How To Setup AC Servos with Mach3 USB RNR Board
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- How to setup a Chinese AC Servo Set with the popular Mach3 USB RnR Board. Step by step how to make it work.
Btw those AC servo kits are getting really cheap! I've got it for around $150 some time ago. That's the price of closed loop stepper motors or even more pricey no-loop stepper motors and you don't even need a DC power supply! Those seem to be really good for that price.
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I have bought the same kit as you, it has been lying inside the box for two months.
Sincerely I wasn't in the mood to read that manual (although it is quite small compared to other VFD/driver documentation...) and your video made it easier for me to start playing around with it.
Thank you, man.
See that you also like some yerba mate (or chimarrão as we call it here where I live in Brazil) =)
Keep doing your nice content.
Glad you like it! :)
The answer ive been looking for
Great!
Good video my friend..thanks for your time
Thanks my friend!
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En primer lugar darle las gracias por brindar desinteresadamente y con tanta calidad sus conocimientos, que no son pocos.
En segundo lugar me intriga como adopto la costumbre de tomar mate. Saludos desde Argentina
¡Saludos desde Polonia!
Me alegra que te gusten mis vídeos. La yerba mate se hizo popular aquí hace algunos años y se está volviendo cada vez más popular: muchas personas están empezando a beberla en lugar del café.
nice post well presented and relatively easy to follow thank making this clip for info , i have several similar AASD AC motor / driver kits so it great to see the mach usb controller can be used a option s an upgrade, my cnc project many thanks for the tutorial
I'm glad you like it! Hope it helps :)
Olá estou construindo um mini torno de bancada com mach3 vc poderia fazer um vídeo como este configurando este motor com PWM 0-10 v para que eu possa usar com spindle não encontro a configuração na internet e o manual está em mandarim meu drive é Hanpose 1500w acho que a configuração é a mesma mas não tem informação na internet para meu moto e no seu vídeo tem tradução para português Brazil e eu posso acompanhar
Amazingly usefull as always! thanks
Im glad you like it
I am Argentine and I would have liked you to see my face when you started preparing the mate
I would like to see it too, haha! :)
@@GBWM_CNC Where are you from?
@@FedeTimpano Poland over here
Hola, cómo puedo hacer que el motor gire constantemente solamente apretando los botones del driver? gracias por el video
Well done 👌🏻
Thx! :)
hello good morning. When I change parameter p098 from 0 to 1, the motor energizes but emits noise. what could it be? thank you very much for the video
Would you please be able to do a quick video on setting up this servo and mach 3 board with 0-10v speed control for a spindle? Thanks.
I will try to make such video soon, but recently I'm really busy with my projects.
@@GBWM_CNC Thank you, you would be an absolute life saver even if it's just a 1-2min clip to get the point across that would help some of us out so much. 🙂
Excellent!
thanks!
Trabalha só no veneno o gaucho!😂
Chá poderoso!
gracias por el video muy interesante, se consigue el manual completo de este servo driver para manejarlo por modbus.
Sí, parece que existe la posibilidad y tengo el manual completo en PDF en alguna parte. Pero en mi máquina este servo funcionará mediante señal de paso/dirección.
Have you had any experience, are the servos good? Can they be easily tuned?
It works fine in torque mode with my juice press. I will add them soon to my CNC lathe project. But at this moment I can't say much about them.
bom trabalho amigo, parabens. sabe informar se esses servo drivers suportam protocolo ethercat?
Obrigado. acho que não suporta ethernet
Bro, I think, For People like me who take some time to digest such tech stuff, You have to walk us through...!! Can You make a Universally applicable video, in which You teach us how to identify connections,how to set parameter, more than anything -how to determine the parameters that have to be set for rescuing motor and driver from smoke..!!
There is a lot of parameters, a lot of ac servo motors, a lof of types of control. It's hard to cover everything in one video
@@GBWM_CNC Bro,Can You Explain this in a video,
Suppose We Buy a Spindle and VFD from two different suppliers.
By Looking at the Spindle specifications,
What are the most essential parameters that We have to configure, after setting that vfd to factory reset condition?
Or
which values are very crucial on a vfd/spindle combo that incorrect configuration of which might damage any or both equipment?
even though there are many manufacturers are out there, I believe that there is this flexibility to trial and error after setting most crucial values right,
I dont know...
may be you can consider if not that hard..
lot of guys like me still not confident...
Perfect Thanks, your videos are a big help for me and I love them a lot. I have the same servo controller from HLTNC 1 KW but I despair about the setup for a spindle configuration on my cnc interface 4 axis card AKZ250 from Leafboy. Unfortunately I have a 0-10v signal, only a 0-5v signal.
Please do a tutorial on this
Thank you very much and kind regards
You have 0-5V signal and your CNC controller has 0-10v? I've never done this but there are current to voltage converters and vice versa. Maybe you could convert 0-5V signal to 0-20mA current signal and then the 0-20mA current signal to 0-10V voltage signal. It's kind of overcomplicated but it might work and those converters are quite cheap. I've never used such though. In the other direction if you had 0-10 and your cnc controller had 0-5v then an voltage divider circuit would work.
@@GBWM_CNCThank you very much, that's an answer that I can start with.
Unfortunately I only have a 0-5V signal.
The voltage divider circuit could work, since I have a PWM signal on the card, but unfortunately only 0-5V.
It would also be interesting to know which pins I have to use to control start stop, direction change and speed via my AKZ250
I'm a trained bricklayer and I'm not exactly an electric light ;)
Nevertheless, thank you very much for your answer and I am very honored.
Please keep making great videos like this... I can't get enough of them, thank you
@@LumberJackyJackyl I'm really glad you like these videos! :) Btw you can check if your CNC controller doesn't have a jumper or something like that to change 0-5V output to 0-10V output. I think the AXBB-E CNC controller I use on my CNC milling machine has it so it can output 0-10V or 0-5V depending on what your VFD / servodriver needs to be feed with.
What can you help me with? I configured my servo in speed mode to drive a spindle, however I configured the parameter P-098 = 0 to enable the motor via the "SON" external button, however in the CN1 interface I don't know where I should connect the "SON" wire to do this. the engine rotates
In Most times in cnc machine people use servo motor in position control mode (basic pulse & direction), and the big problem is position error to know how many steps loose,and now you can see difference between cheap servo motor and expensive servo's, whatever how can you explain how many steps loose with these tuning parameters
Well - servos from what I know do constantly compensate position error, so in theory if the gain parameters are ok there should be no lost steps.
@@GBWM_CNC my bad explanation!
Actually my question is about position following error.how you can be sure these servo's are tune enough?
Pls tell my haw to connecting the brake??
I didn't try to do that yet, but I think you should be able to figure it out using the manual
Hi, thanks for that useful video, i would like to use it as spindle with the same breakout board as yours , is it possible ?
definitely!
Do we need to use sheilded wires for everything, like power cable of this, limit switch and everything?
I recommend using shielded cables - it prevents electrical noise problems :)
Hi, nice vid there. I was researching for one of those sewing machines brushless 'servo' motors for my DIY milling machine BT30 spindle (replacement for a 2.2kW/24000rpm ER20 spindle), and found these of the vid, cheaper than the sewing ones. What is the catch? Also, I was thinking: I have to multiply the speed to get 6000, maybe 8000rpm, I will divide the torque then, so a 1kW of these would be a better choice for me, right?
Honestly I have no idea - but I will find out soon how these perform. And speaking of torque and power - yes, the more power at the same speed, the more torque
Useful video, thanks. Do you know the white 4 pins connector (near the USB connector) on the controller board what is for ?
Thanks! The connector is for connecting a mpg
@@GBWM_CNC Not the black one, the white one 🙂. I know the black one is for MPG or extra input pins but i'm not able to find something about the white one 😞
How to setup it torque to 90 degrees?
I'm not sure what do you mean?
nice t3d ac servo drive, you can make mill lathe or other?!
If you have a servo - you can do everything! Rule the world!
Hi, is it possible to control these AC servo motors with MESA 7i77 analog +-10v board ?
Hi! I don't any any experience with the MESA card, but this servo supports analog -/+ 10V signals so I guess it should be able to work.
@GBWM_CNC Thank you for the reply ! I bought these servos to my CNC router. The current setup is these servos controlled by usb BOB and MACH3. I am planning to upgrade the system to LinuxCNC + MESA card in analogue mode +/- 10v. I think that's the best choice for the cnc machine.
Hi, Great channel. Is there any reason why you don´t use AXBB-E and UCCNC any more for this project?
Hi! Thanks! Of course this won't be the controller for my new cnc lathe. I just made this tutorial for people who want to use the rnr board with their projects because its cheap. But for my CNC lathe this controller wouldn't be suitable for sure. I'm going to use the uc300eth controller from cncdrive. It is similar to axbb-e but has even more inputs and outputs.
@@GBWM_CNC all right, I been having a lot of help from you´re AXBB-E to UCCNC videos to my CNC wood router =) my next project is another milling machine a Deckel FP4 converted with also a AXBB-E and UCCNC but with Servo motors instead of stepper. and hope you are going to make a tutorial for this set up also 😂 thanks again for awesome videos 🤜💥
@@betamorf there is already such video on my channel - you can check it out 😁
Thanks for the video. I want to use it as a low rpm spindle, for a deburring machine. so it only need to turn. It is possible, to use it without cnc controller, just turn on and adjust the speed with 0-10V for example?
Sure
@@GBWM_CNC Thanks for the quick replay. Have you got experience about the servo set reliability/faultless working? The servo set price, is lower than a asynchronous motor with inverter drive..... It not too good to be true? :)
@@gabortari7848 Yes, exactly. That is so cheap that it seems there is something weird. I have no experience with them much yet but soon i will be adding them to two of my machines so i will find out if these are worth the surprisingly low ammount of money :)
Como inverter a direção de rotação dentro do driver
Deveria haver tal parâmetro, mas não me lembro o que é. O manual deve incluir um parâmetro para alterar a direção de operação do motor
Is there any way to make the mach3 stop when the servo misses step? or any configuration or the driver manages everything on its own?
The driver takes control of everything - there are no missed steps in such devices. If you put too much load - it will throw out an error and you can set it up so it sends a message to the controller.
@@GBWM_CNCSo what would be the step to notify the controller? What would be the avenue for the feedback? I'm about to replace my stepper motors with these and I've been wondering what that would be. According to the sellers I ordered these from they said that the motors would just stop if errored out, but that would still mean the machine would be "running" them.
@@LogicSpeaks The servo driver has digital outputs. If it gets too much load it will put out an alarm (seen on video) and you can get that signal on one of the outputs. And you can attach that output to the CNC digital inputs (similar as a limit switch). I did something like that on my CNC mill - I have similar servos and when those put out an alarm (stop mode) - they notify the CNC controller (AXBB-E was there on the board) about the error. I configured it as an emergency stop signal or something similar - I don't remember exactly. And I wired the signal from all 3 axis to one CNC controller inputs - when any of the servos gets an alarm then the CNC controller goes into stop mode.
@@GBWM_CNCAh okay, thats awesome - thanks for the info. That makes a lot of sense. thanks a ton!
Hi, i received my ac servo set ,same as yours andi see i can use 0-10v to use it as a spindle but no idea how to set it up ! any tips! thanks
Check some of my other videos - I made some videos how to setup a similar servo with this board and how to setup servos in analog mode
@@GBWM_CNC Ok thanks and for this drive and bob do you think it is possible to use it as spindle with step & dir because my port & pin are 0 for all axis , maybe a way to dedicate port & pin num. the point is i need that servo to drive my spindle, i will check allthe video you made about tha BOB and this drive ,thanks again
@@gordonbournival152 i don't know if it is possible to drive it with step / dir - more likely with 0-10V pwm input
@@GBWM_CNC Ok , thanks for all , i will try to make it works both ways , will see! keep going , nice video you do!
great, is this board works better than parallel port board? i am having some issues with this board
Depends. USB seems to be faster than the parallel port. Actually I had better experience with the USB one. But the green parallel one allows to use for example linuxCNC and a encoder. All depends. If you want a reliable controller though - I'd search something with ethernet connection.
@@GBWM_CNC I my machine mach3 pauses for a second in middle of g code running and moves the machine again. I don't know what actually causing this.
@@muneeburrehman450 I'd bet interference. Try to run some "dry" runs without activating the spindle. If it doesn't behave like that - it's probably caused by the spindles VFD. Try searching some info in the web about EMI.
I wanted to ask one thing, for Z axis do we need servo with brake model? I have 1.3kw Leadshine 1500rpm 8.34N one for 2 x and y axes, for Z axis is currently the nema 34 closed loop stepper motor, so i was planning to change it with the servo too.. Do i need the brake model of 1.3kw servo or the non brake version would also work? I dont know how much detent torque it provides and all
You dont need a brake for z axis but it depends on the weight. Sometimes you need a brake of preferably a counterweight. All depends on your needs. If the system is perfectly aligned - sometimes there is almost no friction in the linear bearings and ballscrew and everything could fall if there is no counterweight.
@@GBWM_CNC The spindle mount has only 7kg of Spindle and no counterweight attached to it, Also how to check for the detent torque?
@@dd_Dedsec what do you exactly mean by detend torque?
@@GBWM_CNC I mean detent* torque, its the torque thats available for the motor when not ionized or standstill when no current is passing through it
@@dd_Dedsec oh, like that. So if there is no brake - the shaft spins freely if no powered. About the brake itself - i havent used such. You'd have to check the documentation
What can you help me with? I configured my servo in speed mode to drive a spindle, however I configured the parameter P-098 = 0 to enable the motor via the "SON" external button, however in the CN1 interface I don't know where I should connect the "SON" wire to do this. the engine rotates
With p-098 = 0 and SON not connected anywhere the engine does rotate?
Thanks for the answer, but I managed to make it work, I connected COM+ to +12V external power supply and the GND of the supply I connected to SON with P-098=0 now I can turn the motor on and off with an external button, leaving the axis free when I to trocar like tools
@@YoungCNC great!
Sirve o como se puede configurar para un cnc. Plasma
Aún no tengo experiencia con plasmas.
Witam
Fajny film
Próbowałeś ten silnik testować już do napędu wrzeciona?
Ten silnik będzie do napędu osi mojej nowej tokarki cnc, którą powoli zaczynam budować. Do napędu wrzeciona będzie silnik, który jeszcze jest w drodze z Azji :) sporo większy
Rozumiem że tokarka będzie gwintować?
Na jakim sterowaniu chcesz to odpalić?
@@rafapietrzyk7610 na bank! Sterowanie planuję zrobić na uc300eth od cncdrive z softem uccnc
@@GBWM_CNC Dlaczego nie poszedłeś w linuxcnc ?
@@michu200sx bardzo dobrze pracowało mi się z sterownikiem od cncdrive przy frezarce więc i tym razem chciałbym w to pójść. Mają dobry support przy czym wszystko jest dosyć intuicyjne. Sama maszyna ma mieć trochę funkcji. No i druga sprawa, że chce mieć to połączone przez Ethernet więc linuxa tylko na karcie MESA a one da też dosyć drogie.
Witam . Jaka rozdzielczość tego sewa ile trzeba podać kroków na obrót. Jest podobnie jak w silniku krokowym ?
rozdzielczość 10000 kroków na obrót ale można zmniejszyć parametrami tą ilość, jeżeli sterownik nie wyrobi
Dzięki za odpowiedź . Super czekam na kolejne firmy swietnie się ogląda
Anyone know if I should worry too much about the type of Power supply for Servos? As long as its 220v in this case it should be fine? Or do I need something more specific that mitigates as much noise as possible?
If I remember correctly - the manufacturer says in the manual to put an EMI filter between the power supply wires and the servo driver. It has an tendency to emit huge EMI. During these tests I didn't use an EMI filter and the controller frooze like 2-3 times. I've had exactly the same when I used an VFD for a spindle 3 years ago. Servo drivers and VFDs are similar when it comes to EMI. The USB port of this controller is not prone for EMI at all. The servo will work straight out of the socket but other devices may struggle.
This is what I've observed - maybe someone can add something in this topic.
@@GBWM_CNCThats good to know. So I've wondered whether these AC servos should just hook in directly to AC power or if a 220v Power supply would be better to then supply the servo's. Some suggest that PSU supply would regulate it better and have less spikes and more clean continuous power. I'm no electrician but I've heard this before in other areas.
I'll check out the filters and probably skip the power supply however if its not really necessary.
@@LogicSpeaks what kind od psu? Some kind of AC psu output? It doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe people were talking about stepper motor power supplying. Some people are using switching power supplies vs other are using ac transformators and then just a rectifier unit. But i didnt hear about AC power supplies.
@@GBWM_CNCthey might have been talking about a transformer and I might have gotten confused because the more I look into it the more I can't really find anything.
Is it better to use a 110 to 220 step up transformer or just find a 110v drive if using this kind of setup in US for example?
Hej, to jest prawdziwe serwo ac czy jakis ala serwokrokowy? Szukam fo frezarki 3x750w dobre bedą? Pzdr
Hej. Tak to prawdziwe AC serwo, żaden krokowiec. Oczywiście zależy co potrzebujesz, ale myślę, że dadzą radę :) Wstępnie wyglądają bardzo dobrze, aczkolwiek będę mógł coś więcej powiedzieć, jak je pozakładam do maszyn, do których są zaplanowane.
Jak porównujesz wykonanie tego servo w stosunku do innych? Warto kupować?
W porównaniu do tych, które mam we frezarce to przy tych samych parametrach jest sporo krótsze. Poza tym to jedynie wiem tyle ile zawarłem filmie - więcej będę mógł powiedzieć jak je założę do maszyny. Wygląda solidnie.
@@GBWM_CNC dziękuję za odpowiedź.
Manual był w zestawie, czy pobrany z neta PDF?
@@tricipici8821 w zestawie był
Masz w planach strojenie tego serwa? Jeśli tak, to jak zamierzasz się za to zabrać?
Zobaczymy. Jak będzie potrzeba to będę stroić. Wyjdzie w praniu. Raczej doświadczalnie jeżeli będzie potrzeba parametrami od współczynnika wzmocnienia
@@GBWM_CNC I jak z tym strojeniem bo założyłem takie serwo do frezarki i posuwy ma boskie tylko z dokładnością słabo na razie
@@michu200sx jak chodzi o mnie to jeszcze dosyć daleka droga do momentu aż będę mógł je założyć. Dopiero walczę z ramą maszyny, robiąc kilka innych rzeczy. Poszukaj w instrukcji parametrów związanych z gainem, może coś się uda podziałać.
what did you drink bro? give me a link to it
i was observing last time also
Thats called yerba mate. Google for kurupi or Cruz de malta - those are my fav brands
Barato no es
En realidad, tiene un precio similar al de un motor de CA habitual con un VFD, por lo que creo que es bastante barato.
Super
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