excellent analysis you should contact Alex Jones with your conclusions..
she referring to it was intact when it hit noting no mechanical problems before it hit the ground. the copter was in perfect working condition prior to crash
I just don’t understand this. It’s a helicopter. If it is so foggy, why didn’t the pilot just hover and not fly? It was high impact meaning that was flying at high speed not be able to see anything. That’s to me was the scariest decision that led to their death.
Pilots on Reddit stated that it is very difficult near impossible to just hover in a helicopter when you have zero visibility all around. You have no visual reference outside to determine whether you are stationary and just hovering without moving forward, veering left or right etc I’m paraphrasing but they said the pilot once he realised he had ascended into fog and then had no visibility was most likely then trying to get lower than the fog to regain visibility and that’s when the impact occurred
Balu Rajguru i hasn’t considered this. What an absolutely terrifying situation this pilot must have found himself in. All things seem to be point to what you are saying.
I think maybe the NTSB need to start making it a requirement and not just recommendation, clearly recipients are not paying much attention to these warnings.
OMG!! I can't imagine what his family is going through. This is a nightmare. Falling 200 feet per minute? It hurts my heart that these people knew they were going to die. Oh God!! 😥🙏🏽 It doesn't sound like the helicopter was regulated to fly & the pilot made poor judgement. God bless their souls. Those poor people & babies. 😥😥😥
Surprised to see all these theories about mechanical malfunction and heart attack/stroke when in all likelihood rising terrain in falling visibility is the culprit. For those that don’t know, the pilot was following a VFR flight plan, which means he relied on physical landmarks to navigate and maintain his orientation. When visibility was lost, he suddenly had to rely on his instruments, which is a very difficult transition to make and unfortunately leads to a large number of helicopter accidents. The rate of descent suggests a possible death spiral, which would indicate that the pilot first tried to ascend to escape the cloud layer, was unable to do so and lost orientation, stalled and lost control.
@Aotorae the pilot had 20 years experience and when someone is experienced like that, they are usually way to comfortable and take risks they shouldn't.
M Win yeaah i feel like the pilot was overconfident and felt like he "had it" and got them killed.. and its kinda weird that it was reported that he accelerated... why would you speed up when you cant see? I wonder if the pilot had slowed down while trying to get over the hills would the accident have been less deadly or not even happened?
This hurts so bad , may their souls Rest In Peace.. may God comfort all the families that are mourning for the loss of their loved ones..
God did it. Repent
No god
AMEN...
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The first one
We live in Orange County I swear that day was very gloomy. No sun at all. I can’t even see our neighbors house due to thick fog. Why oh why they decided to fly that day is crazy!
The Sheriff chopper was grounded due to low vis. All non emergency helicopters should have been too.
I don't live there but if be curious how often those hills fog up like that. If it's a normal thing then if plan on fog on the days I need to fly and just plan accordingly.
Rest in heavenly peace to all who perished in this tragic accident, my heart felt condolences to their families!
Only born again believers go to heaven, we don’t know their faith standings.
It sounds like the pilot was trying to bypass the cloud cover and get clear, and did not anticipate how close the terrain was....This is extremely devastating for all the victims and families!
L. J. I thought that too; perhaps the pilot had spatial disorientation due to the fog and circling? ... possible that he just ran into the mountain?
Is it possible that the helicopter could have run out of gas? (I don’t know much about helis.....).... sigh.
It sounds like the pilot lost control while IMC (in the clouds) and entered a dive.
Heather Long they had fuel. That’s what caused the wreck to turn into a massive fireball.
The fog remained at the same base level outside the Calabasas area but as they flew into that area the terrain altitude increased which meant the helicopter was slowly sandwiched between the terrain and fog base as the pilot wanted to fly VFR and have orientation with the ground.
There was a lot of other air traffic at the time, he seemed to have issues communicating with ATC and may not have been receiving information fast enough from them to provide the SVFR instructions he needed.
The fog became so low it became unsafer so the pilot then made a decision to climb into the fog which caused greater disorientation, or he may have heard the ATC call he was too low for SVFR and climbed but being too high and without ATC clearance, he then risked flying up to an altitude where more aircraft were flying, creating a greater danger.
After which, he decided it safer to try and fly back down to below fog level to re-orientate himself but by then the helicopter was flying into the canyon and had nowhere to go. By the time the helicopter reached base fog level again it was going too fast and too close to the canyon to take evasive action.
The pilot had 20 years experience and instructor rated who always took safety first, I'm sure that was his priority during the flight. He was qualified to fly in the conditions using VFR but once spacial awareness is lost, comms to ATC for SVFR, and disorientation sets in, its a recipe for disaster in those conditions, regardlesss of experience.
@@hlowrylong There are phone videos of the craft under power and a recording of the impact (sound). He was in the soup when the video was taken.
Drones have sensors on them that tells you when you are too close to the ground. Every Manned aircraft should have them.
They said the helicopter was in a high speed dive, which would imply pilot lost control..but yea
@@ccho907 i dont think the pilot realized he was travel downwards.
Planes do have them.
It sounds as though none of the warnings or advice the ntsb gave to the FAA were headed about fitting all rotor vehicles with terrain tracking units. I agree that the pilot may have lost his cerebral orientation and thought he was higher than he actually was or panicked due to maybe a lack of skill reading instruments. In pilot training nowadays due to sophisticated aircraft computer systems and autopilot capabilities, “Instrument training” is glossed over in courses. A similar incident was apparent in the Air France crash where the pito probes were compromised and the autopilot was giving false readings and alarms were going off in the cockpit and the two co pilots operating the flight whilst the captain was sleeping, hadn’t the extensive Instrument training and didn’t know where they really were, they weren’t sure if they were ascending or descending as it would’ve felt one way but the computers and warning systems would’ve been saying something else, hence crashing a perfectly good aircraft killing 250 people.
they do have them...just too many controls to focus for just a single pilot
She basically said its the FAA's fault we have been telling them for about 10 years to mandate an upgrade to the helicopters.
Exactly they should be sued for continuing to endanger the lives of people flying choppers when certain devices could have saved their lives.
No black box? No terrain warning system? Isn't this 2020?
Prince Allen So true. This is serious negligence, FAA has blood on their hands. Meanwhile I will NEVER get into a chopper in fog in my lifetime.
You'd be surprised but not all air vehicles have them. Usually only commercial airlines do.
NO airbags either!
Prince Allen pretty sketchy
Helicopters aren't required to have a black box, the TAWS system should be and the NTSB recommended it, but the FAA said we don't care what you think.
I’m seeing a lot of comments asking about TAWS, why did it pitch down, why were they flying if LAPD wasn’t, and why photos of the heli show it being black and not the white/blue like the crash
1: TAWS just alerts you of terrain ahead which sure maybe would’ve helped them but not guaranteed safety as they were in inclement weather. They would also be going off a whole lot considering altitude.
2: The helicopter more than likely started to descent quick due to the pilot being disoriented due to fog. If you haven’t flown in IMC weather, this is very easy to have happen. You become very easily confused of the attitude of the aircraft since you have no horizon. As I pilot, we usually train to trust our instruments. However majority of helicopter flying is in VFR weather. Even though he’s rated for IFR flying, doesn’t mean he’s proficient nor flys in clouds all the time.
3: NTSB said it best why LAPD/CHP wasn’t flying, and that you can’t compare the two operations. “It’s like apples to oranges”. They have different minimums. This flight was legal from the looks of it. Should he have called it off? Everyone has their own opinion.
4: The helicopter that keeps being shown on the Internet is the same exact helicopter just a black wrap that was done for his final NBA game 4 years ago. If you google his helicopter N72EX, you can see it was back to being white with blue stripes a few years back. Also he never owned that exact helicopter. It was more than likely leased, through the carrier Island Express. Also, it did have a different Tail number prior to being owned by Island Express.
Also side note: you can’t hover a helicopter in IMC. Any helicopter pilot will tell you that. IMC=clouds/fog. The S76B (Kobe’s Helicopter) has to remain flying at around 50kts.
This is all based on facts. The TAWS COULD HAVE helped, but not for sure. The pilot seems like he wasn’t pressured by Kobe just based off of Kobe’s previous pilots statement on wether he was ever pressured. Now should he have flown from the get go? That’s up to NTSB to figure out. I have been flying fixed wing aircraft for a few years so this is just based on what I’ve found online and experience. I am by no means an expert, so if you haven’t go listen to the NTSBs statement from 2 days ago. RIP to Kobe and the other 8 victims 🙁
Thanks for taking the time to write this. I for one appreciate it. Non of this make sense. God rest all of the souls.
The Banks Films Wow. You know your stuff. Thank you for providing this information. Such a sad tragedy 😢
There should be "Kobe Law" now to have advisory on tv or radio about flying dangerously on foggy or less visible surroundings!!🤔
@s ofg Tru
@s ofg unfitting law tf u must have no soul
99% of the people who watch tv and listen to radio are not certified to fly helicopters. I'd leave it to the FAA.
POOR VISIBILITY PLAY THE BIGGEST ROLE HERE. NEEDED TO CANCEL FLIGHT.
Does seem to be the case at this point.
no it was the poor judgment of the pilot ,a pilot mistake
ELOTE- MEN -Totally Agree
Should not have been flying they doing all this talking when the answer is it was too foggy point blank.
Terrain awareness
Could of.. Would of.. Should of.. The fact still remains 9 people are gone.. Sad sad day in L.A
This just gets worse.
Super worse Smh that choppa exploded my guy body parts everywhere 😥😥
Proppa Music yes... your comment is the first of honesty regarding the recovery of crash bodies... yes, it is absolutely tragic,..absolutely horrific 😞if you ever read the “eye witness” account written and given on You tube (from the gentleman who was the first, civilian responder), of being the first on the scene of the small-engine plane crash that killed legendary country singer, Patsy Cline, the description is beyond horrific as to what happens to bodies at great impact... at high speed into a multi-elevation, rugged, highly vegetative terrain...and the devastation to and the physical forensic destruction of the body. He gives an intensely graphic account, of the shock and honesty of what he saw and how it looked being first upon the scene...but He was being completely honest in his descriptions, as difficult as it must have been been for him to have seen what he had seen, being so graphic, and then had to live with those visions the rest of his life😞What an horrific way to die and to know...that you are going to. My heart is so heavy for the Bryant family. He and his baby are now in the presence of The Almighty. God bless you.
mann exactly
@@misskj7773 It was likely they all died on impact or microseconds after impact and didnt feel any or much pain. Unfortunately, the fear was probably overwhelming.
It was significant that the coroner identified the body of Kobe by his fingerprints. It gives some insight into the state of the bodies after the crash and the subsequent intense fire. R.I.P. to all the nine souls.
Prayers for All Involved Families
John-Paul Nagel What good is praying after God allowed it to happen? That's like asking to have your hair combed after you've been decapitated with a guillotine, isn't it?
you noticed how calm the pilot, he knew what he was doing but when he descends, he forgot the terrain below.. how sad for all the victims,,, RIP.😥
He didn’t forget the terrain below, he crashed directly into the mountain. The fog layer covered the terrain and because the helicoyper that Kobe owned didn’t have a terrain warning system, he had no idea he was flying right into a mountain. Air traffic control should of never gave special clearance known the risk of the weather that day
Lots of questions in comment section. Hope I can answer a few.
Why not just hover if not sure where you are in clouds?
Nearly impossible to hover a chopper in zero visibility especially when flying in visual mode. Pilot needs to be able to see ground & other things around it to control drift. Imagine if you were swimming in deep water & you became confused on what was going deeper or toward surface. If you can see the ocean floor then you know to swim up. The fog was blinding.
Why didn't pilot just go up out of clouds?
It sounds like he was trying that but a couple things were likely concerning pilot. Clouds can be miles hundreds of feet thick or miles. An aircraft doesn't have permission to just fly straight up with air traffic control permission because there might be another aircraft in area & concern of mid air collision. The pilot could have called ATC for emergency status to do that but was likely already in panic mode because of disorientation.
Was there mechanical failure?
Always a possibility but unlikely. These choppers are sophisticated & generally safe. The rapid decent could have been pilot attempt to get back to lower terrain out of cloud cover. He likely was so disoriented from not being able to see in blinding clouds that he did not see the mountain & flew into it.
Did Kobe know he was about to die?
Very unlikely. From info gathered so far, there may have been some nervousness on board if the pilot indicated to them he was going to need to make emergency landing vs continuing the flight. But more than likely, nobody on board knew what was about to happen. My guess is death was instant & painless.
RIP all nine occupants
aj12271 good analysis.
Wouldn't they all be blinded by the fog as well?
@@joanlynch5271 yep
@Lonely Alien yes, it's possible. But it's important to remember this was a high velocity impact. It would have literally been a split second & lights out.
god no when the helicopter smashed into the ground nearly going 175mph, they would have been dead the second it hit, if there was a spin while falling they would have been pulling heavy Gs, which would have Knocked out any children onboard, adults can handle Some G forces, however they would be disoriented, the adrenaline in their bodies before the crash would have numbed any pain.
Basically nobody really knows what really happened... but we do know how bad this feels...
I think we do. No mechanical failure = pilot error. All the circumstances point to pilot error due to disorientation. Take the fog away and we wouldn't be talking about it today.
@trueman mann Absolutely nothing points to that if you understand aviation
@trueman mann You missed the part of them being in a descending left bank which to me is indicative of an attempted evasive maneuver. They certainly did not nosedive according to the NTSB
@trueman mann are you nuts?
Pablo Gonzalez descending left turn at a rate greater than 2000 feet per minute after he informed ATC he was climbing to avoid clouds. Sounds like a pilot who inadvertently entered the clouds, experienced spatial orientation, lost control and crashed the helicopter. They actually the attitude to be referred to as a dive.
What I'm thinking is he was crazy low because he was using the view of the streets to nagivate. He was trying to stay below the clouds but then when he asked for flight following he was TOO low for communications and tried to fly higher. When he started to ascend he realized how dense and unsafe the fog was and either A) tried to get below the fog as quickly as possible because he had no communications and wouldn't be able to see another aircraft coming. Also possibly causing disorientation and unease or B) in his rapid ascend into the extremely dense fog the sudden change caused the helicopter to stall out. Either way the best option probably would have to been that once the pilot saw how thick the fog had gotten, to request a landing at the nearest possible location and just explained that it was no longer safe to travel by air. They weren't too far from thousand oaks from where the helicopter went down. Even if they were late, it's better to be safe than sorry.
So the NTSB made a recommendation twice to the FAA and nothing was done. Whoever was in charge of the FAA during those times should be held accountable. Negligence is a key factor here
Although the FAA refused the NTSB's recommendations to make the TAWS, Cockpit Voice Recorder, or the Flight Data recorder mandatory for this and similar rotorcraft, there is nothing preventing the aircraft owner of having this equipment installed on their own.
Also, if the helicopter had been equipped with the CVR & FDR, this would not have prevented the crash or made the helicopter safer, but could have improved the crash investigation.
@@buckk007 They weren't even certified to fly in those conditions. The pilot should never have taken off in the first place. End of story. Put a fork in Island Express, they're done.
@@lpr5269 You are correct, the charter company was not certified to fly in IFR conditions. There charter license was for VFR operations only. However, the helicopter took off in VFR conditions in Orange County. Clearly the pilot should not have continued into IMC. There were multiple airports where the pilot could have landed to wait out the weather. Of course, that's always easier suggested than done.
Accident that could have been prevented😔
That's all accidents.
I agree. No basketball game is worth trying to fly in adverse conditions. When the passengers saw that the helicopter was circling to get a flight plan, they should have said to return to base. Either drive, or forfeit a game. It's only a game.
Yes they could have drive or waited for an hour. Lives matter.
@@SilverShadow2LWB you're Right brother I agree....
Yeah hate to say it but Kobe’s competitive drive seemed to be his downfall taking a chance like that. Life is more important than anything that isn’t meaningful including a game
No black box
No terrain warning system
A steep descent into the cloud knowing that there was no TWS, I wonder what the pilot was thinking!
Im convinced it was intentional
@@Jillian7777 you lot are delusional
Could have been out of his control. Fault perhaps.
Basically wasn't thinking at all
It's none of the above.. that pilot fly that choppa all the time that's Kobe pilot.. problem is, they got too comfortable.. no inspections of the helicopter nothing.. they hop in like it's a regular motor vehicle
My heart goes out to all the families in this horrific accident may the soul rest in peace to Kobe i didn't no. Him personally but we came up together in Philadelphia and it feels like i lost a best friend R.I.P
How did y’all come up together, if you didn’t know him personally?
@@missym877 we played in the sonny hill. Basket ball league in philly also i played in a state tournament in is high school gym in lower Merion high school
Right before the crash, the helicopter descended 350 feet, banked hard left, ACCELERATED and slammed into the hillside at 176 MPH. A "high energy impact" So if there is low visibility why would any pilot, who did not have a death wish, do that maneuvering? I ask you. Do the math.
Maybe he did have a death wish or he had a hard attack and became unconscious. Either one of those two. Oh..you can rule out mechanical failure.
Fake
From Kobe’s former pilot, Kobe had no history of forcing a flight in bad conditions. Clearly for me this is all Pilot’s fault for forcing the issue.
@David Daniel All that experience and he has had an incident in the past.Who knows if that has anything to do with January 26th but it definitely makes you think
To think, these people get paid to provide safety recommendations and the FAA literally ignores these recommendations. Lives are lost because of this. If that helicopter had a terrain warning system. 9 people would still be alive.
That´s premature. As the NTSB said. They cannot say for sure that the TAWS system would have prevented the crash. HAving the FDR and VCR on board would make the investigation easier, but this accident could still have happened.
However my information is based on a Wiki article on the Sikorsky S-76 via Avionics that they were equipped with a Honeywell Ground Proximity Warning System. Is NTSB splitting hairs here?
Some new helicopters have that system not the older models.
FAA does whatever companies tell them to do. See Boeing case
basically the lady told us, that this helicopter wasnt foolproof
in my very own opinion there was one second pilot missed something or evaluated wrongly something
not because of lack of expertise but because he was a human..
helicopters are not a new invention so lack of safety system shouldnt mean error
because when helicopter made that system might wasnt even exist
The only thing that makes sense for me is that when he flew into the fog he rapidly got disoriented and was trying to get out of the fog blindly. First went up, still in the fog I guess, then tried to speed to get out that way not knowing he was flying straight into the hill. He gained visibility in the last seconds and it was already to late. Or he never gained visibility at all.
That would make sense for this avoidable accident. Even that I'm no expert, but choppers flying in a fog is a no-no, and care the less if I'm wrong.
May the occupants rest in peace in this unforeseen accident.
They the 9 people on board did not even have time to react to this high energy impact at that rate of descent. People please stop the rumors that their bodies were intact and found hugging each other. Thats totaly impossible at 180mph or more and at a steep descent! They did not see it coming or felt anything for it happen so fast! RIP to all onboard.😞🙏
How did you get 180 mph they stated 2000ft a min that would come out to 23 mph
@@skipd9164 the 2000 ft/min was the descent rate.
Pheno Zeno, Intergalactic Federation of Grey's. They were hugging each other it has been factually claimed
Earl Helton source?
@@Chimera_V7 ya that means they were going 23 miles an hour . 2000 × 60 min = 120,000 in 1hr + 5270 ft per mile = 22,7 there speed was slow
Something like this happened when blues guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughan's helicopter crashed into a hill in thick fog. Everyone on board, including Stevie, died.
I remember that sad unfortunate day!😔
If anyone knows a pilot that flies helicopters, please ask them to explain this so it makes sense
The ones I talked to said avoid flying in heavy fog.
The helicopter did not have terrain warning system. The pilot could not see anything was flying blind without warning system warning him how close he was to the ground, which is disastrous
He was 20-30 ft from clearing the embankment, he misjudged, had no radar and couldn't see, plus he was going really fast 160knots
explicitDTP it didn’t matter if he was 30 or 20 feet from clearing... at that speed going down he was going to crash no matter what...
@@user-su1xk3mv2b it does matter, means something went wrong with the chopper or pilot dove into the hill. Which means they covering up a malfunction or pilot error paid, or murder/suicide, which they have so much ruled out all 3 of those aspects
My deepest condolences to your family and your fans all around the world.. Rest in peace
I would like to know why the pilot took this risk when he had very poor visibility and to be fair he obviously had NO VISIBILTY to end up the way they did and why was this flight permitted to fly in the first place in such poor weather conditions !!
my point exactly its not making any sense
Not only why did the pilot take the risk in such weather conditions, but why did the rest of the adults in the party allow themselves and children to be flown in such conditions? This is not solely the pilots faught, the other adults should have used better judgment.
They said that the helicopter was flying low
Sometimes telling the CLIENT NO is hard, especially during a business transaction!
Apparently it was suppose to be a 30/45 minute flight!
When they were circling the pilot should’ve told KOBE this isn’t right we should land or go back.
I’m sure they’ll release the Text messages or something, probably find out more later. RIP to those ALL on board!
Preston Norris maybe because they aren’t trained pilots and were unaware of the dangers of the weather conditions
She is very courageous to call out the FAA like that. Doing her job very well. In the end many will blame the pilot, but had the FAA simply implemented what was recommended based on previous crashes (and previous deaths) then Kobe, Gigi, John, Keri, Alyssa, Christina, Ara, Sara and Payton would most probably still be alive
Remígio Chilaule So true! My heart hurts so bad for the families!🤦🏽♀️😭😭
@Gubba Bump Yes he did, we were going to Fullerton from Chandler Fresno on the 24th and had to skud run. Never lost sight of the ground. Turned away from clouds 2 times. Finally found a hole. NEVER IMC.
@Gubba Bump so the NTSB recommendations are not to be considered? You must be very smart to know more about safety in helicopters than the entire NTSB 👍👍👍 congrats
At that speed, seems like he thought he was climbing when he was actually descending, and if he saw the hillside at all I'm sure it was only right before the moment of impact, nothing could be done
exactly
He was climbing until he suddenly turned left and went down fast.
Im sure his eyes were glued to the instruments so he probably never even saw the ground. just a quick bang and iights out...
imserious2187
Bruh he should have felt the feeling of being weightless a bit because of going down.
You got disorientated but you could feel if you’re going down or up. Basic physics btw.
@@iosandroiduser4104 Actually, no, you don't. It's surprising, I know. But heli pilots say you can be going down and believe you're going up. You can even be flying upside down and not realize it. It's that disorienting.
Desire To Ride In A Helicopter:
That'll be a NOPE from me!!
Yes me too no thanks Or even A plaine no to that as well
Ive been on one and I was scared sh--less.........NEVER AGAIN!
Yeah, never been in one but no thanks😂
@@have-a-wonderful-day yeah, airplane is kind of the same😂
Helucopter is safer than plane btw
The fast descend maybe was due to the weight in that helicopter, maneuvering with 9 people on board, the pilot was on almost a blind mode for minutes that seemed like hours without a terrain awareness and warning system over mountains and hills, a recipe for a disaster.
The chopper weighed 19,000 pounds minus fuel and passengers. Anything weighing that amount is going to have a hard impact crash regardless of any speed involved!
Rapid loss of altitude and speed at impact suggests terminal velocity. The pilot had no visual reference and was unaware he was heading nearly straight down.
I've been thinking maybe it wasn't a fast descent but rather the slope of the mountain coming up into the sky. I'm no expert though.
Sad🏛️✝️🛐🛐 and earlier that morning Kobe and his Daughter went to their Church and took Communion .✝️💘
Fun Fact wow god did a good job at protecting them
@@matrixripp09 God plan is the best, we cant comprehend it, but it is what it is.
Wherever all 9 people are, hopefully they are in a much better place
so sad...
Kobe and Gigi’s received Christ through communion. Never easy to accept, but they are now with Christ in heaven. Kobe, GiGi and all those onboard may your Souls Rest In Peace with our Heavenly Father 🙏🏽
A left descending bank at high speed can exactly simulate the feel of a climb. Pilot error. Disorientation. The occupants never knew what happened. Lights out instantly. The only saving grace. Both of my parents died in a severe and sudden impact followed by fire. I’ve researched this: fractured skull; fractured cervical spine; ruptured aorta; ruptured liver and ruptured heart. All of the above result in instantaneous loss of consciousness. My heart goes out to all involved. My parents were very young. This level of grief is life altering for all involved. My sincerest condolences.
In other words, avoidable SMH at the ignored recommendations 😒
I'm just praying they didn't feel a thing and they weren't afraid. If there was any it didn't last long. They just closed their eyes and said their prayers and woke up on the other side. I can't bear to think of it any other way. It hurts too badly. This world already has too much tragedy.😭
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Somethings dont make sense at all😭
I agree with you, It doesn't seem like the Chopper was faulty. Sorry to blame but this was human error
Nothing makes sense in sabotage.
@@raphaeljaggerd3585 The human error was made by the fool who gave them the okay to fly in the fog. The police choppers were grounded that morning for a reason.
The helicopter broke or the pilot was disoriented, only two logical explainations.
Not likely reason, the pilot did it on purpose.
@@marcillioficino4663 what's the use of issuing a special clearance if the personnel couldnt give one? Bottom line was that the pilot underestimated these treacherous fogs.
AIRCRAFT SHOULDVE NEVER LEFT THE GROUND IN THOSE WEATHER CONDITIONS
Bobby Swain You obviously do not understand aviation. Stuff like this happens all the time, it’s routine. It just happened that in those specific circumstances inside and out of the aircraft that this happened. Don’t just assume when you know little to nothing about the industry.
Many helicopter flights were decided to wait on the ground until the weather conditions turned for better. Though the pilot was experienced, he got complacent. It is his fault at the end. He should have landed at Van Nuys airport and requested for a car to transport the passengers to thousands oaks. All of them would still be alive !!!
@Bobby
Why are you yelling?
@Brandon Ohara Mr potato head, this was a commercial helicopter company running a business. In the US, 3200 people are killed every day in car crashes so traveling by car is not without risk.
@Brandon Ohara I guess the point went over your head. There are no risk-free modes of transportation. The police have their own rules and all of aviation does not follow arbitrary rules that the police dept use for their aviation dept.
Sad. One guy on another video said the cloud system in that area was a specific microclimate with clouds beyond thick and no visibility. They wandered into the belly of mother nature and could not see straight. Sad and humbling.
Yeh Todd,this is the most credulous answer i have read,they should ban choppers
Safety's Recommendations;It's FOGGY,No Helicopter Flying today unless it's National Security:B.S...
FACTS
ronnie bravo whoever said they could fly should get investigated
Police helicopters were all grounded that day. I think that explains everything
Name your Channel Thank you. If the police wasn’t sending their choppers up, that should end the argument/decision making. 🤷🏾♀️
My God, to think what was going through the their minds in those final, terrifying moments of life.
:( :( :(
Its horrifying
At some point they were aware of what was happening...this is devastating...I'm sick over this my heart is hurting i somewhat know what these families are going to go through..I lost my first husband and a child...I haven't been the same since...God help this family 🙏🏾
They were aware the pilot was working through things im sure but im nearly certain they didnt think they would crash. At the time worse case they thought pilot can't see so hes going to circle, rise, or somehow clear from fog. The helicopter didnt have a warning system so there werent a bunch of sounds and warnings going off inside to terrify them. They were gone before they realized what was happening. Instanty. 185 mph in straight into the side of a hill... they felt no pain.
Miss B yes
@@keviny704 OH NO! i HOPE THE Y WOULDNT FEEL NAY PAIN..WE ARE JUST ASSUMING!
A fast dissent like that could possibly also indicate a medical problem with the pilot.
Seems more likely that he got disoriented and couldn’t get a grip in time, although ur opinion is also likely he could have gotten a heart attack or something sudden that would have made him lose all control within seconds, I mean at 184 mph something def happened to that pilot
I think a fast dissent would indicate he was very alert in order to render a quick opinion. Oh wait, I think you meant a fast descent. Nevermind. lmao.
skyboy1956 That’s Siri dictation for you oh well
@@mikethewoodworker6194 which is why I love Siri! In the old days we had to pay for that kind of entertainment!
skyboy1956 😂
Still can’t believe it man Kobe RIP 🙏
*Saddest part helicopter explode cuz of impact.. meaning body parts everywhere 😥*
@BKP THERMAL wrong, it says the helicopter is on one piece before it impacted the terrain, it never said it exploded but at 2000 ft per minute I'm pretty sure it does based on the debris and metals being scattered all around the hill.
@@kurseng I see pieces scatter all around
Yet no grass burned
You can hear the crash in someone’s security camera... heartbreaking to hear that it’s on UA-cam
A very preventable accident. RIP all souls on board.
We must recognize all 9 passengers who were killed on board not just Kobe and his daughter. My apartment number is 9. Rest in Paradise the 9 lives that were taken.
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But no one talks about the tower controller who approved that aircraft to transit through at low altitude. Every air traffic controller I know, knows their airspace inside and out. Twice the pilot stated transiting at 1,400feet which was "low altitude" to fly near that region where it crashed. But no... let's focus on the weather. It's funny how 'they' added: "the pilot told air traffic controller in his last radio transmission that he was climbing to avoid cloud layer"... I sure didn't hear that on the tape.
The traffic controller advised him that he was too low! He rose to 2400 feet and then did the sharp bank to the left and rapidly began the fatal descent!
Yes yes I didnt hear him either, he was told to proceed!!
May God bless all the passengers and their family rest in peace Kobe and Gigi
God bless
It's god who killed them
As i was listening the audio they've released the pilot is communicating like they are out of vision. It seems 0 chance of visibility maybe it's a foggy atmosphere. Due to the high current energy the pilot couldn't handle it. He's trying all his best to save everybody but tragic tragedy happens😓🙏😱
I really hope it was instant and there was very little time for panic before.
T BZ doesn’t sound like it, they could have panicked at some point but it does sound like they perished upon impact so most likely it was quick. I pray that that was the case.
R. I. P Gigi and Kobe
Would there have been warning alarms in cockpit to let pilot know he was low?
Genevieve Robert no that’s what their talking about !
Genevieve Robert he knew he was low. That was likely not the cause of the accident.
Rage Quit that’s actually a radar altimeter. A terrain warning system uses GPS positioning to determine hazardous terrain. Before the accident, he was approximately 1200 feet above the ground. The aircraft then entered a dive and obtained a descent rate of “greater than 2000 feet per minute descent rate.” Having a arcade altimeter or terrain awareness system would not have helped the pilot.
Yes And be told to turn back. Not safe or even before they should have been told not to fly not good weather.
@@jamesweigh3178 - Having both those systems I am sure would help a lot instead of winging it in those conditions.
Have any of you guys thought of the pilot getting a heart attack or a stroke at the moment of descending?
That is what I was wondering.
They'll most likely perform an autopsy on the pilot's body to see if he was having any medical issues leading up to the crash.
The weather definitely played a part. He took a risky move.
I've been wondering why they left in those conditions. My answer: TRUST. From what I've heard about the pilot and his experience, I personally believe it was as simple as Kobe trusting the pilot's experience and judgment. And, in turn, the passengers trusting Kobe and overall, feeling like they would be fine...that alternate routes could be taken, flight altitude adjustments made, etc. Honestly, many of us don't know the ends and outs of flying but we get aboard and trust that the pilot knows what he or she is doing (I personally pray to the one I Trust the most...God). I feel bad for all but esp the kids...they trusted the adults and we dont even know if kids were sitting near parents. (I doubt seat changing was happening.) Finally, to be awake, aware and conscious of the moments and not being able to see clearly due to fog or being in back not near windows and feeling the copter going down, must have been utterly terrifying. 😢
Kira 123 I agree. We have a tendency to trust that the person behind the wheel, stick, yoke, or whatever is well trained and knows what they are doing. Everyone trusted the 20 year old kid who flew Buddy Holly into the ground. (The turn and bank indicator in that Bonanza was an older style he wasn’t familiar with. It was more like the old Soviet indicators that read opposite from the more modern ones). He thought it was telling him they were in an ascending turn when they were actually in a decending opposite turn. When Keith Green excitedly piled his kids and another large family into his plane (grossly overloading it) for a quick aerial tour he trusted the pilot to know how much weight the plane could handle. The pilot wasn’t even rated for that aircraft. When John Kennedy’s wife and sister in law spent way too much time shopping and were very late to the airport, it was up to him to make a wise decision and not take off so late. Sadly, the girls trusted that he knew what was best. If he had just followed the shore line they would probably have been ok but he decided to cut across the water and, in the haze, lost his visual perception of sky and water.
commercial jets have better safety equipment and have very strict rules, collision avoidance system, terrain graphics, terrain avoided system, auto pilot can literally auto fly and LAND. WAy safer. Helicopters are far more dangerous.
I’m just gonna stop watching news. It’s starting to look more and more like a suicide plot from the pilot. All these people speaking behalf of his experience and how good he is just leads me to think something is fishy. 🤦🏾♂️
Couple of months ago, a tour helicopter in Hawaii kill 7 passengers and now this. So tragic. May they all rest in peace.
if Kobe Bryant was known of traveling in his chopper for so many times.he was an inteligent human being,he must felt something wasn't right..but we will never know that.we will never know what they felt in last seconds.people just continue to analyze.feel so sorry for his wife and her 3 girls.the most hurtful is to loose love of your life and the child!! r.i.p.
... and for the others 7 peoples Who have names as well !
@@ressourcesjhb2389 I know but Kobe was known worldwide I live in Spain. Very sad for families affected
He had to sense something was wrong. SoCal was at fault. He specified his altitude at Van Nuy 1500 ft. They should have informed them at that time he needed to increase his altitude. The helicopter was 30 years old. So this could have been a factor.
Horrible,very sad rest and peace all of them.
No back box either. Why didnt faa follow the suggestion insane. They should be investigated
Private aircraft dont require a black box
SO SORRY FOR ALL LIVES LOST SUNDAY AND MAY GOD BLESS THE FAMILY WHO HAVE LOST LOVED ONE
The moral of the story? The FAA does not really care about people’s safety
What they care about is those benjamins
u da devils yo' commenter number 1,666 (*_*)
ArkWhale. You have no idea what you are talking about. It is up to the pilot to make the decision to start a flight, maintain separation in VFR conditions or declare an emergency, if needed. It appears he suffered spatial disorientation while in the clouds and made a very costly mistake that took the lives of 9 people.
Just one of the many branches of the government tree..
This breaks my heart. So horrible 😢
I wonder if Kobe wasn't in the helicopter, if this would even be known
join the fist 10 the sad truth is it wouldn’t
Of course not, that's obvious
*I DON'T think the pilot got disoriented* 🙏 ,because the flight path is rather consistent and the "erratic" part is only at the very very end. I think that he was paying close enough attention to the Artificial Horizon Indicator to keep flying true, but when he spotted the moutain he was about to hit, he probably pulled on the Collective and stalled the Rotor blades, and lost altitude. I am surprised that Heli wasn't fitted with terrain warning system. No black box either, so we don't know the exact orientation of the heli during the impact.
It was an immediate death.
Ms. Diez there is no such thing
Like A Sambu D why do u say?
Ms. Diez I’m sure they died on impact
Instant death of course is real and Kobe and the rest died instantly. RIP
macks Smith
They weren’t aware
Where was this pilot common sense at? If the helicopter didn’t have all the proper equipment, at least have eyes. Was it foggy that day? The fog and rain can be very dangerous
The question we need to be asking is if they have prior flight history for this helicopter and has it flown in any weather similar to this 👀
First off, very poor conditions means no flying. PERIOD. Second, while climbing then making that left turn, why was the pilot at a high rate of speed? I mean, I’m no aviation technician or a genius but 160+ knots?!?! In those conditions and near zero visiblity? It’s like running full speed in the house in the dark trying to dodge walls. Hard to believe with the pilots experience and knowledge they would fly straight into a hillside. Almost intentionally.......🤦🏽♂️
if your a multimillionaire wouldn't you want the best flight to make sure your safe withe the best pilot and check the conditions and the route first but r i p kobi and his little angel love you both
Khye Laoumtzes right you’re an asset. Everyone on that plane was valuable
Yeah that Chopper looked beat up
Complacency applies to everyone, including millionaires. Kobe was flying for many years without incident and very likely in the same helicopter.
Kobe was probably unaware of the safety short comings....the pilot probably said it was ok to fly and Kobe trusted him
Bet Jerry Jones yacht has safety features. Why buy a chopper with safety gear left out.
Im telling u lawyers will sue because they don't know how to let this pass without suing
@EFP91 no just wise
@@josephthistle7026 Wise? Solomon wept! I hear just another victim looking at empty glasses or a cynic.
@Sabrina Dugan yea with 40 percent for lawyers
@@preteristlab-endtimes5683 u picking a fight judas
Yes. Wrongful death suits will be filed.
*Imagine in a helicopter and just seeing you in the choppa just dropping downward at super speed.. the ground getting closer by the second.. THAT SHYT SCARY ASF*
Proppa Music Jesus that is scary man but I think and pray that they perished quickly and didn’t have to suffer after the crash
@@antoniogrant200 I pray with u👊🏾
The helicopter going 180mph during impact, that's like riding in a racecar at maximum speed then slamming into a wall head on... damn.
I would assume the pilot definitely lost control of the helicopter and entered a dive as the crash site is at 1600ft above sea level and the control tower lost communication when the helicopter was at 2300ft above sea level. This high energy impact intensity, descending at 2000ft per min. seems like engine failure. Also, I visited the crash area and the trajectory the helicopter was taking does not show any hills or mountains that it could’ve accidentally ran into at 2300ft above sea level. FYI it flew from Burbank airport westbound unto interstate 118, then crossed the valley to follow interstate 101. It was flying westbound on interstate 101 on the right side when they asked the control tower for “follow support” in which the control tower relayed they needed to elevate to higher because of weak signals. The helicopter then crossed over to the left side of interstate 101 and approximately 10 mins prior to the crash was the last time the control tower heard from the pilot.
Roughly 21 seconds from 2300ft to impact, using your numbers. Wonder if the pilot even tried to send out distress or was not able to. Sad, too long for the passengers.
Dont think so it was going we 185 mph, I think he fly over 1 mountain then was trying to go under the clouds to get visual, but the fog was right under the cloud and he kept descending while accelerating at the same time and slammed in to the terrain
Sounds like the pilot encountered engine failure due to icing
@@shawnharris9067
Dude if you don't know what you're talking about stay silent. You don't need to be heard, you're only causing confusion.
the head of the pilot is have problem he is also a mentor also he know ls what he is doing and how to flight ,fyi he is more than a decade pilot but this is happened what do u think comes her mind to do that.
This chopper has instruments for orientation. Everyone seems to point to the clouds and foggy conditions plus pilot error, but it looks like there was a mechanical failure from the sudden left turn and loss of altitude and the cratered impact with 100 foot debris field. Usually loss of orientation is subtle and not so radical.. if this was a mechanical problem it is even more tragic for this skilled pilot. 😔
@Larry wrong.. are you a pilot?
It’s been reported this particular chopper wasn’t equipped with optional terrain detection device...
Why wasn't this helicopter equipped with a black box
greed
It's not required. Just like you are not required to have a "black box" on your car.
Exactly.. That was no accident that was a mission accomplished by the IT'S.
I was up and out at 6:30am that morning for my sons soccer tournament which was a 45 min drive here in Riverside county and even driving conditions were horrible can’t imagine the sight in the sky. Very sad this happened.
Whoever is in charge of the FAA better be fixing up his resume because he abt to get FIRED!
The FAA administrator is appointed by the president and serves a 5 yr term. He can not be fired.
What i dont understand is based of how the damage looks,how in the hell were the able to i.d 9 bodies? And get the remains? How were there any remains left to find?
No burned grass
@@cheese3416 what are you talking about?
Based on what she is saying this accident was completely preventable if only the recommendations and safety items where put in place what a shame!! 😭
I keep thinking of the Titanic 😞 the pilot had all those years of experience, working against him it seems, and he still couldn’t save himself and the others.
It's not just Kobe that died!! I'm sick of hearing just about Kobe!!! What about recognizing the others that perished in the crash!!!
We wouldn't know about this crash but for kobe.
Mark Edward and you're perfect?
@@pixsiedoll2341 yes I am...
Reading this kind of stuff ia really sad. Lets assume Kobe did what you claim, is this making any favor to his surviving daughters?
im curious as to how the helicopter was in one piece on impact? yet photos show the debris scattered EVERYWHERE (i think up to 500 feet one article said).
I think she said they had all the peices. Not much ground speed kept everything there, not a explosion and fall.
So your claim is the copter fell apart in flight? before impacting the ground? are you claiming there was a "shooter" on the grassy knoll? or maybe "multiple shooters"? who shot this craft to pieces before crashing do you suppose? So based on what you say this woman here is simply lying about what happened? because she is a Russian Agent? or hated Kobe? Excellent analysis you should contact Alex Jones with your conclusions..
she referring to it was intact when it hit noting no mechanical problems before it hit the ground. the copter was in perfect working condition prior to crash
Speed, inertia and gravity
I think most of the debris was parts that exploded off at impact and the rest was what the rotors did
I doubt if they will be able to see the bodies. I'm praying for all the families. My heart breaks for them
They were probably blown to pieces
The crash was “high impact” crash? DUH!!
Why wouldn’t it have a black box tho
Not required to.
Private aircrafts are not required to have it.
Yeah I was wondering the same thing too
Nico Ik I get tht but it jst doesn’t seem like something tht shouldn’t have one
@@yurikpikh28 not helicopters
This is cutting deep..😭😭😭😭
I just don’t understand this. It’s a helicopter. If it is so foggy, why didn’t the pilot just hover and not fly? It was high impact meaning that was flying at high speed not be able to see anything. That’s to me was the scariest decision that led to their death.
In a canyon
My thought exactly. Stop, reassess your situation and ask for help if needed. When other peoples lives are in your hands, always play the safe card.
Pilots on Reddit stated that it is very difficult near impossible to just hover in a helicopter when you have zero visibility all around. You have no visual reference outside to determine whether you are stationary and just hovering without moving forward, veering left or right etc
I’m paraphrasing but they said the pilot once he realised he had ascended into fog and then had no visibility was most likely then trying to get lower than the fog to regain visibility and that’s when the impact occurred
Balu Rajguru i hasn’t considered this. What an absolutely terrifying situation this pilot must have found himself in. All things seem to be point to what you are saying.
I think maybe the NTSB need to start making it a requirement and not just recommendation, clearly recipients are not paying much attention to these warnings.
This is sad wonder was they yelling and screaming before the crash 😞😞 i can't believe this RIP
I hope not
What kind of question is this lol
teresa duffy a shaniqua type of question
This is so sad. I bet everyone on board had no idea they were about to crash. It just happened suddenly. 😭
That would actually be good at this point
Man this is deep information I didn't understand the terms of some of the things of what she was saying but I will be Google it up.
OMG!! I can't imagine what his family is going through. This is a nightmare. Falling 200 feet per minute? It hurts my heart that these people knew they were going to die. Oh God!! 😥🙏🏽
It doesn't sound like the helicopter was regulated to fly & the pilot made poor judgement. God bless their souls. Those poor people & babies. 😥😥😥
Surprised to see all these theories about mechanical malfunction and heart attack/stroke when in all likelihood rising terrain in falling visibility is the culprit. For those that don’t know, the pilot was following a VFR flight plan, which means he relied on physical landmarks to navigate and maintain his orientation. When visibility was lost, he suddenly had to rely on his instruments, which is a very difficult transition to make and unfortunately leads to a large number of helicopter accidents. The rate of descent suggests a possible death spiral, which would indicate that the pilot first tried to ascend to escape the cloud layer, was unable to do so and lost orientation, stalled and lost control.
explain how you loss control
Ms. Aguaje Sephiroth 🤔
2000 feet per minute is only 22 MPH, the high energy impact theory doesn't make much sense. RIP to all the victims sad day for the world!
that means they knew their fate.. so tragic
Please explain
Huh?
@Aotorae the pilot had 20 years experience and when someone is experienced like that, they are usually way to comfortable and take risks they shouldn't.
M Win yeaah i feel like the pilot was overconfident and felt like he "had it" and got them killed..
and its kinda weird that it was reported that he accelerated... why would you speed up when you cant see? I wonder if the pilot had slowed down while trying to get over the hills would the accident have been less deadly or not even happened?
@@nayjohnson4412 he must have been confused about where they were at exactly....but will never know
fa rout the media ask ridiculous questions at such tragic times , rip to all the nine people on board who lost their lives