Calling Josh Barnett an expert is a understatement. Literally one of the best ever in his weight class. Resume is held down by drug suspensions limiting available fights
FINALLY someone with a realistic perspective. Ask a wrestler and they give ridiculous answers. Haku would indeed be terror but not a world beater like a Fedor.
@emilyanderson9559 How would he even get past his strikes to get that close? Even in grappling range - Fedor could ALSO bite - and being the better grappler means he would be the one in the better, more dominant position to actually employ that tactic (same with eye gouging). I'm not even saying Haku wasn't tough (compared to the average drunk in bar) - but that's the only guys he ever fought. Fedor beat elite, world champion, professional fighters... he didn't just bite drunks in bars. Now imagine if Fedor ALSO wanted to bite and eye gouge!
Jon Strickland, Gokor Chivichyan, teach American lineage catch wrestling, which is very effective and almost identical to modern grappling. Tony Cecchine Lost Art of Hooking is an incredible resource as well
Barnett called Meng a total badass and complimented him huge but if he doesn’t say that Meng would have been the undefeated heavyweight GOAT then everyone in the comments gets butthurt. You guys know wrestlers are always “working” right? They make their stories sound larger than life, it’s part of the job, even Meng fight stories.
Uh no Meng is known to have always been a guy you want on your side. Has jack to do w working, he just is a guy you want in your side in a fight. Doesn’t mean he would be a MMA champ either but it would be a fun time fighting him.
Kimbo Slice would be a good comparison of someone who had a reputation before going into MMA, though you got to see alot of his fights, of course. Personally, I prefer it the way it is, with the legend/myth of Haku. I'm pretty sure he would of had some losses, if he was in MMA.
Barnett is theee most knowledgeable fighter when talking fights/mma. I would love to see Him next to Rogan or in place of Rogan commenting on fights in the ufc
The question is what could Haku/Meng have done in MMA had it been around when he was young and if he had started training for it as a teenager and if he had hooked up with a good MMA training camp and done it full time. Would he have been a champion?
@@libertarianrevolution7026 we’ve seen plenty of cases where a less gifted athlete beat a much more athletic fighter by skill alone, despite being slower and less powerful, even for the belt. Strickland vs Adesanya is what comes to mind most recently.
people overrate Lesnar bigtime as an elite fighter. i remember watching him backing up scared as hell whilst getting outpunched by Couture who was in his mid-40's and realistically was a LHW
@@michaelhauser6440 watch the entire fight multiple times. Not once did I claim in my statement that Brock was tougher than cain. You’re a fucking idiot.
@ilcarcerieredimauri79 backing up scared is just an ignorant comment from an ignorant person. Backing up as a mean of defense is more like it . Lmao at your ignorance
@@tdozzy991 i guess him literally running away from Carwin was a defensive technique as well in your eyes 😂 i think you need to go back and watch those 2 fights again because you clearly don't remember what happened in them very well.... "lmao at your ignorance" who even writes shit like this ? you sound like an 11 yr old girl on her first period 😆
@@stevejamieson8468its easy for OP to type all that out because he’s too deep in Haku’s crotch. These people get wet over the stories they hear from drug addicts and drunks
Very different profiles. And saying someone can't do something because he didn't do it is just as unconvincing as saying someone can do something that they haven't been shown to do
I'm sure Haku could get the odd win in an early UFC/Vale Tudo fight, but by his late 30's when it came around he was not in shape like guys like Dan Severn and Craig Pittman (Who competed in Vale Tudo while under contract with WCW) Were who competed and were around the same age as Haku. From UFC 1-4 I believe he could have beaten guys like Zane Frazier, Art Jimmerson, Robert Lucarelli, Ron van Clief, Joe Son, David Levicki, Fred Ettish, Scott Morris etc
I agree. Frazier had decent striking for an early fighter, but Haku would probably win if he was smart enough to take it to the ground, where he'd probably do GnP. However, no matter how tough you are, it won't help if you get caught in a submission, which guys like Royce Gracie and Ken Shamrock might have done to him. Severn would've been tough with his wrestling. So would a young Tank Abbott, who was also very strong (like Haku) and was an All-American junior college wrestler, had a bit of boxing training and an experienced street fighter like Haku. Kimo would've been interesting as well.
Dan Severn is a year older than Haku and wasn’t fast or athletic. He could wrestle and was probably strong but so was Haku. Haku could still move fast and fly around in the ring when he came back to WWF in 2001 so he definitely would’ve been just fine in the 90’s
@@michaelhauser6440 Dan Severn wasn't athletic? Maybe you should look up his amateur wrestling accomplishments. Also in the mid 90's Haku wasn't at all, he was a lot slower and out of shape compared to what he was in the 80's. Severn clearly moves better and seems younger than Haku if you compare them wrestling in the 90's.
@@johnp7739 Frazier's striking was decent but he would get sloppy and just somehow lose fights that he shouldn't. He should have never lost Cal Worsham who got his lung punctured from one kick from Frazier yet then Cal took him down and pounded him out! I remember seeing one fight where Frazier fought a guy he had 60+ pounds on, Frazier takes him down then gets beat due to ground and pound 🙄 No shame in his loss to Kevin Rosier though as that was an absolute war.
@@wolf7el356He was sent to Japan by the king of Tonga to learn Sumo, but trained in Judo, Jujutsu, Tae Kwon Do Too Because, as he says "Bruce Lee was the man, we all, like EVERYBODY, wanted to be like him"
Wow! He did something as a teen briefly. Incredible! Christoph lenninger was in early ufc. What did Haku accomplish in judo. Compared to lenninger. Would meng impose his incredible teen judo classes in everyone? What was his judo record. You’re living a karate kid fantasy man. “ he played basketball football baseball soccer as a kid “ He’s the world’s greatest athlete.
Btw i just hate it when someone is known for knocking people out, whem In actuality its smaller guys, older guys, drunk guys and people who arent good fighters that these "knockout artists" are defeating
When Vader don't want to try you that says enough for me. Don't you think legit tough guys tried haku just to see. Ask Don fry. He said he is a scary individual, but a super nice guy.
@@JefferyAshmore Why would you think Vader a big obese wrestler would think he could fight unless you think being big and somewhat athletic means you can fight,I have no doubt Haku could beat a shitload of everyday blokes but if you are beating up guys that are being annoying in the pub or trying you out doesn’t really mean they are tough.Fry knows the wrestling game he knows it’s great for their image if they have a seemingly legit tough guy,he himself hardly beat a guy standing apart from the one that stood right in front of him the guys back then had rudimentary stand up so easier to take it to the ground with no stand up threat.
What if Mars was your toothbrush and Jupiter was your ... uh ... comb??? How does that Office joke go again!??????????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Haku, at the absolute best, would be a Scott Ferrozo type. He didn't have an extensive amateur wrestling pedigree, which you needed unless you had a serious BJJ/catch/judo background. A guy like Tank Abbot, who was a decorated wrestler and had lots of boxing experience, would murk him. Prime Shamrock would eviscerate him. And Brock would take his life. Haku wasn't a real fight. People need to STOP THE CAP and become grown ups, admit Santa isn't real and that Haku ISNT a fighter.
@@mikerelva6915 Interesting names you mentioned, considering Tank, Shamrock and other MMA fighters experienced with the world of Pro Wrestling like friggin Don Frye of all people have talked about how they consider Meng/Haku to have legit fight ability
@fredfred4086 LMAO what a joke 😂. Haku would lose to Mighty Mouse. People that say Haku would win know NOTHING about fighting. They are like children that think their Dad is the toughest guy in the world.
Josh is a smart man, i know haku very personally and what Josh says is true about hakus fighting abilities. As a man, hakus is the best ! Sign Bobby B.
Every story I have heard about Haku's fights is about his willingness to gouge guys eyes. That makes him mentally unstable, not skilled. Beating up nonathletic drunk guys in a bar that are weaker than you doesn't make you skilled either.
This is a BS answer. It’s a hypothetical… why would we assume he isn’t doing it full time or that he couldn’t train in whatever he needed to? Hard to say exactly how it would have worked out but he was light years better than the early ufc guys - biggerc stronger, more flexible and much faster than say… Kimo. Many top mma guys came from pro wrestling in Japan. I think a young haku could have made a great fighter. I don’t know exactly how good. I think with his athleticism, strength, quickeness and good flexibility he’d have picked up bjj very fast.
He was trying to be respectful. Haku is known to be a badass because of bar fights with drunk morons. Barnett didn't want to disrespect the legend of Haku, but he wanted to give a honest answer as well. I thought he was pretty diplomatic.
Let me tell you I have strength and in jiu jitsu they tell me to ease it on muscle and mainly use techniques and I roll with some big guys and are tough as hell major respect to them guys around the world and It would be hell and haku is a person I would want next to my side in a match or on the street
@@Doomzdayxx well after I saw Bill Mulkey go into a shoot mode with Road Warrior Hawk after a potato, After that day at the old Turner studio , Nothing is impossible for them little guys , after what Mulkey did with hawk , He made me start believing in Santa Claus again
One of my comments here was deleted/removed, so I will try again in a nicer way. First off, skimming through these comments, you get the feeling many of them are being written by one user with multiple UA-cam usernames. You can tell by how similar/repetitive many of these comments are. It's obvious. Why would this one person do that? Seems to be a trend on a lot of these pro wrestling oriented video clips. They feel insulted and feel they need to reinforce a point with multiple fake usernames/profiles. Really? That's sad. Secondly, let's get realistic. Haku was (and probably can still fight, to an extent, today) a 100% legit street fighter who fights for his life, not to try to show off in front of misguided UFC fans. If Haku was in his 20's right now, he would dominate whatever weight class they put him in. He would be Champion of whatever weight class. Haku could crush people 300+ pounds. In a real fight, weight class means nothing. In a real fight, you can't tap out; you fight until one is unconscious. Haku would inflict so much damage that UFC would have to call paramedics to take Haku's fallen opponent to the hospital OR at the very least Haku's opponent would require unprecedented surgical repair in a hospital. The type of damage no UFC fighter in history has ever inflicted or endured. No UFC fighter (or other companies like UFC) is a master. In UFC/MMA history, there has never been a true assassin, a true killer. Haku, however, is a true master, a true assassin, a true killer. Haku may never admit it (because a true master doesn't brag or reveal the skills/techniques he has), but he is a master trained in a variety of fighting disciplines such as: Aikido, real Martial Arts striking, submission techniques. The Tongan Death Grip, for instance, is something no amateur (yes, all UFC fighters are amateurs) can prepare for. The Tongan Death Grip is probably illegal in UFC. The only way Haku would ever lose to an amateur UFC figther is if he disqualifies himself by using outlawed submission techniques or excessively attacks (UFC actually has a list of illegal places you can not strike on the body). Headbutting is probably illegal. Well, in a real pro martial arts fight, you can strike anywhere on the body (including places like the groin or spine or eyes or ears or back of the head). In fact, UFC is so weak that an amateur like Brock Lesnar joined and became a Champion. UFC fighters are incredibly overrated. If they ever allowed a killer assassin to join, such as Haku or Dan Spivey (rumors are Spivey not only had a boxing background but was some kind of hitman or debt collector before he joined pro wrestling), you would see what a real master can do and how outclassed every UFC fighter in its history would be. I don't know if there's some secret master out there who trained killers like Haku or Dan Spivey, but they have been trained to win fights fast in 30 seconds AND inflict incredible damage (such as facial bones sticking out of face after being struck with just a few strikes). No UFC amateur has ever been able to inflict this kind of damage. If these UFC fighters can't do this, they should at least try to master lock-and-hold Aikido techniques. Another good example is Badd Karma from Fight Zone (back in the 90's). He was another master who would obliterate any fighter in UFC history. Obviously he was a master of many disciplines but his Aikido mastery allowed him to defend against any opponent (no matter what weight class). Never underestimate what a real master can do. Many UFC fighters spend 80% of the match grappling on the ground. Well, for example, a UFC fighter who tries to take down someone like Dan Spivey to the ground to wrestle will immediately get his face punched off forcing the ref to call the fight as TKO victory for Spivey.
I dont know why people are saying haku wouldnt have made it in the ufc from all the stories i hear he sounds like an untrained jon jones and that type of viciousness will get you a win no matter what type of combat you choose to pursue
People ignore Haku was trained not only in Sumu but several different martial arts. He standing still could kick guys over 7 feet in the face with perfect balance. Also no one in MMA was close to being as strong as he was.
Acvording to numerous stories, its not just strength and training that made Haku dangerous, he had INSANE natural strength. Look up Bobby Heenan explain watching Haku pull a guys bottom teeth out with his fingers. With his FINGERS! Thats not normal strength.
The trained mma fighter could ALSO eye gouge and bite if those are the rules you want to play! The only difference is the trained fighter would have the advantage in positioning
So many teenagers on here. He just gave a honest assessment. I have done awful things in fights like push fingers into eye sockets, almost biting through man’s neck, but I have no fantasy to hold my own with professional MMA fighters. Remember he biting some drunk dude nose. Also, how wasn’t there charges filled against him?
It is a fair assessment. Josh is super knowledgeable. Do some research on Haku, pretty much all knowledgeable people - wrestlers, streetfighters, bare knuckle boxers, rate Haku as one of the toughest of all time. He was a highly trained fighter, had insane strength, and a killer mentality.
They seem like pssies to me. Look at the usos. I remember one called me a howlie in hawaii and i called him a go0o0ok. LOL he didnt do shhtt., just cowered and walked away
This is probably the most reasoned analysis of Haku's legit credentials and potential that I've ever seen. You've got two camps when it comes to Haku - the old-timers who claim he was the toughest man alive but only have a bunch of stories of bar-room brawls and cops with mace and handcuffs etc. and then the n00bs who totally discredit him because he never fought in the Octagon so therefore he must've been a pussy with zero fighting skill. Barnett is better than anyone in either camp.
All signature moves of Meng like eye gouging and biting were illegal even in the early days of UFC, so speculations that he would have been some great fighter have no background whatsoever
And even though those things were illegal, it doesn't mean some of the early guys didn't try it. Gerard Gordeau bit Royce Gracie in UFC 1 during their match and the only thing it got him was that Royce held the rear naked choke far after Gerard tapped to punish him for his behavior.
haku would be along the lines of a mark hunt imo. some exciting ko's, but also tapping out a bunch. barnett wants to honor the reputation of pro wrestling circles, while also be frank & honest, i respect that
prime Haku vs prime Barnett would of been like sending a lamb to the slaughter for Haku you don’t realise the levels of trained world class fighters like JB were/are at
I reckon Haku would have been very difficult to deal with in his prime had he trained for MMA. His toughness. We will never know. One thing I do know is that he would fear no man in a fight - MMA or not. Because he is not only tough but crazy. We heard the stories of him taking on multiple people and multiple cops; he just did not care.
Kimo didn’t get wrecked at all. Royce had to result to hair pulling in that fight. The reason Royce had to bow out, of that tournament, was due to the beating Kimo put on him.
Sport fighting is a learn as you go some learn as they advance others don't learn much that's the difference between a great fighter and a great champion great fighters don't always become great champions some never win or get a title shot and when it comes to fighting styles they are all over rated it's how you use what you learn not what you know Haku would have been great but we'll never truly know.
Steiner brothers said "we thought we were tough until we met haku". Don Frye said Haku is a real deal. Hakus best feats are pretty much immune to pain and very strong while being agile. He could easily kick the head of"giants" like big show and Andre.
There are still people out there that believe with all their hearts Harley Race would beat Dan Severn and Brock Lesnar. It's a testament to the power of kayfabe more than anything I think.
Not trying to sound disrespectful, but how much does Josh Barnett know about Haku? I mean, does he actually know him, or is he a little more knowledgeable about Haku's fighting ability than, say, me? I've heard some of the stories, I can see that he's a big, strong, guy, but unlike Barnett, I'm not an mma expert.
I clicked on this. :D Haku was offered UFC early on. I think he would have domineered for a good few years. The total package of speed, skills, strength and durability. But he stuck with WCW.
😂 he would’ve done no such thing ! Shamrock , Goodrich , Coleman and Fry would’ve smashed him. Gracie would’ve choked him or broke his arm. Y’all gotta stop building up these wrestler “legends” lol
Every Haku fight story I've heard revolves around someone disrespecting someone and Haku standing up for himself or someone else. That set up isn't always there in professional fights and when it wasn't there I don't think the full Haku warrior would be there either. He seems to get legitimately triggered by rude behavior or what he perceives as being unfair treatment of someone. In those moments he knows no fear, only determination. I think he will always be that guy no matter how old he gets. My Grandfather was like that. Had 20% of his lung capacity, due to emphysema and asbestosis, and when he woke up in the ICU and found out he was there because a doctor had given him a medicine with the potential side effect, "may cause shortness of breath", he got up out of his hospital bed and went after that doctor. Said he was trying to kill him before he could kill anyone else.
Exactly. You want to talk about tough. Fedor got dropped directly onto his head and neck by D1 wrestler and genetic freak Kevin Randleman and wasn't even phased by it. These Haku stories have gotten way out of hand. Beating up drunk bums in bars doesn't mean you could deal with highly trained professional fighters. None of the fans who talk about what a badass he was have ever even seen him fight and just go off the stories told by other pro wrestlers. I'm sure they are real reliable, LOL.
@@TobiasSmith-u9b omg that Randleman and Fedor suplex was INSANITY lol.. these guys and gals have never fought and think muscles mean your a bada$$ or if you can beat up drunks , that means you can beat up MMA fighters lol. NOT HAPPENING , just look at CM PUNK. He’s tough and is rolling in jiu jitsu but got SMASHED by a mid card guy. This game is DEADLY not just entertainment
Eye gouging biting, grabbing balls, breaking fingers, grabbing the throat, etc. are very real, and stuff like that is why nobody though of grappling as the main way of fighting before the UFC. So it becomes about brute strength, size, athleticism, balance, and and hands, as everyone's intuitively knew before they were brainwashed by the Gracies. That being said, he might not have dominated MMA, though, if he somehow lacked some grappling skill. Seems like his hands were fast enough, we know he could kick, and I can't imaging him having a weak chin. Modern heavyweight division doesn't seem to be about submission skill as much anymore and is reverting back to size, strength, athleticism and hand speed again, as everyone's gotten pretty good at sub defense and the grappling pace isn't frenetic enough at that size for a bunch of sub openings to come up. Guys still get subbed, but it's usually because they're gassed or being physically overwhelmed rather than people getting Noguiera or Frank Mir type slick stuff.
I know Haku was a sumo plus he knew some martial arts. I disagree with this dude. Tank Abbott was a street fighter, and he is a former UFC champion. Not saying Haku could beat Tank Abbott, but also not saying he couldn't beat Tank Abbott. Bart Vale even won a fight in mixed martial arts and I think Haku could take Bart Vale
Haku woud get his ass kicked by a lighteeight. Lets get fucking real. Though PRO wrestlers aint shit in a real fight against a mma fighter. For the love of fucking god
Ken Shamrock, Dan Severn, Josh Barnett, Chael Sonnen, Brock Lesnar, Bobby Lashley, Kazushi Sakuraba, Kiyoshi Tamura, Masakatsu Funaki, Kazuyuki Fujita, Volk Han all done Pro Wrestling before MMA. With a background in freestyle wrestling / greco roman wrestling or/and catch wrestling training Pro Wrestlers can do very well in MMA. Need also to remember old timers Farmer Burns, Ad Santel, Ed Lewis, Joe Stecher, John Pesek, Peter Sauer, Wladek Zbyzsko, Euclydes Hatem, Gene Lebell, Karl Gotch, Billy Robinson who made a major impact on grappling and MMA in general way before it was even born
Barnett is being nice in other words just because Haku can beat up joe schmo at the bar doesn't mean he can beat a pro fighter or any one with semi decent skills.
Point number one - MMA skills do not often fail in the street. Bullshit statement. Point number two - You, like all the Haku fanboys, are making these huge statements about him being an unstoppable street fighter because he was known for beating up big-mouth, drunk idiots in bars. None of you have even seen it, but you believe the stories spun by other pro wrestlers. Cause, you know, those guys would never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
@@Winxodds Tank was a real street fighter who had an amateur wrestling background. I reckon if Haku would have gotten into a fight with him in a bar, Haku would have ended up looking about the same as John Matua did.
@@TobiasSmith-u9b I have grave doubts that Abbot was anywhere near the great street fighter he claims to be,all there is to go on is a highly questionable legend beginning with him saying he has been in 200 street fights let alone 100 which is just not plausible. It doesn’t matter what bad neighbourhoods you are in,you aren’t getting in that many fights unless you go looking for it and you are picking ur targets and situation. Sounds like he was picking blokes he saw as thinking they were good cos they were actually in good shape and were having a good time with friends and he wanted to make a tough image for himself,he had terrible hands just look at the Matua KO,who was actually a big slob in a tshirt won 1 fight out of about 6 and was stopped every other time. At the very least Haku was a lot more athletic and in shape than Matua,could move throw kicks and wrestle but i’m not under the illusion he was any great street fighter either no doubt he would be most average men but that doesn’t make him a real tough street fighter,if you have to go to the point of what his much vaunted storey says of ripping eyeballs out🤣 how great could he actually be? if anyone is that good they don’t need to go to that level they end it quick with punches.
Josh Barnetts real opinion starts after the 3 min mark! He says……. “Haku would of been TERROR back in the day” “We all know you were a badass” “You wouldn’t wanna fight him again” “It would be impressive to see if you can find him being dominantly beaten, I just don’t see it” “He’s the guy you avoid on the come up, this would be way too much effort no matter what, you don’t get out of this without getting hurt some how if you even get the win” “He’s crazy tough and hell to deal with, you don’t get away without leaving hurt somehow, if he didn’t already hurt you and take you out” That’s enough for me, along with son Frye calling him a scary human being and a frightening person.
Haku is brawler and a street fighter. Ask Josh how many MMA fighters would ,stand a chance with against Haku in a street fight. Haku was ready to do the unthinkable to win.
You are tripping, Haku wouldn't stand a chance against a trained fighter lmao. Just see how far Tank Abbott got in MMA and that guy was a true brawler. He lost against every good fighter that he fought lol. Shit let's see if Haku can sprawl one of the Steiner's or Lesnar's takedowns or get out of mount or back mount positions lol
@carlosdisla4920 You are talking about RULES . I don't care how skilled you think somebody is.Lesnar would go down ,just like any another man ,If you took this eyes Bit off his nose ,try to detached his balls. Bit into his jugular vein. Fuck with a man who has no boundaries and live by no rules. And see where that referee fighting will get you .
@@Halbared You still cannot put him against a Division 1 wrestler or a professional MMA fighter since they will beat the crap out of him. He may beat up regular guys or non fighting guys (pro wrestlers) but it's dumb to say that he has any chance against a high level practitioner of any of the martial arts that do work.
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Barnett is worth listening to. He's seen A LOT MMA in his days. It's nice to hear his opinion on Haku.
Calling Josh Barnett an expert is a understatement. Literally one of the best ever in his weight class. Resume is held down by drug suspensions limiting available fights
As Bas Rutten said "you think you are the only one who can poke eyes, bite and kick the balls, well i can do that too only better".
FINALLY someone with a realistic perspective. Ask a wrestler and they give ridiculous answers. Haku would indeed be terror but not a world beater like a Fedor.
Exactly!!!
he's a world beater until Haku bites his nose off
@emilyanderson9559 How would he even get past his strikes to get that close?
Even in grappling range - Fedor could ALSO bite - and being the better grappler means he would be the one in the better, more dominant position to actually employ that tactic (same with eye gouging).
I'm not even saying Haku wasn't tough (compared to the average drunk in bar) - but that's the only guys he ever fought. Fedor beat elite, world champion, professional fighters... he didn't just bite drunks in bars. Now imagine if Fedor ALSO wanted to bite and eye gouge!
@@LS-fd6tl lol Haku was a world. Tag Team champion with Andre the giant I hardly think this guy is a better grappler..
@emilyanderson9559 😂😂😂
I wish Josh Barnett would put out an online school of catch wrestling. It’d be a great way for the art to be preserved.
just watch Bloodsport 3. It has Erik Paulson..
Jon Strickland, Gokor Chivichyan, teach American lineage catch wrestling, which is very effective and almost identical to modern grappling. Tony Cecchine Lost Art of Hooking is an incredible resource as well
There is quite a bit of Josh's material out there already.
You can find a few things online from him, Billy Robinson, and Lou Thez if you're looking specifically for catch wrestling.
There are a lot of folks working to keep Catch going. Josh is only one of them.
Barnett called Meng a total badass and complimented him huge but if he doesn’t say that Meng would have been the undefeated heavyweight GOAT then everyone in the comments gets butthurt. You guys know wrestlers are always “working” right? They make their stories sound larger than life, it’s part of the job, even Meng fight stories.
no dude meng was that tough end of
People will believe anything without actual proof
Uh no Meng is known to have always been a guy you want on your side. Has jack to do w working, he just is a guy you want in your side in a fight. Doesn’t mean he would be a MMA champ either but it would be a fun time fighting him.
Kimbo Slice would be a good comparison of someone who had a reputation before going into MMA, though you got to see alot of his fights, of course. Personally, I prefer it the way it is, with the legend/myth of Haku. I'm pretty sure he would of had some losses, if he was in MMA.
You must be a real loser @@fpvDRE
This guy's balance is elite
Barnett and his cousin Brock should form a tag team or Stable.
I met Josh in a bar called Bourban St., long ago in downtown fullerton, and that man is cool af. Chill as hell & humble.
Barnett is theee most knowledgeable fighter when talking fights/mma. I would love to see Him next to Rogan or in place of Rogan commenting on fights in the ufc
And uncle Cheal.
@@EDsavant Chael is laughable
Fair assessment
The question is what could Haku/Meng have done in MMA had it been around when he was young and if he had started training for it as a teenager and if he had hooked up with a good MMA training camp and done it full time. Would he have been a champion?
There's too much conjecture required to come to an accurate conclusion.
Most able bodied men could become champ under those circumstances lol….
@@Mega97635 It takes a gifted athlete to become a champion.
@@libertarianrevolution7026 we’ve seen plenty of cases where a less gifted athlete beat a much more athletic fighter by skill alone, despite being slower and less powerful, even for the belt.
Strickland vs Adesanya is what comes to mind most recently.
@@Mega97635 There are a lot of factors in who wins a fight, but a person has to be a high level athlete to even be a title contender.
Like when Cain tore 2 rotator cuffs beating Lesnar. Some guys are so tough you have to hurt yourself to hurt them. Scary.
people overrate Lesnar bigtime as an elite fighter. i remember watching him backing up scared as hell whilst getting outpunched by Couture who was in his mid-40's and realistically was a LHW
Cain is tougher than Brock hands down. He was injury prone. He beat Brock pretty effortlessly. Don’t know if you actually watched the fight
@@michaelhauser6440 watch the entire fight multiple times. Not once did I claim in my statement that Brock was tougher than cain. You’re a fucking idiot.
@ilcarcerieredimauri79 backing up scared is just an ignorant comment from an ignorant person. Backing up as a mean of defense is more like it . Lmao at your ignorance
@@tdozzy991 i guess him literally running away from Carwin was a defensive technique as well in your eyes 😂
i think you need to go back and watch those 2 fights again because you clearly don't remember what happened in them very well....
"lmao at your ignorance" who even writes shit like this ? you sound like an 11 yr old girl on her first period 😆
Haku VS Tank Abbot in their primes 👍🏼
Haku beat up unskilled untrained bar room drunks. He woulda been as about as good as Tank Abbot. Get butthurt all yall want but thats a fact.
Tank was an NJCAA all american wrestler who had some boxing experience. Tank had skills and experience that translated to MMA.
@@stevejamieson8468its easy for OP to type all that out because he’s too deep in Haku’s crotch. These people get wet over the stories they hear from drug addicts and drunks
Very different profiles. And saying someone can't do something because he didn't do it is just as unconvincing as saying someone can do something that they haven't been shown to do
@@njldst2007 This is the most retarded thing ive ever read. Congrats.
Well Don Fry said Haku was a scary human being & frieghtning. That is good enough for me.
Never doubt the king haku👑🦬
I think King Haku would have adapted to the styles very quickly
Thank you josh!
I'm sure Haku could get the odd win in an early UFC/Vale Tudo fight, but by his late 30's when it came around he was not in shape like guys like Dan Severn and Craig Pittman (Who competed in Vale Tudo while under contract with WCW) Were who competed and were around the same age as Haku. From UFC 1-4 I believe he could have beaten guys like Zane Frazier, Art Jimmerson, Robert Lucarelli, Ron van Clief, Joe Son, David Levicki, Fred Ettish, Scott Morris etc
I agree. Frazier had decent striking for an early fighter, but Haku would probably win if he was smart enough to take it to the ground, where he'd probably do GnP.
However, no matter how tough you are, it won't help if you get caught in a submission, which guys like Royce Gracie and Ken Shamrock might have done to him. Severn would've been tough with his wrestling. So would a young Tank Abbott, who was also very strong (like Haku) and was an All-American junior college wrestler, had a bit of boxing training and an experienced street fighter like Haku. Kimo would've been interesting as well.
Dan Severn is a year older than Haku and wasn’t fast or athletic. He could wrestle and was probably strong but so was Haku. Haku could still move fast and fly around in the ring when he came back to WWF in 2001 so he definitely would’ve been just fine in the 90’s
@@michaelhauser6440 Dan Severn wasn't athletic? Maybe you should look up his amateur wrestling accomplishments. Also in the mid 90's Haku wasn't at all, he was a lot slower and out of shape compared to what he was in the 80's. Severn clearly moves better and seems younger than Haku if you compare them wrestling in the 90's.
@@johnp7739 Frazier's striking was decent but he would get sloppy and just somehow lose fights that he shouldn't. He should have never lost Cal Worsham who got his lung punctured from one kick from Frazier yet then Cal took him down and pounded him out! I remember seeing one fight where Frazier fought a guy he had 60+ pounds on, Frazier takes him down then gets beat due to ground and pound 🙄
No shame in his loss to Kevin Rosier though as that was an absolute war.
You are right on point.
If Ming would have fought in the original UFC he would have been clueless what to do with BJJ just like everyone else..
No he wouldn't have. He literally trained in Judo in Japan as a teenager.
This is the answer that nobody wants to admit is right.
@@wolf7el356He was sent to Japan by the king of Tonga to learn Sumo, but trained in Judo, Jujutsu, Tae Kwon Do Too Because, as he says "Bruce Lee was the man, we all, like EVERYBODY, wanted to be like him"
Wow! He did something as a teen briefly.
Incredible! Christoph lenninger was in early ufc.
What did Haku accomplish in judo.
Compared to lenninger. Would meng impose his incredible teen judo classes in everyone?
What was his judo record.
You’re living a karate kid fantasy man.
“ he played basketball football baseball soccer as a kid “
He’s the world’s greatest athlete.
@@oldironsides4107 You're very unintelligent. Very.
Barnett's word means something too, so I'd say it's a fair analysis at best.
Awesome.
Fair analysis sucks! Huh-Huh-HuhHuh, you just said anal! Huh-Huh-Huh!!! Yeah, you sure did! Heh-Heh-Hehheh-Heh-Heh!
Good answer...I think he was reasonable in his assessment.
"Haku is that guy." There ya go.
Haku was Japan’s catch As Catch can experiment, his early match with Bruiser Brody was filled with Yakuza , watching their prodigy vs the legend
Btw i just hate it when someone is known for knocking people out, whem In actuality its smaller guys, older guys, drunk guys and people who arent good fighters that these "knockout artists" are defeating
Like Tank Abbott
When Vader don't want to try you that says enough for me. Don't you think legit tough guys tried haku just to see. Ask Don fry. He said he is a scary individual, but a super nice guy.
@@JefferyAshmore Why would you think Vader a big obese wrestler would think he could fight unless you think being big and somewhat athletic means you can fight,I have no doubt Haku could beat a shitload of everyday blokes but if you are beating up guys that are being annoying in the pub or trying you out doesn’t really mean they are tough.Fry knows the wrestling game he knows it’s great for their image if they have a seemingly legit tough guy,he himself hardly beat a guy standing apart from the one that stood right in front of him the guys back then had rudimentary stand up so easier to take it to the ground with no stand up threat.
What if Barnett was able to get Kazushi Sakuraba and Kiyoshi Tamura on the mats for Bloodsport?
What if Mars was your toothbrush and Jupiter was your ... uh ... comb??? How does that Office joke go again!??????????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@YearZeroNIN That wouldn't be nearly as cool as Saku and Tamura in Bloodsport though.
FUCKIN SLAYER!!!!!!🤘
It was a fair answer, there's no telling if haku would had the conditioning, etc vs " I'm hugging this guys nuts cause my pro wrestler is bad ass yo".
Haku, at the absolute best, would be a Scott Ferrozo type. He didn't have an extensive amateur wrestling pedigree, which you needed unless you had a serious BJJ/catch/judo background. A guy like Tank Abbot, who was a decorated wrestler and had lots of boxing experience, would murk him. Prime Shamrock would eviscerate him. And Brock would take his life. Haku wasn't a real fight. People need to STOP THE CAP and become grown ups, admit Santa isn't real and that Haku ISNT a fighter.
@@mikerelva6915 Interesting names you mentioned, considering Tank, Shamrock and other MMA fighters experienced with the world of Pro Wrestling like friggin Don Frye of all people have talked about how they consider Meng/Haku to have legit fight ability
@@mikerelva6915Tank Abbott was always garbage.
@@mikerelva6915 Wrestlers who know both men say that Haku would beat Brock, no question. I'll take their word over anyone else's.
@fredfred4086 LMAO what a joke 😂. Haku would lose to Mighty Mouse. People that say Haku would win know NOTHING about fighting. They are like children that think their Dad is the toughest guy in the world.
Josh is a smart man, i know haku very personally and what Josh says is true about hakus fighting abilities. As a man, hakus is the best ! Sign Bobby B.
Bobby B. sucks. Whoever that is. Yeah! It's like: Bobby B sucks! Yeah! Huh-Huh-Huhhuh-Huh!!!
Meng used to bar room fight..big difference than both
Every story I have heard about Haku's fights is about his willingness to gouge guys eyes. That makes him mentally unstable, not skilled. Beating up nonathletic drunk guys in a bar that are weaker than you doesn't make you skilled either.
Thank you! I get so tired of hearing people act as if this dude was so unbeatable. Especially when compared to modern-day professional mma fighters.
Wearing venetian crow masks makes you gay.
You're so tired of it because you've never actually been tough in life. Go ask dad for a cigarette and forget about it.
@@corykobe3769 🤣😂 and you know this how?? I'm sure you're the epitome of toughness. 🤣
Aka a bitch move
This is a BS answer. It’s a hypothetical… why would we assume he isn’t doing it full time or that he couldn’t train in whatever he needed to? Hard to say exactly how it would have worked out but he was light years better than the early ufc guys - biggerc stronger, more flexible and much faster than say… Kimo. Many top mma guys came from pro wrestling in Japan. I think a young haku could have made a great fighter. I don’t know exactly how good. I think with his athleticism, strength, quickeness and good flexibility he’d have picked up bjj very fast.
He was trying to be respectful. Haku is known to be a badass because of bar fights with drunk morons. Barnett didn't want to disrespect the legend of Haku, but he wanted to give a honest answer as well. I thought he was pretty diplomatic.
Not a bs answer at all
Josh has been there and done it he's a legitimate badass while haku never competed in MMA so no one knows how good haku would have been
He was being nice haku has a reputation for beating up bar drunks. How can anyone make a judgement based on never seeing him fight.
Kimo was very fast, very strong, in better shape and a better amateur wrestler than Haku. Kimo would have wrecked Haku in the 90's.
Let me tell you I have strength and in jiu jitsu they tell me to ease it on muscle and mainly use techniques and I roll with some big guys and are tough as hell major respect to them guys around the world and It would be hell and haku is a person I would want next to my side in a match or on the street
I wonder what Haku would look like at 265 lbs in his prime ? ( UFC Heavyweight limit )
i dont know can you do the throught rip choke in mma
No nor eye gouges
Haku could have atleast in his prime pull a split decision with Rousey or Phillip Brooks .
Make jokes. You just don't appreciate CM Punk's contributions to MMA.
Not if phil sucker punched him like he always does.
😂😂😂
@@Doomzdayxx well after I saw Bill Mulkey go into a shoot mode with Road Warrior Hawk after a potato,
After that day at the old Turner studio , Nothing is impossible for them little guys , after what Mulkey did with hawk ,
He made me start believing in Santa Claus again
@@billxmas889 haha
One of my comments here was deleted/removed, so I will try again in a nicer way.
First off, skimming through these comments, you get the feeling many of them are being written by one user with multiple UA-cam usernames. You can tell by how similar/repetitive many of these comments are. It's obvious. Why would this one person do that? Seems to be a trend on a lot of these pro wrestling oriented video clips. They feel insulted and feel they need to reinforce a point with multiple fake usernames/profiles. Really? That's sad.
Secondly, let's get realistic. Haku was (and probably can still fight, to an extent, today) a 100% legit street fighter who fights for his life, not to try to show off in front of misguided UFC fans. If Haku was in his 20's right now, he would dominate whatever weight class they put him in. He would be Champion of whatever weight class. Haku could crush people 300+ pounds. In a real fight, weight class means nothing. In a real fight, you can't tap out; you fight until one is unconscious. Haku would inflict so much damage that UFC would have to call paramedics to take Haku's fallen opponent to the hospital OR at the very least Haku's opponent would require unprecedented surgical repair in a hospital. The type of damage no UFC fighter in history has ever inflicted or endured. No UFC fighter (or other companies like UFC) is a master. In UFC/MMA history, there has never been a true assassin, a true killer. Haku, however, is a true master, a true assassin, a true killer. Haku may never admit it (because a true master doesn't brag or reveal the skills/techniques he has), but he is a master trained in a variety of fighting disciplines such as: Aikido, real Martial Arts striking, submission techniques. The Tongan Death Grip, for instance, is something no amateur (yes, all UFC fighters are amateurs) can prepare for. The Tongan Death Grip is probably illegal in UFC. The only way Haku would ever lose to an amateur UFC figther is if he disqualifies himself by using outlawed submission techniques or excessively attacks (UFC actually has a list of illegal places you can not strike on the body). Headbutting is probably illegal. Well, in a real pro martial arts fight, you can strike anywhere on the body (including places like the groin or spine or eyes or ears or back of the head). In fact, UFC is so weak that an amateur like Brock Lesnar joined and became a Champion. UFC fighters are incredibly overrated. If they ever allowed a killer assassin to join, such as Haku or Dan Spivey (rumors are Spivey not only had a boxing background but was some kind of hitman or debt collector before he joined pro wrestling), you would see what a real master can do and how outclassed every UFC fighter in its history would be. I don't know if there's some secret master out there who trained killers like Haku or Dan Spivey, but they have been trained to win fights fast in 30 seconds AND inflict incredible damage (such as facial bones sticking out of face after being struck with just a few strikes). No UFC amateur has ever been able to inflict this kind of damage. If these UFC fighters can't do this, they should at least try to master lock-and-hold Aikido techniques. Another good example is Badd Karma from Fight Zone (back in the 90's). He was another master who would obliterate any fighter in UFC history. Obviously he was a master of many disciplines but his Aikido mastery allowed him to defend against any opponent (no matter what weight class).
Never underestimate what a real master can do. Many UFC fighters spend 80% of the match grappling on the ground. Well, for example, a UFC fighter who tries to take down someone like Dan Spivey to the ground to wrestle will immediately get his face punched off forcing the ref to call the fight as TKO victory for Spivey.
Think Kimbo Slice. Plus Haku legend is all no holds barred fighting. MMA has rules now. Can’t bite off someone nose.
I dont know why people are saying haku wouldnt have made it in the ufc from all the stories i hear he sounds like an untrained jon jones and that type of viciousness will get you a win no matter what type of combat you choose to pursue
People ignore Haku was trained not only in Sumu but several different martial arts. He standing still could kick guys over 7 feet in the face with perfect balance. Also no one in MMA was close to being as strong as he was.
Acvording to numerous stories, its not just strength and training that made Haku dangerous, he had INSANE natural strength. Look up Bobby Heenan explain watching Haku pull a guys bottom teeth out with his fingers. With his FINGERS! Thats not normal strength.
He also threw a cop about the size of Bob Sapp across a room. The cop - an ex NFL footballer - said he had never encountered anyone as strong as Haku.
No holds barred. Pulling out eyes and biting noses.
The trained mma fighter could ALSO eye gouge and bite if those are the rules you want to play! The only difference is the trained fighter would have the advantage in positioning
Don't forget pulling out teeth like Haku did once.
So many teenagers on here. He just gave a honest assessment.
I have done awful things in fights like push fingers into eye sockets, almost biting through man’s neck, but I have no fantasy to hold my own with professional MMA fighters.
Remember he biting some drunk dude nose. Also, how wasn’t there charges filled against him?
There were charges filed against him several times. He lost quite a bit of money lol
It is a fair assessment. Josh is super knowledgeable. Do some research on Haku, pretty much all knowledgeable people - wrestlers, streetfighters, bare knuckle boxers, rate Haku as one of the toughest of all time. He was a highly trained fighter, had insane strength, and a killer mentality.
Polynesians are built different with crazy heart
Hawaiians, Samoans, Tongan, Tahitian, Maori
While having heart is great it alone won't win a fight
Indeed, as John Matua learned against Tank Abbott.
They seem like pssies to me. Look at the usos. I remember one called me a howlie in hawaii and i called him a go0o0ok. LOL he didnt do shhtt., just cowered and walked away
@@cliffburton-jy6iqit goes a long way
@@s1r155 it sure does but i stand on what i said
This is probably the most reasoned analysis of Haku's legit credentials and potential that I've ever seen. You've got two camps when it comes to Haku - the old-timers who claim he was the toughest man alive but only have a bunch of stories of bar-room brawls and cops with mace and handcuffs etc. and then the n00bs who totally discredit him because he never fought in the Octagon so therefore he must've been a pussy with zero fighting skill. Barnett is better than anyone in either camp.
Fair comment. I still think Haku is tougher than most people understand.
Of course this is fighting with rules id rather see him fight him no holds barred
Haku would have been a slightly stronger version of mark hunt, so he would have done fairly well.
No holds bared Haku would have not cared about jujitsu. Anymore, than a M1 tank cares about an Ivy hedge.
All signature moves of Meng like eye gouging and biting were illegal even in the early days of UFC, so speculations that he would have been some great fighter have no background whatsoever
And even though those things were illegal, it doesn't mean some of the early guys didn't try it. Gerard Gordeau bit Royce Gracie in UFC 1 during their match and the only thing it got him was that Royce held the rear naked choke far after Gerard tapped to punish him for his behavior.
haku would be along the lines of a mark hunt imo. some exciting ko's, but also tapping out a bunch. barnett wants to honor the reputation of pro wrestling circles, while also be frank & honest, i respect that
Mark Hunt is a fair comparison - both extremely strong men. I think Haku would have better wrestling skills.
@@fredfred4086 yeah you're right, haku has a sumo background so he'd definitely be supreme on his feet anyway
prime Haku vs prime Barnett would of been like sending a lamb to the slaughter for Haku you don’t realise the levels of trained world class fighters like JB were/are at
Barnett is one of the baddest humans to ever walk the earth. Haku is one of the baddest dudes at a bar in a town of 10 k
I reckon Haku would have been very difficult to deal with in his prime had he trained for MMA. His toughness. We will never know. One thing I do know is that he would fear no man in a fight - MMA or not. Because he is not only tough but crazy. We heard the stories of him taking on multiple people and multiple cops; he just did not care.
@@changthao4875they go crazy over stories off drunks and drug abusers
That's Josh?!?
After he bites off the first nose or plucked out an eye, , he would have been disqualified.
Eye gouging & biting were a $1,000 fine made payable to your opponent in the early UFCs. It wasn't a DQ.
@@davidhannah7691 yeah like a little nibble, but not actually biting a part of your oponent off, like They say Haku did.
Utterly ridiculous. Haku can beat up 6 grizzly bears at once.
A young Haku would have owned MMA
Haku versus Kimo would have been a good fight.
Kimo got wrecked by Royce Gracie who had no striking ability at all. He would’ve got wrecked by Haku as well
Kimo didn’t get wrecked at all. Royce had to result to hair pulling in that fight. The reason Royce had to bow out, of that tournament, was due to the beating Kimo put on him.
Haku vs Tank Abbot
@@markn3936 DAMN!!! 😲 😳
@@markn3936 Tank would get tanked
Meng had professional training. I know he did sumo and another discipline or two as well and was very good. He had a black belt.
2 sumo went into the ufc and were brutally koed. Doesn't work for mma.
cant recognize josh now , used to watch him on pride fc
Sport fighting is a learn as you go some learn as they advance others don't learn much that's the difference between a great fighter and a great champion great fighters don't always become great champions some never win or get a title shot and when it comes to fighting styles they are all over rated it's how you use what you learn not what you know Haku would have been great but we'll never truly know.
Steiner brothers said "we thought we were tough until we met haku". Don Frye said Haku is a real deal. Hakus best feats are pretty much immune to pain and very strong while being agile. He could easily kick the head of"giants" like big show and Andre.
Wrestling nerds think haku is ufc level are exactly that. Nerds
Hey sissy boy, call haku a nerd to his face !
There are still people out there that believe with all their hearts Harley Race would beat Dan Severn and Brock Lesnar.
It's a testament to the power of kayfabe more than anything I think.
Haku fought marines too, he also fought police officers. Those guys have some form of training
I hope for u Haku dosnt read ur comments
I heard he can't read, thank goodness
Not trying to sound disrespectful, but how much does Josh Barnett know about Haku? I mean, does he actually know him, or is he a little more knowledgeable about Haku's fighting ability than, say, me? I've heard some of the stories, I can see that he's a big, strong, guy, but unlike Barnett, I'm not an mma expert.
Haku is known for mutilating drunk jackasses in bar fights. We have no idea how he'd do against another trained fighter.
Barnett worked in New Japan when his kids were there so he likely has met Haku
@@kevthegoat8774 I see.
@@MikeHart72 Haku is a legend at fighting drunk people in the bars at 2am
@@MikeHart72 I mean, to be fair, I acknowledged that.
Barnett went 35-1 before he started to losing. he would have smoked haku
I see Mark Hunt so that says a lot as far as what a young Haku could have been as a MMA fighter.
Haku had great kicks and was very agile for a man his size, extremely strong like hunt. I think he would have done well.
Haku was a trained sumo wrestler
Ming is trained in some martial art from his native land plus big a strong a can wrestle!oh and tougher than a coffin nail…
I clicked on this. :D
Haku was offered UFC early on. I think he would have domineered for a good few years. The total package of speed, skills, strength and durability. But he stuck with WCW.
😂 he would’ve done no such thing ! Shamrock , Goodrich , Coleman and Fry would’ve smashed him. Gracie would’ve choked him or broke his arm. Y’all gotta stop building up these wrestler “legends” lol
Hakus realm is TOTAL NO HOLDS BARRED.
Where you can gouge eyes, bite ears and noses, and attack the throat, Haku would reign supreme
Every Haku fight story I've heard revolves around someone disrespecting someone and Haku standing up for himself or someone else. That set up isn't always there in professional fights and when it wasn't there I don't think the full Haku warrior would be there either. He seems to get legitimately triggered by rude behavior or what he perceives as being unfair treatment of someone. In those moments he knows no fear, only determination. I think he will always be that guy no matter how old he gets. My Grandfather was like that. Had 20% of his lung capacity, due to emphysema and asbestosis, and when he woke up in the ICU and found out he was there because a doctor had given him a medicine with the potential side effect, "may cause shortness of breath", he got up out of his hospital bed and went after that doctor. Said he was trying to kill him before he could kill anyone else.
Lol Haku was a tough guy for non fighters… Prime Fedor , Shamrock , Tank, Randleman and Barnett would have LITERALLY killed that little man
Exactly. You want to talk about tough. Fedor got dropped directly onto his head and neck by D1 wrestler and genetic freak Kevin Randleman and wasn't even phased by it. These Haku stories have gotten way out of hand. Beating up drunk bums in bars doesn't mean you could deal with highly trained professional fighters. None of the fans who talk about what a badass he was have ever even seen him fight and just go off the stories told by other pro wrestlers. I'm sure they are real reliable, LOL.
@@TobiasSmith-u9b omg that Randleman and Fedor suplex was INSANITY lol.. these guys and gals have never fought and think muscles mean your a bada$$ or if you can beat up drunks , that means you can beat up MMA fighters lol. NOT HAPPENING , just look at CM PUNK. He’s tough and is rolling in jiu jitsu but got SMASHED by a mid card guy. This game is DEADLY not just entertainment
@@TobiasSmith-u9bthey get wet over the stories it’s insane
Little man? Lol
@@chadwhitfield6946 Wittle meng OlO
Eye gouging biting, grabbing balls, breaking fingers, grabbing the throat, etc. are very real, and stuff like that is why nobody though of grappling as the main way of fighting before the UFC. So it becomes about brute strength, size, athleticism, balance, and and hands, as everyone's intuitively knew before they were brainwashed by the Gracies. That being said, he might not have dominated MMA, though, if he somehow lacked some grappling skill. Seems like his hands were fast enough, we know he could kick, and I can't imaging him having a weak chin. Modern heavyweight division doesn't seem to be about submission skill as much anymore and is reverting back to size, strength, athleticism and hand speed again, as everyone's gotten pretty good at sub defense and the grappling pace isn't frenetic enough at that size for a bunch of sub openings to come up. Guys still get subbed, but it's usually because they're gassed or being physically overwhelmed rather than people getting Noguiera or Frank Mir type slick stuff.
Meng couldnt be disciplined, more a no rules. no holds barred. Hes a Streetfighter.
Dude literally trained as a sumo
He was a wild man. How you gonna hold down a wild man, son ?
the grandpa faced assassin
I know Haku was a sumo plus he knew some martial arts. I disagree with this dude. Tank Abbott was a street fighter, and he is a former UFC champion. Not saying Haku could beat Tank Abbott, but also not saying he couldn't beat Tank Abbott. Bart Vale even won a fight in mixed martial arts and I think Haku could take Bart Vale
HAKU...LOL>...SOOO Tough...So minor league in skills....Hes outdated..nop skills just tough, tough for him
Haku woud get his ass kicked by a lighteeight. Lets get fucking real. Though PRO wrestlers aint shit in a real fight against a mma fighter. For the love of fucking god
Ken Shamrock, Dan Severn, Josh Barnett, Chael Sonnen, Brock Lesnar, Bobby Lashley, Kazushi Sakuraba, Kiyoshi Tamura, Masakatsu Funaki, Kazuyuki Fujita, Volk Han all done Pro Wrestling before MMA. With a background in freestyle wrestling / greco roman wrestling or/and catch wrestling training Pro Wrestlers can do very well in MMA. Need also to remember old timers Farmer Burns, Ad Santel, Ed Lewis, Joe Stecher, John Pesek, Peter Sauer, Wladek Zbyzsko, Euclydes Hatem, Gene Lebell, Karl Gotch, Billy Robinson who made a major impact on grappling and MMA in general way before it was even born
Barnett is being nice in other words just because Haku can beat up joe schmo at the bar doesn't mean he can beat a pro fighter or any one with semi decent skills.
Haku could have been a Mark Hunt type guy.
Lol not even close. Mark Hunt was a world class kick boxer. Haku doesn't have near the technical ability to be an amateur
What a dumb discussion.
Thanks for watching
I love how these MMA guys talk like it's real combat, yet MMA skills fail very often on the street.
Point number one - MMA skills do not often fail in the street. Bullshit statement. Point number two - You, like all the Haku fanboys, are making these huge statements about him being an unstoppable street fighter because he was known for beating up big-mouth, drunk idiots in bars. None of you have even seen it, but you believe the stories spun by other pro wrestlers. Cause, you know, those guys would never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
@@TobiasSmith-u9b👏🏻 I reckon Tank is the same
@@Winxodds Tank was a real street fighter who had an amateur wrestling background. I reckon if Haku would have gotten into a fight with him in a bar, Haku would have ended up looking about the same as John Matua did.
@@TobiasSmith-u9blook at the comments they don’t think about the background. They don’t really put much thought into it really
@@TobiasSmith-u9b I have grave doubts that Abbot was anywhere near the great street fighter he claims to be,all there is to go on is a highly questionable legend beginning with him saying he has been in 200 street fights let alone 100 which is just not plausible.
It doesn’t matter what bad neighbourhoods you are in,you aren’t getting in that many fights unless you go looking for it and you are picking ur targets and situation.
Sounds like he was picking blokes he saw as thinking they were good cos they were actually in good shape and were having a good time with friends and he wanted to make a tough image for himself,he had terrible hands just look at the Matua KO,who was actually a big slob in a tshirt won 1 fight out of about 6 and was stopped every other time.
At the very least Haku was a lot more athletic and in shape than Matua,could move throw kicks and wrestle but i’m not under the illusion he was any great street fighter either no doubt he would be most average men but that doesn’t make him a real tough street fighter,if you have to go to the point of what his much vaunted storey says of ripping eyeballs out🤣 how great could he actually be? if anyone is that good they don’t need to go to that level they end it quick with punches.
Josh Barnetts real opinion starts after the 3 min mark! He says…….
“Haku would of been TERROR back in the day”
“We all know you were a badass”
“You wouldn’t wanna fight him again”
“It would be impressive to see if you can find him being dominantly beaten, I just don’t see it”
“He’s the guy you avoid on the come up, this would be way too much effort no matter what, you don’t get out of this without getting hurt some how if you even get the win”
“He’s crazy tough and hell to deal with, you don’t get away without leaving hurt somehow, if he didn’t already hurt you and take you out”
That’s enough for me, along with son Frye calling him a scary human being and a frightening person.
Uhhhhh, are you, like, trying to be iconic? Huh-Huh-Huhhuh-Huh!!! Being iconic sucks! Yeah, yeah! Heh-Heh-Hehheh-Heh!!!
Haiku wasnt a fighter! The CAP needs to STOP! He would get murdered by 125 lb Mighty Mouse.
Brock Lesner got in the ring and proved he could win at a high level.
Haku is brawler and a street fighter. Ask Josh how many MMA fighters would ,stand a chance with against Haku in a street fight. Haku was ready to do the unthinkable to win.
You are tripping, Haku wouldn't stand a chance against a trained fighter lmao. Just see how far Tank Abbott got in MMA and that guy was a true brawler. He lost against every good fighter that he fought lol. Shit let's see if Haku can sprawl one of the Steiner's or Lesnar's takedowns or get out of mount or back mount positions lol
@carlosdisla4920 You are talking about RULES . I don't care how skilled you think somebody is.Lesnar would go down ,just like any another man ,If you took this eyes Bit off his nose ,try to detached his balls. Bit into his jugular vein. Fuck with a man who has no boundaries and live by no rules. And see where that referee fighting will get you .
@@carlosdisla4920 Haku was trained in submission wrestling and striking.
@@Halbared You still cannot put him against a Division 1 wrestler or a professional MMA fighter since they will beat the crap out of him. He may beat up regular guys or non fighting guys (pro wrestlers) but it's dumb to say that he has any chance against a high level practitioner of any of the martial arts that do work.
@@carlosdisla4920 it’s dumb to ignore the skill set Haku had/has.
Haku would have beaten everyone hands down