I would have preferred to race a stock dirtbike... - Truth behind Carmichael's Factory Suzuki
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2024
- Ivan Tedesco opens up on his time with Factory Suzuki whilst being teammates with the greatest of all time Ricky Carmichael.
Listen in as Supercross champion Ivan Tedesco unveils his side of racing you wouldn't have heard!! Ivan was amongst the best of our time in supercross, Carmichael, Stewart, Reed you name it! Ivan has had an incredible career, winning multiple championships and earning a well-deserved spot in motocross history! it was a pleasure to spend almost 4hrs with him and hope you enjoy it as much as I did.
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A 450 is perfectly fine stock with suspension mods. After that, it’s the rider preference that matters I.e. ergo and comfort. I was told this by a factory mechanic
they should all be riding stock bikes with minor comfort and suspension mods.
Nope. Just full A kit suspension. These guys would just blow through stock suspension even with stock motors. The simply carry so much more speed than average joe. But manufacturers need to sell bikes. . To average joes.
Compared to the MXGP guys, they are
Sounds boring , no one would watch nascar if they were actually stock cars you can get at the dealership 😅
@@jimbo4203good point but motocross isn't nascar
@@dormantmenace nope more mods
Ivan is a great interview.
‘08 CRF450 could still go out and win. That bike was the culmination of the best 450 motor and chassis Honda ever made.
Whatever you think old man... Because I remember all the 08 Honda riders saying they have to de-tune their bike because it's so powerful like in 2024......... BUHAHAHAHAHAHA 🤦♂️👍
@@tankeater I was curious about your thumbnail pic, so I clicked it…and boy was I not disappointed I did. Baaahahahaha! Cute eyebrow piercing there, buddy. I’m sure the Harley guys think it’s cute when they’re passing you around for a bag of meth.
@@tankeater Oh, and yeah, they were absolutely de-tuning them ‘05-‘08. There wasn’t a single factory guy who didn’t plainly state that if you built the motor, you would not be able to hang on for 30+2. Also, not a single engine builder. They focused only on dialing in throttle response and making a linear power curve. Ask around, sport 😘
@@smith8124 not surprised you'd send me a kiss at the end after what you had to say your first comments...... Please, elaborate what they would de-tune on an 05-08? The first generation of 4 strokes in racing... LMFFFAAAOOO now I know why you brought up your drug fantasy 😂🤦♂️🤡
@@tankeater “The first generation of four strokes in racing.” You sure about that kid? Pretty sure Yamaha started it in ‘97 with Doug Henry piloting the YZM400 to a title. Then they released the production YZ400F that same year. In 2000 they released the YZ426F. Honda dropped their first CRF450 in ‘02. Any other stupid ideas you’d like debunked?
I agree a lot with the justifying your job thing but also believe most of their development for future models comes from this process and sometimes you go the wrong way. You have to work thought it to get to the next level. Food for thought.
I would love to see full works bikes!!
Coop Webb’s previous Yamaha contract forbid him from riding a stock yz450f. He was only to ride the works bike
The Yamaha Factory management were really headstrong as to what they wanted to do with the bike, too. Chad Reed went back there around 2015 or so and they fought with him over how the bike would be setup. The Star guys are far more flexible.
There should be a stock class with personalisation mods and a works bike class with anything on the table
You saw that with Dean Ferris. He rode the stock based Yamaha, far better than he did the Factory Yamaha. He got a 2nd on a stock bike, and was flatout battling for 10th on the Factory bike.
Proof Logan Karnow bought a new Kawasaki off a showroom floor and raced it a week or 2 later and still made the main.
Ty Masterpool went to 450s in MX because you can be competitive on a near stock 450, but the 250s need a ton of money to keep up.
I dont know how the 2013 KX450 is left out of the best bikes ever made conversation, still the fastest stock 450 ive ever ridden and its not even close, that bike felt incredible. Ill take it every time over the 2008 CRF.
I dont know how the 2013 KX450 is left out of the best bikes ever made conversation, still the fastest stock 450 ive ever ridden and its not even close, that bike felt incredible. Ill take it every time over the 2008 CRF.
I wonder if they are afraid of the small possibility of stock frames braking in pro races and making the brand look bad?
My thoughts exactly!!
Thats what came to mind for me as well. How well would a stock frame hold up without the bracing? The frames don't need to be more than stock if everything goes right, when the rider can be smooth and suspension is good. How about when things go wrong? The pros will crash really hard, pick their bike up, and be at it again like nothing happened, or case something hard. How many hits like that can a stock frame take before it snaps mid race? Also, I don't know how long they run the same frame in the bike. Do they use it for the season, or are they replacing it regularly?
Just saw footage of hot sauce, riding the new triumph. He looked faster than ever.
Think of MotoGP vs WSBK - I think in MX it is so much about feel that the stock frame provides some guys the feedback that the seek.
If taping a jam donut on the tank makes a rider faster, then do it... A happy rider is fast rider. Or do it to prove they are wrong, From a psychological point of view, how does saying "No" help the rider mindset?
I'd prefer a custard filled long-john with chocolate on top over the jam dohnut
I think Langston rode a ”stock-ish” 2008 YZF450 in 2007
Seems like a lot of factory teams go down a rabbit hole and wont go back no matter what the rider says.
I have an 08 450f.... I just love that bike! I might treat myself to a new Kaw, just because....Who knows.
Get a Yamaha your a factory edition 450
@@TheJoeml85 Hi, do you mean, 50th Anniversary Edition?
@@davidciesielski8251 or just the blue one
Kawi's suck .
@@herbcanter2114 Please help, is that quote from Einstein or Da Vinci?
So you have several full-time people, some may do nothing but chassis tuning, some just for suspension, some just for the motor, then you think these guys are going to let you go out with just a $10k stock bike? What would you need them for if it worked?
The team spends hundreds of hours testing and setting up a new race bike and just abandon the bike from last year that was perfectly set up and getting great race results. Would make me crazy as a sponsored rider to have to throw away a bike that really suited me for one that was terrible.
Pretty sure Ama has required stock frames since 1986. The bikes have to be production based. That's one of the main difference between European mx. They get to use prototype frames. That's also why all the odd ball race bikes pre 86 disappeared.
So altering stock frames is there only option.
And they need to sell that bike to average Joe's. Who would find the frames they need far to rigid.
That's why AMA is the best gauge of a bike. Best series too
I recall some guy on social media somewhere saying that all factories make magical bikes for all riders, I really hope he sees this lol
No such thing as a magical bike. Sure every once in awhile a rider will strike gold with a bike but it’s still got quirks to it. They best guy is the one who can put up with the quirks the best.
@@zacharyradford5552 your gonna have to tell that to that guy if he pops up in here
Might not be the only reason, but I would bet sponsor dollars vendor contracts play a major role.
Brad Lackey raced a works Suzuk with Simmons forks. Suzuk were furious, told him to take them off. Bad Brad said no and went on to win the 500cc World championship. Even though he won, Suzuk didn't resign him. Factory bikes back then were completely different to what you could buy. Good days.
I don’t think homologation was a thing for dirt bikes back then so the pros raced something that came out a few years down the line for the a public. Like how MotoGP is.
Ill tell you exactly why... "NOT INVENTED HERE". Organizations don't like outside ideas.
Justification of jobs and BUDGET. Use it or lose it.
Imagine how many bike get sold if known he was winning on a stock bike.
They won't let the run stock frames because they're very afraid of having a frame break. Sales and internet memes they'll never live it down. I know a local Fast woods guy here that broke I believe 3 KTM 250SX frames in one season. He doesn't even ride hard moto and mostly hare scrambles.
Ama has required stock frames since 1986. The bikes have to be production based. That's one of the main difference between European mx. They get to use prototype frames. That's also why all the odd ball race bikes pre 86 disappeared.
So altering stock frames is there only option.
And they need to sell that bike to average Joe's. Who would find the frames they need far to rigid.
@@dormantmenace They have to alter stock frames because the guys ride so hard they will break. Imagine Tomac snaps a frame on live TV...Yeah ain't nobody buying a Yamaha after that lol. I mean shizz I broke a 04 yz125 frame back in the day and I was a C rider at 135lbs.
@@RichardsCraniumnot true they are all stock. Knowing people. Straight from the factory.
@@moto3463 lmfao no they are not. They add welds and bracing and it's totally legal.
Also you picked the only bikes that have the shittiest welds on shitty steel tubes😂
This isn't the only time I've heard of a factory team refusing to allow development from a stock bike. Must be some serious egos to put ideas ahead of results.
Just ask Jerry Jones about the Dallas Cowboys...his ego in the face of results. .😢
Pretty sure Ama has required stock frames since 1986. The bikes have to be production based. That's one of the main difference between European mx. They get to use prototype frames. That's also why all the odd ball race bikes pre 86 disappeared.
So altering stock frames is there only option.
And they need to sell that bike to average Joe's. Who would find the frames they need far to rigid.
@dormantmenace yes but gussets can be added, different engine mount brackets can be used, offset bearings in the head race can be used, subframes can be modified or changed, transmission ratios can be changed, so the whole feel of the bike can be way different from stock.
I think that's what the riders were talking about. The already-stiffened chassis is less liked and the teams won't let them start with a more forgiving chassis.
There’s only 1 RC, and it’s takes a rider of his calibre to get 100% out of a works 450..and with his size even more incredible….there’s good, then very good, then very very good…then there’s RC
U give Ricky the bike he wants
This is nothing new. Jeremy McGrath had the same issue when Honda went from steel tube frames to the beefy aluminum frames. McGrath wanted to stay with the steel frames but wasn't allowed to. He said that the aluminum frames were to stiff.
He speaks about no money during a time, everyone needs to understand that and look at the current situation now.
well honda did have about a 20 year dry spell of not doing much.
1983 Alan king could have won the 500cc title. They put a shock on his bike he hated. Suzuki.
I knew it had a hunch. Sounds like you can win races with a stock bike and a pipe.
05-08
I dont know how the 2013 KX450 is left out of the best bikes ever made conversation, still the fastest stock 450 ive ever ridden and its not even close, that bike felt incredible. Ill take it every time over the 2008 CRF.
Not politically correct, but since a few years already I suspect some teams to manage their bonus budget by limiting their bikes, for their 2nd rider sometimes, but even for their first rider too. Some years, some teams are saving a ton ... Pretty shi.... if you ask me but I must not be the only one to have some doubts.
I bet this is what they did with Tomac’s bike to be honest. That’s why he can’t really talk about it. Make yamaha look bad if he said something.
IDK, Tomac went to Star with the understanding that they can do what they want to that bikes.
He had his best season on that first Yamaha ?
@@jackrobertson7888 I agree but things can change. I’m just wondering why it is so hush hush. Also they change the bikes so much year to year. Could of made some frame changes with empty promises to Tomac that Tomac said nah this ain’t going to work after that one aweful race he had.
Barcia is going through it rn. Malcom and Craig love the new frame. Barcia absolutely hates it and he’s publicly said it but I’m sure gas gas is saying well Malcom likes it Chase likes it Craig likes it. Right what we give you
Craig likes it??? Craig, Stewart, Barcia, and even Webb last year have not jived at ALL with that frame.
Seems like honda doesn't compromise for anyone
That's Honda. They develop a bike, have a ton of success, then go backwards (look at the first aluminum frame, McGrath left because of it). Look at MotoGP and Marquez. Honda won't fix the bike, Marquez goes to Ducati and is instantly faster on a bike he doesn't even know. Honda can be great, but Honda also has an ego. When they get it right they are unbeatable, but when they get it wrong they get it REALLY wrong.
I dont know how the 2013 KX450 is left out of the best bikes ever made conversation, still the fastest stock 450 ive ever ridden and its not even close, that bike felt incredible. Ill take it every time over the 2008 CRF.
Gypsy… please for the love of god add some cool shit to the background. Get some bike plates, jerseys, something!!!
U made the dallas press conference weird asf after talking about macadoos nuts.
cool bro
Banning works bikes in the USA has just made racing less exciting , we have to wait year's to get bikes the rest of the world has ridden for a few seasons , it used to be so cool seeing the different works parts being raced and tested every week
It makes no sense. You think Honda would be happy that their stock off the showroom floor bike is that competitive that a factory rider prefers it. That is the kind of thing that sells bikes. Not changing everything for the sake of it to the point said factory ride is unhappy with it. It’s almost as if they have to change stuff in order to justify their job and budget. 🤦🏻♂️🤷♂️
Long live the CR500!
Yeah, they can't leave well enough alone, gotta justify their paychecks.
I hate when you use initials on this show. I don’t have time to follow moto like I used to so I have no idea who BT is. In this case your guest said it, but you often do the same. Maybe think about that and explain it. Same goes for “Coop”. That could be Justin Cooper or Cooper Webb. Obviously you mentioned a fallout with KTM so that means you were talking about Cooper Webb, but by making things confusing or ambiguous, you’re selling yourself short and maybe alienating the common fan of your channel and/or moto in general.
This is a good point, I will try keep that in mind going forwards
@@GYPSYTALES awesome. Thank you!
@GYPSYTALES got to hand it to you bro, you really are a class act taking a humble approach to suggestions in the comments like that. I could see mathis or cooksie freaking out in the comments over that. I am going to subscribe now finally after just seeing that. I prefer your podcast anyway.
I agree 👍, good stuff, loved Ivan, very humble dude.
@@user-un5my5bw4j I wasn't disrespectful at all. I offered what I thought was constructive criticism. I love this channel.
Ricky is a tool... I lost all respect and admiration after his slaying of Forkner. Completely shameful.
I still ride my 2008 CRf450, with a little work they can be really good, the Japanese are stubborn and know everything in there mind.
I dont know how the 2013 KX450 is left out of the best bikes ever made conversation, still the fastest stock 450 ive ever ridden and its not even close, that bike felt incredible. Ill take it every time over the 2008 CRF.