TAYLORMADE DRIVERS THEIR BEST GOLF DRIVER OF ALL TIME STEALTH v M2
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2024
- Taylormade have brought out their new Stealth golf driver for 2022 and Mark Crossfield is comparing it up to the old Taylormade M2. Which driver will out perform the other, do you need to spend lots of money on the latest and greatest model, or are we at a stage where saving your money and buying old is the way to go. Taylormade stealth driver is a change in technology where they have moved away from traditional titanium heads and gone to carbon. With the stand out red face of the Taylormade Stealth, let see what Mark thinks of the looks sound and feel, along with the all important performance.
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This makes me smile. There's no way I would pay the price for a new Stealth, but I picked up a used M2 on e-Bay about a month ago for $115. Yup, I'm smiling.
Smart person
Its honestly like a car. If you're entering the market and want something new - that's what your buying. But the 2013 Toyota Corolla is pretty much the exact same car as the 2020.
I'm getting an M2 used for $70 trmw. Can't wait!
U will love that driver for a long time, I've had my m2 for 5 yrs, I love it, why spend the money when older ones are better
I was just about to pick up a used M2 2017 at my practice range shop, after watching this video, the 5 years old club is still performing pretty well, now I'm back in the range to get it, thanks for the video comparison ....
Love my m2. I had one a couple of years back, stupidly swapped it for another brand, then another brand, then eventually swallowed my pride and bought another m2…it’s staying in the bag!
I picked up a used but in almost new condition 2017 M2 and I love it, the sound is amazing it makes it feel like every shot is a bomb or struck really well. The bigger head looks better imo and I love the bit of white at the front over the all black heads majority of heads use. Not to mention got my M2 for $220Cad where as the new drivers run for $600-700+
To drive home the idea of standard deviation, can you test a driver against itself? I’m sure one will win in yards gained …
Yep I have done that in a video before. People got upset.
Just so I understand what you mean, are you saying to take a driver and for example hit 5 shots with it and then use exactly the same driver and hit another 5 then compare the data between them as if they were different bats? Interesting 🤔
@@the_full_english yep I have done it it’s so funny. Humans produce a lot of mess 😉
@@MarkCrossfield gotcha! Will have a look back at that one 👍
I must find this video, sounds enlightening.
Hi Mark,
I just started playing golf last summer and bought a starter set of clubs (Top Flight). But soon after I discovered that I have skills, I bought a mint used 2017 M2 with a Fujikura pro 56 shaft and head cover for $190 from a Canadian store that shipped it to me in the US for free. I love my M2. Quite the upgrade.
Great video. Still gaming the original M2 and not seeing enough improvements to change.... especially at these insane prices
Great video! Got "custom fit" for a Stealth+ over my M2 driver... except it only had +3 yards carry with a 2" longer shaft... fitter refused to let me hit my M2 again, $800 Canadian for a new Stealth and the fitter was scared of my old driver. Sticking with the M2, thanks for confirming my suspicions.
Thanks for making this video. I am currently playing with a 2017 M2. I get good results with it but have been debating getting a new driver. You just saved me a bunch of money and reducing my golf FOMO. 👍
Nothing is better than an M2. Still using mine and every year I put it against all the new drivers and it matches or outdrives them all.
Great Vid Mark. I have the same Model M2 and am comparing it a Used Sim2 which i recently purchased. The M2 i can control fades and draws a lot easier than the Sim2.The M2 is also more forgiving and has a better feel at impact. Driving distance with both was the same..The M2 Head felt lighter, and when fitted to a shaft, felt easier to swing.The Sim 2 seems to have a much harder face that is unforgiving and less able to shape shots with.I have now completed 4 rounds of golf with both and decided that the Sim 2 is going back up for sale.The same shaft was used in each club during the rounds. M2 was the winner...My Handicap 6.8..Thanks for this vid.Great content as always.
Everyone appreciates your honest and accurate analysis. You provide a ton of knowledge and save your viewers a ton money. Well done.
I’ve changed my irons, wedges, hybrids, putter- at least twice since 2017, and my 3w once. But I still have the M2 in my bag. I’ve tried M4, SIM, SIM 2, a couple of Calloway’s, and Ping G425. None were better, and some were worse. THe poor club is getting a bit scruffy now, but until it breaks or there is some cosmic breakthrough with other drivers, it will be staying in the bag.
I was ready to buy a new driver since my swing speed has significantly increased over the past 1-2 years. I currently have the M2, but instead of getting a new driver, I decided to try a new shaft. Sure enough, the dispersion tightened up, and it performs just as well as the Paradym I was considering! With the addition of larger grips, it feels like a completely new club.
Great Comparison! I was considering a new driver this year, but not now! Seems like my 2017 M2 is still very relevant. I just need to get more consistent in my delivery! Thanks Mark!
I'm really into golf equipment and have had quite a few M2's and M1's over the past year in great condition. For me 150.00 all day for one of these over Stealth all day. I honestly don't think anything since is better than M2...
I've had the R11 and the M5. They're literally identical for me.
Just won a bid on ebay and got my M2 for $82! Very excited to try it out, hopefully an upgrade from my TaylorMade Tour Burner
Youve got the wrong M2. The 2016 M2 is the goat. Thats the 2017 M2. Still a very good driver, but that 2016 was way ahead of its time.
Would also like you to compare “old” fairways to this year’s clubs
You seem obsessed with the colour of “ Stealth” ???. Personally I think it looks & feels great.
I have the 2016 M2 from new... Bought the 3 wood on ebay a few years ago for £80, perfect condition... You can still get the 2017M2 brand new.. Tm still produce them
Wasn't the year before M2 the better club?
Still playing an M2 and still love it, can’t justify the price of a new one for no gain. Slight dispersion advantage looking at your profile but very little difference. Bottom line is that the M2 is one of the great drivers. Second hand around £180 - £240 for a nice one
managed to grab a brand new one from American golf for 65 quid and the cashier was like it's a mistake but I can let you have it! Great driver!
I've been playing with the M1 since I bought it from a friend of mine .. I really don't think anything at this point is going to help with my driving except work work work! I appreciate this very much, Mark .. puts a lot of thing into perspective, that other videos I've seen about the Stealth don't mention. I think for me, without trying anything new yet, I'd lean towards the Cobra driver .. simply because of price for a brand new driver! Love the videos, can't wait for the next one!
You driving up the price of an m2 your selling on eBay Mark 🤣😂 another great video 👍
This vid is so helpful! Have had the M2 with a kuro kage shaft in the bag since 2017. Put it up against the 2023 range of drivers, tried many different shafts but couldn’t get anything to come close to the numbers of my M2 (270m, 13deg launch, 2500rpm). It’s a modern classic.
I have an M2, SIM 2 and Stealth. M2 is the most consistent, easiest to hit , sounds the best and finds the most fairways . Unfortunately it cost me £1000 to find it out !
TM M2 range between £125 to £180 on ebay. Prices still very over inflated and conditions vary by price. My local golf pro took one look at my 2016 M2 and said keep it in the bag as there was nothing really to be gained by the latest versions. Over 5 years the differences are minimal so not worth paying over £450. Better paying for lessons so delivery and strike are better.
How are the lessons going?
@@paulmilam6007 Rainbows everywhere: onwards and upwards
I JUST bought a used M2 driver from Facebook Marketplace. Good condition, and with a 2nd shaft thrown in, so I have a regular and a stiff ... $175 Canadian dollars, which is $140 USD, or 107 Pound. Where I live, the different versions of the Stealth range from $750 - $800 CAD. I'd be crazy not to go with the M2 and get nearly identical performance for 20 - 25% of the price.
With TM and Callaway both putting out significantly upgraded drivers, there is a LOT of product in the used market. You don't have to pay outrageous sums to bag decent gear.
Thanks Mark, great video as always. And yes, I'm sure the penguin shirt made you hit further!
I'd go with the M2...
Wait, I have an M2.
I couldn't believe my luck when I found a 2017 M2 driver and a 2016 M2 3 wood for £100 second hand. I absolutely love them.
How is the 2016 M2 3 wood ? See my comments above on my 2016 M2 driver. BEST ever and I’ve been playing nearly 30 years. I have a Sim Max 3 wood (and 5). And they’re also best ever. Just curious how a 2016 M2 3 wood would compare to my SIM max 3 wood
@@stephendibari5010
I game an M2 2016 3wood 16.5 deg hi launch with a diamania S shaft, awesome club.
That M2 was such a good driver I loved mine
Loved the discussion on statistics and yes I know enough about these, mean, median and mode, but when it comes to looking at drivers I forget about them. Your video and discussion was a great reminder to not to bother about upgrading from the M4 yet and concentrate on who is flying the crate.
I'd like to see you give the SLDR a shot at the 320 green. Easily the longest driver I ever had and also my favourite sounding one.
Txg did the sldr vs stealth. Good vid
Good shout... maybe Stealth plus with forward track might get that hot low spinner
one year on, and I've come to this video - perfect content - I've been playing my M2 (got new for €240 about three years ago) but have been itching to bag an excellent deal on a brand new Stealth (€307), cos its fancy. On this evidence, I'll keep my money in my pocket
Great vid Mark 👌 I got a 2017 M2 driver + a 2016 M2 3 wood for £150 second hand i couldn't believe my luck I absolutely love them ❤
Mark this is the WRONG M2. The 2016 M2 was the club! The 2017 was not as good!!!
I just bought 2017 M2 in great shape for $150.00 at a local dealer in Wisconsin. I bought it with the Atmos orange driver shaft that Taylormade made available for the M6. It replaces the R9 460 after looking for over a year. I am hoping it works out. Thank you for your videos.
It does make me question if drivers are now just fashion? Like a pair of trousers you can only make them so tight or loose or long or short. Are there any real gains or do they just go round in circles. They do seem to spend millions in R&D just to change a bit of colour.
You should compare the M1 440 from 2017 with the Stealth Plus. I just bought the M1 440 2017 with the Hzrdus Yellow in x-stiff from Golfbidder and I love it. It's small, easy to hit and really forgiving.
I'm still using the M2, changed to a stiff Tensei Red Shaft a few years ago, still loving it till this day. This was great to see, cause I really don't have the funds to switch the new Carbon driver.
Would love for you to test their 3 woods in both of these models. Especially with the pricing of the Stealth Plus 3 wood as expensive as some new 2022 Drivers.
Thanks Mark, I play an M5 - you just saved me $550! 👍👍
I sold that exact M2 for about $160 roughly a year ago. As most noted, it's a great great driver. I just bought something that I personally could hit more fairways with (and didn't really compromise distance). A driver is a driver is a driver these days.
I got an M2 at a yard sale a few months ago. Only paid $50 and it's in great shape.
I got fitted at "The Kingdom" (the Taylormade East Coast U.S. fitting facility). I got fitted for the SIM, SIM2 and Stealth. I had the 2017 M2 driver a few years ago, but absolutely hated the white and black top. That shouldn't have anything to do with how I hit it, but it did. The SIM and SIM2 also have that look that I hate, so that may also be why I didn't hit them as well. The Stealth blew the SIM and SIM2 away, for me. Not necessarily in distance on center strikes - there wasn't much difference at all. But, the dispersion was so much better with the Stealth (again, for me) - both left to right and front to back. And, again, I got fitted for them all at the same time so it wasn't like I was testing a fitted Stealth shaft against stock shafts in the other 2 heads. I have played 3 rounds with it so far and have hit 31 of 34 fairways. Is it the looks? Is it the carbon face? Is it the deeper head? Who the heck knows but, for whatever reason, it simply performed better than the others.
Right! There are so many other variables here than how the two drivers perform when both hit well
The 2017 M1 was the stand out driver of the M series for me. M3 and M5 didn’t deliver any more distance and were less consistent in my hands. I really didn’t get on With Sim, so moved to a Callaway. I’ve just had a fitting for a Stealth and was really impressed with distance and consistency, so much so I ordered one. I also think it looks and sounds great 😊
The M2 was their best, they can put it in the HoF with the original Burner from the 80s.
Picked up an M3 the other day for £150. Nothing wrong with it. Love how folk slagged it rotten when it came out.
I just picked up a 2017 M2 a couple weeks ago on eBay for $160 shipped.
Mark - As these are essentially the same in performance. My question is this. How far back in years do you have to go before there is a measurable difference in drivers performance? 5 years? 10 years? I'm still using a TM R7 from 2004 and still seeing great results just wondering if jumping 15 years newer would even make a difference...
What I want to see a tester finally do is to break the club face of the driver up into 9 quadrants. Three from top to bottom and three across the face off of those. I want to see the numbers for 100 balls hit off of each quadrant with a few different swing speeds. That will give people an idea of what to expect and what clubs are actually "better" for an individual. My common strike is a couple millimeters low and towards the heel. The tests with the ball being hit all over the face don't say much. All the clubs are so close in performance.
I have the stealth plus, 9 degree and swing at 95 mph. Love the sound. Does not sound dull to me.
Mark,
I bought a slightly used OG M2 in 2018 for $150. It is the best driver that I have ever hit, and I have never considered buying a $500 driver - I’ll let these guys who want the newest technology, because they “think” it will make them better, pay that and then sell me their 1 or 2 year old club with 15-30 rounds on it for 1/3 of the new price. There is something to be said about buying a new driver because of the confidence that it can give (golf is a head game), but I think you (well an amateur) don’t groove a driver for a full season. Until I am a single digit HC, I’ll not buy a new driver off the shelf. As a matter of fact, I’ll never buy a $500 off the shelf. If I’m going to spend that much, I’ll add on another $175 to get a fitting.
I’m still hitting my 2017 M2 . Haven’t found anything I like better . I have put. 46 gram S Evenflow shaft in it though. Increased my club head speed from 96 to 101 . I’m 63 and hit it farther than when I was 40 .
Hey did you say 46 gram even flow project x shaft ?
Bought an M2 today. Fujikura 60g S flex. Good condition. $130. I typically game a 65g shaft, but I couldn’t pass it up.
I bought the exactly the same M2 as your using with a 52 gram shaft last year £110 goes miles
Strike and delivery are still king...I for fun, hit my old Taylormade 540TP from about 20 years ago with an DG x-100 8.5 degree...use it.more of a warm up devise now lol, but when struck only about 15yards or so difference to my Tour edge exotics C721...BUT miss hits are massive in the new clubs...again strike and deliver are king...great video
Game an M2, had it a few years and doesn’t seem much point in changing it, always interesting videos Mark. Good work 👍
no joke i just bought a used m2 to see if i like it and holy shit. i freaking love this club even in 2022
I picked up 2017 m2 driver m1 driver and m2 3w 4 wood M2 5 w for $3.99 each in excellent condition with my 10% senior discount at Goodwill less than $20 for 5 clubs. I felt like I won the lottery.
Love my set of M2's,at 68years old will be my last set if it ain't broke don't fix it,just have to break that 90 now
'Show me the second hand deals'... I got an M2 around a year ago in great condition for €160 ( I live in Spain), I think. I'm well happy. It felt like it was a considerable upgrade on my Callaway FT9 from 12 yrs ago, although that was a great club too.
This is DeWayne 7.3 hcp, 65 (not my wife)...My Speeder shafted M2 is still out driving guys bigger than me with new Stealths. I was fitted for my M2 by a real club fitter. Recommend everyone get fitted...its the shaft most of the time.
I love my 2016 M2 with a Hzdrus 76g shaft.
Show me the 2nd hand deals! Tested my M5 tonight v Stealth, Stealth+, Rogue Max, Rogue Max LS, Ping G425 - once set correctly M5 beat all on distance except Stealth / Stealth+ which were 5 yards further & a little better on bad strikes (M5 high spinny but in play, Stealth/+ low left). G425 easiest to hit but shortest. Not enough in any of the new ones to merit changing, & v glad to have a decent honest pro giving an honest opinion with numbers to back it up👍
Read an article years ago about driver impact sound actually impacting your hearing after hundreds of hits...not sure how much but the sharp spike in sound was the culprit they thought...surprised someone doesn't sell a dull sounding ear protection driver.
Just picked an M2 9.5* in almost perfect condition with a stock Fujikura 56 Pro Stiff for $160. Good deal in my opinion. Had this driver a few years ago, and time to give it another try!
I got beef with this green.....love it.
Have played the m2 for years and have never considered changing. It just works
Always enjoy these videos! Keep content coming
Those first numbers are hilarious, I love how you just get the same numbers with all the different driver's old and new but everyone keeps yelling louder it's new it's longer 🤣🤣👍 cheers bruh
In the USA, Taylormade M2 Driver 9.5 degree Stiff -- $107-125, Ebay.
I have several Taylormade and Callaway drivers. All fitted. My favorite is the 2017 M2. Second is Callawy Epic LS 2021. I will never part with the M2. I tried out a Qi10, but my M2 won out for me.
With the Carbon face, I bet there is a break in period like with composite baseball and softball bats. It’s going to get hotter and hotter I bet
That was the first thing I IMMEDIATELY thought when I heard about this driver. Would be hilarious if they turn out like the old Easton "Stealth Comp" and they literally turn into a safety hazard because they're so hot 🤣. Playing against that bat felt like someone was shooting baseballs out of a cannon at us .
@@LTR1420 yep. Coming from highly competitive slow pitch and how our bats reacted. They just keep getting hotter the more you hit them until they become illegal due to compression tests. Titanium faces start at their max threshold and stay there
I picked up an M2 driver, 10.5 deg, reg flex NM condition for $200 AUD. He gave me another M2 driver, stiff flex for NOTHING as he has skied a drive which has given the crown a loose tinny sound. So i think a bargain
Just grabbed a M2 in virtually brand new condition for $130USD. Changing out the shaft but what a steal!
Best golfing videos on UA-cam...bar none! Would love to see a video similar to this but comparing the Callaway XR 16 (my current driver) to the new Callaway offerings. Or do you think the results would be the same?
Just been for a fitting this week and tested the new cobra, rogue st and the stealth ..the numbers were very surprising for me and the Stealth probably won on numbers but i just couldn't get passed the red face ,so i opted for the rogue..the sound is amazing especially when I caught one 😊👍
I loved the sound and feel of stealth. The look in person is better than on the reviews and my on course testing it was a fairway finder, but in testing the new rogue st max while testing multiple shaft options for both clubs, I was getting better ball speeds, better deviation and better disbursement With the Rogue. The biggest stealth detail I noticed is that compared to m4, sim, and sim2 the toe misses actually didn’t get a lot of dead backspin. We tested that also with heel/toe misses recorded for stealth got avg 10 yards more total distance than sim2 choosing 7 nin center hits on each driver. We guessed that it might be some weight shifting in head or the twist face has changed in some way. It was interesting to us golf tech geeks
I like the titanium sound over the carbon sound
- Because colors make everything better
haha love it
Interesting video content… which clubs have moved forward the most in the last 10 years… long irons? Hybrids? Game improvements? Any of them?
What shaft flex are you using on the M2?
I have had an M2 for four years. I've gamed a Cobra King F9 for the last two years. I just bought a new M4 for $289USD which I am expecting this week.
I think the twist face will help with dispersion, but I have no doubt that the M2 can knock the ball just as far as the new bat will.
I don't hit the ball very far now, so driving onto the fairway is critical for me to make pars and the occasional birdie.
Orange Castle tee and you would have been thru the back mate
i play this m2 with a speeder tx flex. its inconsistent. BUT, i do occasionally hit bombs with it. and i will say offcenter hits arent punished as bad as they should! so its forgiving. long. and cheap as heck on ebay these days. i think i prefered the r11s over all tm drivers. but im nostalgic 😂
Bright driver crowns need to make a comeback. It’s a lot easier to make adjustments if you can see what the head (face angle and even somewhat swing path) is doing as you swing it. Driver heads should have neon green crowns. At least near the face.
Hi Mark, seem to talk a lot recently about the duck hook/low spin misread on GC2 sim. What is that and what is happening/not happening?
My first TM driver was a R580XD I loved it. Then a few like the areo burner,
Rocketballzs and R15, I didn't care for them but the M2 from 2018 is still in my bag and love it.
There wasn't a 2018 M2.
Hi Mark, just got £104 for my m2 5 wood on eBay. Mine was the m2 prior to the one you are using. Good review because I feel that there isn’t much distance between some older good clubs, than todays.
You know what would be an awesome video? If you brought a long drive person in there to help get your speed and distance up. I would love to watch the progression!
I actually switched to the cobra ltdx ls last month after 15 yrs of TM … 1 just felt amazing, 2 came standard with my current shaft of hazard blue (been seriously unimpressed with standard TM shafts last 5 yrs) and 3 I hit it just as good or better than my current SIM and it’s $100 less than TM
I would love to have an m2 but I just lucked out on a Callaway xr16 stiff flex for $10 with a jumbo cp2 grip! So far I haven't found anything to replace my bonded 9.5 RBZ. I'm hoping for more accuracy because my RBZ goes over 300. I'll find out shortly if it's going in the bag!
I question if the carbon fiber will hold together after 500-1000+ hard strikes.
M2 2016 was one of the £££££ second hand clubs still looking for £175 they were just that good!
If I could have used my shaft, but as it was, didn’t care for the sound at all with the carbon. Since they didn’t have a 76g shaft also didn’t hit well.
I would like to see you keep your feet where you start them. The shuffle is crazy and falls back to your old stance "in my opinion" lol. Can you get faster head speed with a wider stance or does it restrict you hip turn?
Why do I think of the Nubbins putter when I look at the Stealth? M2 2016 are the ones to get but at a price
Is it worth getting a club fitting on Stealth and then buying as close as possible matching M2 from eBay? Or is fitting and eBay mutually exclusive?